April 10, 2009
April 09, 2009
New Anti-Gun Meme: Cheap Ammo Causes Massacres
Say Uncle pointed me this morning to the an absurd new meme that ABC's William Kates is attempting to spin, that massacres could be prevented if we just listened to comedians.
Yeah, really.
Ballistics reports showed Jiverly Wong fired 87 times from a 9mm Beretta and 11 times from a .45-caliber handgun. If he bought the ammunition online, he could have paid as little as $40 for the rounds he fired.
Friends say Wong complained that he only received $200 a week in unemployment benefits.
"Chris Rock says in one of his routines — have all the guns you want but charge like $1,000 for every bullet," said Jackie Hilly of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. "I think if you raised the price, you would probably discourage the violence, but I don't think you would prevent it."
In other news, Eddie Murphy suggested that raising the price of cars to a minimum of $300,000 would increase carpooling while decreasing the number of people picking up transvestite streetwalkers.
But that's neither here nor there.
What I really want to know from ABC's Kates is just how much a massacre is supposed to cost. If Kates thinks the cost of the ammunition used in the massacre was too inexpensive, what would be an appropriate price to pay for the slaughter? If Wong paid $98,000 for the bullets he used in his massacre ($1,000/bullet x 98 bullets) would Mr. Kates have then found the cost in human lives acceptable?
Of course, we know that Kates and his allies couldn't care less about the specific cost of bullets used in this shooting or other gun crimes, because the cost is only secondary to their primary goal of establishing control over gun owners.
Gun laws have always been about establishing political control over a population and forcing them to rely on the government to protect them.
Can we think of any reason why typically left-leaning journalists and politicians might want to advocate for people being forced to rely on the government?
Yes we can.
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Oh I can. They want old soviet style socialism, and the only way to keep American's from force ably stopping it is England style gun control. Where only the criminals have firearms, and law abiding citizens (the ones that will stand up and stop it) to not have them.
Posted by: Frank at April 09, 2009 11:59 PM (6pjXt)
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Oh I can. They want old soviet style socialism, and the only way to keep American's from force ably stopping it is England style gun control. Where only the criminals have firearms, and law abiding citizens (the ones that will stand up and stop it) to not have them.
Posted by: Frank at April 10, 2009 12:00 AM (6pjXt)
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Raising tax rates on ammo fits with Obama's gouging of smokers.
Nice little racket, they can take more and more money from gun owners and use to to fund anti-gun efforts.
Another logical flaw is the idea that criminals and murderers respect laws. Drugs are quite illegal and quite expensive, hasn't exactly made them impossible to get. And would an insane person plotting a spree be concerned about a budget?
Of course, central to this meme is fear. They want to get the public afraid of how cheap it all is. Why the masses could almost afford these things!
I'm sure the civil rights groups would complain about regressive taxes being used to strip rights away from the poor. After all if the poor wanted protection, they should just hire bodyguards.
Posted by: Jack at April 10, 2009 04:57 AM (eYyL2)
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Which would be nice and all, but which part would actually cost the most?
I can get lead from tire stores, melt it down, and cast my own bullets. Gun powder is $20 for a pound. Brass can be picked up at a shooting range. Primers run $25 or so for 1000.
While not exactly the easiest thing in the world, you can make your own smokeless powder using basic chemicals. When the cost of a single round is $1000, there's a lot of incentive to learn a bit of chemistry and make them for $10 each.
These people live in a fantasy world.
Posted by: Robb Allen at April 10, 2009 09:47 AM (MPhK9)
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When bullets get too expensive, bad people will still be able to turn to dropping rocks off highway overpasses at oncoming traffic.
And I haven't seen any 45ACP ammo in Wally World for quite some time; the clerk at the gun counter says whenever he puts some up, it is gone within moments, usually purchased in as much bulk as is available, along with all the other popular calibers of ammunition. Apparently some folks are using the current ammo shortages to their advantage - buying whatever is cheap and reselling it dear.
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April 06, 2009
Beastly Lies
Harold Evans, editor and historian according to his
bio, can now added "discredited crank" to his list of accomplishments, all thanks to a rant he published in Tina Brown's
The Daily Beast.
The rant, Accomplices to Murder, attacks, well, nearly everyone as being an accomplice in the recent spate of mass shootings.
Indeed, Evans may have something when he accuses the society at large for creating an environment where such barbaric events are too commonplace. But Evans goes over the line in attempting to fix blame to certain people and groups in a rant howled into type.
Unencumbered by his former roles as a historian and editor, Evans has now descended to printing blatant falsehoods to support his position, acts which should result in a retraction of his article, and perhaps a re-evaluation of his relationship with the Beast.
He rants:
All these gun killings—43 in total—occurred over the last 26 days. All harvest profuse expressions of sympathy and prayers for the families and the communities. The detestation for the killers is universal. How could it not be? These are crazed and evil people. They merit our detestation.
But they are not alone in their guilt. The people who put guns into the hands have a share of that ignominy. Who are they?
The guilty are the gun dealers at flea markets and state shows who will sell any number of weapons to anyone—juveniles, criminals, nuts—without any background check or records.
By federal law, licensed gun dealers must have perspective purchasers fill out ATF Form 4473. Dealers then must check a government issued photo ID and then must call the FBI-run NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) for a background check of the buyer.
This background check must be performed by gun dealers for all firearms transactions, at their primary business front location in a guns store, a flea market, or a gun show. There are no exceptions, and form 4473 specifically includes question #17 on the form that asks "Location of sale if at a gun show. (city, state)".
Only individuals who are not gun dealers may sell their private firearms without a background check according to federal law, though that varies according to the laws of individual states.
Mr. Evans flatly lies when he says dealers are not required to perform a background check, as direct links to the government web sites and documents above clearly shows. This lie is pervasive enough throughout his screed, and forms enough of the underlying thesis, to demand that the rant be retracted in its entirety.
But Evans is just warming up, and he is likewise deceptive when he implies the Mexican cartels are heavily-armed because of lax U.S. gun laws.
83% of the firearms captured by Mexican law enforcement in the past two years –more than 20,000—came from sources other than the U.S civilian market, and most come primarily from the international black market.
Mexican cartels are often armed with hand grenades, automatic weapons, and anti-tank rockets—weapons unavailable on the U.S market at any price.
But nowhere does Mr. Evans display his ignorance more than when he discusses the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban.
The assault weapons "ban" did not ban assault weapons. The popularity, sale, and ownership of semi-automatic military-style weapons grew over the ten-year course of the ban, all quite legally. Several American gun companies that build "assault weapons" exclusively grew over the course of the ban, and the already low rate of crimes committed with such weapons never deviated substantially from the roughly 2% that it was before, during, and after the ban.
The actual net effect of the ban was no reduction in crimes committed with the class of firearms covered in the ban, an actual increase in the distribution and popularity of so-called "assault weapons," and the creation of an entirely new class of ultra-compact and powerful handguns designed for concealed carry, which brought even more specialized gun manufacturers into existence.
The Department of Justice study Evans sought to cite as evidence of a drop in gun crime as a result of the ban also seems utterly irrelevant to his argument, and a bit of a purposeful red herring. We don't know precisely which report he refers to because he omits that detail, but by Evans' own description, the DOJ study was for automatic weapons, not the semi-automatics covered in the ban. Evans can't even plead ignorance of the difference in the terms, as he explains the difference between automatic and semi-automatic himself:
...semi-automatic fire (one trigger pull per shot but with magazines enabling the user to fire hundreds of rounds in a minute).
He knows the difference, but appears intent on conflating the terms on purpose. Is he being purposefully deceptive? It would appear so.
The only person "guilty" in this shameful display of collapsed ethics is one Mr. Harold Evans, who commits the journalistic sin of deceiving and misleading his readers, massacring truth along the way.
Update—A Nepotistic Beast? As "happyfeet" points out in the comments, the head of the Daily Beast, Tina Brown is married to Harold Evans.
Will she chose to retract her husband's sloppy rant, or risk the integrity of her latest venture and her life's work as an editor, along with Barry Diller's investment in her leadership?
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Isn't that Tina's husband?
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You mean there are people out there who can pull a trigger >3 times per second and keep it up for at least a minute? I want to meet them! And I want some of the multi-hundred round mags they use.
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So you caught this dufus being dishonest. Think it will make any difference? Retraction? I don't think so. Today's liberals are far too dishonest to be interested in facts, they would prefer to deal in 'feelings'.
The more I deal with Liberals, the more I wish duels were still in fashion. Keeps honesty and integrity at a maximum.
Posted by: Mephitis at April 07, 2009 12:09 AM (ehXLT)
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The man was clearly nuts. Specfically schizophrenic. Now the reason he is on the street is that the liberals do not see a problem with violent crazy people mixing with the general population. Thus they did away with all the nut houses many years ago. When these were in place we did not have a homeless problem and incidents of this nature were rare.
Posted by: david at April 07, 2009 11:40 AM (dccG2)
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"The gunshow loophole" is one of those things
everybody knows and shrug off any statement to the contrary.
Hey, all they want is "reasonable restrictions." Just like they kept saying during
Heller when they called those DC laws/regs "reasonable."
Posted by: teqjack at April 07, 2009 12:37 PM (CEphM)
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Notice that the picture chosen for the piece shows two young men holding "assault weapons". Also notice that the two weapons on the left (to the left on the wall and the 2-toned rifle held by the guy in the white shirt) are XM-8 battle rifles, a weapon that was never actually produced by HK (program canceled in 2005) other than a few hundred prototypes. They are certainly NOT available on the civilian market.
My guess is these guns aren't even real, but airsoft copies. Civilians (or even law enforcement) simply cannot buy a XM-8, so if the XM-8 pictured is real, it must be from a SHOT Show or some other expo, not from a gun shop/show.
The gun held by the guy in blue appears to be a HK UMP with a short barrel which is civilian legal only as a semi-auto SBR, requiring the same form 4 and extra background checks as civilian transferable full-autos. A short barreled MP5 (on wall to right) is available as a semi-auto SBR or transferable full-auto but again, with the extra red tape that goes with any form 4 transfer.
The picture implies that anyone can walk into a gun show and buy up short-barreled UMPs and MP5s (and prototype weapons never actually produced for either military or civilian market) which is flatly untrue. Just like Bob pointed out in his post about the picture of LAW rockets and rifle-grenades in the article about US guns being used by cartels in Mexico, this is yet another example of how the media uses misleading images to perpetrate their anti-gun agenda.
Posted by: Eric at April 08, 2009 12:17 PM (0VpIm)
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Excellent eyes, Eric.
That exact photo is from one of the recent SHOT shows... 2006, I think.
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What differentiates them? A federal felony. Anyone who is in the business of buying and selling firearms must obtain a federal firearms license. This includes every Walmart, sporting goods store, individual, pawn shop and dealer at a gun show or flea market. Even gunsmiths must obtain a license. Failure to do so subjects the violator to imprisonment for a federal felony. Moreover, you cannot obtain guns from a manufacturer, importer, distributor, wholesaler or other licensed dealer without having an original signed copy of your license on file with them in advance. Theoretically, an individual might buy guns from individuals to sell to other individuals, but that seems very impractical and in any event would be a federal crime.
All licensed dealers must do a background check to sell to a non-dealer individual. The ATF actively cruises gun shows and gun shops looking for someone foolish enough to sell a gun off the books. Also, dealers must keep a license of all guns acquired and disposed of. The ATF checks these books. Any guns not recorded can result in loss of the license and maybe jail time.
How many guns? Just one if you are in the business.
How can the government track this? You can't buy from distributors, etc without the license. You can be sure the ATF prowls gun shows and flea markets just looking for a junk merchant who might carelessly offer an old .22 for sale among their other crap. There are no store front, flea market or gun shows unlicensed dealers out there. No for more than a day or two, at most.
Of course, none of this keeps criminals from buying stolen or smuggled guns from other criminals to furtively sell to criminals. Gun laws do little or nothing to disarm criminals.
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April 04, 2009
How Many People Died Because of the Binghamton Police Response?
By all accounts, there were 14 dead (including the shooter) and four wounded when police finally entered the American Civic Association in Binghampton, NY yesterday, at least an hour after a three-minute rampage had ended with the death of the shooter.
If autopsies determine that even one of the 13 victims died after the "golden hour" and could have been saved by police immediately entering the building and getting them medical care, instead of forming a perimeter and just waiting, then I hope the citizens if Binghampton call for Chief Joseph Zikuski's ouster.
Why do I have a CCH permit? Because when seconds count, police are just seconds 25 yards and several hours away.
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April 03, 2009
Binghamton Shooter Recently Laid Off From IBM Shop Vac
More information is already coming out about the man who went on a shooting spree inside the American Civic Association in Binghamton, NY today.
Jiverly Voong, 42, was a nationalized naturalized Vietnamese-American who has been in the United States for 28 years. He began his rampage at 10:31 AM, killing 13 others and himself by 10:33 AM. There is still some uncertainty about the number of people who were wounded during the shooting who are in area hospitals.
Voong is said to have used a pair of semi-automatic handguns in his assault, once chambered in 9mm and one chambered for 45 ACP (Kudos to the ABC News staff for using my rewrite of that paragraph to report the story more accurately; they had originally used a sentence that described the weapons used inaccurately as heavy caliber automatic pistols).
Police have no known motive for Voong's attack, but some media are suggesting that his recent layoff from IBM may have been part of the reason for the for the shooting. An account of last week's layoffs from WBNG suggests a thin motive for attacking the Civic Association:
Big Blue plans to layoff 5-thousand U.S. Employees today.
IBM headquarters has not responded to calls about whether there are cuts at the Endicott site.
Conrad says Alliance has been told layoffs are taking place in Global Business Services, Systems Technology Group, and Global Technology Services.
"We are hearing that these jobs will be eliminated here in the United States and the work shifted to India, China, Asia-Pacific and Latin America." says Conrad.
It is thin and perhaps irrational reasoning that would lead an immigrant to attack other immigrants for jobs that are leaving this country, if this was indeed Voong's motive. Sadly, that is all the motive we have at this time, and no motive could every justify such a senseless act.
I would caution Americans on the left not to use this senseless tragedy to push for more gun control (New York has restrictive gun laws that obviously failed here), just as I'd advise my fellow citizens on the middle and right not to blame the current or former Presidential Administrations for the recession that led to IBM's layoffs. Congress?
That's a point that may well be worth discussing...
Update: As they so often are, earlier media reports were wrong. Voong (formerly Wong) hated America, was obsessed with guns, and hated having poor English skills.
Illiteracy kills?
Zikuski said Wong was depressed about his poor English-speaking skills, which he was teased about, and his recent unemployment.
"He was terminated from his job at a place called Shop Vac, and he was very upset about that also," Zikuski said.
Zikuski told NBC's "Today" show that people "degraded and disrespected" the gunman over his inability to speak English well.
As a result, said Mayor Matthew Ryan on ABC's "Good Morning America," he was upset about his problems with the language.
This makes his decision to attack a room full of recent immigrants, many who we can assume also faced the challenge of adopting to a new language, even less understandable.
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April 02, 2009
KA-BOOM: "Ninety-Percent" Lie Goes Up in Smoke
I've said before that the anti-gun forces in this country must lie about the horrors of firearms, because reality won't to stoke a level of fear that would convince the American people to give up their Constitutional rights.
An anti-gun lie being pushed hard recently is that 90 % of the guns used to commit violent crime in Mexico come from the United States. Democrats favoring more gun control have been hammering that claim repeatedly, claiming the violence in Mexico justifies further restrictions here in the United States.
That lie, favored by our media, our Attorney General, and our President, is now circling the drain.
There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:
It's just not true.
In fact, it's not even close. By all accounts, it's probably around 17 percent.
What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."
But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.
"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.
So where are the 83-percent of guns coming from, if they aren't coming from the United States?
Shockingly, cartels that exist to smuggle large quantities of illegal drugs internationally also have the ability to smuggle large quantities of illegal weapons internationally as well. Who knew?
Well, anyone with the slightest bit of integrity.
The super-majority of firearms that have turned up in the hands of Mexican cartels came from black market sources, Central and South American revolutions, are smuggled in from Asia, or come from deserters of the Mexican military.
We should hope that President Obama's administration, members of Congress, and media outlets that reported the 90-percent lie will be as honest as Fox News was, and put this myth to rest.
I have hope, but not expectations.
Update: An interesting take on Mexico's gun laws and gun culture from the inside.
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April 01, 2009
NFA 1934 Overturned; Machine Guns Legal Again With Fewer Restrictions
Via
The Gun Source:
That NFA laws have been repealed through a long standing court battle in the 7th US Circuit Court. The president of TGSCOM had sued the federal government on the grounds that the NFA law violated the Second Amendment of the Constitution. After heated and lengthy oral arguments, TGSCOM is now able to sell fully automatic weapons to the general public without tax stamps and the additional background check. The one stipulation to the agreement is that fully automatic rifles will be treated like handguns in that they will require a purchaser of 21 and older, the firearm must be transferred in the state of their residence (same as handguns) and that the buyer must submit to all regulations in the state of their residence.
I'd been watching this in the court system and had hoped for this outcome, but frankly was surprised TGSCOM prevailed in such a manner, and with so little fanfare. Since I'm a registered gun writer because of my work for Pajamas Media I was able to order a Glock 18 machine pistol during a writer's only sale last night. With spare 33 round magazines, it will probably become my new concealed carry pistol.
Once I saw up the money from the Obama stimulus, I'll also be picking up the 100-round G36K for "squirrel and rabbit hunting" and the FN M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW) I've always wanted.
Frankly, I don't think I'd use it for hunting, but it might make parts of Durham accessible again.
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March 16, 2009
DoD to Scrap Valuable Once-Fired Brass at an 80% Loss During Recession So Obama Can Screw Gun Owners; Jobs Are Lost As A Direct Result
One of the most expensive components of a modern rifle or pistol cartridge is the brass casing. It is also the part of the cartridge that is the most "green," in that brass cases can be reused multiple times.
The Obama Administration, however, so despises gun owners that it has forced the Department of Defense to start chopping into scrap once-fired rifle brass that it formerly sold in bulk to to ammunition reloading companies at a premium.
Read all the details at The Shootist, which has far more.
In enacting this directive, the Obama Administration:
- wastes a tremendous amount of government money; once-fired brass can be sold for 80-percent more than bulk brass scrap
- directly caused the firing of workers at ammunition factories who cannot get the brass cases they relied upon as a key material
- by purposefully undermined the reloaded ammunition market, forces federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to buy top-of-the-line ammunition for training qualification, meaning either departments will have to get by with less training for their officers, or citizens will have to pay even more in taxes
This attempt to undermine the ammunition market is hardly surprising considering the prohibitionist mindset of a man so dishonest he was part of the Joyce Foundation attempt to pervert legal scholarship in order to undermine the Constitution.
His Arrogance probably thinks that putting more Americans out of work is worthwhile if he can get what he wants, and considering his across-the-board walk-backs on combatting terrorism, it isn't all that surprising that he's willing to put already tight law enforcement training budgets in peril as well.
Barack Obama's economic incompetence is wrecking the economy, and his rabidly anti-gun ideology is threatening our security.
Why am I not surprised.
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March 12, 2009
The Serial Liars of the Brady Campaign
I saw via
Reason that the ever opportunistic Paul Helmke of the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence
jumped at the chance to once again use a tragedy for political gain. The Brady Campaign, for those of you unfamiliar with it, is the Westboro Baptist Church of the gun confiscation movement.
Never missing a chance to fabricate, obfuscate, or twist the truth, they begin with a whopper in their opening paragraph (my bold below):
Alabama killer Michael McLendon fired more than 200 rounds from his military-style semiautomatic assault weapons. He lived in a state that has pathetically weak guns laws: In the Brady CampaignÂ’s recent state scorecards, Alabama earned a score of 15 out of 100. Assault weapons were banned under federal law until four years ago.
This statement is a monsterous lie.
The 1994 Assault Weapon ban that our über-intelligent Vice President liked to take the credit for authoring banned by name less than two dozen firearms, and attempted to ban others by making rifles or pistols with detachable magazines and two or more cosmetic features—pistol grips, flash hiders, bayonet lugs and other features that had no effect on accuracy or rate fire—illegal.
What effect did this law have on the legal sale or possession of these "evil" weapons the Brady Campaign and so many gullible Congressmen and Senators rushed into law?
It increased the popularity of these firearms. Yes, you read that correctly.
Legal sales of these kinds of firearms grew during the so-called ban. Manufacturers of some rifles, for example, removed flash hiders and bayonet lugs, and put these same firearms into the hands of eager customers the very day the "ban" took effect, and every day of the ten years afterward until it expired. Manufacturers of banned pistols made similar modifications, and had similar results. It might also be noted that an entire new class of concealable handguns was the direct but hilariously unintended consequence of this law, but that is a tale for another time.
There firearms were constantly and quite legally available during the time this impotent law was in effect. Manufacturers specializing in these kinds of firearms actually expanded during this time period, and competitions dedicating to shooting them greatly increased. Brady's claim that assault weapons were banned until the law expired four years ago is patently absurd.
McLendon shot complete strangers, women, children, dogs and his own mother before taking his own life. He had an SKS assault rifle, a Bushmaster assault rifle and a 38 caliber handgun.
Neither an SKS nor a Bushmaster is an assault rifle, but that has never kept Westboro Gun Banners Brady from making the claim over and over again. An assault weapon, by proper military definition, must be selective-fire, fitted with a selector that enables the shooter to fire either single shots or a burst for each trigger pull. None of the guns in the assault weapons ban was actually an assault weapon, which I guess is appropriate, as they weren't actually banned, either.
Because of thoroughly dishonest groups like Brady and unethical men like Helmke, the term "assault weapon" has evolved into a political term that can be applied to almost any semi-automatic firearm, even though using it thus is factually incorrect.
Alabama has the fifth-highest gun death rate in America, including the third-highest rate of gun homicide.
"This man needed the firepower of assault weapons to execute his plan of mass carnage. Alabama, and our nation, must take action to make it harder for dangerous people to get dangerous weapons," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign.
The "firepower" of these weapons— or rather, the lack of it—may be directly responsible for the fact that two or more law enforcement officers who confront the gunman are alive today.
The Bushmaster rifle the murderer carried fires an intermediate caliber .223 Remington cartridge with a lightweight, high-velocity bullet generally considered to small and weak to use on deer-sized targets, and is instead typically used on much smaller game. The officers that he shot were protected in large part because the lightweight bullets fired were easily slowed, stopped, or deflected by their police cars, resulting in officers that were mildly wounded instead of being more seriously wounded or killed. If the shooter had used any one of many popular big game hunting cartridges...
The simple fact of the matter is that this deranged and vengeful man could have carried out his murderous assault with the shotgun he also had in his vehicle (the one that Brady curiously forgot to mention) and could have caused as much damage and loss of life as he did, or worse.
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February 26, 2009
Is Eric Holder Too Ignorant to Be Attorney General?
Sadly, competence is not a requirement for the position of Attorney General, as Obama Attorney General Eric Holder proved
beyond the shadow of a doubt:
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon.
That someone can be so uninformed and hold the position he does boggles the mind.
The "gun show loophole" is myth. It simply doesn't exist.
According to ignorant people—and sadly, this includes our neophyte President and AG Holder—people can walk into a gun show and face an entirely different set of rules than they would elsewhere.
This is a bald-faced lie.
Whether at his storefront location or at a gun show, a gun dealer must follow the exact same federal laws, which include filling out a form 4473, checking for valid ID, and running a FBI background check.
Private sellers, whether in their homes or at a gun show, do not have to fill out paperwork of any sort or complete a background check.
As for "cop killer" bullets, perhaps the ignoramus in charge of Justice should learn to read. Such bullets have been banned for 21 years. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised as all if these left wing gun confiscation fans in the Obama White House and Pelosi/Reid Congress try to redefine what constitutes "armor-piercing" so that most rifle and pistol bullets fall into that category.
As for assault weapons...
If one was, say, a Constitutional law professor—or even marginally literate—one would note that when the founders created the Bill of Rights and wrote the Second Amendment, they were concerned with making sure that citizens had the right to bear arms suitable for use in the militia. The Second Amendment was not about hunting, nor target shooting, except that those pursuits enhanced the militia's ability to field qualified riflemen for militia service.
Further, what the media and other anti-gun organizations have dubbed "assault weapons" are not actually assault weapons; true AWs are intermediate-caliber, selective-fire weapons, meaning they are capable of automatic fire or single-shots by the manipulation of a selector switch. Contrary to popular belief, automatic weapons, including real assault rifles, have never been illegal in the United States.
There are roughly 240,000 machine guns in civilian hands. Roughly half of those belong to law enforcement agencies, and the other half belong to civilians just like you and me. Just two have ever been used in crime, and one of those was by a corrupt police officer using a department-issued submachine gun to kill an informant.
The firearms Barack Obama and Eric Holder and their anti-Constitutional friends would like to ban are semi-automatic firearms that look identical to commonly-issued military assault rifles, use the same magazines, and fire the same cartridges. The big difference is that these firearms can only fire one shot per trigger pull, just like every other firearm in America.
Being nearly identical to the M14 battle rifle, M16 assault rifle, and M4 carbines issued to our front-line troops, civilian "assault rifles" are precisely the kind of firearms best suited for militia duty. As such, it is only logical that our Founding Fathers would recognize these firearms as precisely those weapons they sought to protect by their function and utility.
The Second Amendment was not written to protect your right to hunt doves or deer. It was not written to protect your right to shoot at paper targets.
The Second Amendment was written so that the militia—codified as all able-bodied men between 17-45—would have ready access to arms suitable for military duty. No firearm in America today fits the definition the Founders intended as well as what Eric Holder and Barack Obama would seek to make illegal.
I suspect, sadly, that they are well aware of this, and they will not let a little thing like the Constitution stand in the way of whatever it is that they desire.
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The Second Amendment was written to protect our country from what nObama and his croneys are trying to do to us now!
Posted by: Rich in KC at February 26, 2009 12:21 PM (siQqy)
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"I suspect, sadly, that they are well aware of this, and they will not let a little thing like the Constitution stand in the way of whatever it is that they desire."
You give them way too much credit.
They are absolutely clueless, or suffer from a mental disorder.
Either way, we're screwed if we don't fight this.
Posted by: EJ Smith at February 26, 2009 01:07 PM (AwOS7)
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What do Democrats propose to achieve cooperation from criminals?
Posted by: Rick at February 26, 2009 01:41 PM (FWmwx)
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The Obies are sick of the old rules, even the ones they don't know. Is there any topic, even abortion, that has a greater chance of overturning the Dem House majority than the 2nd Amm? And they are not just tinkering around the edges. They want EVERY Brady Campaign talking point transformed into federal law when possible or policy if not. The Dem legislative majorities rest on a Red to Blue mutation in many districts that is just four years old. Are they so stupid that they think they have been ordained rather than elected? It sure looks that way. These doofs need un-electing and pronto. Your allegedly moderate neighbors are key. They must know of these things. Tell them.
Posted by: megapotamus at February 26, 2009 01:50 PM (LF+qW)
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"What do Democrats propose to achieve cooperation from criminals?"
expect? Criminals got them where they are today...
And when law abiding citizens are disarmed, criminals will have a field day. Of course criminals will support a ban on weapons, it will affect everyone except them.
Posted by: J.T. Wenting at February 26, 2009 02:33 PM (hrLyN)
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It's more symbolism over substance. If they pass an unconstitutional law, and a court overturns it, then they can rally the troops to point out the need to get more liberals in the courts. Holder is simply pandering to their base.
Posted by: MrSpkr at February 27, 2009 03:30 PM (bkUsA)
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I was speaking to someone that deals with HR and this was their response to holder's talk about Race thing- which just underlines his ignorance as an AG!
"And as to AG Holder - the biggest, GIANT thing that jumped out at me about what he said, in regard to "that we should all go into work today and have a frank discussion about race" was HOLY COW! Title 7 (which is actual legislation, something you would think that the AG would know about) specifically prohibits this kind of conversation to be initiated in the workplace, as contributing to a potentially hostile work environment. Although I think it would be interesting to have a frank discussion about race with my friends, I would never, ever broach this as a topic at work. It's illegal. Again, you'd think the AG would know this."
Posted by: Scott at February 27, 2009 06:05 PM (Lj0BN)
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"Is Eric Holder Too Ignorant to Be Attorney General?"
I'll take that as sarcasm as I consider them to be very intelligent and smart in their political maneuverings. Your surmise that they don't care one wit if the Constitution stands between them and where they want to go is accurate. They'll push right on through, take routes to evade it, or change them, as they do with all the other laws, rules or regulations they don't like. After all, that's writing on paper and they know laws, rules and regulations can't fight back, only other people can.
Just say no.
Posted by: Dusty at February 28, 2009 08:08 AM (4sMx3)
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May I add a bit of technical information? Words matter, thus have liberals become “progressives.” There is no such thing as an “assault weapon.” The term is a cynical and deceptive invention of the gun banners whose internal documents long ago revealed their intention to play on the lack of technical knowledge of the general public by trying to turn every firearm that resembles a machinegun into a machinegun. The correct term is “assault rifle,” which describes a class of shoulder fired, gas operated, detachable box magazine fed rifles and carbines which fire an intermediate rifle cartridge, and which are capable of selective (semiautomatic and fully automatic) fire. Such firearms are not available to the general public, only semiautomatic look-alike versions. The media, never known for their knowledge of firearm technology, to say nothing of honesty where firearm issues are concerned, have gladly played along, often using video of machineguns firing to illustrates stories about semiautomatic firearms. Semiautomatic technology is more than a century old.
The M14, by the way, is part of a class or firearms properly termed battle rifles. These rifles fire a full power rifle cartridge. The first generation of true battle rifles, such as the Springfield, Mauser and Lee-Enfield were bolt action rifles, but those currently in use, such as the M14, FN-FAL or G3 are shoulder fired, semiautomatic, detachable box magazine fed rifles (not carbines). The M1 Garand was something of a transitional weapon between generations. It is the only widely available rifle that fires from a “clip,” the much misused term for “magazine” (pistols also fire from magazines, not “clips”). While a few of these rifles have been produced in fully automatic versions, the overwhelming majority of battle rifles produced and issued have been semiautomatic only because the cartridges are just too powerful, when fired in a standard weight rifle, to be controllable with fully automatic fire. The much larger and heavier guns developed from battle rifles are properly termed light machine guns.
There is also no such thing as “cop killer bullets.” When, more than two decades ago, the gun banners came up with the term (yes, they invented a term, once again, for something that doesn’t exist, just like the “gun show loophole”), their intention was to ban any cartridge capable of penetrating the body armor commonly worn by police officers. This would, of course, encompass virtually all rifle ammunition and some handgun rounds, as well as all truly armor piercing ammunition, which was never the true target of their banning dreams. To thwart them, the NRA worked with Congress to ban actual armor piercing rounds, which ban is still in effect. Only the military and law enforcement may legally possess such specialty ammunition.
It should also be noted the the gun banners did not do this out of respect or fondness for the police. Most police officers (most big city police executives excluded) hate gun banners, and the feeling is mutual. Why? Most cops actually support the Constitution, and when the Brady bunch and their pals invented the cop killer bullet controversy, practical, affordable body armor was becoming commonplace among the police, but that fact wasn’t widely known. By publicizing it, the gun banners informed criminals, who began shooting for the heads of cops. Since then, many officers have died from neck and head wounds. I was a cop back then. Many of my compatriots would have loved to have introduced the gun banners to some “cop killer bullets.” Since the ban of these rare rounds, the number of officers injured or killed by actual armor piercing ammunition remains virtually non-existent. Banning “cop killer bullets” is, and always was, a solution in search of a problem.
So we have an attorney general who is either a gun banner, and thus a liar, who knows nothing about firearm technology, or both. In either case, he, and many members of the Obama administration, seem blissfully willing to violate theirs oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution.
Posted by: MIke at February 28, 2009 12:16 PM (tCJgQ)
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Great post Mike. But one correction.
"The much larger and heavier guns developed from battle rifles are properly termed light machine guns."
A machine gun firing a "full powered" round would be a medium machine gun. A machine gun firing a round intermediate between "full powered" and pistol rounds would be a light machine gun.
Posted by: Matt at March 01, 2009 08:40 AM (rHW2R)
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Dear Matt:
Thanks for the compliment on the post, but by light machinegun, I'm referring to weapons such as the BAR, which fires the same, full-sized 30.06 rifle cartridge as the Springfield and the Garand. Similar weapons have been based on the FN-FAL and variants of the Kalashnikov family. Not true general purpose machineguns such as the M-60, they are all attempts, successful to varying degrees, to provide fully automatic capability with full powered rifle cartridges such as the 30.06, .308, even .303 (the Bren Gun) by increasing the weight and general robustness of battle rifle designs to make the weapons reasonably controllable without the weight and bulk of a general purpose machinegun. MPMG's are the weapon class between light machineguns and heavy machineguns such as the venerable Browning M2. The most common American equivalent is the contemporary SAW, or Squad Automatic Weapon, which is one man portable and fires the .223/5.56mm M-16 family round from a belt, a 200 round battle pack or M-16 magazines. It is merely a continuation of development of light machineguns that use the predominant military rifle cartridge, though certainly not a full powered (battle) rifle cartridge.
Posted by: Mike at March 01, 2009 05:10 PM (tCJgQ)
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The Second Amendment was not written to protect your right to hunt doves or deer. It was not written to protect your right to shoot at paper targets.
The Second Amendment was written so that the militia—codified as all able-bodied men between 17-45—would have ready access to arms suitable for military duty.
Sounds as though you'd have no problem with bans on handguns, shotguns, and concealed carry laws which certainly have nothing at all to do with military duty. Sounds good to me.
I'm not as sold though on the idea that being an 17-45 male is the equivalent of being in a well trained militia but that may be an argument for another time.
Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2009 02:45 AM (jHMRy)
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"I'm not as sold though on the idea that being an 17-45 male is the equivalent of being in a well trained militia but that may be an argument for another time."
George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott, Debates, 425-426)
Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 178
Back in the 18th century, a "regular" army meant an army that had standard military equipment. So a "well regulated" army was simply one that was "well equipped." It does NOT refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term "STANDING Army" to describe a professional army. THEREFORE, "a well regulated militia" only means a well equipped militia. It does not imply the modern meaning of "regulated," which means controlled or administered by some superior entity. Federal control over the militia comes from other parts of the Constitution, but not from the second amendment.
Posted by: Matt at March 02, 2009 12:18 PM (rHW2R)
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You sorry rebish crackers.....you will never admit that a Black man is smarter than you......that is your problem. You are so ignorant about the truth...you post stupid stuff on these confed....%^())$## web sites. That only stupid people like you read.
An assault rifle is no weapon to be in any man's hand. Then you get upset when your kids are wiped out by one of your nutty brats that you raised with the notion that they are superior to everyone. Grow up....read a book....get understanding....stop being a bigot...white is not right!
Posted by: Auntflossie1 at March 02, 2009 01:41 PM (UYut9)
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Auntflossie.
The only person I see spreading hate or ignorance on this thread is you.
Posted by: Matt at March 02, 2009 03:22 PM (rHW2R)
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And for the record.
This is me. http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/Matt0921/Matt3004.jpg
Holy crap, a black man that doesn't agree with Nobama.
Oh and here is my wife.
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss57/Matt0921/NATASHA.jpg
Yup, thats right. She is of middle eastern background.
Posted by: Matt at March 02, 2009 03:41 PM (rHW2R)
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George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott, Debates, 425-426)
Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 178
Thanks for the response and the quotes Matt, Founders intent is certainly key here. To be clear I don't believe either Mason or Lee is saying being an adult male means you are a militia. They are saying the well regulated militias
should include participation from every adult male. Turning 16 or 17 doesn't make one a trained defender of freedom, it makes you eligible.
The Court has been very clear on this, whether I agree or not, and they found an individual right to arms irrespective of the militia wording. I have no problem with that at all, the Court has the final say here and I'm agnostic on the issue.
I was really more curious about the argument that military weapons are the only ones that should be protected under the 2nd, and would love to here from the original author if he thinks pistols etc... lack 2nd amendment protection. It's something I had not heard from a gun supported before.
Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2009 06:29 PM (GStBc)
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"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." Tenche Coxe,
Did you miss the part about what they meant by well regulated?
Anyway. I must have read something wrong, because I do not believe anyone said that military type arms should be the only ones protected, because every type of arms can be used to defend yourself against a tyrannical government. Though some are better suited for it than others.
Posted by: Matt at March 02, 2009 06:41 PM (rHW2R)
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Hey Matt the point about military arms in from the original post by Confederate Yankee, here is the part I'm referencing:
The Second Amendment was not written to protect your right to hunt doves or deer. It was not written to protect your right to shoot at paper targets. The Second Amendment was written so that the militia—codified as all able-bodied men between 17-45—would have ready access to arms suitable for military duty. No firearm in America today fits the definition the Founders intended as well as what Eric Holder and Barack Obama would seek to make illegal.
When I read that it sounds as though he thinks the Founders would rather you and I had access to RPGs than a Glock. Maybe throw in an M1A2 as well.
Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2009 08:34 PM (GStBc)
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What is the change promised by the annointed one - easy...a chang ein the constitution.
These people swear to uphold the constitution, they swear on a bible but lie through their teeth.
I see a massive tea party in the works!
Posted by: Patriot61 at March 02, 2009 08:40 PM (6VxJD)
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Jim,
I didn't define what the Founders would prescribe because I can't get in their heads and wouldn't presume to talk for them, but let's go ahead and do that for fun since that is where you seem to want to take the conversation.
I suspect that if faced with the array of modern weapons systems and the factors of modern life, they would
probably be of a mind that small arms in the form of individual firearms (not crew-served weapons) would probably be the modern equivalent of what they envisioned for the militia.
That would mean either the battle rifles and assault rifles carried by the militia in relatively "pure" forms (which would include selective-fire rifles and what we now classify as SBRs), or the reasonably similar semi-automatic copies that are legal under our present laws. It would also cover most handguns and shotguns that might have practical military application, and certainly long-range rifles, including those chambered in .50 BMG.
I don't honestly know where they would stand on the idea of individually-portable light machine guns such as SAWs like the M249, and rather doubt they'd be huge fans of rocket-assisted anti-tank weapons and 20mm-25mm anti-material cannons.
As for the big stuff--armor, ships, aircraft, etc... clearly not what they had in mine for a militia, and yet a friend of mine legally owns his own Fletcher-class Destroyer (DD-574
John Rodgers), which they probably wouldn't have envisioned either.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at March 02, 2009 09:56 PM (Fe6uK)
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a friend of mine legally owns his own Fletcher-class Destroyer (DD-574 John Rodgers), which they probably wouldn't have envisioned either.
Awesome, any chance he offers charters?
Thanks for your response, lot's to think about.
Posted by: Jim at March 02, 2009 10:14 PM (GStBc)
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Sadly, I can't help you on the charters. It's presently stuck dockside across from a Mexican Naval Base on the Pacific.
And I've already called "dibs" on the next big ship he's going after as well. :-)
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at March 02, 2009 10:17 PM (Fe6uK)
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I can't remember who said it, and I can't seem to find a quote. But essentially one of the framers was asked what arms the people should own. They said those that were not dangerous or unusual. When asked to define dangerous or unusual the framer said something to the effect of. Any weapon a normal soldier would likely be trained to use.
As "normal soldiers" are trained in the use of everything from grenades, and medium and light machine guns, then it is likely that crew serves and what not would be viewed as acceptable.
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February 25, 2009
What's The Matter with Illinois?
And why do they keep freedom-hating urban Democrats?
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The one-party Democrat rule of Illinois is quite possibly at an end - but the Republicans have a remarkably thin bench, and were all but put out of the game by that previous crooked governor George Ryan (R.-Jail).
Asking Illinoians who to vote for is like asking them which would they rather be shot by: a Smith & Wesson, or a Glock?
Posted by: Ken McCracken at February 25, 2009 11:26 PM (AMvip)
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Be real. Illinois is controlled by Chicago. Who controls Chicago? The mob, by whatever name. One could say the Daily machine but I consider that a distinction w/o a difference.
When personal freedom is restricted, it creates opportunities for corruption. Hence personal freedom is not in the interests of the people who run Illinois.
Posted by: Unnamed Coward at February 26, 2009 11:19 AM (q6tuN)
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The Daley Machine is not the Mafia. It is an old-school feudal aristocracy. Daley is a Duke of Chicago, with his own set of courtiers. The elections only matter for Aldermen, and even then they are often unfair.
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February 03, 2009
Second Amendment Demonstration In Raleigh Tomorrow
Mike at Cold Fury pinged me to let me know that Bubba is organizing a demonstration in front of the North Carolina State Legislature tomorrow to remind them that our rights
Shall Not Be Infringed:
February 4, 2009
2:00 till 6:00pm.
Raleigh, North Carolina
W. Jones St, from Salisbury St to Wilmington St,
facing the State Legislature.
Join with hundreds of fellow Americans, peaceably assembled to seek a redress of grievances from government officials who are not respecting our Constitutional Civil Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
As American citizens , We have a responsibility to protect and preserve ALL of the rights, freedoms and protections guaranteed ALL Americans by the Bill of Rights and the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments. These are our Constitutional civil rights and liberties, they are a birth right of ALL Americans extended to all naturalized citizens.
Call them Constitutional Rights, Civil Rights or Civil Liberties they are one and the same and mean as much to tens of millions of gun owners, conservatives and Constitutionalists as do other Civil Rights to other groups of people.
No more gun bigotry, No more infringement.
In addition to the gun bans currently being advocated by the Obama White House and some members of Congress, there are some moves afoot here in North Carolina (and in other states) where MoveOn.Org-affiliated groups and individuals are pushing for gun registration, ammunition licensing, and other pre-confiscatory schemes.
If you can make it, be there. If you aren't nearby, perhaps you might be able to find or organize a similar event near you.
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Oaky, I'll bite. Clearly, it's Greek. Translation, please?
Posted by: Stoutcat at February 04, 2009 10:11 AM (kKdtK)
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WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATIONÂ…
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
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Go Bubba, wish I could be there with you all!
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January 21, 2009
Whitehouse.gov Contradicts Obama's Gun Claims
Despite numerous public claims in the past that he would leave gun owners alone, reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban and enacting other restrictions are very much on Barack Obama's "Urban Policy" agenda.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/
Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
The Tiahrt Amendment does not unduly restrict law enforcement investigations; to the contrary, it keeps law enforcement agencies honest, making sure they cannot abuse gun trace data. Both the BATFE and FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) oppose the release of the information protected by the Tiahrt Amendment citing a threat to on-going investigations and to the lives of undercover officers and informants.
So if law enforcement agencies get all the trace data they need to solve specific crimes and law enforcement itself is against repealing Tiahrt, why would Obama be for it? Some would speculate that Obama's fellow gun-banning proponents such as Chicago Mayor Daley and New York Mayor Bloomberg might find a way to use this data to fire off another round of lawsuits hoping to cripple or bankrupt the gun industry.
As for "commonsense measures," the man who tried to corrupt constitutional scholarship and doled out funds to some of the most rabid anti-gun groups in the United States simply has no credibility for having common sense on the matter, as he's supported outright bans and has been openly hostile to firearm owners in the past.
As for the infamous "gun show loophole," it is completely false, a myth. It simply doesn't exist.
The same gun store dealers that perform background checks at their retail locations are required by law to perform those same background checks at gun shows. Private sellers have never been required to perform a background check anywhere, whether selling it in a person-to-person sale at a gun show or in their home. The only reason to push for such legislation is to further erode the rights of Americans and expand government control in your lives.
As for "childproofing guns," there is no proven or near-term solution that can both render a firearm inoperable for some users and still leave it reliable enough for use as a self defense weapon for law enforcement or civilian use. Various gimmicks have been trotted out in the past; all have been commercial failures because the inherent unreliability of such systems compromises the confidence of the shooter, and their faith in the tool.
Further, "childproofing guns" is not something that can be done retroactively, meaning tens of millions of existing guns would either need to be grandfathered—rendering the law immediately useless—or the guns themselves would have to be modified to comply with the law at taxpayer expense. How many billions of our tax dollars does President Obama intend to spend assuring compliance of a law that makes a potentially deadly tool unreliable in the hands of those most prone to needing it in a time of life-threatening danger? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Expansive gun laws aren't about saving lives, but asserting control.
As for reinstating the laughably ineffective Assault Weapons Ban—which Joe Biden still inexplicably like to take credit for authoring despite its utter failure—this too, is an attempt to control the lives and rights of law-abiding Americans, and an attempt that has a well-documented history of accomplishing next to nothing.
During the life of the ban (1994-2004) semi-automatic rifles and pistols increased in sales and became more widespread. So-called "assault rifles" and high capacity magazines sold in higher numbers than ever before during the ban. It did so because then Senator Biden and his fellow gun-banners are idiots, outlawing cosmetic features, knowing that a law affecting how the guns actually work would never stand a constitutional challenge. As a result, firearms that were "assault weapons" the day before the ban drops several scary-looking features that did not slow their rate of fire or affect their accuracy, and were legal again the very next day.
Below on the left is the infamous TEC-9 that Congressmen and Senators made such a big deal of being a preferred weapon of gangs and drug dealers. Beside it is the cynically-named AB-10, the "After-ban" version of the exact same gun that was legally on store shelves the day the ban took effect.
The law did not save lives, though it did have one interesting, unforeseen consequence: the creation of an entire new market of small, powerful handguns designed for concealed carry.
While the high capacity magazine ban portion of the ban raised the cost of magazines for existing models, it also had the unintended consequence of convincing gun designers that if they were restricted to guns that only carried ten-round magazines, then these guns needed to be small, light, concealable, and powerful. As concealed carry laws were becoming more widespread across the country during this same ten years, this new market exploded, creating a market niche and even created entire companies to cater to that market where none had before existed.
Barack Obama continues to lie to the public about his intentions towards our Second Amendment rights, but may end up doing nothing more than making the American people more heavily armed, and the shooting industry among the most recession-proof.
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The 2nd amendment is about to be trashed. Don't be surprised if the gun banners takes on your ammo supply, too. A 300 pct tax on bullets will slow people down.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at January 21, 2009 11:17 PM (wRkgq)
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And this is a surprise?
Posted by: Adriane at January 21, 2009 11:48 PM (W7nzI)
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If Democrats were serious about gun control, then they need do only one thing, actually prosecute criminals caught with illegal weapons. Suspects arrested in a couple recent cop killings in Philly, PA all have multiple previous gun charges against them that were dropped, never prosecuted. Not only that, if they think that gun crime is so bad, how about executing criminals whose crimes result in the death of any victims. They claim that the death penalty does not deter crime. That is not true because we have yet to test whether it does. 1000 executions over 20+ years of the death penalty nowhere near matches the 14,000 murders a year....
Posted by: Fred Fry at January 22, 2009 07:51 AM (JXdhy)
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In the past year, I rejoined the NRA and increased my gun collection by five - two .45s, a Shotgun, a .22 rifle and an M1 Garand.
As a hedge against excise taxes on ammunition, I bought a Lyman Crusher single stage press and all the accessories to reload .45 ACP. I have about 500 brass cases and when I shoot box ammo, I clean it up adding to my reloading stock. CCI Blazer ammo goes for 38¢ a round and I can reload for about 26¢. So far, I've bought enough Red Dot powder to load 5,500 rounds. This week I will stock up on CCI primers. If bullets get too expensive, I'll cast my own.
I can't justify reloading 30-06 when I can buy Lake City M2 .30 Cal ball at 28¢/round. Recurring reloading cost 40¢. For me, maintaining basic rifle proficiency takes less practice than shooting the 45. I'm planning to buy 5,000 M2 rounds this Winter.
I am considering buying a cheap handgun and an M1 barreled receiver. Since I have a concealed carry permit, if there is an unconstitutional handgun registration or outright ban, I could throw them those two.
Posted by: arch at January 22, 2009 08:40 AM (ZZW37)
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Concerned Citizen, that will be interesting since I reload my own ammo. I can even make my own bullets and, push come to shove, black powder (although smokeless is a little out of my league...for now).
Arch, my carry piece is a Glock 29 in 10mm. For 50 rounds of the cheap, remanufactured stuff, it's $33. I can load 50 for around $9. For my Evil Black Rifle, I shoot 6.8SPC which is $1 a round. I can reload for $.30 or so. For .45ACP, I think my cost is like $.09 a round (since I can use non-jacketed lead).
Granted, I don't save money, I just end up shooting more. But it also gives me practically everything I need to avoid any new taxes on ammo. I'm stocking up on primers, too. Having a few thousand on hand is a good idea since they're the most difficult part of ammunition to make on your own.
Posted by: Robb Allen at January 22, 2009 10:11 AM (MPhK9)
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I posted this in the comments here the other day on this post:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/281442.php
This is the same passage he had on his campaign site, and then on change.gov. It's been on Obama's sites for months, and now it's just been transferred to the WH site. Why do people think this is new?
Posted by: stace at January 22, 2009 10:31 AM (JO0c/)
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Now is a good time for rights supporters to fortify their resolve to defend those rights with the full Founding Era facts about the Second Amendment.
The Origin of the Second Amendment is the only complete document collection of relevant period sources demonstrating the formation of the Second Amendment as part of the U.S. Bill of Rights.
The Founders' View of the Right to Bear Arms is the first book-length definitive history of the Second Amendment. It is fully documented and based directly on those Founding Era sources, and it traces every term and phrase of the Second Amendment back to its original AMERICAN use and author.
These two books taken together were cited a total of over 175 times in the
U.S. v Emerson and
Parker/Heller cases. There is a simple reason for this reliance. These books present the actual facts about our Bill of Rights heritage based on the Founders' own views.
Read the Founders' reasons and sources for development of the Second Amendment and Bill of Rights. You will never regret having done so.
Posted by: David E. Young at January 22, 2009 10:55 AM (rQ6X1)
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If Obama & Co. are actually bone-headed enough to try reimposing the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban," then I would propose the legislation be named, "The Organized Crime Full-Employment Act of 2009."
Hell, His Majesty can't (or won't) control the flow of illegal aliens and illicit drugs into this country. So how in f*** does he think he'll be able to stop the flow of semi- and auto-firearms that can be easily broken down into their component parts, smuggled across the border, and then quickly reassembled in safe houses?
Posted by: MarkJ at January 22, 2009 11:24 AM (ZFVlP)
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Mark -
He doesn't. He's counting on the fact that the majority of Americans are law-abiding, and won't knowingly break a law simply because it's the law.
I expect a major increase in outlaws.
Posted by: brian at January 22, 2009 01:12 PM (PC3tf)
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Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans.
Gun owners are generally clueless about the threat the Drug War poses to their rights.
Watch - 2,000 guns a day go South to Mexico while drugs come North will be the PR gimmick.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 22, 2009 02:20 PM (OANt1)
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"The Organized Crime Full-Employment Act of 2009."
Sounds like a good name for his stimulus plan.
Posted by: Seerak at January 22, 2009 02:22 PM (RJmST)
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He just took an oath (twice!) to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Isn't failing to fulfill that oath an impeachable offense?
Posted by: Just Askin' at January 22, 2009 02:43 PM (esv00)
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"As a hedge against excise taxes on ammunition, I bought a Lyman Crusher single stage press and all the accessories to reload
Posted by: arch at January 22, 2009 08:40 AM"
Right there with you.
Oct. I bought a Dillon Press,Die's for 44 mag.,357 mag.,45 cal.,and 308 cal.
I live in NC.(lots of deer hunting)so I am thinking about 30-06 because I want to be able to load for friends and others when these taxes hit.
Here we had an ex-Redskin football player (D) that was on the radio 24/7 telling everybody that Obama was not going to go after their guns and respect their 2nd amendment rights.
I knew this was a lie and going to come back and bite them in the a$$.
Hope it matters in 2010 when this "hope and change" cult is exposed for the paparazzi it is.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:21 AM (5NHPy)
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This may be cynical,but I bought these a lot cheaper during the ban:
Colt..AR-15..223 cal.
Rock river..AR-15...7.62 cal.
Colt..AR-15...7.62 cal.(pre-ban)
Ak-47..Romanian (3 of them)
Ak-47...Bulgarian (2 of them)
(Bought a Stag Arms AR-15..6.8 after the ban)
I got them for half of what they are charging for these same guns now since the ban expired.
There may be other reasons for the price increases but I am saying I noticed a remarkable increase at gun shows after the ban expired.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:30 AM (5NHPy)
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This may be cynical,but I bought these a lot cheaper during the ban:
Colt..AR-15..223 cal.
Rock river..AR-15...7.62 cal.
Colt..AR-15...7.62 cal.(pre-ban)
Ak-47..Romanian (3 of them)
Ak-47...Bulgarian (2 of them)
(Bought a Stag Arms AR-15..6.8 after the ban)
I got them for half of what they are charging for these same guns now since the ban expired.
There may be other reasons for the price increases but I am saying I noticed a remarkable increase at gun shows after the ban expired.
Posted by: Baxter Greene at January 23, 2009 03:32 AM (5NHPy)
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Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans.
Posted by: the pistolero at January 23, 2009 01:36 PM (kXDSR)
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"Drug War deaths will be used to justify gun bans."
A-yep. As long as you have a War On Drugs, you will have a War On Guns to go with it.
Posted by: the pistolero at January 23, 2009 01:38 PM (kXDSR)
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I don't remember ever hearing Obama saying that he would "leave gun owners alone", rather he always said that he wasn't going to "take away your guns".
He was very careful to phrase it that way, to include stopping in the middle of a sentence and restarting it so that it was a proclamation of his claim to never confiscate guns from gun owners and nothing more. When you're listening to a politician or a lawyer (and even more so when he's both) pay careful to what he says and what he doesn't say and the exact choice of words, because you can be sure that he is.
He has nothing against banning sales or transfers of all kinds of guns. This includes transfers to an heir upon your death. He would have no problems with ammo restrictions, licensing or registration requirements, increased gun/ammo taxes, bans on semi-auto guns, concealed carry bans, etc. In fact, he's proclaimed each of these as what he wants at various times during his tenure and during the campaign.
But, I figure he will be true to his word and not actually take away your guns. That's a very small consolation.
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January 15, 2009
Crap Shoot
When I wrote
Six Months Under The Gun for Pajamas Media, one aspect of carrying a concealed weapon that I decided not to cover was what you should do with your firearm if you have to use a public toilet. While it can constitute a legitimate dilemma when you
gotta go gotta go gotta go right now, I figured people would be able to figure it out on their own.
I was wrong.
The man escaped with a few cuts to his arm, but the toilet made out much worse. Police say a man's gun fell out of its holster while he pulled up his pants after using the bathroom at a Carl's Jr. restaurant Tuesday. The gun fired when it hit the floor and shattered the commode.
I'll simply say this: if you are going to carry, you need to carry your firearm in a holster that holds it securely at all times.
I don't know what the specifics of the Utah criminal justice system would say about this particular incident, but as the permit holder is responsible for all negligent discharges no matter how amusing or bizarre it may be, I would not be surprised if his carry permit is revoked as a result of this incident.
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"negligent discharges"
Umm, that's perhaps not the most fortunate choice of words in this situation....
Posted by: notropis at January 16, 2009 12:38 AM (S8o6Z)
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I call bullsh*t on this story.
A Kahr will not discharge if dropped; nor will a Glock or any other modern pistol. If the trigger is not pulled, the internal safety is not disengaged.
Posted by: GunPlumber at January 16, 2009 08:50 AM (6NAS5)
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The question, then, is what was he carrying?
If an older design, or a more modern weapon in poor shape, or suffering from user-made modifications or factory defects, it could still potentially fail.
Stranger things have happened. Granted not
much stranger...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 16, 2009 08:56 AM (gAi9Z)
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Sorry for the pun - but this guy's story doesn't pass the smell test. Prob'ly was sitting there on the throne playing with the firearm when he ND'd. Damn lucky he(or an unfortunate bystander) wasn't more seriously injured...
Posted by: Diogenes at January 16, 2009 09:13 AM (2MrBP)
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I concur with those who think there was more to this story (that is, that the gun was mishandled rather than dropped). Thankfully no one other than the owner was hurt. At the least, he needs a remedial course on gun safety, but don't know that his permit should be pulled. As a poor parallel, would it not be like pulling someone's driver's license if that person swerved off the road and destroyed a row of mailboxes?
Posted by: Michael at January 16, 2009 10:00 AM (I6CjA)
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I wear a Bianchi Model 82 Carrylock holster. It keeps my Model 1911 in close enough to my side not to be obvious. There is a locking mechanism that holds the trigger guard until you depress the handle with your middle finger. It took me a few days to get used to it, but provides excellent security. It's available for most pistols. I think it set me back about $60.
http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=82
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December 24, 2008
David Spade's Arms Deal
The former
Just Shoot Me star made a grand gesture to the Phoenix Police Department, giving them funds to equip their officers with AR-15 rifles to counter the firepower of increasingly violent Mexican drug cartels.
The thing is, Spade's donation doesn't seem to be going as far as it should.
The Phoenix Police Department has gotten some high-powered goodies courtesy of actor David Spade.
The one-time Phoenix resident donated $100,000 so that the department can buy approximately 50 AR-15 rifles.
Spade said he wanted to make the donation after seeing a TV news report about Phoenix officers having to buy their own rifles. Spade grew up in the Phoenix area and graduated from Arizona State University.
Phoenix Police Sgt. Alan Hill says the rifles will be given to patrol officers and that the agency was grateful for the gifts.
But how is Spade's donation of $100,000 leading to just 50 rifles for PPD patrol officers?
Even with the tremendous increase in demand due to the election of Barack Obama, the Phoenix Police should be able to get AR-15 carbines for far less than $2,000 a copy that the story seems to indicate.
The Bushmaster Patrolmans' Carbine, an M4-style AR-15 marketed to law enforcement, retails for less than $1,300, roughly the same as a similar version made by Smith & Wesson. And these are premium AR-style rifles at retail prices—there is no reason on the earth that a bulk agency purchase can't buy these rifles for less than a thousand dollars (the automatic M-16 has a replacement to the military of $586).
If Spade's donation is also helping purchase ammunition, magazines, cleaning kits, and/or officer training for these rifles as well, then he's not getting a bad value for his donated dollars. I would hope that his generous donation isn't being squandered on over-priced weapons, or the appearance of the same created by journalists guilty once again of not thoroughly covering a story.
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Bang for the buck aside (pun intended), that's a pretty cool bit of charitable work by Spade.
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 24, 2008 10:46 PM (fBnZs)
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Will La Raza and MEChA now condemn Spade and call for a boycott of any movie in which he appears?
Posted by: zhombre at December 25, 2008 12:03 PM (w8VN7)
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Phoenix PD should be able to get surplus M-16s from the DoD via DRMO, and the cost would be pennies compared to $2k a pop like I have seen reported.
Posted by: Mark at December 26, 2008 08:01 AM (lcisk)
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More than likely this donation is being fleeced, as is often the case with govt. purchases.
Posted by: Dude at December 26, 2008 09:01 AM (byA+E)
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...or maybe the rifles are equipped with some kind of scope or rail system. $2k doesn't sound unreasonable for a Patrolman's carbine + ACOG, for example. Let's hold off until we get the details.... and even if the money isn't being spent wisely, it's certainly not David Spade's fault.
Posted by: rosignol at December 26, 2008 07:42 PM (XMy8S)
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Wouldn't Mini-14's be cheaper?
Posted by: PA at December 27, 2008 01:57 AM (Z0HFQ)
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Let's hold off until we get the details....
Rots o' Ruck. That course of action doesn't seem to be the Right-Wing Echo Machine's strong suit.
The reporter undoubtedly asked the PPD public relations officer, "So what'll you get for $100,000?" And the guy said, "Approximately 50 AR-15 rifles." And now it's the reporter's fault. Why? Because he's a reporter. Nice, CY. And this New Media approach is better than the old one how...?
Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at December 27, 2008 08:56 AM (CwxZw)
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And this New Media approach is better than the old one how...?
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Hey, ask a stupid question... ;-)
Posted by: Templar at December 28, 2008 05:53 PM (wfAl5)
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Like Rosignol says, if they're getting models with multiple-rail forends and lights, etc., and good optical sights, they price goes up. Fast. Add in ammo, maintenance kits, spare parts(if they're smart), that cuts down on how many.
Of course, if they're getting basic rifles, that's WAY too expensive.
Posted by: Firehand at December 29, 2008 09:53 AM (oHcWz)
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December 21, 2008
Good News: BB Guns Now Classified By Journalist as Assault Rifles
I sincerely hope than any journalist ignorant enough to write "BB-gun" and "snipers" in the same sentence doesn't have firearms of his own, or else he'll likely end up as another subject of my research at the
Media Violence Project (or a
Darwin Awards candidate).
Savor the idiocy:
Two alleged BB-gun snipers facing felony charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, used a laser scope and a BB gun that looks like a fully automatic AR-15 assault rifle, according to deputies with the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Station.
The arrests Tuesday night capped a two-month shooting spree with more than two-dozen shootings investigated since Nov. 1.
Victims include a 53-year-old man shot in the head and a 13-year-old girl waiting for a bus, both shot with a BB.
Christian Morfin, 18, of Saugus, and a 17-year-old Canyon Country male were booked at the Sheriff's Station on felony charges of vandalism and assault with a deadly weapon in connection with several shootings.
BB guns are not toys and some air rifles can fire BBs or pellets with more velocity than common handgun calibers. They can indeed kill under certain circumstances. That said, BB guns are not assault rifles even under the already incorrect definition widely used by journalists; do we really need them to re-dumb it downward again?
Update: More evidence that many journalists are simply too incompetent to write about firearms.
In April, officials announced that the police force's 13,500 officers would be armed with the M4s. Chicago Police SWAT teams are already equipped with M4 carbines, but officials say pistol-carrying rank-and-file officers are out-gunned.
Used by the U.S. Marine Corps, the M4 is an assault rifle that fires more shots in less time than a conventional handgun.
The obvious problems with Donovan's story:
- M4 carbines are not commonly used by the U.S. Marine Corps. With the exception of Special Operations forces, the general issue selective combat rifle of the Marine Corps is the M16, a weapon with a barrel almost six inches longer that generates far more bullet velocity and killing power and has a far more effective practical range. The much shorter M4 is prevalent among mounted infantry in the U.S. Army.
- The M4 does not "fires more shots in less time than a conventional handgun." Both police pistols and the M4s used by the CPD are semi-automatic, meaning they have the exact same rate of fire, one shot per trigger pull, as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger.
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Good News: BB Guns Now Classified By Journalist as Assault Rifles
Well, not so much (emphasis mine):
a BB gun that
looks like a fully automatic AR-15 assault rifle
Posted by: Mike's Dumbmerica at December 21, 2008 04:22 PM (CwxZw)
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You have got to be kidding me!
I have known a couple folks who were so rabidly anti gun and that they went so far as to ask neighbors if they were gun owners. Then they forbid their children from visiting or talking to the "offenders". They had a boy about my age, and my brother and I took him out shooting with us for a couple years, before they found out. They MOVED!
The offenders above were not supervised nor imparted with any moral values by their parents. My Dad did both with us boys. We had BB guns and a Pellet pistol when we were young. About Jr High, my Dad gave us a real gun. It was a .22 Remington single shot. My point is that the parents should have been taken to task.
I went on to score Marksman in the service.
Posted by: Marc Boyd at December 21, 2008 04:38 PM (Zoziv)
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Well, you CAN shoot your eye out, you know. or so I've heard.
Posted by: Vaultenblogger at December 21, 2008 04:47 PM (HG6DM)
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Can you tell what the media is blowing hot air up? Where it all headed?
The interesting thing is the Heller decision put those black rifles at the top of the protected list, ie the citizen militia's arms.
Posted by: bill-tb at December 21, 2008 06:05 PM (7evkT)
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Damn. When I think of all the BB gun wars we used to have as kids, little suspecting we were actually shooting each other with assault weapons. I was hit numerous times being a little slower than some of the older kids and don't seem to have suffered any lasting injuries.
But seriously, if a writer is going to write on a subject, he should at least take some effort to do just a little research.
Posted by: Outrider at December 21, 2008 07:06 PM (eu/JN)
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Bob:
Not to correct you per se, but the M-4, once the forte of SpecOps kids, is NOW the ubiquitous battle rifle here in Iraq.
Reason being is that the size of the full length M-16A2 variant was becoming a danger to the troops in the need for quick dismounting in firefight situations. The Shorty 14.5 Barrel and collapsable stock allows "Joe" to manuveur quickly out of a HMMWV as they are so encumbered by body armor and "Battle Rattle" that a full length "musket" as the A2 is jokingly refered to is a bit@h to get out of the truck with, as it can get hung up easier than a 14 inch 'Shorty.'
Otherwise, Live In Baghdad, Merry Christmas and God Bless the Troops!
Big Country
Posted by: Big Country at December 21, 2008 11:16 PM (vuy4X)
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BB guns are not assault rifles even under the already incorrect definition widely used by journalists; do we really need them to re-dumb it downward again?
Well, you might try working on your reading comprehension first.
Two alleged BB-gun snipers facing felony charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, used a laser scope and a BB gun that looks like a fully automatic AR-15 assault rifle, according to deputies with the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff's Station.
Notice that: (a) it doesn't say the gun
is an assault rifle, it says it
looks like an assault rifle, and (b) the description doesn't even come from the reporter but is attributed to the Sheriff's office. (I suppose you can quibble over whether a "fully automatic AR-15" is an AR-15 or an M-16, but, again, you'll have to take it up with the Sheriff.)
Posted by: Kevin T. Keith at December 21, 2008 11:47 PM (kIjU7)
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Kevin, perhaps you shouldn't question the reading comprehension of others, when you can't grasp that the article's headline was "Alleged BB gunmen collared: Teens had assault rifle."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 22, 2008 12:35 AM (HcgFD)
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Guns don't kill people. . . I lay my guns all the time and dare them to do so, but they just lay there and do nothing -
Posted by: Douglas V. Gibbs at December 22, 2008 12:36 AM (CPdDV)
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Wadda ya expect? Libtards HATE (shudder) guns, so there is no surprise that the frantic jibbering of uninformed, ignorant journalists pops up in almost every media item out there. The problem is, they transfer that hysteria to that part of the equaly ignorant sheeple out there too.
Posted by: Tonto at December 22, 2008 01:17 AM (Qv1xF)
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The media loves to whip people up in a frenzy over guns. There was a story printed on the Fox News website in the last few months reprinted from The Daily Mail (UK) that described a man being "gunned down" by a "gas-powered ball bearing pistol". Took me a second to realize they were talking about a BB gun.
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 22, 2008 01:43 AM (fBnZs)
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I was raised around weapons, as were my siblings. A weapon is a tool, which, if improperly used can be harmful. No different than a circular saw.
I have two daughters, now grown, that I put through a 2 day handgun self defense - safety course while they were still teenagers. I also bought them each a 40 S&W sidearm.
My sister, like most anti gun people, felt that her son should be kept insulated from guns, which means he never had any training or contact with firearms.
A short time after my daughters took their firearms course, my sister left her 16 year old son at home while visiting relatives. A friend of her son brought over a revolver over to her house and they played Russian roulette.
He lost.
Sometimes it is simple stupidity or ignorance that kills people.
Posted by: ex-wyo at December 22, 2008 01:50 AM (otiKq)
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If you look at what the Brady Gun Control advocates want, my Browning SA22 is an assault rifle because it is semi automatic, has a pistol grip and a 12 round 22 LR magazine.
The press are fanning the counterintuitive public hysteria over firearms and ignoring the facts. This month's American Rifleman has a piece about the 2007 FBI crime statistics - lowest in 30 years, lowest homicide rate in 40 years. Amazingly, there is a direct correlation between crime and gun bans. Where criminals know their victims have been disarmed by the law, they commit violent crimes with impunity. In states with right to carry laws, they are more cautious.
Posted by: arch at December 22, 2008 08:37 AM (sWq1L)
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Today's so-called "journalists" are very careless with words. This was demonstrated recently in an on-line news story that featured a photograph of a U.S. Navy fleet oiler. The caption beneath the photo identified it as a "battleship".
My late father started my firearms instruction when I was six. Upon going through Navy boot camp firearms familiarization (I won't call it "training"), I hit the bullseye with every round. My instructor stared at me for a moment and then asked: "Who taught you to shoot?" When I told him my dad had trained me since I was a kid, he looked down the firing line for a moment and said: "We could use him here."
The majority of newspeople today have zero firearms experience. They
fear firearms, and it's easy to demonize what you fear. A few weekends on the range with a good instructor would change a lot of attitudes. Well, at least perhaps modify a few.
Posted by: Just Askin' at December 22, 2008 08:59 AM (esv00)
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Kevin, perhaps you shouldn't question the reading comprehension of others, when you can't grasp that the article's headline was "Alleged BB gunmen collared: Teens had assault rifle."
Zing!
Headlines are those big bolded things at the top of the article.
That made my morning. I know a bunch of rabid anti-gun folks, and they have some weird logic.
Posted by: brando at December 22, 2008 09:31 AM (qzOby)
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Window glass doesn't fare well under sustained BB gun fire...or so I've heard.
Posted by: torabora at December 22, 2008 10:02 AM (chZf8)
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Essayons, that is actually true. Semiautomatic weapons have the exact same rate of fire.
If they're talking about the the number of BBs that can be fired before a "reload", well, that's just silly.
Cause that's what we're talking about isn't it? A BB gun. Nothing more. No, you really shouldn't shoot someone with a BB gun, but to get wrapped around the axle about what it looks like is goofy. It doesn't matter if it looks like a Dragunov. Or if it has 10 laser sights. It's just a BB gun.
You couldn't even call it "magizine capacity" when it comes to a BB gun. It's just however many you can pour in. "OMG, the BB gun has a magizine capacity of 42!"
Posted by: brando at December 22, 2008 12:07 PM (qzOby)
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Actually I disagree Brando. Though you can not easily kill someone with a BB gun, it is still a very violent act and can send someone to the ER. We had a couple of kids here doing something like this and seriously hurt one of my friends. The kids should be put away.
Posted by: David Caskey at December 22, 2008 05:03 PM (7+boT)
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From the description, this is not a standard BB gun, it is airsoft. While still painful and potentially dangerous, these shoot plastic bbs and not metal ones.
Yes, they still do damage but this is sheer sensationalism and irresponsible journalism. Something that seems to be the norm now.
Stupid kids doing stupid things but not something that requires a felony charge. Talk about overreaction!
Posted by: 6Kings at December 23, 2008 10:48 AM (5ghEP)
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CY,
Firstly - Reporters, from what I understand, seldom write the headlines to their stories. To be accurate you should blame the headline editor for this stupid connections.
Second - You made your accusation in your headline but didn't provide evidence in your article as to the bb gun and assault weapon connection. IMO, you should put your evidence for your charge in your article and I think Kevin was correct to call you on it. I hardly ever click through to linked articles, I don't like to give them the traffic, so it comes off as you are the one with a connection problem.
Thirdly - Are you trying to say someone cannot snipe with a bb gun?
Posted by: Al at December 23, 2008 12:49 PM (ZGtxz)
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You *think* that Kevin was correct? And you base it on the fact that *you* don't bother to read, and how it "comes off" to you? That's not how a logical argument is constructed.
That's just Appeal to Ignorance.
Well, Kevin was incorrect. The article was incorrect about the Assault Weapon. And you're incorrect to defend it. BB guns aren't assault weapons no matter how you slice it. CY knows it, I know it, and I think that even you know it.
Posted by: brando at December 23, 2008 02:08 PM (qzOby)
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Icono,
Exactly my thoughts.
I have no qualms with CY calling the headline to task. In fact, more power to him. The part of the story quoted was clean, is all I'm saying.
If you are going to castigate someone, put the money quote in your article.
Brando,
I don't know what your problem is, but I did read CY's blog post/article. He just didn't back up his claim in his article with the money quote. So I agree with Kevin's read of the article. Go and try to insult me all you want but that won't change CY's problem with his article.
Merry Christmas
Posted by: al at December 24, 2008 09:48 PM (vx3qK)
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6kings - If that's really an airsoft gun than a halfway decent lawyer will get the assault with a deadly weapon charge thrown out of court. The only way it's deadly is if you stick the barrel down someone's throat and force them to choke on the BBs or asphyxiate from the excess CO2.
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December 11, 2008
Westside Middle School Massacre Shooter Applies For Concealed Carry Permit
Denied. I'm amazed the idiot even made the attempt, and I hope they investigate whether or not he was in possession of a weapon and the apparent lies on his application and send him back to prison where he belongs.
(h/t Fred R.)
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I'd love to know how people delude themselves into thinking it's OK for two murderers to be released from prison at age 21 *with clean records* (according to the article), simply because they were juveniles at the time of the crimes. Are we so child-obsessed in this culture to think that a little prison time would set these two straight, after killing five people?
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 11, 2008 12:58 PM (5npD/)
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The funny thing about your comment, Mike, is that, on the one hand, kids are too precious and child-like to be charged as adults, etc., for sickening crimes like murder but God help you if you suggest, in polite company that, since they're kids, they might want to wait until they're a bit older to begin having sex, using recreational drugs, etc. because you're stifling their development and that they're 'practically adults' anyway...
Posted by: ECM at December 11, 2008 04:00 PM (q3V+C)
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I'm with you, ECM. It all seems pretty backward to me.
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 11, 2008 04:15 PM (5npD/)
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God save us from the "it's not my fault genaration"
Posted by: Rich in KC at December 11, 2008 04:26 PM (siQqy)
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"Essentially then he's got a life sentence, despite one never having been applied by a judge or jury."
In some cases I can see this point (eg. relatively small amounts of drugs), but in the case of murder? Many crimes WILL result in a permanent loss of your freedom and rights. Such an extended "life sentence" is easily avoidable, don't commit those kind of crimes.
Posted by: DoorHold at December 14, 2008 12:15 PM (DA32L)
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"For one I think it good that such irresponsible people don't get permits, but then again I also am strongly opposed to a guy's past deeds influencing his future this way."
How much of his future, and in what category? Going to jail for five years will influence five years of your future, so should we not send people to jail for any reason? Should saving your money not make you wealthier, or wasting your money not make you poor? Both examples are past influencing future. Its called consequences.
"He did the crime, he served the time.
For the law the penalty absolves him from that crime (that's what it's all about...), so what he did is (or rather should be) a closed book."
There are many theories about the purpose of incarceration, including retribution, rehabilitation, and protection of society-at-large from criminals. Absolution is not one of them. The only way to absolve someone of a crime against another is to repay the one wronged. Since the ones he wronged are DEAD, he cannot be absolved.
"Yet that crime will continue to haunt him whenever he comes into contact with the law for the rest of his life. Essentially then he's got a life sentence, despite one never having been applied by a judge or jury."
Past events are the greatest predictor of future behavior. In my experience, once a crook, always a crook, with very few exceptions.
"And that's wrong."
By what standard? Murder of innocents is wrong. Theft of property is wrong. Bearing false testimony to avoid just consequences is wrong. How is being forced to live with a reputation you fashioned for yourself, wrong?
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December 04, 2008
Charges Filed Against Police Chief in Accidental Machine Gun Death of Eight-Year-Old at MA Machine Gun Shoot; Father Amazingly Not Charged
This past October an eight-year-old was killed on the firing line of a machine gun shoot when he lost control of a Micro Uzi submachine gun he was firing and put a single 9mm bullet into his own head.
Charges have now been filed:
A police chief and a Massachusetts gun club have been indicted for involuntary manslaughter in the death of an 8-year-old boy who accidentally shot himself with a Uzi at an October gun expo in Massachusetts.
Pelham Police Chief Edward Fleury owns COP Firearms & Training, which sponsored the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, where 8-year-old Christopher Bizilj accidentally shot himself in the head in October after losing control of the 9 mm Micro Uzi submachine gun.
In addition to the manslaughter indictments, Fleury and the Westfield Sportsman's Club were also indicted on four counts each of furnishing a gun to a minor.
Two other men, Carl Guiffre of Hartford, Conn., and Domenico Spano, of New Milford, Conn., also face involuntary manslaughter charges.
This story is an exercise in what happens when a series of bad judgement calls compound upon one another with tragic consequences.
As a father of an eight-year-old myself, I know that my child doesn't yet have the responsibility, situational awareness, or strength to handle any firearm responsibly, and I would never consent to letting her handle a submachine gun.
Even if the father did not know enough about the recoil of fully automatic weapons to know that his child should not be handling one, the instructor should have been familiar enough with the firearm to suspect that a child cannot handle one responsibly.
Third, the owner/operator of the shoot, the Police Chief that has been among those charged, should have posted some sort of minimum qualifications to participate in the shoot, and the physical age and capability to handle such firearms should arguably factor into who is allowed to participate; the dead child obviously and tragically did not meet these standards.
I'm not sure if involuntary manslaughter charges are the best way to handle this negligent death, but if charges are to be brought, I'm disappointed that they were not distributed equally to those obviously the most to blame.
The judgement of the father of the child to allow his child to try to fire a machine gun was the largest mistake in a string of mistakes, and he was not charged.
Perhaps the prosecutor agonized over the possible charges and felt that the family suffered enough with the loss of the child, but this father, in my opinion, is the individual most directly to blame for the death of his child, and if others are charged for this tragic death, he should be as well.
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What a sad situation. A stupid decision turned into a tragic mistake. There are good ways to get children involved in learning about shooting and shooting safety, but a micro Uzi is probably not one of them.
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 05, 2008 01:09 AM (fBnZs)
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I disagree with the author of the post. While the father was stupid and negligent, there is no punishment on earth that could equal the loss of a child. I am a gun owner and a father, and even imagining my son would die as a result of my stupidity is almost unbearable.
Posted by: Walter at December 05, 2008 10:15 AM (cRO6v)
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If you don't charge the person most responsible for the child's welfare with negligence then you shouldn't be charging anyone else. This should be written down as a tragedy and let go. The father must live in his own personal hell for the rest of his life, no further action need be taken.
The next most "responsible" person is the instructor who should have known better than to let a 8 yr old child handle a automatic weapon. He should have his instructor's license revoked or at least suspended for several years. This likely removes the man's livelihood for a while and that along with knowing his poor judgment cost a child his life is punishment enough.
The buck stops there. The sponsor should not be liable, any rational individual would assume common sense would prevent such an incident. In this case both "fail safes" failed as the common sense of the instructor and the father failed to prevent this tragedy. Sorry but this hearkens to "stupidity labels" if they pursue this matter. We all know coffee is hot, not to use metal ladders around power lines, etc.
Posted by: Scott at December 05, 2008 11:17 AM (FaCaW)
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I let my son shoot machineguns when he was 4, I was a class III Dealer then, but never something like a submachinegun that I couldn't keep control of by wrapping my arms around him and supporting the weapon. I would certainly never turn a child loose with any weapon.
Posted by: georgeh at December 05, 2008 02:40 PM (1tw+N)
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What is the purpose of law?? The purpose is to punish evildoers. None of these persons willfully murdered anyone. It was a very tragic ACCIDENT. If I was on the jury... I would give an "innocent" verdict. Period.
There is no reason for punishment. People die accidental deaths all the time for reasons of negligence... human error... etc.
Now they have created "vehicular homicide" for accidental deaths that occur.
The desire for vengeance in this nation for simple human errors of reason or forethought with no malice is WRONG... and unlawful.
If all this is true, then beach owners can be charged with "homicide" every time a person drowns, etc.,etc., etc.,
We make mistakes. When are jurors and citizens going to realize that are BASIC LAWS are often a SHAM and we've got to stop participating in the INJUSTICE of BAD LAWS.
Meanwhile, willful massmurdering childkillers are protected by law... when they ought to be in prison for the rest of their lives for committing mass murder as abortions. That's WILLFUL PREMEDITATED MURDER... for profit.
Let's start thinking as citizen jurors and put a stop to injustice. NONE of these people should be charged with murder... it was an ACCIDENT!!!
"Involuntary Manslaughter" is a TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE in the first place - so the underlying presupposition of the charge is FALSE and WRONG and NO ONE should ever face that charge.
It's either murder, or it's an accident, and the law does not EXIST (or shouldn't) to PUNISH ACCIDENTAL DEATH!!
Posted by: l at December 05, 2008 03:18 PM (tdrxf)
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I eagerly await the charges of murder being filed against the mayor of the city and the governor of Massachusetts. They're just as culpable as the show sponsor is.
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 05, 2008 08:08 PM (Banpw)
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Until all you 2nd Amendment folks...recognize the rest of our Constitution...
I read all your harping about "personal responsibly"
Helmet laws save lives...seat belt laws...save lives.
Banning cell phones save lives.
Trigger lock laws..may just keep children from killing each other...
The person and the "club" that allowed this to happen? Should be prosecuted. Having raised two children...
at one point in their lives were this age...
I place the gun culture that believe children need to fire a gun...in the same category as pedophiles..
and other abuse.
Do any of you..with a child truly believe a child of this age has the cognitive development necessary?
Posted by: nogo more at December 06, 2008 04:33 AM (wqLhp)
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"I place the gun culture that believe children need to fire a gun...in the same category as pedophiles..
and other abuse."
That's because you are a raging moron.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at December 06, 2008 06:47 AM (M+Vfm)
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"Helmet laws save lives...seat belt laws...save lives.
Banning cell phones save lives.
Trigger lock laws..may just keep children from killing each other..."
Indeed, why don't we just pass laws to deal with any kind of potential danger and every conceivible situation so we can just make sure people always do what is best for them and leave nothing to chance? Good luck with that.
Posted by: Todd at December 06, 2008 08:54 AM (PeEyj)
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Nogo, when are you going to get around to banning kitchen knives and baseball bats? It's possible to commit murder and other crimes with those, too.
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 06, 2008 09:01 AM (aCGrL)
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An eight year old (or pretty much any inexperienced shooter) experiencing loss of control of a machine pistol that could result in serious bodily injury to the shooter or another seems like a foreseable consequence of allowing the inexperienced person to fire the weapon.
I've shot enough to have seen several experienced shooters have an AD. A child or inexperienced adult? You can bet money something just might go wrong.
So yeah, I'm o.k. with the charges.
I have friends who own class III weapons, and yes they allow others to shoot them. But they also exercise alot of caution - up to things like standing with the shooter, holding the weapon, and short loading magazines until they gain some confidence in the abilities and responsibility of the shooter.
Posted by: ThomasD at December 06, 2008 12:50 PM (UK5R1)
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I could see introducing an eight year old to firearms with a .22 rifle. In fact, I think it would lead to greater responsibility and safety. Letting an eight year old shoot a full auto Uzi.....that is a decision I just don't understand.
Posted by: George Bruce at December 06, 2008 02:17 PM (rbBe5)
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Thomas, George, I agree... but the person with primary responsibility is the father... the others have less, if any, responsibility. So why not charge the person with the most responsibility first?
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 06, 2008 02:51 PM (N+CS/)
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The reason they charged the sponsors, is because they didn't provide a certified instructor. They provided an uncertified, 15 year old kid.
The reason they didn't charge the dad, is because when he asked if that was a good gun for his kid to try, the staff told him it would be.
I agree with the post, dad should have been charged anyways. Just bringing some facts that some of y'all clearly aren't aware of.
Posted by: Frank at December 06, 2008 07:38 PM (0jXBE)
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Frank, two words. "
Caveat emptor." If Dad believed the staff, that does not negate his responsibility.
I am not saying that staff shouldn't be charged... but Dad should be as well, if anyone is. If Dad isn't, no one should be.
Posted by: ConservativeWanderer (formerly C-C-G) at December 06, 2008 07:41 PM (N+CS/)
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Go driving with Ted Kennedy in MA and die-tough luck.
Go shooting with your dad and die-outrage.
I wouldn't go shooting or swiming in MA if my life depended on it.
Posted by: pinandpuller at December 07, 2008 03:31 AM (nBjKI)
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I am a full supporter of the Second Amendment, but "you got to know your kid".
The average 8 year-old just isn't ready for a tricky recoil. If my son had asked me at that age if he could fire such a weapon, I would have said "when you are a little older". At age 14, he has been shooting .22 rifles since he was 11 (and this year a shotgun) in the closely-monitored confines at Boy Scout camp.
It brings to mind a story when I was a senior in high school, 35+ years ago. A friend's younger brother, a couple of years younger, fired a .45 in a controlled setting, but not being ready for the recoil, the pistol came back and broke his jaw.
And I have known three people who have been slightly injured by guns "they thought weren't loaded."
Sadly, at the shooting event, there should have been one of those signs you see at amusement parks, saying "if you are shorter than this"...
The instructor should have said "I'm sorry, he is not old enough, yet."
We need to ask ourselves when approaching a "situation" - "What is the worst thing that can happen?. And err on the side of caution.
I also struggle with whether the dad should have been charged.
Posted by: on-the-rocks at December 07, 2008 09:50 AM (jA39H)
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Fatal "accidents" of any nature are almost always the result of a string of poor decisions.
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December 01, 2008
Future Stupid Weapons
Embrace the absurdity of the chainsaw bayonet.
Via the Firearms Blog.
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Gears of War in real life. Pumpkins do make poor substitutes for Locust though.
Posted by: Tristan Phillips at December 01, 2008 09:36 AM (0tV1H)
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Looks like someone has been playing too much Warhammer 40K.
I like how he proudly struts back towards the camera. "I totally eviserated those chaos cultists!"
Posted by: brando at December 01, 2008 09:46 AM (qzOby)
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I want one before the Obamessiah gun/chainsaw ban comes into effect.
Posted by: Federale at December 01, 2008 12:05 PM (9Ocfc)
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He should be careful of his toes.
Posted by: brando at December 01, 2008 12:43 PM (qzOby)
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I only wish I'd thought of it.
Posted by: Mike Gray at December 01, 2008 01:07 PM (kZVsz)
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He's got nothing on the Rocket Propelled Chainsaw.
Posted by: Alpheus at December 01, 2008 03:22 PM (rkV8b)
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Darwin award in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Vercingetorix at December 01, 2008 04:13 PM (N8eC4)
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the moderator is a fucking tool. can't handle dissent to save his life. Go fuck yourself
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November 25, 2008
Six Months Under The Gun
"Be nice. Be Polite. Have a plan to kill everyone you see."
Been there. Done that. Carrying a weapon now, come to think of it.
Update: And while I didn't read this in advance of my experiment, every word holds true:
There is nothing like having your finger on the trigger of a gun to reveal who you really are. Life or death in one twitch — ultimate decision, with the ultimate price for carelessness or bad choices.
It is a kind of acid test, an initiation, to know that there is lethal force in your hand and all the complexities and ambiguities of moral choice have fined down to a single action: fire or not?
In truth, we are called upon to make life-or-death choices more often than we generally realize. Every political choice ultimately reduces to a choice about when and how to use lethal force, because the threat of lethal force is what makes politics and law more than a game out of which anyone could opt at any time.
But most of our life-and-death choices are abstract; their costs are diffused and distant. We are insulated from those costs by layers of institutions we have created to specialize in controlled violence (police, prisons, armies) and to direct that violence (legislatures, courts). As such, the lessons those choices teach seldom become personal to most of us.
Nothing most of us will ever do combines the moral weight of life-or-death choice with the concrete immediacy of the moment as thoroughly as the conscious handling of instruments deliberately designed to kill. As such, there are lessons both merciless and priceless to be learned from bearing arms — lessons which are not merely instructive to the intellect but transformative of one's whole emotional, reflexive, and moral character.
The first and most important of these lessons is this: it all comes down to you.
No one's finger is on the trigger but your own. All the talk-talk in your head, all the emotions in your heart, all the experiences of your past — these things may inform your choice, but they can't move your finger. All the socialization and rationalization and justification in the world, all the approval or disapproval of your neighbors — none of these things can pull the trigger either. They can change how you feel about the choice, but only you can actually make the choice. Only you. Only here. Only now. Fire, or not?
A second is this: never count on being able to undo your choices.
If you shoot someone through the heart, dead is dead. You can't take it back. There are no do-overs. Real choice is like that; you make it, you live with it — or die with it.
A third lesson is this: the universe doesn't care about motives.
If your gun has an accidental discharge while pointed an unsafe direction, the bullet will kill just as dead as if you had been aiming the shot. I didn't mean to may persuade others that you are less likely to repeat a behavior, but it won't bring a corpse back to life.
These are hard lessons, but necessary ones. Stated, in print, they may seem trivial or obvious. But ethical maturity consists, in significant part, of knowing these things — not merely at the level of intellect but at the level of emotion, experience and reflex. And nothing teaches these things like repeated confrontation with life-or-death choices in grave knowledge of the consequences of failure.
There's a certain kind of freedom that comes with the responsibility of carrying arms that is hard to properly express to those who don't. People who have done so have tried to tell me that before, but it isn't something that translates easily to print. Yes, guns can take lives.
But far more often, experience truly bearing arms help hone and reveal character.
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Sounds a lot like the speech from the movie Starship Troopers given by Michael Ironside. I don't remember if there was such a speech in the book. Violence or the threat thereof is truly the root of all authority, whether we like to admit it or not.
Guns are, as you said, a huge responsibility, and my Father always taught me that you cannot call the bullet back once it is fired. He also said never point a gun at something or someone unless your intent is to completely destroy it or them because that is a very real consequence of the weapon discharging voluntarily or involuntarily. Even if your intent is to merely wound you may hit an artery or miss and hit something else vital and that person is surely as dead as if you meant for them to die.
I plan on having my wife go through NRA pistol training which I will also go through with her as part of her owning her own handgun.
Posted by: Scott at November 25, 2008 10:36 AM (FaCaW)
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Interesting, the 6-month experiment. I've often wondered what it would be like to be able to carry a gun for self-defense. Living in NJ, it won't happen, but maybe some day I'll get out of here.
But it comforts me to know that somewhere in the nation, another responsible, law-abiding citizen is proving what we already know. Citizens carry and use weapons responsibly, in defense of themselves and others.
Posted by: Mike Gray at November 25, 2008 11:27 AM (XiVKO)
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[...] Seat belts, helmets and guns [...]
Good article and valuable information. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by: Ride Fast at November 25, 2008 12:01 PM (heBQv)
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When I had a collateral duty in firearms training, I told people that if they did not hold a heightened sense of awareness when carrying, then they ought not carry.
Non and anti-gunners do not realize that CCW holders make it safer for all of us - in jurisdictions which allow it. They make it harder for two legged predators to select victims.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at November 25, 2008 12:47 PM (Vcyz0)
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I found the transition from not carrying to daily carry rather easy. Two reasons:
1. Long before I even considered a gun for personal protection, I made sure I was always aware of my surroundings and what was going on around me. Even though I had never heard of Jeff Cooper back then, I was already living most of my time in "Code Yellow", so adding a gun just meant I had another option to me if I needed it.
2. My office doesn't have a policy against firearms on the premises (I read and re-read the employee handbook just to be sure), so I carry a Kel-Tec P3AT and an extra mag in the front of my khakis all day long. It's lightweight and unnoticeable, but I have 14 rounds of .380ACP with me if anything goes south.
Posted by: Exurbankevin at November 25, 2008 04:22 PM (toqoX)
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Never pull a weapon unless you fully intend to use it. If you take the safety off/cock it then you shoot right then, No second thoughts, they will get you killed. A lesson from my father over 50 years ago.
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 25, 2008 06:02 PM (GAf+S)
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Good stuff, Bob.
What range do you go to?
Posted by: Russ at November 26, 2008 03:37 AM (5fmXL)
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W-K-B, I see the LCP has a recall active. Check the Ruger website. It does look like a nice CC weapon.
Great post.
Posted by: douglas at November 26, 2008 06:09 AM (20QoQ)
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Russ,
I got to the
Wake County Firearms Education &Training Center, hidden down a backroad in Holly Springs, NC. It features modern indoor ranges and classrooms primarily built for law enforcement, but with several weekday nights and weekend afternoons open to the public. If you like specific targets however (I like the 24 x 45" Silhouettes used by the North Carolina Justice Academy), you may want to bring your own, as their selection is limited.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 26, 2008 08:56 AM (HcgFD)
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Thanks Douglas...yes, Ruger recalled the LCP after receiving a few reports of the weapon firing when it was dropped; they're apparently retooling the weapon with new parts to prevent such incidents. I signed up for the recall shortly after they announced it.
I still like the LCP, though. It's hard to beat for concealability and far better and more solid than the flimsy Kel-Tec models that inspired it.
Posted by: W-K-B at November 26, 2008 10:50 AM (StvZq)
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Posted by: Doodayteart at November 26, 2008 11:38 AM (hd/ZE)
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Bob, I live just a couple miles from there, and have been there often (though not so much, recently), mostly for the 100-yard rifle bay.
Posted by: Russ at November 26, 2008 01:02 PM (5fmXL)
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