September 25, 2007
Another "Beauchamp-related" Vacancy at The New Republic
The first known departure related to the Scott Thomas Beauchamp scandal was assistant to the publisher Robert McG
hee, who was let go by
the New Republic when he leaked
TNR's dirty laundry.
A screen capture posted on mediabistro.com's FishbowlDC seems to indicate that TNR fact-checker and Beauchamp's wife Elspeth Reeve is also no longer with the beleaguered magazine.
Update: Patrick Gavin, who posted the Facebook entry noting that Reeve was no longer at The New Republic, has followed up on his original post, noting that Reeve has indeed left the magazine, but:
...not for any sinister reasons. Her year-long internship had expired and she is currently working as a research assistant for Mike Grunwald.
Reeve's first published story for TNR, "Patriot Act," was published May 3, 2006. Reeve was still on the Masthead in July of 2007, and according to Robert McGee, she was still employed at The New Republic when he was fired July 26 for revealing her marriage to Beauchamp, more than 14 months later.
The New Republic is apparently no better at keeping time than they are checking facts.
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Her name is gone from the Masthead:
http://www.tnr.com/masthead.mhtml
Her name used to be in the middle at Reporter-Researchers.
Posted by: Dusty at September 25, 2007 11:45 AM (1Lzs1)
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TNR sends her name down the memory hole.
Posted by: Ryan Frank at September 25, 2007 04:01 PM (dhMDh)
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Are we sure that she just didn't get divorced from Scott Beauchamp, and change her name from "I'm-with-stupid-Reeves"?
Posted by: Lokki at September 25, 2007 04:07 PM (wSBsc)
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Very interesting. "Frank doesn't want to tell Ellie that her husband's a liar." comes to mind.
There's no "h" in McGee, BTW.
Posted by: Pablo at September 25, 2007 05:45 PM (yTndK)
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Ahem, there's no "h" in my name.
Posted by: Robert McGee at September 25, 2007 05:50 PM (Vgxhz)
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Whoops! Thanks for pointing that out, Pablo.
Posted by: Robert "yes, the" McGee at September 25, 2007 05:51 PM (Vgxhz)
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So you guys
can fact-check after all... I'm flabbergasted.
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at September 26, 2007 12:05 AM (iIUzz)
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If you'd had an editor, that "h" would never have appeared. How typical of you irresponsible bloggers!
Posted by: K T Cat at September 26, 2007 07:08 AM (25tTh)
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"Elspeth Reeve does not work at TNR. Elspeth Reeve has never worked at TNR."
His work for the day well done, Winston Smith sucked down a glass of Victory gin.
Posted by: Patrick Carroll at September 26, 2007 08:26 AM (l27kW)
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She had softly and suddenly vanished away -
For the Snark
was a Beauchamp, you see!
Posted by: Eric Wilner at September 26, 2007 08:55 AM (FBnz8)
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Nice Instalink, CY. I'd question the heads rolling route, though.
Ellie, and Scott, BTW, separately or together, have more than enough for a tell-all book, plus a bunch of interviews. This departure may have been by choice.
We may find out all that went on in the hallways and offices of TNR on this, yet.
Posted by: Dusty at September 26, 2007 10:36 AM (1Lzs1)
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Hmmm.
A "tell all book"??
Other than political maniacs who would care? Who would know? Hell. Who out there actually knows what TNR or The New Republic *is*? And how would they publicize it to a population that doesn't even care now?
"Well Scott Beauchamp was a bit of an asshat so he and his wife, who helped him pass off some idiotic nonsense as if it were true, are now writing a book and effectively passing a hat..."
Would that pique your interest? Frankly I've kept up with this and it would still bore the hell out of me.
Posted by: memomachine at September 26, 2007 12:11 PM (3pvQO)
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Any book written by Beauchamp and Reeve would have to be classified as fiction. Beauchamp has already demonstrated his preference for "fake-but-accurate" storytelling, and Reeve was a "fact-checker" who evidently would not recognize an actual fact if it bit her on the ass. Why would anyone believe a single word written by either of them?
Posted by: Pat at September 26, 2007 12:48 PM (c6S8U)
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Memomachine and Pat, you both miss the point. There is a market for it. It would sell. Not only owuld it sell, if done well (meaning having lots of juicy bits and lots of outrageous claims as well as good marketing of it) it's possible to keep it in the commented on by many, particularly on the Internet, thus pushing up sales.
That it would sell and they might make some good money is the point. Not whether it's fiction or popular or if anyone believes them. Lastly, I am not recommending it or them, I'm just suggesting what might occur based on sound observation of reality.
Posted by: Dusty at September 26, 2007 04:04 PM (1Lzs1)
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This is pretty far fetched, but maybe Scott's warrior sperm knocked her up all the way from Iraq. You know how crazy war makes a man. Scott wrote about it and all.
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 26, 2007 05:03 PM (0pZel)
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For the Snark was a Beauchamp, you see!
Eric Wilner gets my vote for winner of the thread! Bravo, sir.
Posted by: Mary in LA at September 26, 2007 06:57 PM (JYxmy)
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You can only sell a book, IF you can find a publisher. That's the rub.
Posted by: Carol Herman at September 26, 2007 10:01 PM (/iqmM)
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Carol, if Al Franken can find someone to publish him, Beauchamp can.
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September 20, 2007
A Journalistic Farce
Today is the two-month anniversary of Franklin Foer claiming that he and
The New Republic would
run an honest investigation into the claims made in a story written by Scott Thomas Beauchamp:
Several conservative blogs have raised questions about the Diarist "Shock Troops," written by a soldier in Iraq using the pseudonym Scott Thomas. Whenever anybody levels serious accusations against a piece published in our magazine, we take those charges seriously. Indeed, we're in the process of investigating them. I've spoken extensively with the author of the piece and have communicated with other soldiers who witnessed the events described in the diarist. Thus far, these conversations have done nothing to undermine--and much to corroborate--the author's descriptions. I will let you know more after we complete our investigation.
--Franklin Foer
Editor Foer has also argued on July 26 that the article "was rigorously edited and fact-checked before it was published."
Since that time, a few things have happened:
- It has been conclusively proven that The New Republic did not fact-check a claim made in a previous "Scott Thomas" story, even though that claim was an allegation of murder. A simple Google Search would have proven the basis for the claim categorically false on the first two pages of results. It was 30 seconds they didn't take.
- The first claim made in "Shock Troops," was that "Thomas" and a fellow soldier verbally abused a burn victim at Forward Operating Base (FOB) Falcon because combat left them desensitized to basic human decency and dignity. After it was noted that no such woman has ever been at FOB Falcon, the story was changed to another base, in another country, at a time before the unit saw combat. This of course, completely undermines the premise of the claim, and FoerÂ’s claim that the article had been "rigorously edited and fact-checked." As it turns out, both military personnel and civilian contractors at the Kuwaiti base also dispute the story having occurred there, either. They state on the record that no soldier or civilian contractor matching this description has ever been at this base, and that the story is an urban legend or myth. This was told to TNR editor Jason Zengerle. Zengerle never relayed that to the readers of The New Republic. No such woman has ever been found, and yet TNR has yet to have the decency to retract this claim.
- A second claim made in "Shock Troops" by Thomas was that while his unit excavated ground for the creation of a new combat outpost, that the remains of children were uncovered, and one soldier in his unit wore part of a rotting child's skull on his head for amusement. Neither Foer nor any other editor at TNR have been able to substantiate this claim. An official U.S Army investigation that was launched primarily because of this specific claim found no credible evidence for this or the other claims made by "Thomas." Two months later, TNR has not issued a retraction for this claim.
- A third claim made by "Thomas" in "Shock Troops" was that a Bradley armored vehicle driver used the 25-ton tracked vehicle to crush "curbs, concrete barriers, corners of buildings, stands in the market, and his favorite target: dogs." Since this time, every Bradley IFV commander and driver in Alpha Company has refuted this story as part of the military investigation, and Bradley IFV experts, including active duty and retired drivers and commanders, and even the company's spokesman, have stated that the vehicle could not perform the actions described in the story. Once again, Franklin Foer and The New Republic has had two months to substantiate this claim. They have failed, and yet still lack the decency to print a retraction.
The honorable thing to do when a publication cannot substantiate the claims made by one of their writers is to retract the claims made in the disputed article, and all previous articles by the same author where questionable facts cannot be corroborated. There is a simple reason for this: credibility is a publication's only real currency, and if they tarnish their credibility, then the unreliable publication becomes worthless as a news source.
The New York Times realized this when Jayson Blair was caught plagiarizing and fabricating elements of many of his stories. Blair, executive editor Howell Raines, and managing editor Gerald M. Boyd eventually resigned as a result of the fallout of scandal. When Jack Kelly was caught fabricating stories at USA Today, publisher Craig Moon ran an investigation and issued a front-page apology. Editor Karen Jurgensen and News section managing editor Hal Ritter resigned as a result.
But what is occurring at The New Republic seems to far exceed the actions of a single rogue journalist, and instead seem to point to an editorial staff as corrupted as the fabulist they seek to protect.
Unlike the Blair and Kelly scandals, editors from The New Republic seem to be involved in deliberately covering up, shutting down, and stonewalling possible avenues of approach, and are clearly more interested in stifling an investigation that conducting one.
On August 2, The New Republic released "A Statement on Scott Thomas Beauchamp" (Beauchamp had "outed" himself on July 26).
In that statement, the editors of The New Republic had claimed to have interviewed a number of experts that corroborated the claims made in "Shock Troops."
All of Beauchamp's essays were fact-checked before publication. We checked the plausibility of details with experts, contacted a corroborating witness, and pressed the author for further details. But publishing a first-person essay from a war zone requires a measure of faith in the writer. Given what we knew of Beauchamp, personally and professionally, we credited his report. After questions were raised about the veracity of his essay, TNR extensively re-reported Beauchamp's account.
In this process, TNR contacted dozens of people. Editors and staffers spoke numerous times with Beauchamp. We also spoke with current and former soldiers, forensic experts, and other journalists who have covered the war extensively. And we sought assistance from Army Public Affairs officers. Most important, we spoke with five other members of Beauchamp's company, and all corroborated Beauchamp's anecdotes, which they witnessed or, in the case of one solider, heard about contemporaneously. (All of the soldiers we interviewed who had first-hand knowledge of the episodes requested anonymity.)
Tellingly, The New Republic would not divulge the names of the experts they vaguely claimed supported the claims made in "Shock Troops."
One of them was credited by TNR thusly:
TNR contacted the manufacturer of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle System, where a spokesman confirmed that the vehicle is as maneuverable as Beauchamp described.
One week later, that unnamed spokesman was found. After being identified, Doug Coffey of BAE systems revealed that as it related to him, TNR's investigation was a whitewash:
To answer your last question first, yes, I did talk to a young researcher with TNR who only asked general questions about "whether a Bradley could drive through a wall" and "if it was possible for a dog to get caught in the tracks" and general questions about vehicle specifications.
The New Republic had not asked Coffey about the claims made by Beauchamp at all.
Once provided with the claims made in "Shock Troops," Coffey found the claims relating to his companyÂ’s vehicle very hard to believe.
By August 11, unable to corroborate any element of a story they claimed to have "rigorously edited and fact-checked before it was published," the editors of The New Republic went on the offensive, claiming:
...we continue to investigate the anecdotes recounted in the Baghdad Diarist. Unfortunately, our efforts have been severely hampered by the U.S. Army. Although the Army says it has investigated Beauchamp's article and has found it to be false, it has refused our--and others'--requests to share any information or evidence from its investigation. What's more, the Army has rejected our requests to speak to Beauchamp himself, on the grounds that it wants "to protect his privacy."
Like the August 2 story using hidden experts, this claim by the editors of The New Republic was also deceptive.
The Army has a legal obligation not to release the investigation's findings, with confidentiality being Beauchamp's right. Further, it was Beauchamp himself that declined to be interviewed by The New Republic. The Army did not reject TNR, Private Beauchamp rejected The New Republic... and obviously still does today.
By being deceptive and argumentative since the beginning (a tragic flaw of hubris that the magazine also had preceding the Stephen Glass scandal almost a decade prior) of their investigation, The New Republic editorial staff have destroyed their credibility.
They attempted to cover up the fact that they did not fact check BeuchampÂ’s articles prior to publication, and even attempted to cover up the fact that the author was married to a TNR fact-checker. Faced with legitimate questions about the veracity of claims made by their author, the editors instead attacked those raising these questions, while at the same time running a whitewash of an investigation designed to give them rhetorical cover instead of uncovering the facts.
Ultimately, it seems that even the author won't support the articles, and The New Republic is left twisting in the wind, hoping that noone will notice just how naked, exposed, and yes, corrupt they have been over the course of this sordid story.
The editorial staff of The New Republic, led for the last time by Franklin Foer, should retract all three stories penned by Scott Thomas Beauchamp, apologize profusely to the readership of The New Republic for deceiving them for over two months, and resign.
It remains to be seen if they retain that much integrity.
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Thanks for keeping up to date on this.
As far as TNR goes, it appears they're more interested in printing anti-war propaganda than actual facts.
They must believe that at this point to print a retraction will gain them nothing. They did what they set out to do, which is to cast the military in a bad light.
Seems like a pattern, doesn't it? Same tactics as MoveOn.org
Posted by: Deanj at September 20, 2007 09:17 PM (ROS00)
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It seems astonishing that TNR has gotten away with this for so long, but perhaps it's an indication that the magazine really doesn't matter much.
Posted by: NewcombCarlton at September 20, 2007 09:29 PM (ytRXE)
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I canceled my subscription over this, angrily because I love Stanley Kauffmann and Jed Perl, film and art critics, and had subscribed for 25 years.
Needless to say, I am still receiving the magazine in my mailbox and probably am still being counted in their circulation figures.
Posted by: David Clemens at September 20, 2007 09:46 PM (MT7GZ)
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They're in hedgehog mode. If they admit what they know then, as a ritual, heads must roll. Foer's first among them. That means he's out of a job .
It could well be that the present owner are looking for a replacement . Then again perhaps not.
This kind of lag usually means they're hoping it will all blow over and be but a chunk of fading echoes in the blogs. Unless someother large entity such as a cable network, WaPo, or whatever takes it up they're probably safe. After all, there's not really much circulation or money at stake.
Reputation? They don't give a fig.
Posted by: vanderleun at September 20, 2007 09:52 PM (ULUsu)
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Give 'em hell, CY!
It's been fascinating to watch this play out. It's also been something of a turning point for me.
What with this TNR affair, the MoveOn ad, the Hamsher spanking of Elizabeth Edwards, and the complete elbows-high never-give-a-inch defense of the anti-war folks in the blogs, I realize that these people gave up on intellectual integrity quite some time ago.
Posted by: huxley at September 20, 2007 10:42 PM (QHkH+)
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But we all know the usual leftist wiener strategy when caught in a deception, inconsistency or self contradiction (which is almost all the time).
Step 1. Pivot and attack. When that fails...
Step 2. Stonewall for a long time.
Step 3. "You're _still_ talking about that? That's SO in the past. It's time for you to move on. If it makes you feel better, you were right all along. Does that make you feel better? Ha ha, I didn't mean it!
Step 4. When all of the above fails, point your nose in the air, yawn and then sneer. That won't convince a hard nosed conservative, but your leftist friends will applaud. And that's all that counts.
Posted by: Carl Hardwick at September 20, 2007 11:31 PM (27li9)
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The plan here is obvious. Beauchamp will remain silent until he is dischaged, then claim everything he wrote was true and he was threatened with great harm by the Army if he spoke the truth. TNR will run an expose of the Army's treatment of Beauchamp, and Beauchamp will write a book about it.
Posted by: Elliot at September 20, 2007 11:51 PM (Y9JMS)
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Hey, c'mon guys, the story was "fake but accurate" just like Dan Rather's memos. BTW, he still says there's no proof the memos were fake! Then there's the Muslim Mourning Mama that cries at every event in the Arab world, the fictional productions of "attacks" in Palestine that are presented as news footage, faked rocket attacks on ambulances, it's amazing to me that the Lieberals in this country are more concerned with what fits their agenda than the truth. Or is that troof? I'm so confused...
Robert
Posted by: Robert at September 21, 2007 01:09 AM (vrDK+)
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I figured you would call on Franklin Foer to resign, but the entire "editorial staff"? Who, then, would run the magazine (or what's left of it)? The circulation manager?
Posted by: Brian at September 21, 2007 04:41 AM (FIPaC)
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You missed one thing that's happened, Bob:
The magazine fired the individual that leaked the fact that PV-nothin' Beauchump's connection to the magazine was not an arms'-length, due-diligence, professional relationship, but that he was hooked up with one of the mag's fact-checkers.
While they were within their rights to fire this guy, it speaks volumes that they were desperate to conceal this fact. You haven't "reported" or "re-reported" a questionable story very thoroughly if you're determined to keep secret why it was reported in the first place.
As far as Brian's question. "the whole editorial staff?", I'm not sure who's been involved comprehensively, but the Beauchump fabrications have been defended vigorously (and dishonestly) not just by Fabricating Frank Foer, but also by Jason Zengerle and even Marty Peretz. Certainly the stonewall and the fake re-investigation would need approval at all editorial levels to include the publisher.
One more instance of Ben Franklin's prescience, perhaps: this fish rots from the head.
One result in my case: I followed a link from an A-list blogger to an interesting story two days ago, and found myself on TNR. I clicked right back without wasting my time. Until they clean house, they're not trustworthy.
Re: Robert's Dan Rather comparison. The Dan just did it again with a fake but accurate, heh, story on the Boeing 787. I'm sure Peter Arnett is still out their making up war atrocities, too. TNR could hire both and improve its credibility!
Janet Cook's out there somewhere, also. The world is full of replacements for Fabricating Frank.
Posted by: Kevin R.C. 'Hognose' O'Brien at September 21, 2007 07:04 AM (LkeNv)
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That's an amazingly stupid question, Brian.
If the owners of TNR are still interested in running a credible and reputable magazine, they should replace the current editorial staff of frauds and liars with an entirely new staff composed of ethical and honest journalists.
If the owners of TNR are
not still interested in running a credible and reputable magazine, they should admit this fact and shut the damn thing down.
Continuing to run the magazine with the current editorial staff is out of the question, unless the editors announce a change to the tabloid format and start marketing the publication in the checkout lines of grocery stores. I hear that the rack space formerly occupied by the
Weekly World News is available.
Posted by: Pat at September 21, 2007 07:11 AM (0suEp)
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I emailed letters@tnr.com to suggest that they hire Dan Rather.
He makes stuff up--he'd be perfect as a TNR diarist!!
Posted by: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA at September 21, 2007 09:43 AM (ujtAv)
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run -
Web Reconnaissance for 09/21/2007
A short recon of whatÂ’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at September 21, 2007 10:36 AM (gIAM9)
Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 22, 2007 03:53 AM (0jtcT)
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Yeah, and ain't it terrible how Senators Clinton (D-Whitewater), Kerry (D-Cambodia), and Edwards (D-Hairstylist's shop) were fooled by that idiot Dubya? -lol-
Try another blade, Redleg, that one ain't cutting.
Posted by: C-C-G at September 22, 2007 11:50 AM (lo4eE)
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that's it, redleg? your best defense of tnr is that bush and cheney "lied"? i can see the new banner now "we don't lie any more than bush". that should sell well.
how pathetic. and with friends like you, franky et al don't really need any enemies.
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September 18, 2007
Fabulist, Junior?
According to his web page, Scott Thomas Beauchamp and his wife,
The New Republic fact checker Elspeth Reeve, are apparently expecting a child.
The TNR fabulist/Army private has the following posted on his MySpace page:
""SCOTT BEAUCHAMP CLAIMS TO DESIRE THE BABIES OF ELSPETH, HIS SUPPOSED WIFE!""
He includes as his interests "raptors having babies." His wife, TNR fact-checker Elspeth Reeve uses a raptor (a kind of dinosaur) as the avatar for her MySpace page.
Beauchamp first came to light when a story he wrote entitled "Shock Troops," alleging the barbarity of his fellow soldiers, was challenged on July 18 by The Weekly Standard's Michael Goldfarb.
Since that time, the U.S Army has denounced the claims made in "Shock Troops" as fiction, and Franklin Foer, the editor of The New Republic, has failed to release the findings of the magazine's internal investigation into the veracity of the stories.
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Uhhhh.... dunno about the timeframe on this... Just WHEN did she get pregnant? Just what
ISs the timeframe on this? If he's deployed up north, just when the HELL did he get R&R to knock up his bim? Especially since he started as a PFC (E-3) and is now being listed as a PV1 (E-1) which means, at the very least a Article 15 Non-Judicial Punishment which, by the way states:
SUBCHAPTER III. NON-JUDICIAL PUNISHMENT
815. ART. 15. COMMANDING OFFICER'S NON-JUDICIAL PUNISHMENT
(b) Subject to subsection (a) any commanding officer may, in addition to or in lieu of admonition or reprimand, impose one or more of the following disciplinary punishments for minor offenses without the intervention of a court-martial--
(1) upon officers of his command--
(A) restriction to certain specified limits, with or without suspension from duty, for not more that 30 consecutive days;
(B) if imposed by an officer exercising general court-martial jurisdictions or an officer of general flag rank in command--
(i) arrest in quarters for not more than 30 consecutive days;
(ii) forfeiture of not more than one-half of one month's pay per month for two months;
(iii) restriction to certain specified limits, with or without suspension from duty, for not more than 60 consecutive days;
(iv) detention of not more than one-half of one month's pay per month for three months"
There is much more on this... and probably a whole lot more TO this story Bob... but as I said... ANYONE who gets hit with a Alpha One Five as we used to call it usually can forget going on any sort of R&R unless it's to the Stockade we have here on Arifjan.
Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmn...."
Posted by: Big Country at September 18, 2007 11:07 AM (8dJDM)
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She is definitely pregnant! And even if she isn't, we will assume she is until TNR releases a four year investigation into the matter. Because once we claim something, it is up to them to disprove it.
Posted by: Michael Goldfarb at September 18, 2007 12:45 PM (N2o4T)
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Why Michael, you switched magazines? I thought you were with the Weekly Standard.
I'd almost think this was some kind of...
spoof post.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 18, 2007 12:55 PM (1gdFs)
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I appreciate the continuing TNR coverage (holding their feet to the fire and all that) but highlighting details of their private* lives seems petty and pointless.
*even considering you got it off their MySpace pages...
Posted by: Arthur at September 18, 2007 07:40 PM (5J4eX)
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Arthur, I guess that is a matter of personal opinion, and you are indeed welcome to have yours.
I just found it an interesting side story in the much larger and still developing TNR scandal.
As a father myself, I sincerely hope that the pregnancy goes well and smoothly for Elspeth, and that Beauchamp will be home in time to see his child born.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 18, 2007 07:47 PM (HcgFD)
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notwithstanding the crap he pulled, here's wishing the two of them a very healthy baby...
Posted by: stevesturm at September 18, 2007 07:50 PM (XBWtm)
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Two Months In: Franklin Foer, Will You Honor Your Word?
Two months ago today,
Michael Goldfarb challenged the Scott Thomas story "
Shock Troops" posted in the
New Republic, igniting a firestorm of criticism by military personnel and bloggers who found the published claims to be less than credible.
In response to growing doubts from critics and his own readers, Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, stated on July 20:
I've spoken extensively with the author of the piece and have communicated with other soldiers who witnessed the events described in the diarist. Thus far, these conversations have done nothing to undermine--and much to corroborate--the author's descriptions. I will let you know more after we complete our investigation."
Now, almost two months after making that promise and precisely two months after the story was first questioned, Foer has yet to announce the findings of that investigation.
We know that Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the author of the three stories Foer ran in The New Republic, had a chance to speak with The New Republic 12 days ago. We also know that Beauchamp has refused to discuss his original claims with any other media organization, and gave a blanket statement to the PAO to relay to media organizations that he will not discuss the incidents in his stories, period. It appears that Beauchamp will not speak to Franklin Foer any more about these articles, and that he may have frozen him out, perhaps upon the direction of a lawyer.
Foer now knows, or should know, whether or not Beauchamp will stand by his earlier claims.
If he can provide further support for Shock Troops and the two previous articles, Foer needs to produce it. If he cannot, Franklin Foer owes it to his readers to retract all three of Scott Beauchamp's stories, which a military investigation revealed to be completely uncorroborated, and portions of which one of the magazine's own experts found "highly unlikely."
To date, Franklin Foer, Jason Zengerle, and the rest of The New Republic have been unable to provide so much as a single named expert, a single named witness, or a single concrete fact to support the claims made in "Shock Troops."
I call upon Franklin Foer to honor his word: present the findings of TNR's investigation.
If you will not, resign.
Update: Lessons unlearned:
The High and Mighty
Just after Baghdad fell in early 2003, CNN ran an astonishing confession on the New York Times’s op-ed page admitting that it had known, but kept secret, some “awful things” about the regime of Saddam Hussein over the years. “Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard—awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff,” wrote Eason Jordan, CNN’s chief news executive. “I came to know several Iraqi officials well enough that they confided in me that Saddam Hussein was a maniac who had to be removed.” The piece went into some gruesome detail of atrocities CNN “could not report,” for fear of reprisal from the dictator. “I felt awful having these stories bottled up inside me,” he confessed.
Then why didn’t CNN leave Iraq and alert the rest of the world about these “gut-wrenching tales” and atrocities?
For a couple of weeks, other mainstream media reported moral outrage. The New Republic's Franklin Foer shot back that this couldn't even be called a belated outbreak of honesty. "If it were, Mr. Jordan would be portraying CNN as Saddam's victim. He'd be apologizing for its cooperation with Iraq's erstwhile information ministry—and admitting that CNN policy hinders truthful coverage of dictatorships." CNN was, Foer stated, the network of record. "It makes rich reading to return to transcripts and compare the CNN version of Iraq with the reality that has emerged."
The lesson never quite sank in.
Obviously.
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Why not go for the full monty honor-wise and do both?
Posted by: Dean Barnett at September 18, 2007 05:03 PM (M7kiy)
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Dean Barnett
Because that would require morals and ethics, something obviously lacking at The New Republic.
Posted by: doriangrey at September 18, 2007 06:31 PM (KCPpu)
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Sadly it becomes more and more obvious with every passing day and scandal that EVERYONE who is a "democrat," "liberal" or "progressive" is just a filthy liar. I have many, many lib pals here in Oregon and, alas, I view them all as the worthless filth that Foer et al have proven to be. As Mark Levine says, we ARE in the midst of a culture war and these horrid, lying, miserable scum are the enemy. Sad.
Posted by: vetter at September 18, 2007 06:32 PM (uXHec)
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It looks like TNR is winning the game. All Franklin Foer has to do is sit tight, keep quiet, and all this will continue to fade away.
Posted by: John at September 18, 2007 06:32 PM (f53l2)
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I'm afraid John is right. Who's on the case? In time even CY will probably move on to another more important scandal.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 18, 2007 07:28 PM (Lgw9b)
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But, the next time TNR publishes something fantabulous, watch how quickly this gets brought up again.
They may think they can avoid it, but like on so many other issues, they are dead wrong.
Posted by: C-C-G at September 18, 2007 07:31 PM (lo4eE)
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I'm afraid John is right. Who's on the case? In time even CY will probably move on to another more important scandal.
Don't count on this story being
remotely close to being closed.
In fact, it is just getting interesting.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 18, 2007 07:39 PM (HcgFD)
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There ya go, CY, showing us some leg again - you got a time frame on the next big reveal?
Even if not a word more on this story was published, TNR's reputation has been severely damaged - and that goes for every writer, editor, staffer, and alumnus who swims in the little pond of professional political intellectuals.
They may think they can front the scandal off for a while, but the bad odor never goes away. Sooner or later, it will affect the bottom line, if it hasn't already - or make it more difficult for the publisher to justify continuing to lose money on their no longer so prestigious "prestige" holding.
Posted by: CK MacLeod at September 18, 2007 09:11 PM (dvksz)
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C'mon, Foer just wants this whole thing to go away. He's waiting for the day when Elspeth tells him he can come out from under his desk. I've been keeping an eye on this too, ever since I got a response from his 1SG and the PAO in his unit. TNR doesn't want to admit it got punked by a problem child.
Posted by: SFCMAC at September 19, 2007 09:19 AM (y+WIp)
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Hmmmm.
Frankly I think this low-key nonsense will continue up until Beauchamp gets separated and discharged. Then we'll see that twit come out and proclaim that he was telling the truth all along but was strong-armed by the military and right wing blogs. Whereupon Foer will start braying like a jackass and hoping that new meme will somehow overcome the reality.
No doubt they'll fall on their faces yet again when that happens.
Posted by: memomachine at September 19, 2007 09:28 AM (3pvQO)
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I noticed Ellie hasn't written anything for TNR since June despite having an active Spring.
Hmmmmm....I wonder why.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 19, 2007 11:11 AM (epqk/)
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I like Dean's idea--Foer both come clean and resign. I don't see how TNR can lay claim to a shred of credibility while Foer's at the helm.
Posted by: Nathan Tabor at September 20, 2007 12:31 AM (Vrju/)
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September 14, 2007
TNR Writer: Dishonest journalists "should be named, shamed, and driven out of the profession altogether, never to write again."
The New Republic has a writer named James Kirchick who got
righteously indignant when a HuffPo writer plagiarized his original work.
Says Kirchick:
There is no worse offense in the journalistic profession than stealing someone else's work and those who do should be named, shamed, and driven out of the profession altogether, never to write again.
Oh James... I think we can come up with just a few journalistic offenses more damning than mere plagiarism.
Here's a few for starters.
Unquestioningly run fake stories of American atrocities, where you can't even correctly pin down even the country in which one of them takes place.
Allow a police force to be accused of murder based upon a claim that was disproven with a simple Google search.
Blatantly lie to your readers and your fellow journalists about fact-checking said stories beforehand.
Hide the marital relationship between the dishonest author and your staff fact-checker for as long as possible, and then fire the person who discloses it.
When you try to justify the fact you didn't do basic fact-checking before you ran these stories by citing experts in your "re-reporting", keep them anonymous and in the dark, asking them only vague, almost meaninglessly general questions. That way, they don't know how they are being used, and they can't be given the whole story (because if they knew all the facts, they'd tell a quite different story).
Refuse to acknowledge or print the testimony of authorities and witnesses that directly contradict your claims, and refuse to answer any of the substantive criticism leveled against you, while alleging that others aren't allowing the truth the come out, so that you can avoid resigning in disgrace for another day.
These things might be just a bit worse than putting your name on someone's else's story, but I think we all agree with your preferred punishment.
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Hmmm... when do the firings of the editorial staff at The New Republic start, CY?
Posted by: C-C-G at September 15, 2007 02:21 PM (lo4eE)
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The New Republic complains about journalistic malpractice.
Rich creamy schadenfreude so thick you can roll it up and eat it with a fork. But use a spoon, you'll want to get every drop.
Posted by: Looking Glass at September 16, 2007 05:03 AM (fX5Hp)
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I'll bet James has lifted quite a bit of his work elsewhere. He's protesting a tad too loudly.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 16, 2007 09:36 AM (/G4Xe)
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An interesting thing -- if you read the comments of TNR subscribers, there is little sympathy whatsoever for Kirchik. Apparently he has overused this tone of wounded indignation and exhausted people's patience.
Posted by: huxley at September 16, 2007 03:30 PM (QHkH+)
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Maybe TNR readers realize that if what Kirchick proposes actually happened at TNR, they'd have to hire replacements for just about the entire staff.
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What Else Remains
At this point in the Scott Beauchamp/
The New Republic scandal, only two questions really matter:
- Have the editors of The New Republic spoken with Scott Beauchamp since his July 26 statement outing himself?
- If so, does Beauchamp still stand by his stories as he then claimed?
There are several reasons to ask this question now, starting with the fact that we know Scott Beauchamp has very recently been available for interviews.
It was quite easy to verify this: I sent in a request for an interview with Private Beauchamp several weeks ago. When he turned it down this past week, it verified that he had returned from COP Ellis to FOB Falcon. His log-in to his MySpace page on September 6 also corroborates his return.
Under intense pressure to provide support for the stories that have tarnished the magazine's image, Franklin Foer was no doubt first in line to try to speak with Private Beauchamp once he returned to FOB Falcon. It would also be reasonable to assume that because of their previous relationship, Beauchamp would choose to speak to Foer or other editors of The New Republic if he chose to speak with anyone at all. Could we interpret the magazine's continuing silence to mean that Beauchamp himself has backed away from his previous claims?
If Franklin Foer cannot get Scott Beauchamp to provide supporting evidence for the claims he posted, then Foer has an obligation and a duty to retract all three of Beauchamp's stories.
The problem with doing so, however, is that the retractions would also show that "the Editors" previous claim that "the article was rigorously edited and fact-checked before it was published" to also be a dishonest fabrication, and that deception would demand editorial resignations at TNR as well.
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Bob thanks for continuing to put this issue up on the screen. I concur with an earlier comment on an earlier article: although it is true that Foer et al, don't care about the truth and are just pandering to their like-minded core readership, your efforts are not at all in vain. They are outed and their credibility is being eroded. Rightly so. Those readers who do have some integrity are going to feel defrauded even if they agree with the "narrative" in general. People will stop citing TNR's articles. At least some writers, even on the left, are not going to want to be associated with it and will sell their wares elsewhere. No matter how accurate some of their reporting may be, no one can ever really be sure whether or not its been fact checked and/or whether its being made up if its published in TNR. The truthers and other rabid lefties won't care. This is a similar situation to what happens when a small-town police department allows one low-life bar or club to remain open for business in a bad part of town, knowing that it is full of criminals, prostitutes and drug dealers. They could shut it down but don't because it serves purpose; at least they have them all concentrated in one place and you can keep tabs on what they are doing. TNR can now become the low-life pseudo-intellectual lefty hang-out, full of oblivious "insiders" who don't have a clue what they look like to the "outsiders." CY is doing great work now in getting them identified for what they really are and helping them move into their new role. The more the public is reminded of what they are, the better.
Posted by: Stephanie at September 12, 2007 06:23 AM (AIF2K)
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Could we interpret the magazine's continuing silence to mean that Beauchamp himself has backed away from his previous claims?....The problem with doing so, however, is that the retractions would also show that "the Editors" previous claim that "the article was rigorously edited and fact-checked before it was published" to also be a dishonest fabrication, and that deception would demand editorial resignations at TNR as well.
Both these things might be true, but, as it stands, this is speculation built upon speculation and then published with the aura of fact--after all, you have a goal of holding the "MSM" to a rigorous standard of veracity. Isn't this kind of "if...then" guesswork the kind of thing you'd bust TNR for if they tried it?
Posted by: nunaim at September 12, 2007 08:17 AM (asdkJ)
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With TNR and STB staying silent all there can be from this point forward is speculation. Although their silence is damning....I speculate.
Posted by: T.Ferg at September 12, 2007 09:08 AM (2YVh7)
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Nunaim,
It is not published as fact. It is speculation and clearly stated as such. And T.Ferg makes another very clear point as to the protracted silence from TNR. There is nothing wrong with having a contrarian around here but you often go to such pretzeled lengths to take issue that you look silly.
Posted by: rbnyc at September 12, 2007 09:25 AM (+IX3y)
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Bob,
Well done.
And congratulations to you and the Mrs.
And yes, nunaim is a troll.
Over and over again there are contrarian commments for their own sake, adding nothing to the discussion.
Sorry.
It's just the way it is.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: MTT at September 12, 2007 12:53 PM (1xjmZ)
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If Beauchamp's position is that he lied to TNR when heÂ’s talking to the army, and that he lied to the army when heÂ’s talking to TNR, he's home free. After all, itÂ’s not a crime to lie to a magazine and it's in the magazine's interest to believe he lied to the army. So everyone is happy and the whole thing drops from sight.
Posted by: Fred at September 12, 2007 12:58 PM (Zs/xF)
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nunaim -- Beauchamp and TNR have made damaging claims about the military both in Beauchamp's articles and in TNR's indignant counter-attacks after Beauchamp's articles were questioned. It is their responsibility to demonstrate that the articles are true and that they were indeed fact-checked as claimed. So far they have done neither.
Bob Owens has been quite transparent about what he knows and how he knows it. There is no moral equivalence here. Beauchamp and TNR are not conducting themselves with good faith; Bob Owens is.
It's strange to have to explain things like this.
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Posted by: David M at September 12, 2007 01:24 PM (gIAM9)
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One of the most interesting aspects of this affair - indeed, to my mind, now the crux of it - is the mysterious statement of recantation supposedly signed by Private Beauchamp, but not released by the military due to "privacy concerns."
Somebody apparently leaked the fact that such a statement exists, but so far the recantation remains unpublished.
I wonder if there is anybody with legal standing to sue the military and force the release of the statement, if it does, indeed, exist?
If he did recant, it would certainly resolve this issue in the minds of most observers.
Posted by: Bill Quick at September 12, 2007 01:53 PM (dZ9FW)
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I could be mistaken but I think Beauchamp himself could ask the Army to release it.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 12, 2007 01:57 PM (Lgw9b)
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My opinion and clearly stated as such is that
TNR doesn't give a rats a** if the Scott Beauchamp stories are true or not. TNR has a small but loyal readership they have to satisfy. Doing this requires they print stories that fit a certain narrative with which their SBLR can agree.This makes the readership feel superior to all the rest of you rubes because only they have the brains, taste, and discrimination to read and understand the content of TNR. I used to feel the same way about Mad Magazine.
Posted by: Glenn at September 12, 2007 02:18 PM (zp+Xy)
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AH Yes, He could ask for the release.....you know much as could Kerry have asked for "full and complete" release of his records!
Har!
Posted by: Duke DeLand at September 12, 2007 02:18 PM (kZio2)
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In answer to Bill Quick, I deal with privacy matters on a regular basis at a university. I don't claim that the Army and the average university are the same, but I do know the law (written with regard to universities, private employers in the US, etc) generally protects privacy information from lawsuits by outsiders. There are always exceptions, and I suspect the law is some different for the military. That said, I'd be surprised if a lawsuit could shake loose any statement that Pvt. Beauchamp signed.
Posted by: Steve White at September 12, 2007 02:22 PM (D14J4)
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When I was about 12 years old
Posted by: Glenn at September 12, 2007 02:22 PM (zp+Xy)
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Hmmm.
*shrug* I believe also that Beauchamp could ask for copies of the documents he has signed and then send them to TNR or anybody else.
Posted by: memomachine at September 12, 2007 02:23 PM (3pvQO)
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Hmmm.
I assume that TNR is done with their summer vacation?
Or are they onto the super secret double vacation?
Posted by: memomachine at September 12, 2007 02:26 PM (3pvQO)
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It appears that Beauchamp did indeed recant - but what he recanted was his first signed statement to the Army in which, apparently, he said he hadn't been involved in the stories.
Later that day he signed a second statement acknowledging he was 'Scott Thomas', along with other stipulations we aren't privy to.
Posted by: molon labe at September 12, 2007 03:08 PM (GbgRr)
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I think a much more interesting question is: given that TNR's "fact checking" appears to have been done in bad faith, just how many people at the magazine knew it was fake all along?
Posted by: Daryl Herbert at September 12, 2007 03:19 PM (YvLui)
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I can predict the future. This is the future what I can see in my magical eight ball:
SB will not talk until he is released from his military commitment, at which time TNR will let his "true story" be made public.
The "true story" will be that he has been telling the truth the entire time but that pressure from the military had kept him from saying so, and it is not cowardly to shrink in the face of the power of the American Military Industrial Complex.
Great applause and celebrations on the left side of the street for his heroic truth-telling-to-power ensues.
Posted by: Anga2010 at September 12, 2007 07:13 PM (VwZUL)
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This is another "fake but true" narrative along the lines of the Mary Mapes story on George Bush and the National Guard.
Even if its not "exactly" true, well, you know that is what happens to people when they go off to war. So, to a liberal, it must be true, because they have been told that it is true, that US soldiers are war criminals, and it is up to TNR and other "heros" of the anti-war movement to bring these beasts to task.
Look at the bevy of anti-military movies now in the pipeline, and it is quite obvious to me that the Left has now decided to attack the military itself, having had no real success in its attack on Bush and his allies. They are now in the business of slandering the military in an effort to turn the American people against the war on terror.
They may succeed. But, if they don't, I would hate to be in their shoes. In my mind some of them have now entered the realm of traitor, and they should be punished as such.
Posted by: templar knight at September 12, 2007 07:34 PM (2LEwd)
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To: Naysayers, namecallers, wankers and other haters up above:
You're wrong. The question I raised goes to the heart of what CY is trying to do here.
There has been a lot of complaint at this and other right-leaning sites about the bias and loose reporting of the "MSM." The blogosphere has been suggested as the antidote, the future of reporting. To that end, CY has spent what I'm assuming are countless hours emailing people and tracking down facts to correct shoddy reporting. He then presents the corrected facts here.
That work seems to me to be undone when raw speculation (and let's be honest: biased speculation, because it puts only the most anti-Beauchamp interpretation on things) is posted side-by-side with factual reportage. At least newspapers have a section labeled "Op/Ed," so you presumably know what you're getting there.
Is this the brave new world of reporting that we're told the Internet will bring to us? Isn't this further blurring the distinction between fact and fancy?
Also: Beauchamp has not issued a statement denouncing pedophilia. Can we assume from his silence that he is a pedophile?
Posted by: nunaim at September 13, 2007 08:39 AM (it+lH)
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No. As of now there is no reason to believe that he is a pedophile. Your logic it quite poor.
Posted by: rbnyc at September 13, 2007 09:39 AM (3OWLF)
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Hmmmm.
@ nunaim
Completely wrong there, but nice hysteria. It suits.
*shrug* the simple fact is that TNR went out on a limb over Beauchamp and now have nothing. That is an essential fact. And because of that TNR needs a positive defense that requires Beauchamp's active involvement. That Beauchamp is handling TNR with a 20' pole is clearly indicative that Beauchamp has learned that exaggerating doesn't come without cost.
Posted by: memomachine at September 13, 2007 11:11 AM (3pvQO)
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Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Hmmmm?
*shrug*
*pick nose*
*belch quietly*
*scratch butt*
It's a sad world when a call for consistency, transparency and clarity are mistaken for hysteria.
Posted by: nunaim at September 13, 2007 07:33 PM (22/Qe)
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nunaim, most people with functional frontal lobes can tell the difference between what TNR attempted to do and what CY is attempting to do.
Why can't you?
Posted by: C-C-G at September 13, 2007 07:41 PM (lo4eE)
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It's a sad world when a call for consistency, transparency and clarity are mistaken for hysteria.
Perhaps you should have done that instead of whatever it was you were attempting. The only way things could be any clearer, more transparent or consistent would be for STB to do an in depth interview to clear his name.
He's not interested. What more do you need to know?
Posted by: Pablo at September 13, 2007 09:23 PM (yTndK)
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Anga2010 Said:
Great applause and celebrations on the left side of the street for his heroic truth-telling-to-power ensues.
Aren't you forgetting the book deal and possible movie deal? I mean, that's what this has been about all along isn't it?
Sorry, blatant speculation there. Is that allowed?
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High Noon for TNR
I'll ask all of my readers to please check out
Pajamas Media after noon (Eastern U.S.) today [
update: it's up now], and see what you think of my exclusive interview which should be coming online right about then.
In the meantime, Michelle Malkin and her team at Hot Air released a crushing "Vent" today, interviewing Michael Goldfarb, the writer for The Weekly Standard that broke the story with his post, "Fact or Fiction?" on July 18, and also paying a surprise visit to the offices of The New Republic to try to get in to see Franklin Foer.
Watch the whole thing.
All in all, this is going to be a very bad day for Franklin Foer and The New Republic, who by now, just wish this story would go away. What they don't seem to grasp is that at this point, they are the story.
We know that the events Beauchamp wrote about in "Shock Troops" were fabrications, and that has become something of a non-story at this point.
Now, what has become a far more important story is the devious means by which the editorial staff of The New Republic has sought to cover-up their own inadequacies. If they had simply admitted in the beginning that they did not adequately check Beauchamp's stories because they never thought that the husband of a staffer would so boldly and blatantly lie to them, then this would have blown over weeks ago, with minor consequences.
Instead, The New Republic launched an investigation "re-reporting" the story, and tried to justify the unjustifiable with a combination of willful deception and obfuscation. They've attempted to deceive or hide information their readers, fellow journalists, at least one of the experts they claimed supported the veracity of the story, the blogosphere, and the United States Army, in a pathetic attempt to justify a minor incompetence, and in the process, created a significant scandal.
In the end, if TNR owners CanWest Mediaworks hopes to retain any corporate credibility at all, a purge of the defective detectives that make up the editorial staff The New Republic is certainly warranted.
They've run out of second chances.
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Or they could have used the tried and true liberal response when caught flat out lying,
HEY, WE WERE JUST KIDDING, IT WAS A JOKE.
YOU NEOCONS ARE JUST TOO STUPID TO GET IT.
Semper Fi
Posted by: 1sttofight at September 10, 2007 09:46 AM (T714S)
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I have said it before and I'll say it again, TNR doesn't need to come clean, fire people, or do any of the things they rightly should do. They know who their audience is and their audience doesn't care one bit about truth. They care about the narrative. So TNR and their audience are in scynch here. That's all that matters to them.
Posted by: T.Ferg at September 10, 2007 10:25 AM (2YVh7)
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Bob -- Kudos to you, Michelle and Michael for staying on TNR's case. By all means keep up the good work.
However, at this point TNR has doubled-down twice in the Beauchamp affair and lost. For anyone who cares to know, it's clear TNR has once again fobbed off agenda-driven fables as insightful truths without fact-checking. Then they went on to lie about their fact-checking, their intended follow-up, and the Army's handling of Beauchamp.
At this point, what more does TNR have to lose? Why not continue to stonewall?
Posted by: huxley at September 10, 2007 11:02 AM (rOvvS)
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The really sad thing about this whole fiasco is the willingness of TNR to abandon legitimate journalism to propagandize.
What is even sadder is the fact that so many news and information journals are doing the same thing every day of the week.
Posted by: edward cropper at September 10, 2007 11:27 AM (ZxPWQ)
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Which raises the question -- was American journalism always this bad? Is the only difference now with the internet and blogs that the media get caught like this over and over again?
Posted by: huxley at September 10, 2007 12:10 PM (Qt1f1)
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Huxley - My best guess would be yes and no. Yes, there were always
some lazy reporters who made up details when getting the real story would have been too much work. In the past, the newspaper-reading public didn't have the tools to catch them, so exactly how many reporters "phoned it in" (or telegraphed it in) over the course of history cannot be known.
And no, not all reporters were like this. Look, for instance, at the WWII reporting. There were always good reporters as well, people taking the time (like Mr. Owens did) to get all the facts and get the story right.
In the end, it boils down to human nature, which never changes. There are heroes and there are zeroes, and there have always been both.
Posted by: Robin Munn at September 10, 2007 12:30 PM (IWzGe)
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Robin -- I've noticed since I was a teenager that newspaper accounts of events I experienced often got a lot of details wrong in a lazy or careless way.
But I don't remember the "news" news so propagandized as it is today, where editorializing creeps in everywhere and even fabricated evidence like Beauchamp or Rathergate or the Lancet study on Iraqi deaths are used to bolster agendas.
Perhaps I should look back and see.
Posted by: huxley at September 10, 2007 01:00 PM (Qt1f1)
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I personally think the media has always been this way. Its just the explosion of information technology combined with the radicalization of our political discourse that makes it seem so bad now.
Congrats on the interview CY. You really hammered it home.
In the end it won't matter though. TNR is just a third tier declining rag now. They aren't going to clean this up because their audience doesn't want them to and from what I can tell they have no personal or organizational integrity pushing them to Do the Right Thing. They're just hunkering down waiting for it to go away.
Posted by: DaveW at September 10, 2007 01:39 PM (lrfik)
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Gentlemen, as a former managing editor of a newspaper, let me assure you that the quality of news reporting has declined measurably over the past 20 years, and most of the blame can be attributed to liberal J-schools, who are turning out agenda-driven graduates as brainwashed as students in a Pakistani madrassa. That is why you see little if any reaction within TNR, as they are convinced that they are telling the truth even when they are lying. They are nothing but brainwashed propagandists. Sickening, really.
Posted by: templar knight at September 10, 2007 04:59 PM (2LEwd)
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Thanks for weighing in, TK! That's my sense of it too.
Back in the eighties, I was your basic San Francisco leftie. While I was often unhappy with the balance of news coverage, the editorials on the editorial page, and the accounts of what government officials said, I never had the impression that the media itself was foisting outright propaganda disguised as news.
Not that long ago, I think the staffs of most newspapers and magazines would have been deeply ashamed if they were caught pushing a story based on fabricated evidence. That's not true today. Mostly they brass it out, like Rather, Mapes and now Foer.
Posted by: huxley at September 10, 2007 06:53 PM (Qt1f1)
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Assuming that the comments above are correct, that TNR has no reason to come clean because they are giving their subscribers exactly what they want, what leverage does Bob or anyone else have to get the truth out or to make anyone pay a price?
Posted by: Mark at September 10, 2007 06:59 PM (+45yf)
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One wonders where the usual lefty suspects are...
Posted by: C-C-G at September 10, 2007 07:24 PM (viASe)
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>...what leverage does Bob or anyone else have to get the truth out or to make anyone pay a price?
Exactly. I don't see it happening. I enjoy watching Michelle Malkin's ambush attempt in the TNR office and I appreciate Bob's continuing efforts to cut the ground out from underneath TNR, but these people seem shameless.
Rather, Mapes and CBS never apologized or even acknowledged using forged docs on 60 Minutes, why should TNR and Foer apologize for Beauchamp?
Posted by: huxley at September 10, 2007 07:53 PM (Qt1f1)
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There are still a number of people in the newspaper business who were trained prior to the J-school madrassas, many in positions of authority. The recent outrage in Seattle, I believe it was, where the reporters in the newsroom applauded the resignation of Karl Rove is a case in point. The editor, who was obviously trained at another place and time, took control of the situation. One such as he is rare in the media these days, but these are the ones we appeal to for justice.
Posted by: templar knight at September 10, 2007 09:03 PM (2LEwd)
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Mark
The price that Bob and others are forcing TNR (CBS, etc.) to pay is very high--trust in the publication. Ultimately that is death--once a majority of readers/viewers believe that the publication can no longer be trusted, fewer will read it and even fewer will risk ridicule citing it.
CBS understood that calculus very well when they dumped Dan and Mary Mapes. TNR clearly does not understand it at all.
Posted by: iconoclast at September 11, 2007 10:41 AM (TzLpv)
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Templar
Old-school journalists appear to be a dying breed. At least at the major dailies. In ten years that editor will be gone and the newsroom would cheer at an assasination attempt of their politial enemies.
I still don't really understand what is so special about a j-school degree. A college degree would be useful--general knowledge, ability to learn, and abilty to write/speak--but a good english or history degree with science distribution would accomplish that quite nicely. All the rest should be learned via mentoring, training, ojt. Wrong?
Posted by: iconoclast at September 11, 2007 10:46 AM (TzLpv)
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It is now obvious that the editors at TNR have now teamed up with OJ in the quest for the truth.
A truth that can be found in any mirror.
Posted by: Neo at September 11, 2007 01:07 PM (Yozw9)
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