November 16, 2009
Shocker: Brian Ross and The Blotter Get Details of Fort Hood Story Wrong
There are two constants we can expect from the ABC News blog
The Blotter.
They will report in great detail on stories involving the criminal use of a firearm.
They will invariably get significant details grossly wrong.
Whether the subject is Mexico's drug cartels, items restricted by the 1994 Crime Bill, or basic descriptions of guns used in massacres, Ros and ABC News are predictably incompetent, and their streak continued today as they try to discuss some of the weaponry purchased by Fort Hood Jihaidi, Major Nidal Hasan:
Right next door to the strip club is the gun store, Guns Galore, where authorities say Hasan bought his semi-automatic pistol and bullets and in the weeks before the shooting, 13 extra ammunition clips that could hold up to 30 bullets each.
As anyone with a rudimentary understanding of modern firearms will tell you, modern handguns do not use clips. They use magazines, and yes there is a distinctive difference between a single piece of spring steel that holds a group of cartridges together (a clip) and an enclosed, spring-loaded mechanical device that encloses and protects cartridges an actively feeds them into a firearm's chamber (a magazine).
Then there is the fact that one cannot readily buy a 30-round magazine for the Five-SeveN pistol as ABC tries to claim.
Precisely two magazines are available with the Five-seveN, a 10-round magazine for states that restrict the number of cartridges a civilian's handgun can carry, and the standard 20-round magazine that the weapon was designed to accept. No one makes a 30-round magazine for the Five-seveN, though CMMG has a 10-round extension one can purchase separately and install to the base of the factory 20-round magazines. There are no reports that Hasan actually purchased such extensions, much less used them in his attack.
But that sort of inaccuracy is par for the course for a propagandist far more interested in pushing a political agenda than actually reporting the facts, and Ross is quite consistent in framing stories in such a way to give gun control groups an edge.
After all, who needs facts?
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The "clips" vs "mags" thing i can almost accept, that's just idiotic popular culture.
but the 30 vs 20 round thing is pretty lame. Next its going to be a 200 round drum?
Posted by: John at November 16, 2009 01:39 PM (mAp1o)
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Yeah, and the silly folks also think it was a nearly 6 inch diam. barrel.
All they need is some square backed bullets and they'd be all set.
Posted by: brando at November 16, 2009 03:46 PM (IPGju)
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Well the "clips vs magazines" thing is generational as well. As one who trained and carried the M1 Garand, I often find myself reverting to "clips" when I really mean Magazines.
Of course the dimwit at ABC wouldn't know anything about that, and is likely just repeating whatever the anti-gun crowd has provided him as a "press release". That intellectual laziness continually pops up in the press, as they take, verbatim, the "facts" from the anti-gun groups and repeat it as fact.
Posted by: Jim at November 16, 2009 03:59 PM (WacVk)
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"After all, who needs facts?"
The above describes perfectly the liberal mindset:
Facts? We don't need no Steenking Facts!
Afterall, facts simply get in the way of what they believe.
Posted by: firefirefire at November 17, 2009 06:33 AM (tbYJ7)
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The best definition I've read is "Clips load magazines".
So wouldn't that make it "clips feed magazines, magazines feed guns"?
Posted by: Veeshir at November 17, 2009 04:05 PM (110Vq)
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November 07, 2009
The "Cop Killer" FN Five-seveN
The media is wasting very little time informing us that the weapon used by Major Nidal Malik Hasan in his rampage at Fort Hood was a "cop killer."
Ft. Hood terrorist used a cop killer FN-Five Seven tactical pistol—20 round clip -- Examiner
'Cop Killer" Gun though to Be Used in Ft. Hood Shooting, Offiicals Said -- ABC News
Fort Hood shootings: gunman used 'cop killer' weapon in massacre at US Army base -- UK Telegraph
Ironically, there is no known record of that weapon even being used to kill a police officer in the United States, and there is a distinct possibility that Sgt. Kimberly Munley, wounded while engaging Hasan, may have been the first American law enforcement officer ever shot with a Five-seveN.
How did the Five-seveN get it's "cop killer" reputation, then?
It was created in a Brady Campaign press release in February of 2005.
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Cop killer? at a $1000 a pop no self respecting gangsta can afford one.
Posted by: Jim at November 07, 2009 10:24 PM (Ck1lW)
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http://www.fnhusa1.com/PDF/5.7_Brochure.pdf
Over the past months the Five-seveN pistol has been the subject of misleading allegations. These allegations are misinforming the public in the United States and elsewhere. In this context FNH USA has issued this fact sheet.
Among other things, the Five-seveN pistol has been mischaracterized by some as a new firearm which shoots armor-piercing ammunition. To be clear: armor piercing ammunition can be shot from any firearm; however, such ammunition has been illegal for commercial sale since 1986 and is only available to law enforcement and military. In this context, ALL FNH USA law enforcement and military ammunition is sold via a secure Customs Bonded Warehouse which delivers directly to the customers after due approval by BATFE.
FNH USA is a responsible and law abiding firearms company conducting business in the United States that does not and cannot sell armor-piercing ammunition on the commercial market. There are no exceptions to this federal prohibition. The only FN 5.7x28mm ammunition available to civilians has been specifically declared by the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to be non-armor-piercing.
MAJ Hasan, Medical Corps, Darnell Army Medical Center, would have had no more access to SS190 5.7 x 28mm full metal jacket ball than you or I.
Posted by: Cannoneer No. 4 at November 07, 2009 11:20 PM (Xezx9)
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there you all go again with those silly little "fact" thingies..... like that can stop teh narrative.
you fools!
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 08, 2009 04:38 AM (d1FhN)
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If this had happened with an M-16, would they now be shouting about evil assault rifles?
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 08, 2009 01:11 PM (FJRFk)
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I am always amazed at the concept of "cop killer". Cops have one of the safest of occupations. The concept of danger is one that they foster, not an actual fact. The reason this bothers me is that cops use the concept of their safety to rob you of rights. They are allowed to use unnecessary force in confronting any individual on the basis that they need to protect themselves. We need to put an end to this concept. I have seen too many law abiding people beat up and killed by cops over the recent years and the reason that they give is their own protection.
Posted by: David at November 08, 2009 01:11 PM (PpoBw)
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Anti-gunners claim that civilians don't need handguns because they're dangerous and they should only be available to qualified law enforcement and military personnel.
Question of the Day: What happens to the validity of the above argument when policemen and troops start shooting at each other?
Posted by: MarkJ at November 09, 2009 07:47 AM (JA4GT)
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"If this had happened with an M-16, would they now be shouting about evil assault rifles?"
When do they ever stop bitching about assault rifles?
Posted by: Brian Macker at November 09, 2009 08:35 AM (0zQzK)
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FWIW, I suspect the damage would have been greater had the bastard used a .45.
Posted by: Murdoc at November 09, 2009 09:38 AM (O18jY)
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It seems the media, like those of the left would rather disarm the people and keep them in the dark. Far safer to suck up to the powers that be, than face the anger of those you have belittled and betrayed.
Posted by: Rock at November 09, 2009 11:22 AM (2qwNd)
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And you'll notice there's no mention of the mass murder occurring, ONCE AGAIN, in those oh-so-safe "gun free" zones.
Posted by: John at November 09, 2009 01:11 PM (Tr186)
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Early this morning I heard a CBS reporter describe Hasan's weapon as a "laser-guided high-powered pistol".
Where does one acquire such a piece?
Posted by: NoelArmourson at November 09, 2009 02:30 PM (6xVXq)
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Laser guided high power pistols?? I guess that playing too much Halo and reading too much science fiction books can do that to this reporter or just a plain anti-gun idiot who is a member of the media spouting nonsense.
Posted by: Will at November 09, 2009 02:55 PM (4sHuN)
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David, there is much to what you say. What danger cops do face statistically is mostly car accidents, like the rest of us. Policeophilia is definitely an arrow in the quiver of the statists. Something like that obtains for firefighters too but impacts our wallets more than our rights. I had thought that the P90 fired 5.56. Live and learn. They fire an even less potent round? What desire I might have had to get one is gone. With these S Korean M1 carbs coming home the pop gun is obsolete for the home front.
Posted by: megapotamus at November 10, 2009 06:07 AM (wJMs3)
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October 29, 2009
SOCOM SCAR Update
The FN SCAR (Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle) that has been deployed in small numbers with U.S. Special Forces will finish an initial deployment in December.
Jane's is
reporting that a much larger follow-on order of 15,000 5.56 SCAR-L(ight) and 5,000 7.62 SCAR-H(eavy) modular rifles is expected to follow in 2010.
Jason Spradling of Remington addressed rumors about the 6.5 chambering listed for the much-anticipated Remington ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle).
The Firearms Blog had assumed that the 6.5 cartridge would be the 6.5 Grendel, but an industry insider informed him that Remington was not developing a 6.5 Grendel variant, and someone else said that Remington may be developing their own 6.5 cartridge.
Jason confirmed with me via email yesterday that Remington was not actively working on a 6.5 Grnedel variant... or a 6.5 cartridge of their own.
"We have mentioned the 6.5 in our communications on the ACR simply because that platform is capable of handling the Grendel or something like it. At this point, there are no plans to chamber the ACR for the Grendel. However, that may change if we receive enough input from the marketplace to make it seem necessary."
The SCAR-L and ACR are destined for a collision course in the defense market as direct competitors as a replacement for the M-4 carbine. Both rifles are also going to be developed with semi-automatic variants for the civilian market. The SCAR-L and SCAR-H are currently priced north of $2,500 (sometimes far more).
Pricing for the ACR has not yet been released.
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I've seen the SCAR up close... BAAAAAADA$$ is the only way to describe it... The SF kids love it. The only issue I have with it is the name... Say it quickly and you sound like you are obscenely describing a bad wound...
"Whats that?"
"Oh that? Thats my F'n scar..."
Posted by: Big Country at October 29, 2009 11:00 AM (H/RUP)
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The Magpul Masada (predecessor to the ACR) was projected to cost around $1400 for a 16" carbine with magazines, according to the original Magpul press releases. (http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/masada_technote.pdf)
Posted by: Eric at October 29, 2009 11:21 AM (p7VhC)
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Interesting. Any word on an 6.8mm version of SCAR for SOCOM? Or is the whole 6.8 concept moribund?
Posted by: Brad at October 31, 2009 08:09 PM (eEdXg)
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Brad: There was some interest in a 6.8 SPC SCAR at some point (by the Marines, IIRC, and not SOCOM) and some prototypes were developed for testing. Haven't heard any more about it.
Posted by: Murdoc at November 01, 2009 12:39 PM (+i0Jm)
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October 18, 2009
Applying Rights Equally
A letter to the editor in the Arizona
Daily Sun asks an
interesting question:
If I understand it correctly, a lot of folks are saying health care is a right for all and we all should help pay for it. I'm wondering: Since owning a gun is a right, do you think everyone can chip in and get me a new rifle?
That sounds like a better use of tax dollars than most.
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Well Announcing something doesn't make it so.
Air, water, and food are more immediately necessary to life itself than health care, and none of them are even mentioned in the Constitution, much less guaranteed as a Right. If you think health care is a right, then you think we are a nation divided into a Dependent class, and a Provider class that does all the work. Which are you? And what happens when all the Providers decide it's their turn to be dependent?
Posted by: Bill Smith at October 18, 2009 11:23 PM (G0jgH)
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National health care is a "right" if you're a communist/socialist country, for sure! And that, boys and girls, is exactly where the fraud in the White House is taking this country, right down the socialist road.
I'll take a .270 Winchester, please.
Posted by: Dell at October 18, 2009 11:38 PM (PQZii)
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If it counts for shotguns, I'd like a new 20 gauge Beretta O/U for upland bird please.
That and a freezer box full of Omaha Beef, since food is a right too.
Of course, both suppliers would get paid 75% of what they would bill. That is only fair, since they are providing products that I have a right to own...
Posted by: iconoclast at October 19, 2009 04:46 AM (O8ebz)
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If it takes two or more people for you to have a right then you don't have a right.
Posted by: inspectorudy at October 19, 2009 08:52 AM (Vo1wX)
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If healthcare is a
right then why does Congress want to fine/tax you for not exercising that right? Will they fine/tax you for not voting? For not exercising free speech?
The healthcare is a right argument is a farce.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at October 19, 2009 09:23 AM (FJRFk)
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I want to get in on this too. I'll take a 308 lever action please. It's my right. About 3000 rounds to go with it. And a chest freeezer full of beef, venison, lamb, pork, and buffalo. It's also my right. Heck, why not one of those new GMC trucks for good measure. And a bass boat.
And about $120K for personal spending. If Acorn gets millions, then why can't I. $120 is nothing, compared to that. It's my right.
Posted by: brando at October 19, 2009 09:29 AM (IPGju)
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If healthcare is a right then why does Congress want to fine/tax you for not exercising that right?
It gets even better when you consider that Congress also wants to fine/tax you if you exercise the right to healthcare too much by taxing "Cadillac Plans"--unless you are a member of Congress or a government employees of course.
Some animals are just more equal than others....
Posted by: iconoclast at October 19, 2009 11:35 AM (O8ebz)
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I'll take an M-24 SWS, please.
Posted by: Anthony at October 20, 2009 01:02 AM (Ich7i)
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Putting aside the clarity of the Second Amendment stating the government can't INTERFERE with your right to bear arms (as opposed to "granting" you the right to "own" a gun), it's still a clever sentiment, and it begs the question: Even if healthcare were a "right," does that mean the government should tax citizens to pay for it?
With all the talk of bailing out the left-wing media, I'm beginning to think ALL our rights will soon be bought and paid for through taxation.
Posted by: DoorHold at October 25, 2009 12:43 PM (EeTHH)
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October 15, 2009
"I'm Sure Everyone is Exploring Their Options Right Now."
I contacted several shooting industry sources regarding California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's decision to sign oppressive ammunition restriction bill AB962.
The bill requires ammunition to be held behind the counter, restricts sales to individuals to a maximum of 50 rounds per month, bans direct mail and internet sales, and requires retailers to collect intrusive personal information for each sale including:
Date of transaction.
Buyer's date of birth, full address, driver's license number, right thumbprint and signature.
Brand, type and amount of ammunition purchased.
Name of the salesperson who processed the sale.
While the law theoretically affects only handgun ammunition, many rifles also shoot handgun-caliber ammunition and owners of those firearms will be affected as well. That information would be turned over to the government which would effectively be able to compile a backdoor handgun ownership database on all California gun owners.
The prohibition does not outlaw the unregistered ownership of handgun ammunition, nor does it stop individuals from crossing state lines to purchase as much ammunition as they desire. In effect, it penalizes law-abiding recreational shooters, while potentially creating a lucrative market for ammunition smuggling into California.
The California Association of Firearms Retailers (CAFR) and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) are highly critical of the bill, stating:
NSSF has estimated that AB 962 would cost California at least $2.92 million annually in lost sales taxes and $629,000 in increased operating costs for state agencies. Lost retail sales in California were estimated at $35.7 million. These estimates followed the recent release of a study by the Governor's Office of Small Business Advocate that show over-regulation of small businesses in California costing the state an estimated $492 billion, almost five times the stateÂ’s general fund budget and almost a third of the state's gross product. The Small Business Advocate study also found that California's regulatory burdens costs an average of $134,122 per California business, $13,801 per household and $4,685 per resident each year. Small businesses are 98 percent of the state's enterprises and provide 52 percent of the jobs.
"Despite the excuses given this morning by the governor, nothing will change the fact that this legislation will drive many small, independent retailers already struggling in a poor economy out of business or force them to flee California's burdensome and hostile regulatory environment for greener economic pastures elsewhere-- taking with them their jobs and tax revenue," said CAFR President Marc Halcon.
I sent email to contacts within the ammunition industry, and few seem willing to talk about a possible response.
I asked them all the same specific question: Do you anticipate sanctions by manufacturers against the state of California in response for this law, perhaps similar to Barrett's refusal to sell or service CA state agencies after the ill-advised .50 BMG rilfe ban went into effect?
While anti-trust laws keeps the companies from discussing such an idea with one another, one highly-placed industry source was willing to provide his opinion off the record.
He would not rule out a decision by one or more ammunition manufacturers to refuse to do business with the State of California while the ban was in effect.
"Nothing would surprise me. I'm sure everyone is exploring their options right now."
If ammunition manufacturers do decide to go this route in response, state and local law enforcement agencies may have to find other vendors to supply their ammunition, or face running low on ammunition themselves.
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Arnold has as much to do with the conservative agenda as did Bush. Which is nothing.
Posted by: David at October 15, 2009 05:39 PM (Lh/sO)
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I thought i read somewhere that the "50 round limit" part got cut at/before the signing?
the text/comments from ah-nold here: http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=68596&catid=2
imply that there's no limit. but yes, the entire thing is stupid. In that article the governator even pats himself on the back for the .50 cal debacle.
Posted by: John at October 15, 2009 07:23 PM (iaV9O)
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Well, since I fly to CA regularly and go shooting with my daughter I will just have to bring a couple thousand rounds each time I visit.
She can mark them up 100% and sell them to her friends.
Thank you, CA, for some more untraceable income.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 15, 2009 08:07 PM (FGCRY)
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Most of you sound like folks we welcome to Texas. The more honest Gun owners the better.
We don't have earthquakes...Convinced?
Posted by: Marc at October 15, 2009 11:53 PM (Zoziv)
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Well lets just let Kalifornia slide into the ocean. They elect those idiots let them sort 'em out.
Posted by: tjbbpgobIII at October 15, 2009 11:53 PM (8kQ8M)
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with the upcoming census overcount of illegal aliens, CA looks to gain quite a few more gerrymandered ultra-liberal loons in Congress.
But by then CA will be its own 3rd world country.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 16, 2009 12:55 AM (O8ebz)
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Marc: Glad to hear that. Bought my new house in the hill country 3 months ago.
Posted by: CFM at October 16, 2009 02:39 AM (vt8Y4)
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Actually, with the increasing large amount of money the US owes to China, it wouldn't be surprising to see China demand ownership of California if the US defaults....
Posted by: _Jon at October 16, 2009 10:19 AM (ehN4c)
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Step 1. Open a drive through store on the road from California to Los Vegas, right on the Nevada line.
Step 2. Sell bulk ammo. Let customers call ahead, use a website, or fax/email/twitter orders with Paypal or credit cards, so there is essentially a zero wait time at the store's loading docks.
Step 3. Profit.
And I did not have to collect underpants with gnomes.
Posted by: Mikee at October 16, 2009 11:07 AM (dChgD)
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Yes hey should stop selling there. The truth is that in the long run it will just make Cali even more broke than they already are. They will loose all of that business and all of the taxes that go with those sales. They cant have thier cake and eat it too, if they want to be able to tax the crap out of thier citizens(oh my appolagies, SUBJECTS) they must give them something for it. If you are a decent and conservitive person VACATE the state and leave those Commie assholes to thier vices. Good luck and God speed
Posted by: Spook45 at October 16, 2009 11:53 AM (wmuk+)
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This is the amount of incredulous influence the--OPEN BORDER--lobbyists (business power brokers and ethnic zealots)) have on certain Democratic devious rabble? Once again the senate top echelon have huddled secretly (BEHIND CLOSED DOORS), recklessly placing E-Verify worker identification system in jeopardy. The obnoxious
R-O-P-E Senate group as its being called on the Internet and nationwide, who are marked as Reid, Obama, Pelosi Emmanuel have indifferently pushed American Workers in the background, allowing the millions of illegal aliens to take their jobs. They have driven into the ground amendments from appearing in the final Homeland Security "conference committee" bill. They eradicated--ANY CHANCE--of a Senate's permanent authorization of the E-Verify program.
They have religiously under-funded, undermined the Senate's mandate to beef up and complete the final 300 mile Mexican border fence. Then again it was never the original border wall as designed by Rep. Duncan Hunter. Illegal Aliens would have first had to scale the--FIRST--fence, run across the two lane highway for the Border Patrol vehicles, then scale an identical--SECOND FENCE. Under funded and weakened just like E-Verify, the police 287(g) arrest and detainment and ceasing the massive ICE raids. Finally the ROPE group strangled the Senate (already) passed ability of countrywide businesses to run their previous hires employees through E-Verify. So you can guess this is a harbinger to drop on the AMERICAN WORKER YET ANOTHER ULTIMATELY EXPENSIVE BLANKET AMNESTY. THOSE TAXPAYERS WILL BE FORCED TO PICK UP A TRILLION DOLLAR TAB. Be advised that Reid D-NV , Pelosi D-CA have one of the largest population of illegal immigrants in the country, who they are subservient too. Remember to expend your frustration and anger at 202-224-3121on your lawmakers. They are juggling with millions of American Workers job lifeline, by pandering to people who shouldn't even be here?
MY SUGGESTION IS DON"T BUY ANY SERVICES FROM BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T DISPLAY THE E-VERIFY PLACARD. Remember the real conniving happens in rooms hidden from the public awareness in conference committees. In addition, Remember Harry Reid as an incumbent Senator who carries the blemish of being anti-American Worker, Anti-Sovereignty must not be re-elected. Speaker Pelosi must go? So must Emmanuel? They have proved they cannot be trusted As NUMBERSUSA president says," With no chance now of E-Verify dying in any minute, because they couldn't annul the 3 year extension? The pro-amnesty forces no longer can try to use it as a bargaining chip. States, counties, cities and businesses can now be quite confident that they can set policy based on the E-Verify program being around." IT'S NOT PERMANENT YET THANKS TO ROPE. This group has given preference to illegal workers instead of the 15 million authorized AMERICAN WORKERS. COMPREHEND MORE OF THE CORRUPTION THAT CANNOT BE DENIED BY POLITICIANS AT JUDICIAL WATCH. NUMBERSUSA will explain in detail the consequences, that includes the 2010 Census, Health Care, hidden welfare programs, Anchor babies, criminals amongst the illegal immigration occupiers. CAPSWEB for OVERPOPULATION information.
Posted by: Brittancus at October 16, 2009 01:42 PM (Kc4uK)
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Hey CA, you made your bed, now lay in it!!!
Posted by: Andrew at October 16, 2009 07:18 PM (t9+Ir)
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Just make sure that there's a hill or a curve between your store and the California border. Don't want the CHP surveilling your place from the CA side and harassing your customers, as MA did with people who brought liquor in NH,
Posted by: PKO Strany at October 20, 2009 01:30 PM (+IzXJ)
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October 11, 2009
Are Our Troops Getting the Best Weapons?
In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. The machine gun he grabbed after tossing the rifle aside didn't work either.
When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight on July 13, 2008, putting the outnumbered American troops at risk of being overrun by nearly 200 insurgents.
Which raises the question: Eight years into the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, do U.S. armed forces have the best guns money can buy?
Despite the military's insistence that they do, a small but vocal number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq has complained that the standard-issue M4 rifles need too much maintenance and jam at the worst possible times.
There are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of veterans far more qualified to opine on whether or not the M-4/M-16 family of small arms are the best that money can buy, but it doesn't take a great deal of qualification to suspect that the answer to this question is "no."
The basic weapon design for the M-16/M-4 is over 40 years old. While there have been modifications and upgrades during its service lifetime, it has always been prone to failure in adverse conditions. The shorter M-4 carbine, with an abbreviated gas system, is also said to be less reliable than the longer barreled M-16.
Then there is the issue of the cartridge the weapon uses. While the 5.56 NATO round can create devastating wounds at higher velocities, the shorter barrel of the M-4 reduces the velocity of the small .22-caliber bullet so that at extended ranges, velocity drops off enough that the bullet merely penetrates straight through without immediately stopping the enemy. I've written before about soldiers I've spoken to directly that had to shoot insurgents in the head after multiple shots to the torso failed to stop them.
Likewise, the cartridge has been criticized from the beginning because the high velocity lightweight bullets fail to penetrate light cover and stop the enemy on the other side. This is a significant problem, especially as U.S. troops typically encounter an opposition with 7.62-caliber weapons that have greater penetration capability.
Our soldiers are armed with a weapon advanced in years with a history of failing at the worst possible time, chambered for a cartridge with a dubious record of stopping the enemy in real-world combat scenarios.
Of course, our military knows this.
The XM-8 program developed a lighter, more reliable 5.56 weapon. The military cancelled it, but civilians can get a semi-automatic version for themselves. There are also other, more reliable weapons being used in small quantities in the field, from the HK416 to the FN SCAR.
Other cartridges are being tested as well, from the 6.8 SPC specifically developed for the military, to the 6.5 Grendel.
The simple fact of the matter is that we are not arming our military with the most modern, reliable, or potent weapons.
I'll leave it for others to explain why.
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For those not overly familiar with things ballistic, my own elementary understanding:
Yes, our people fire .22 cal. bullets, but they're not like the one you shot at summer camp when camps still did that. The military version is the same diameter, but the bullet is longer, and thus heavier.
A little physics. The speed something hits something has much more effect on the damage done than the weight of the the thing doing the hitting.
The idea behind the military .22 cal is that you get this longer, lighter, narrow bullet moving really fast, and it will tumble the instant it hits its target, and that does a lot of damage to the target. The advantage is you get more individual bullets to fire, that will still be lethal, but will weigh a lot less than heavier ammo.
But the key is that those bullets must impact at high velocity to have a lethal punch. A HUGE factor in producing that velocity is the length of the barrel. That is because you have to give the hot, expanding gas TIME to push on the bullet moving down the barrel to get it up to speed. Shorten the barrel, and you lower that speed. Lower the speed too much and you have -- almost literally -- a pea shooter.
Since the resurgence in popularity of the almost 100 year-old Colt 45 Model 1911 pistol, I'm wondering, Bob -- not that I think such a thing would ever happen -- how much of a WWII Thompson submachine gun would actually have to be made out of heavy, machined steel if someone were to update it as a modern assault rifle?
I know, I know, but one can dream.
Posted by: Bill Smith at October 11, 2009 01:11 PM (nvoxV)
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The Afghan Mujahideen defeated the Soviet empire with a mix of Soviet weapons,Lee Enfields, and God help them even a few old Martini rifles left by the Brits in the 19th century. If the US can't win over there it won't be because the M16 is an inferior weapon(I'd go with an M14, but that's another post). We really need to be asking ourselves what the hell we are doing over there, and if inserting tens of thousands of troops is going to do anything more than piss off the locals, which is something you REALLY don't want to do. Just ask Alexander the Great, the Brits, or the Russians.
Posted by: William Butler at October 11, 2009 01:20 PM (znAs1)
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My absolute favorite weapon from 1965 - 1968 was the .50 cal. mounted on my APC - what a feeling of power - and special fun with tracers at night. The next favorite was my .45 cal. pistol, but alas you had to be close to the target, but you knew he wasn't getting up! In the beginning we used the M-14 - which was an excellent weapon - ( see the post above) but not suited for a lot of moisture, mud and gunk, but may do well in the desert and mountains - don't really know - it's been a long time.
Bottom line - it is a MASSIVE UNFOGIVABLE SHAME that our military don't have the BEST weapon on the planet - end of story - no excuses.
With current leadership in D.C. I doubt it will get any better.
Posted by: slimedog at October 11, 2009 01:37 PM (Wxgn3)
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I started Basic Training with am M-14 before transitioning to an M-16. We used to insist that Mattel was the contractor for the M-16. Luckily, within a year, I had transitioned back to a pair XM-21s that traveled with me for the next seven years. I have noticed that the M-21 systems are still around and in high demand by special operators. The 7.62 NATO packs a better punch (especially as range lengthens) is less affected by brush. Personally, I think an M-4 is for clearing urban rooms, but for that I don't see an advantage over an HK MP-5. Disclaimer; I have never handled an M-4.
Posted by: Richard Roark at October 11, 2009 01:55 PM (Y/4ua)
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Just getting away from the Direct Gas system would do wonders. Yes, it is more accurate at long distances, but even in the Ashcan, it isn't that big a deal to the average troop.
A sustained fire fight will cause the thing to stop working. It will happen, and the fighting there (as opposed to Iraq) is often longer in nature. The Muhj prefered the AK to the AKM because they could use the .22 ammo if needs be in the 7.62. No it was not accurate, or as fast, but lead went down range.
A 6.5-7mm round would do wonders in QCB, and something that still allows the larger amount of ammo per pound is a good idea.
The AR being 40 isn't as big a deal as some of the "replacements" are AR's with improvements. Piston designs that, as with the barrels for a more effective size round, can be used on existing lowers (not that saving money is ever an important thing to procurement processes). Some of the Spec Ops folks are still using a few M14s, whiuch is based on the even older M1 Garand. But, like the 14 was an improved version of the 1, the A4 is something of an improvement of the M16. But they didn't (in my opinion) improve it enough.
The Ar in .458-Socom with a Piston actuator is ideal for room to room, but the thing hold what, 10 rounds in a regular mag? The 222/223 is only good for up to a 7.62/.308 and reliably operate, and the bullet is rather short then. The 6.8 was brought about to try to optimize the size and length and still reliably feed and headspace (there is a wildcat .338/223, but headspacing is a nightmare). Sadly, every alternate round is going to be lacking somehow, but I do think just going to the 6.8-spc and piston uppers would allay much of the troubles we have.
Posted by: JP at October 11, 2009 01:59 PM (VxiFL)
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Eugene Stoner followed the AR-15 design with the AR-18 which fixed almost all the problems of the earlier design, gas piston design, folding stock, flat top receiver. receiver of steel rather than pot metal. The Govt. was not about to admit to a second mistake after the reliability problems of the M-14 just a few years earlier and have plowed on with an inherently bad design.
I used an AR-18 extensively in the '70s and it was dead solid perfect.
Posted by: georgeh at October 11, 2009 02:18 PM (sp19P)
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The M-16 family of which the M4 is a recent variant has much to recommend it: Light weight, great inherent accuracy, exceptional ergonomics, very little recoil, substantial quantities of ammunition may be reasonably carried, and easy adaptability to a wide variety of useful accessories. On the downside, however, there are a number of real concerns including:
(1) The gas impingement system is inherently unreliable in combat conditions. It dumps unburned powder and fouling directly into the chamber and action of the weapon. In clean, ideal conditions, it works fine; in combat, it requires substantial maintenance and may be deadly.
(2) The 5.56 cartridge, particularly in military ball configuration (full metal jacketed bullets), can be quite effective if fired from the standard 20" M-16 barrel, but the M4 is some 4" shorter and the resulting loss in velocity substantially reduces the effectiveness of the round on human beings. The round has never been an effective penetrator of cover. Of course, the larger and heavier the cartridge, the fewer rounds may be carried, so this is always a trade-off.
(3) The weapon is not robust and can be rather easily broken if misused. You don't, for example, want to butt-stroke anyone.
For civilian uses, including police work, the current weapon is a near ideal. Of course, this is true because, apart from the many good qualities of the weapon, few civilians will be called upon to fire hundreds of rounds on automatic, or even semi-automatic, in a very short period of time without maintenance.
The trick here--if keeping the AR configuration is the goal--is to retain the many positive qualities of the weapon while including a gas piston design (and a few other smaller refinements). H&K, Ruger and others have done just that in the AR configuration. A more effective cartridge without excessive weight might also be possible, but the easiest solution might be a bullpup design like the Israeli Tavor that would allow all of the positive qualities of the M-16, including a 20" or longer barrel, in a package no longer than the M4. With a revamping of bullet design with the goal of improving lethality without relying exclusively on high velocity, this might be an optimum solution.
Posted by: Mike McDaniel at October 11, 2009 03:46 PM (DJR56)
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Lot of contraversy here about the M4 and other individual weapons used by our Military.
I know that the M16 I used forty years ago was not reliable but that was just what we experienced in our unit. We favored carrying AKs when we went out (Long Range Patrol) because if we had to fire our weapons (which was a no no) they wouldn't know the Americans were around.
The U.S. Military is not going to just up and replace the M4 all at once, it is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming replacing them a few thousand at a time starting out with our SOF, Rangers and selected Marine units.
All you will ever need to know and more at this link:
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Posted by: Papa Ray at October 11, 2009 10:28 PM (JpVJn)
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The M4 and M16 need to be replaced IMMEDIATELY. They simply do not meet acceptable reliance and stopping power standards. Both the 5.56 and 7.62 have too many shortcomings. As does the 6.8 round. The great thing about the 5.56 is that it's small, compact, light weight and accurate. The great thing about the 7.62 is that it hits a lot harder. But where the 7.62 fails is in long range accuracy, weight and size. The 6.5 Grendel round is BY FAR the best round on the market since it combines the accuracy of the 5.56 with the stopping power of the 7.62 round. It shoots further than the 5.56, 6.8 and 7.62, it shoots more accurately than all 3 with a much flatter trajectory and it has stopping power almost as good as the 7.62 round. We need to build a rifle around the 6.5 Grendel ASAP. It should be extremely reliable, extremely durable, extremely accurate, extremely comfortable to use, extremely light weight, extremely customizable and not too expensive. I haven't seen a gun on the market that quite meets all those requirments so we need to get a competition going immediately between gun manufactures to produce those rifles. They should make an affordable semi-automatic version as well so the civilian market can eat them up and make it more lucritive to manufacture them. GIVE OUR TROOPS THE BEST. THEY DESERVE IT.
Posted by: Blackwater at October 12, 2009 04:19 AM (55ZnI)
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Also let me add that there are indeed AR-15 style rifles that already meet most of those standards if not all of them. But I've never personally handled one so I don't feel comfortable recommending them. But it very well might be that this rifle is already ready to go so we should start filling out large orders for them. The military should be on top of this anyway. If not then shame on them.
Posted by: Blackwater at October 12, 2009 04:23 AM (55ZnI)
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Another thing they should seriously consider is adding bullpup ammo loading into the gun. It allows the gun to be much more compact without sacrificing accuracy or bullet velocity. It might look strange, feel strange and be a little slower to load but our soldiers will get quickly used to it just like the British and others have. It will also allow for better urban combat and vehicle combat capabilities.
Posted by: Blackwater at October 12, 2009 04:32 AM (55ZnI)
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We need another John Browning. No one ever complained about his weapons jamming or lacking effectiveness, and we still use the Ma Deuce .50 caliber, which works just fine.
Posted by: Joe Hooker at October 12, 2009 08:35 AM (S92RF)
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So the AK-47 stopped the Russians and fought us to stand still.... Why reinvent the wheel?
Just convert to the ak-47, much cheaper, reliable and seems to work well in a combat situation. How often do we engagae with small arms at long ranges anyway? Introducing a new style of weapon and a new cartridge will in our political arean will drag on for decades. Do we always need the most expensive stuff?
Posted by: Dave Kangas at October 12, 2009 10:18 AM (XN5Tg)
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The problem is the direct gas impigment system. After 200 rounds or so, it becomes less and less reliable. It is also sensitive to dust and dirt. This has been a continual problem since Vietnam and has not be solved. An AK variant in 5.56 would be a real solution.
Posted by: Federale at October 12, 2009 12:16 PM (I6UoW)
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Get 'em all AKs. Problem solved.
Posted by: Bill Johnson at October 12, 2009 09:28 PM (WUwIm)
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"Bottom line - it is a MASSIVE UNFOGIVABLE SHAME that our military don't have the BEST weapon on the planet - end of story - no excuses."
Yes it is sad that we can't have the best that money can buy. However, being a former military guy, I can understand it.
Say you can buy a decent rifle for a thousand dollars, or you can buy a great rifle for fifteen hundred. You, buying one rifle will probably go for the fifteen hundred dollar rifle. But if you are buying a million of them, you will likely go with the thousand dollar rifle.
It is better to have everyone have a decent rifle instead of a few people having a great rifle, and everyone else a crappy one.
The major problems with the M4 are simple. Shorter barrel means lower velocity. Lower velocity means that the projectile drops below the 2400 ft/s mark where it fragments inside the body. It also means lower barrel pressers that cycle the rifle. Lower barrel pressures mean less functionality.
Now, if you would all think back about six years you may remember public outcry that our troops had rifles that were too long, and couldn't operate as well in buildings, or getting out of vehicles.
So what does the military do? They go with a shorter rifle.
Blame yourselves America.
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October 05, 2009
UnManned Handgun Attacks, Wounds Three
Tales of the
gun weird:
Michael Thourot had just pulled his hand away from the warm metal when it started spewing bullets.
Moments before, Sherri Thourot had watched her husband fire and reload the Jennings 9mm. Then he set it down for her to shoot next at the range.
That's when the handgun started firing on its own, she said, spinning around in circles, landing the Thourots and an Irish tourist in the hospital.
"Nothing like that has ever happened," said Sherri Thourot on Sunday evening from her room at Lakeland Regional Medical Center.
Bryco/Jennings/Jimenez Arms designs have been a pawn shop favorite for years, filling out the market for inexpensive and basic pistols. Their reputation for durability and quality are about what you would expect in a sub-$200 handgun, and they have been on the losing end of lawsuits in the past. That said, it is exceeding rare for a stationary, unmanned handgun to spontaneously start firing.
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THIS must be the handgun the Anti's are so afraid of!
Posted by: toater802 at October 05, 2009 09:20 AM (zQ9Oe)
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I'd like to know how many rounds he had put through it before this happened and what type of rounds (besides the obvious aforementioned 9mm). (I'd want to know brand ectect.)
Sounds like 'cook off' to me, but I can NEVER imagine a sidearm getting THAT hot. Only time I ever experienced 'cook off' (definition of 'cook off' for non-gn folks: it's when the Barrel and Chamber of a weapon becomes so hot that the bullet spontaneously fires or ‘cooks off’ as soon as chamber lock is achieved) Like I was saying, the ONLY time(s) I’ve ever experienced ‘cook off’ was on an M-60A1 firing sustained full auto for over 20 minutes (yeah I was doing bursts but when you have 1000 round belts to burn and your 1SG tells you “don’t come back with any unspent ammo!!!”… well HELL full auto ROOLZ!!!!) The barrel ended up glowing red-to-white hot. My AG (asst. gunner) had to break the belt b/c it went runaway and I was hosing the entire range LOL!!!
ThereÂ’s something more to thisÂ… as you stated the Jennings is a cheap gangbanger specialÂ… total POS and if I found one on the battelfield and had a choice between it or a club, IÂ’d stick with the club as itÂ’s safer and IÂ’m sure I could get something better using the club.
Posted by: Big Country at October 05, 2009 11:14 AM (H/RUP)
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Only thing I can think of is that he racked the slide and left it back, then placed the gun down on the table, at which point the slide shot forward. Then the gun fired on its own plus it fired full auto.
In other words, careless handling plus multiple mechanical failures.
Posted by: Steve at October 05, 2009 11:28 AM (ym03G)
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Serial cook offs in an unsupported handgun. Most handguns would jam without strong support in the recoil process. More to this story. Maybe a sear failure, but still for a semi-automatic to function properly it needs to be supported. Most jams in a semi are caused by limp wristing or lack of support in the recoil process.
Posted by: Federale at October 05, 2009 11:32 AM (UQeEa)
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Why would you load it and then set it down?
Why wouldn't you just let your wife load the mag into the pistol? That way at least someone can control it if something does go wrong...
sounds kinda fishy to me, though!
Posted by: John at October 05, 2009 12:32 PM (iaV9O)
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I agree that something sounds fishy here.
My hypothesis is that someone has made illegal modifications to this gun in an attempt to convert it from a semi-automatic to an automatic.
Posted by: George at October 05, 2009 01:57 PM (WA19M)
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That is a level of automatic I find hard to support.
I'm not sure I think full automatic is a good idea in most applications, but this is way too far.
I've heard of Naval riles cooking off, but in a handgun?
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 05, 2009 03:05 PM (OmeRL)
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Concur there is something fishy here. The probability of cascading mechanical failures required to cause this to happen as described to an unmodified weapon are astronomical.
Posted by: DavidB at October 07, 2009 01:20 AM (h8pRl)
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Pablo: OF course he changed the barrel... I was the CPL and he was the PV2... gotta have them kids earn their keep!! Besides... my hands are too big to fit in the aspestos (sp?) glove.
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October 01, 2009
1 Free Gun, 2 Classes, 5 Days: The FrontSight Training Package
So I mentioned briefly Tuesday that I was contacted by the staff at
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute last week, inquiring into whether or not I might be interested in partnering with them for a promotional venture.
Guess what? I looked it over, and it seems like a good deal.
Without further procrastination, let's get to it.
Here is what Front Sight is offering.
Four Day Defensive Handgun Certificate that allows you to attend a $2,000 Four Day Defensive Handgun Course at any time in the future with no expiration date. Have better gun handling, marksmanship and tactical skills than 99% of the people who carry a gun for a living! Your shooting buddies will ask, "Where did you learn how to shoot like that?" You will proudly tell them, "Front Sight." Course Value: $2,000. Being the Best Shooter in your group of shooting buddies... Priceless!
One Day 30 State Concealed Weapon Permit Course that gives you all the training, paperwork signed off, finger prints, and certificates to apply for permits in FL, NV, and Utah. Reciprocity agreements in place allow you to carry a concealed handgun in 30 states. Course Value: $500. Comfort of being armed and trained to handle anything... Priceless!
All 7 Front Sight Dry Practice Manuals, each over 100 pages with photos of all the techniques we teach in our Four Day Defensive Handgun, Tactical Shotgun, Practical Rifle, Select Fire M16, Uzi Submachine Gun, Empty Hand Defense and Edged Weapons Courses. These manuals are your "Perfect Practice At Home Front Sight Instructor!" Manuals Value: $280. Ability to dry practice all the correct techniques and continue to improve your skills between courses... Priceless!
Limited Edition, Stainless Steel Folding Knife with Front Sight Logo etched in handle. You can't get this knife anywhere at any price. This is a special run of knives made specifically for this offer. If we sold a logo knife in our pro shop, which we don't, it would be priced at $300 or more. You get it as part of this package. Knife Value: $300. Cool factor when you whip it out to open a box, slice an apple, or dissuade an attacker... Priceless!
Front Sight Instructor Belt, Holster, Magazine Pouch, Flashlight Holder and Flashlight. All the right gear you need to wear on your belt for a Four Day Defensive Handgun Course. Gear Value: $230. Knowing you are outfitted for your first Front Sight course with the same gear the Front Sight Instructors wear... Priceless!
Front Sight Logo Armorer's Bench Mat. Neoprene bench mat measuring approximately 16" x 12" featuring the Front Sight logo and exploded view disassembly diagrams for the 1911 pistol, Glock pistol, and AR-15 Rifle on it. Armorer's Bench Mat Value: $40. Having a Front Sight padded mat to clean and work on your guns... Priceless!
Front Sight "Any Gun Will Do-- If You Will Do" Logo Shirt. I have had so many reports of people seeing our students proudly wearing their Front Sight shirts all over the country. Our students wear them to shooting ranges, gun shows, rock concerts, Disneyland and even church! You too will enjoy proudly flying Front Sight's colors. Shirt Value: $30. Wearing it to your liberal brother-in-law's house party... Priceless!
Front Sight Logo Hat. Perfect accessory item to wear with or without your Front Sight shirt. Keeps the sun out of your eyes and your mind in Condition Yellow (If you don't know what Condition Yellow is you REALLY need to take a course with us!) Hat Value: $20. The acknowledging nod you get from other gun owners when they see you wearing it... Priceless!
Right there I think that Front Sight has a week's worth of experience lined up a a reasonable price, but the other previously-mentioned take home prize makes the deal even sweeter.
Yes, your very own Springfield Armory XD, in your choice of 9mm, .40 S& W, or .45 ACP.
I've made no secret that I'm a fan of the XD, and Front Sight will give you one once you are enrolled.
Folks, this is one great offer.
What should you expect to get out of this investment in your shooting skills?
The ability to draw from a concealed holster and put a controlled pair of shots to the target's thoracic cavity from 3-5 yards away, in less than 1.5 seconds.
Folks, that is strong. Admittedly, I can't do that now. Can you?
I'm hoping that you will consider signing up.
With competence comes confidence.
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Bunch of crooks if you ask me.
Front Sight assets seized.
http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2009/May-15-Fri-2009/news/28773367.html
Posted by: McE at October 01, 2009 10:42 AM (iCKav)
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Knowing the whole story helps.
The founder (Ignatius Piazza) did get sued over a residential community he was trying to get developed near the range, and they're still working on the settlement to investors. The article you dropped the link to above posted on the 15th; three days later the judge removed the receivership.
Piazza has also apparently lurked around the edges of Scientology, but he claims to be a Catholic. He does admit using Hubbard's marketing techniques and has been to Scientology meetings. But that is just Piazza, and I keep that separate from the training that Front Sight provides.
I've not found one bad word written about the training, and most people who have taken the courses seem to think Front Sight quite literally the very best firearm's training there is. I'm quite comfortable recommending the training. I just wouldn't go to church with Piazza.
And I don't want you to just take my word for it. Here are the Wikipedia links to
Piazza and
FrontSight. And please, do your own additional research on the Internet.
I'd be comfortable taking the class and I feel comfortable recommending it to my readers.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 01, 2009 11:09 AM (gAi9Z)
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Frontsight throws up too many red flags for my taste.
Feel free to give us a review of Frontsight after you've been through their training. It's what I am NOT seeing that makes me skeptical.
Posted by: Gun Nut at October 01, 2009 11:41 AM (SXpYP)
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Bob, "Dr." Piazza was more deeply involved in Scientology than simply attending a few meetings. He is listed in the Church of Scientology's publications as "clear". That takes a significant investment in time and money - like about $100,000. He also took the "Sunshine Rundown" course. What is the "Sunshine Rundown", you ask? It's a course that re-introduces disoriented Scientologists back into the real world. The actual firearms training might be good, but it's way over-priced. The NRA offers firearms training at a much more reasonable cost.
Posted by: EnfantTerrible at October 01, 2009 12:24 PM (UsS77)
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This is what I found the first time I checked into Frontsight and Ignatius Piazza.
I visited yahoo.com's search engine and used the keywords "ignatius piazza lawsuit". I use a similar methodology whenever I research a business or website. I then came up with this site in particular that threw out a red flag.
http://www.dianahsieh.com/scientology/
Google or Yahoo those keywords, read, and decide for yourselves.
Posted by: Gun Nut at October 01, 2009 01:41 PM (SXpYP)
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Sketchy belief system.
Misappropriation of funds.
Scorn for judicial process.
Obviously liberal.
Posted by: TimWB at October 01, 2009 04:47 PM (H0kXg)
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The training in weapons use is supposed to be extremely good. That is the only valid point. If I could afford it, if I could get sufficient time off from work, I'd go to the classes, get the training, get my diplomas and goodies, and go home.
As it is, I am a long time "student of the gun" and a retired military weapons instructor. I'm, sorry for the vanity, already pretty damn good. But if there are new tricks to learn, new techniques to study, no-one is ever the total master of all.
Posted by: cmblake6 at October 01, 2009 07:36 PM (i174V)
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Piazza is a con man.
"The ability to draw from a concealed holster and put a controlled pair of shots to the target's thoracic cavity from 3-5 yards away, in less than 1.5 seconds."
Really? I could do that 20 years ago from Military Training that the Government paid ME for. Granted, my training was longer and more intense and assignments afterwards were not on Your list of desired vacation spots. I do have a Masters in International Relations and never dabbled in the Scientology Cult but am Retired Military and in a weekend I can have you very proficient with the XD of your choice, the 1911A1 and the Mossberg 590 shotgun for far less than $2,000.00 but hey Bud, its your money.
Posted by: Old Trooper at October 04, 2009 06:23 PM (oNzU6)
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"What should you expect to get out of this investment in your shooting skills?
The ability to draw from a concealed holster and put a controlled pair of shots to the target's thoracic cavity from 3-5 yards away, in less than 1.5 seconds."
Ok. So, what about those of us who can do that and more from farther distances and don't care for the XDs?
Seriously though. 3 to 5 yards is nothing. Studies in the past by LEOs have shown that if you can not place three rounds minute of soccer ball from atleast 7 yards in under 2 seconds from the holster, then you need to train more. A lot more.
I prefer to mix up the ranges a bit, and go as far as the range allows.
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Affiliate Partnership with FrontSight
You
may notice above that there is a banner ad to FrontSight Firearms Training Institute. After being approached by one of their staff last week about promoting a training package I decided to partner up with them, as FrontSight has a excellent reputation as a shooting school and the package they are promoting includes a
Springfield Armory XD that you get to take home.
I'll have more on this later tonight or tomorrow.
In the meantime, you can read up on some the links to articles about them they so graciously provided.
Front Sight
Ignatius Piazza in Small Arms Review
Ignatius Piazza
Ignatius Piazza Blog
Ignatius Piazza in Times Democrat
Front Sight in National Enquirer
Ignatius Piazza in Handvapen
Front Sight in Sierra Times
Ignatius Piazza in Forbes
Ignatius Piazza in Playboy Magazine German Edition
Or since seeing is believing:
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CY - What banner ad? Heh!
Posted by: daleyrocks at September 29, 2009 11:38 PM (3O5/e)
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Please notice that I have blocked the blinking ad.
If I can't block the blinking ad, I block the blog.
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at September 30, 2009 11:00 AM (OmeRL)
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Best quote of the video.
"Well, actually, I'm planning on joining the Navy Seals, so I'm trying to get some good handgun training before I go to basic training."
Yeah, you might want to spend at least one day in boot camp first, before you appoint yourself into the ranks of the Seals. I'm just saying.
Posted by: brando at September 30, 2009 12:09 PM (IPGju)
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Springfield XD? What caliber?
I have an XD45 Compact and LOVE it. Good gun, easy to shoot and easy to clean.
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September 10, 2009
Long Guns I'd Like to See
Every once in a while I get the opportunity to test some exquisite firearms.
The last to pass through my hands was Ruger's first entry into the AR market, the piston-driven SR-556, which I was able to outfit with an Insight Technologies MRDS optic. I just returned it last week after having it for three months, and it was tough to send back. I'll post my range report in the weeks to come.
Having a newly-released gun in your hands sometimes lead you to try to get into the mind of the designer to try to understand why they decided on the features they brought to market, and in my case, that leads me to wonder about other firearms that I'd be interested in seeing developed from existing firearms, or entirely new designs.
There are two that I've been kicking around in the back of my mind in recent weeks, one being a 5.56 Garand, and the other is a user-friendly dedicated home-defense shotgun.
The 5.56 Garand
The Garand needs no introduction. It was America's premier service rifle in World War II through the Korean War, a semi-automatic firing eight .30-'06 rounds loaded from an en bloc clip.
There are millions of Garands in the hands of American shooters, with the vast majority of them chambered in the traditional .30-'06, but the .308 Winchester increasing being adopted in new rifles. Modification of Garands into other calibers is nothing new, with custom Garands chambered in .338 Magnum and 458 Magnum being available to those who can afford them, but I'd like to see development taken the other way.
I'd like to see a Garand design modernized and scaled to the 5.56 cartridge. Imagine a Garand at 90-percent the size of the original, with a forward-mounted short section of picatinny rail for "scout"-type scopes, with a detachable rear sight (and perhaps a folding rear backup iron site). Even scaled to 90-percent, I wold think an 8-10 round en bloc clip is quite possible.
I imagine it as a truck gun, equally suited for utility work, plinking, predator, and defense or light to medium game hunting.
The Home Defense Shotgun
While the 5.56 is a nice " want to have," the next firearm on my wish list is for a real and vital market that in my experience, is under-served.
When I was selling firearms, the most heart-wrenching work I took on was trying to help someone who had recently been the victim of a crime. A young couple just starting out was living in rough part of town, awoke one night to a someone high on drugs battering open their front door. A single older lady found signs that someone had tried to force open her apartment window. A single woman in her 20s, visibly shaken, scared that her obsessive ex-boyfriend was going to break in one night and hurt her for leaving him.
None of these customers was the caricature of a gun owner that liberals love to set up as strawmen, and none really wanted to purchase a gun. What they really wanted was the sense of security that only firearms can provide in a potentially dangerous situation.
For each of these customers, I wish I had a better option than what I had on the shelves. What I wish I had to sell was a very easy to operate, compact and nearly foolproof shotgun, one that was light and compact enough for women and smaller-statured men, without punishing recoil, and with at least 4-5 rounds in the magazine. I still don't see a perfect solution on the market (and a one-size fits all solution will never exist), but something built off the basic concepts behind the Kel-Tec RFB would certainly be a step in the right direction.
The RFB is a very compact bullpup-style .308 rifle that ejects spent shells forward, meaning it can be used ambidextrously without any modifications. A similar weapon chambered in 20-gauge with simple iron sights and larger game loads (#4-#6) could certainly be the in-home, last defense gun that I would have recommended if we had it on the shelf.
I don't know that there is a significant market for either firearm, but it would certainly be interesting to see how such concepts might work out.
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August 17, 2009
A Bad Idea Escalates
The lefty blogs are
beside themselves (indeed,
Gawker John Cook seems like he is about to lose bladder control) over the fact that about a dozen
open carry advocates attended the protest outside Barack Obama's speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, AZ today. Much to the dismay of the commenters at many of those sites, openly carrying firearms is completely legal in Arizona.
It also appears that protestors on both sides may have been armed.
As much as I support the open carry movement in theory, I have a very hard time seeing open carry at a political event full of people as anything other than a very bad idea. It is needlessly provocative (and I suspect in many instances, purposefully so), and potentially dangerous.
While the protestors themselves may not have any intent to use the firearms they are carrying, open carry in dense, emotional crowds opens up a whole host of possible scenarios that could end in disaster. I'd be rather surprised if any were using holsters with any sort of locking retention devices.
The man who got the greatest amount of attention was carrying a Carbon-15 rifle with a 30-round magazine and an EOTech sight slung over his back; not the best way to retain and control your weapon in a crowd.
The people on both sides were of course well within their legal rights to carry at this event.
Whether or not openly carrying firearms to a political protest is intelligent is another matter entirely.
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July 22, 2009
Addled Critics Unable to Form Logical Opposition to Thune's Concealed Carry Reciprocity Amendment
The so-called "Thune Amendment" to provide co-equal reciprocity to concealed carry permit holders traveling across state lines will come to a vote
today.
The Amendment would allow concealed carry permit holders to carry their guns in the 48 states that allow some form of concealed carry (Illinois and Wisconsin do not allow for concealed carry in any form). Permit holders would still be responsible for knowing and following all applicable laws of the individual states they visit regarding concealed carry.
Opponents of the amendment have gone for the usual hysteria, insisting that such a bill would mean blood flowing in the streets.
That sort of hyperbole and fear-mongering is of course unfounded.
There are legitimate reasons one could cite to oppose the bill, such as concerns over how Alaska and Vermont residents—which are allowed to carry concealed weapons without any sort of a permit—would be accommodated. There are legitimate reasons to question the public safety of allowing people who come from states that provide permits without any training to travel anywhere. There are also questions about whether such a bill tramples on states' rights.
Those questions need to be answered, and I suspect they reasonably can be.
By the protests sounded by many of those opposing this bill aren't based upon any sort of logical thought process. They trumpet only unreasoning fear:
"If you walk down the street in New York ... you can have the solace of knowing that if someone has a gun on them they've gone through a rigorous police background check. After this bill, you can have no such comfort," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Sunday.
Shumer is dishonest. If someone is carrying a gun in New York City, they are either a criminal or politically connected, with very, very few exceptions, and it is only slightly less difficult to carry upstate. Being a well-trained, responsible, law-abiding citizen isn't enough to get a carry permit in New York City, you need political connections, or if you are a normal citizen, you have to demonstrate need—as if a citizen can foretell in advance when someone might attempt to carjack, rob, or rape them. Even then, permitting is an altogether arbitrary process subject to whim as much as process.
New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg was no more logical:
It could be drunks stumbling out of saloons packing heat that leads to another OK Corral. Or a bump on the subway that turns into a quick-draw shootout.
And the cops can't do anything about it until it's too late.
Those are some of the nightmare scenarios an agitated Mayor Bloomberg said could unfold on city streets if the Senate doesn't kill a "terrible piece of legislation."
The controversial measure says that as long as you're legal to pack heat in one state, you're A-OK to carry a concealed gun anywhere you travel in the U.S.
The proposal, an amendment coming up for a vote today, "is just an out-and-out trampling of historic states' rights," Bloomberg said in a reference to New York's tough laws against concealed guns.
"This bill is an anti-police, pro-gun-trafficker bill. This is going to put a lot more guns on the street," Bloomberg said on a conference call with several other mayors who warned their streets could also become war zones.
As Bloomberg should know, carrying a firearm in New York City would still be prohibited even when the Thune Amendment passes; it only apply to state laws, and local prohibitive ordinances such as NYC's would presumably still apply.
As for the Wild West hyperbole of shootouts on every street corner over the slightest offenses, well, that bit of dark fantasy has been debunked no less than 36 times. The same fear-mongering has been made in response to every state that implemented a concealed carry law, and the claims have always fallen flat.
Concealed carry permit holders are far less likely to commit a crime than the general population, and though there are millions of concealed carry permit holders in the United States—there are more than 1.4 million in Florida alone—the best that the anti-gun Violence Policy Center could do to suggest that concealed carry was dangerous was to point out 31 instances where concealed carry permit holders have been accused of violent crimes.
The VPC was so desperate to get even this scant amount of evidence that they were forced to include allegations of wrong-doing in cases that had not been adjudicated, cases that concealed weapons played little or no part in, and at least on case were no weapons at all were used.
Far from showcasing gun violence caused by concealed carry permit holders, the VPC report instead serves to show that carry permit holders as a group are far less violent that those citizens that are not licensed to carry firearms.
38 states allow concealed carry. 28 of them already have reciprocity laws that allow permit holders to carry in various states.
Thune's amendment is an attempt to add some consistency to an often confusing hodgepodge of state-mandated and constantly changing reciprocity agreements, while keeping every individual state restriction and concern in place about how and where guns can be carried within those states. It seeks nothing more or less than extending to law-abiding citizens the opportunity to follow the laws of another jurisdiction.
That hardly sounds like a situation that should earn the shrill hyperbole we're hearing from some politicians and media elitists.
But then, we aren't dealing with rational people.
Update: Why am I surprised that irrational fear wins in a Democrat-controlled Senate? The vote fell two votes shy (58-39) of the 60 needed.
And the victorious dolt speaks:
"Lives have been saved with the defeat of this amendment," Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, a leading opponent of the amendment, said in a statement. "The passage of this amendment would have done more to threaten the safety of New Yorkers than anything since the repeal of the assault weapons ban."
The ten year (1994-2004) "assault weapons" ban did not save one single life.
While 19 guns were banned by name, every single domestic manufacturer had variants of pre-ban guns on the street the day after the "ban" took effect, with no decrease in accurate, power, or rate of fire. Many manufacturers of assault weapons expanded their domestic sales during the ban due to high demand, and there were always plenty of these firearms legally available for sale on gun shop shelves.
The "ban" can fairly be credited with the creation of a new class of handguns, subcompact semi-automatics that packed duty-grade calibers (9mm, ..40S&W, .357 SIG, .45 ACP) into ever-smaller frames, so that far more powerful bullets can be launched from guns not appreciably larger that the low-powered and often ineffective &qout;mousegun" calibers of previous generations. If anything, a good case can be made that by making guns ever smaller and more powerful, the assault weapons ban encouraged people—both law-abiding citizens and violent criminals—to carry firearms more frequently.
How many homicides associated with this new class of weapon do you want credit for, Chuck?
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July 20, 2009
Carry Reciprocity Agreement Brings Out The Bedwetters
If Chuck Shumer and the New York-based media are against it, it must be
good for America:
A measure taken up by the Senate Monday would give people the right to carry concealed weapons across state lines as long as they obey the concealed gun laws of the state they are visiting.
Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., said his proposal would reduce crime by providing reciprocity to carry concealed firearms. "My legislation enables citizens to protect themselves while respecting individual state firearms laws," he said.
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Thune's bill, supported by the National Rifle Association and other gun rights groups, would allow people with concealed weapons privileges in one state to transfer that right to other states, contingent on their following the laws of those other states. Many state gun laws specify locations where concealed weapons can, or cannot, be carried.
It does not, Thune said, provide for a national carry permit and would not permit the concealing of weapons in the two states — Wisconsin and Illinois — that do not allow the practice.
Gun control advocate Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said the amendment "could endanger the safety of millions of Americans."
He said in a statement that "to gut the ability of individual states to determine who should be able to carry a concealed weapon makes no sense," he said.
This may come as a shock to the uninformed, but most states with concealed carry permits already have some sort of reciprocity agreement with other states. For example, my North Carolina concealed carry permit is honored in 31 other states. New York concealed carry permits have considerably less clout, being honored in only 13 other states.
Critics that insist this amendment would lead to violence are all predicted on the absurd illogic that a person who is licensed to carry a firearm in his home state would be overcome with a murderous desire urge to commit a violent felony the moment they cross the border into another state where they did not previously have reciprocity.
It's a laughably foolish premise that an educated, rational person would ignore, and yet the apparent de facto position in a number of editorials in northeastern news organizations.
The echo is so harmonious that almost makes me wonder if news organizations have been orchestrated in some manner—perhaps by a panicky senior Senator from New York?
On second thought, I'm sure I don't want to know.
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July 05, 2009
After Three Centuries, Brits Lose Ability to Arm Themselves
Rather pathetic considering their history of small arms development, but perhaps to be expected from a now-neutered nanny-state that thinks normal kitchen knives
are too dangerous.
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May 17, 2009
A Response to Susan Gill
Glenn Reynolds linked to an
article in the
Christian Science Monitor about the growing prominence of gun-bloggers among the old media and how these sometimes cranky and contrary souls [We don't know anyone like that, do we?] are even forcing the hand of the NRA on occasion.
The very first comment on the article was from someone using the name Susan Gill. I'm sure you'll recognize someone you know in her reply:
My goodness, it's hard to know where to begin. In Seattle, there is an increase of gang shootings, often by teenagers, right out in the open on the University of Washington Ave., Alki Beach, Golden Gardens, the South end at bus stops, etc. Kids should NOT have guns. Nationally, we have people in the same families shooting one another. People go off the deep end and shoot fellow workers or students with machine guns they should NEVER have access to.
The logic is we all have the right to protect ourselves. But, maybe we need to be thinking through the best way TO protect ourselves. Some good ways are living a wise lifestyle, trying to be harmonious with all, listening to your intuitions, staying out of trouble spots, leading a good purposed meaningful life and providing opportunities for others to do the same.
This pressure and lobbying from the NRA has been escalating for years. I don't like it at all. I'm to the point I'm more opposed to the pressure than the availability of guns. Why not more pressure for a harmonious society? Why not more pressure to provide for larger police forces? Why not more regulated laws that oversee gun sales, and limit gun sales to the appropriate parties, those who are professionals in the service of protecting our cities and country? (I won't even try to talk about the "hunting" aspect. I cannot in a million years imagine shooting an animal!)
I simply cannot believe our Founding Fathers' intent with the 2nd Amendment was to indiscriminately pass out guns to anyone who wants one. There MUST be more intelligent scrutiny and stricter laws on who may carry a fire arm.
Let us for a moment look past her sincere ignorance and the fact that there have been precisely two murders documented with legally-owned machine guns since 1934, that children are already barred from purchasing all manner of firearms, that "harmonious living" never stopped a hardened criminal, and that criminals should not circumscribe your freedoms. We'll look past all that to focus on what all too many outside of her moonbeams-and-unicorns world view also misunderstand about what our nation is, and the role firearms were intended to play.
To her and others like her I would write:
Ms. Gill,
I'd like to direct you to The Federalist Papers and other documents written by our Founding Fathers. They did indeed mean for every law-abiding reasonable man be armed with small arms suitable for military use. They created the Second Amendment not to sanctify pheasant hunting or target shooting, but to make sure American civilians always had access to small arms for the defense of their communities and against tyrannies foreign and domestic.
They recognized the militia as the citizen, not the National Guard, and the contemporary use of the phrase "well-regulated" in their time meant "well-trained."
The Founders wanted America to be a nation where the citizenry itself was a well-trained deterrent to tyrants abroad and would-be tyrants at home, recognizing that blood needed to be shed from time to time for liberty to remain and free men to remain free.
What the media glibly calls "assault weapons" today are the very arms that most closely mirror what the founders would have regarded at the proper armament for a free American citizenry. Our Founding Fathers, Ms. Gill, were what you would regard as right-wing extremists.
They wanted us armed and well-trained with those arms, knowing that any government security force sufficiently large and powerful enough to protect us from any crime is large and powerful enough to strip us of our freedoms. There is, after all, a reason why totalitarian nations are known as "police states."
Our Founders were men of action, and require action from us. They do not expect us to shirk our duties and responsibilities, and would be ashamed of those of you who think so much of your own self-worth that you would put another person's life on the line to assure you safety.
If you truly love your nation and your God, procure a weapon, and learn how to use it to defend the one sacred life that your Father gave you to lead, and freedoms that our Founding Fathers hoped to enshrine on parchment three centuries ago.
Thank you for your time.
Bob Owens
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A good rebuttal. I would add that she needs to give out her address so that the thieves and rapists know where to find her. Easy prey. Sad thought. They would love it.
I will bet anyone that she would consider arming herself if she was raped or broken into or both even after she called 911 for help. She would probably just sue and sue and sue (unless she was dead). Then again I could see a 12 GA riot gun in her future if she smartens up. After the fact is always too late. I have lived past the half century mark only because I am willing to kill someone who wishes to harm me and mine. The alternative is not acceptable. This is moral and expected of all of us in this Country. And yes I served.
If you really believe that evil people do not exist, or if you think words will calm them, you don't live in the real world. Look at Iran.
Marc
Posted by: Marc Boyd at May 17, 2009 06:56 PM (Zoziv)
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Did she miss any firearm misconceptions? I'm pretty sure she covered 'em all. "Sincere ignorance," what a generous description. Good for you.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 17, 2009 07:04 PM (FdJgA)
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Well said, Bob. Thank you.
Posted by: Bill Smith at May 18, 2009 01:21 AM (FqEAG)
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"(I won't even try to talk about the "hunting" aspect. I cannot in a million years imagine shooting an animal!)"
1. I think of Robert A. Heinlein, "You have to be able to shoot your own dog." I have.
2. Just finished Ringo's "The Last Centurion." She has never been hungry. Famine would change her mind, kill her or both.
Posted by: Richard Roark at May 18, 2009 10:26 AM (m115B)
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Egad! People like this drive me bonkers.
How fortunate for Susan to live in her protected bubble of moonlight and unicorns...I, on the other hand, am not so fortunate.
I, like Susan, don't go looking for trouble, try to be "harmonious" and "listen" to my "intuitions". Heck, I even judge myself to be "leading a good purposed meaningful life" though I suspect my yardstick is different from hers.
I am a law-abiding citizen and when I went to college, I followed the rules and went without personal protection, despite my own father's pleas to the contrary.
Afterall, we had security doors and pepper spray and rape whistles. Of course, it wasn't long before an older male classmate disabused me of the notion that this was protection. All you need is somebody else to hold open that door, pepper spray must be in hand and ready to deploy, and your rape whistle can be shoved down your throat.
None of those things are going to protect you against the guy who comes to "borrow notes" with an ulterior motive of getting a bit more.
All I had to protect myself was my voice and my fists. It turned out, thankfully, that this was sufficient in my case. But, if Susan thinks that I am content to go this route ever again, she's dead wrong.
I will not apologize for the necessity I feel to protect my life, liberty, and the control of my own body. Susan, some guys don't take "no" for an answer and, having been cornered before, I'd prefer to have cold steel in hand and worry about my aim rather than whether or not I'll be able to identify my attacker in a line up (assuming I survive).
But, Susan will never understand. I've tried arguing this with people who you would think would be receptive, to no avail.
For example, I once encountered a hunter who was flabbergasted and appalled that I owned a handgun. I, a woman! His outrage absolutely astonished me. I was sure that I was just misunderstanding him, but no.
This hunter really believed that his right to hunt and bond with his buddies was what the founders intended. He didn't care about me protecting myself from my would-be rapist. I had no business having a weapon, in this guy's opionion. And, he's a father. Scariest conversation I've ever had in my life.
My point is this: well-reasoned arguments don't get very far with some people for whom emotion is all.
I don't dispute the hunter's right to drink beer and sit in a tree stand each fall, nor do I insist that folks like Susan gear-up.
Yet, my refusal to ever be victimized again paints me not as a good citizen exercising her rights, but as part of the problem. A trouble-maker looking to gun people down. I don't wish violence upon anyone, but I'm not going to sit around and just hope for the best either.
I'm pragmatic, not stupid.
Hell, even the Disney Princesses had villains that they had to face. If Susan thinks she's living in an even better fairy tale...well, I hope she never discovers otherwise.
In the meantime, I'm still living in the real world.
Posted by: Phoenix at May 18, 2009 11:35 AM (FK3xh)
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The number of guns recovered from crime scenes in New York City dropped by 13 percent from last year. The number of people shot to death dropped from 347 in 2007 to 292 in 2008.
OVERALL, MURDERS IN NEW YORK CITY INCREASED FROM 2007 TO 2008, BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE IN CRIMES COMMITTED WITH KNIVES!
Posted by: Gramps at May 18, 2009 04:08 PM (tnzNm)
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The Anti-gun folks have but one dream.
They wish that guns and all things that can be used as weapon,could be somehow,magically un-invented.
Just like the clock can not be turned back or an egg cannot be un-broken;Knives,clubs,rocks and guns can not be un-invented.
Now,lets talk about true gun control; Breath,Relax,Aim & Squeeze.
Posted by: firefirefire at May 19, 2009 05:02 AM (85xG3)
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Good rebuttal Bob.
Phoenix, I'd actually dispute his right to sit and drink beer while armed with a deadly weapon before I'd dispute your right to self defense. It's illegal to drink and drive, the same should apply to rifles. Impaired judgment can lead to lots of accidents when using a firearm, not being aware of what is behind your target (bullets in people's homes or passing cars), improper identification of the target (dead/injured buddies, livestock, animals you're not licensed to shoot), and numerous other accidents.
Posted by: Scott at May 19, 2009 10:30 AM (sQmd1)
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The primary reason why the Left wants us all disarmed is to totally dominate us politically. That's why Obonga wants the Senate to ratify that treaty with the U.N., the one with the provision that calls for the complete disarming of our entire population. I'm a former Leftist, so I know how a lot of these people REALLY think, when none of you are within earshot: an armed population is infinitely more difficult to subdue. This is a power grab of major proportions.
We have this 2nd Amendment right because the Founders intended it as a buffer against tyranny. All of you, get Stephen P. Halbrook's book, "The Founders' Second Amendment: Origins of the Right to Bear Arms."
This is about way more than just having guns for protections and for hunting. It's about the defense of our liberties vs. the Marxists' desire to sweep them all away for good.
Be alert. Be vigilant.
Posted by: Fred at May 19, 2009 11:24 AM (bqFrH)
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A good example of what happens when you loose gun rights is Australia. They had an immediate increase in crime, particularly home invasion. Violence markedly increased. It was the criminal that had the gun. The only thing increased cops does is to have more of them bothering us trying to get to work by giving out tickets. They are most definitley not an answer to increased crime.
Posted by: DAVID at May 19, 2009 12:39 PM (dccG2)
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Why not more pressure to provide for larger police forces?
With more guns, perhaps?
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May 04, 2009
Daily Beast Lies Again
More outright fabrication from
The Daily Beast (my bold, of course):
At the gun show in Reno, I witnessed the sale of rocket-propelled-grenade launchers and bazooka guns; I watched a California-based dealer demonstrate how rapidly he could field strip his .308-caliber sniper rifle, then stash it in a deliberately innocuous-looking backpack and a briefcase that "looks just like a camera case."
Mr. Blumenthal, I'll make you a deal.
Produce a functional gun show-purchased RPG-7 launcher and grenades or a functional "bazooka gun" (whatever that is), and I'll either eat it, or let you shoot at me with it. The simple fact of the matter is that such weapons are not available at guns shows, though replicas— non-firing essentially 1:1 scale models—sometimes are.
The take-down rifle design he shows with forboding isn't particularly innovative and has been around for over a hundred years. I just watched the Clint Eastwood classic Joe Kidd over the course of a weekend, where a western set in 1900 featured a scene where the title character assembled a similar weapon transported in a compact presentation case, and then used it to kill a rifleman sniping from a ridge hundreds of yards away.
As for Blumenthal's crockmentary, I'm less than impressed with tired leftist tactic he used of finding a small number of crackpots from multiple events and presenting them as being a fair representation of the overall group. Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest.
You'll note that though he claims to have attended two shows, he came back to the same 2-3 guys for the bulk of his interviews, most prominently the old Alex Jones fan and the young Paultard. Those interviews were culled from out of what must have been thousands of potential attendees he could have chosen to talk to. I have little doubt his intention was to isolate and fixate upon those he thought would be most useful fodder for a smear out of what was sure to have been thousands (for example, there were 8,000 people attend a gun show in Raleigh over the course of the weekend, and I suspect I could find several dozen conspiracy theorists or more that would give similar stories to what he culled, but that doesn't make them representative of the larger group).
It's a smear job from a shameless propagandist, and yet another blow to the credibility of Tina Brown's Daily Beast, which seems to be trying to emulate the kind of journalism that is leading the New York Times into both irrelevancy and bankruptcy.
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Cy, this show what I have contended a while now. That is the left is not interested in truth, only in outcomes. Our current President is a case in point and the examples are many.
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I attended the Reno gun show (the big one at the Grand Sierra Resort) and I can safely say that in my several hours spent there, i never once saw an RPG. I don't know how many attended, but it was so crowded that you couldn't ever walk freely. Good times, Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story- is that their motto?
Posted by: Scott at May 04, 2009 04:16 PM (0snxn)
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Attended the Raleigh gun show this weekend... no rpg-7s. I've seen disabled AT-4s there before but all you can buy is the tube. I guess if ya throw it at someone it might do some damage. Claims like this are so ludicrous that they are almost funny.
Posted by: brandon at May 04, 2009 07:21 PM (6sXlH)
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Come on guys, everybody knows you have to give the secret handshake and password to see the "good stuff" at the gun shows. There's no way they'd let some libtard JournoList behind the curtains.
Heh!
Posted by: daleyrocks at May 04, 2009 08:04 PM (odYIP)
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A .308 sniper rifle, huh? Another classic example of someone who knows NOTHING about firearms writing about firearms! An M-14, which fires a terribly slow, heavy 7.64 round is the .308 "sniper" rifle we ALL were forced to carry back in the 60's. It also happens to be a favorite for big game hunters who need short-range, heavy striking power. A SNIPER rifle it most certainly is NOT.
Next!!
Posted by: Dell at May 04, 2009 11:01 PM (uRver)
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Dell, the M14 fires the 7.62x51 NATO, or .308. That cartridge is most certainly used in some sniper applications (mission dependent). It is also used to hunt deer and other medium sized game and, therefore, ubiquitous as a hunting cartridge. The libtard at the Daily Beast would have the uneducated believe that any centerfire rifle is, in fact, a dangerous sniper rifle. If you haven't read the comments over there, don't. Your blood pressure will rise to dangerous levels. By their lights, the only firearms we "need" are shotguns and single shot .22s.
If he saw functional RPGs and bazooka "guns" being sold at that show...I'll eat my hat.
Posted by: Barntender at May 05, 2009 12:03 AM (URr0a)
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We'd better be careful if Blumenthal is on the case. Why, I was at an ACORN meeting last Friday and just after we drank the blood of young children and swore our allegiance to exterminate the Jews, we were personally visited by none other than President Biden who told us of the status of the alien takeover.
The one thing he wasn't able to explain is why the media continues to fall into irrelevance, especially with all of these great, anonymous source stories they're reporting on. It's like they're missing something in the big picture.
Posted by: HatlessHessian at May 05, 2009 12:12 AM (7r7wy)
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......Pinot Noir....
Good freaking Jay-Sus.
Smirking and nose leaking coffee in the good old mid-west.
Posted by: ac halle at May 05, 2009 11:01 AM (YEUKH)
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Well, hell! I want one! I do so detest the left.
Posted by: cmblake6 at May 05, 2009 12:46 PM (mSaOp)
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Remember your Oath? REMEMBER YOUR OATH!
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at May 05, 2009 10:01 PM (hairM)
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at May 05, 2009 10:01 PM (hairM)
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If he saw functional RPGs and "bazooka guns" being sold at that show, I will carry his ammo and water from the Hall of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli and kiss his ass when we get there.
Posted by: Letalis Maximus, Esq. at May 05, 2009 10:01 PM (hairM)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
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I bought a bazooka gun at the Reno Gun Show.
I use it to protect myself from Michael J. Fox and Bigfoot whenever they come our from under my bed in their Delorean and try to do anal probe stuff on me.
Please don't let Sydney Blumenthal take it away from me!
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at May 05, 2009 10:05 PM (wsgMR)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
Posted by: RickenAxer at May 05, 2009 10:09 PM (XymOx)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
Posted by: RickenAxer at May 05, 2009 10:09 PM (XymOx)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
Posted by: RickenAxer at May 05, 2009 10:09 PM (XymOx)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
Posted by: RickenAxer at May 05, 2009 10:09 PM (XymOx)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
Posted by: RickenAxer at May 05, 2009 10:09 PM (XymOx)
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Blumenthal must be attending the sissy-shows. I was recently at the Tampa Gun Show, and I saw someone buy an M1 Abrams tank. Really. Just when you think you saw everything, someone else walked out of there having picked up a Zumwalt class destroyer. I don't know how I missed that one, but sometimes you get so fixated on what is *on* the table that you miss the destroyer behind it.
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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"Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
Agreed. But Riefenstahl would have created a seductive work of art, which is why she was dangerous in ways Blumenthal will never be.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:12 PM (eQmfC)
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Zumwalt: Yeah, I was the guy that bought that M1. I passed on the destroyer because the docking fees can be a bitch.
Posted by: Arturito at May 05, 2009 10:23 PM (eQmfC)
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Gun shows are the political townhalls for conservatives and libertarians. Attacking them has nothing to do with fear of guns, except as a method for getting the shows banned.
The Pomona show in LA had 50,000 people twice a year and it was the greatest political meeting in California. It was banned supposedly because of some gun sales in the parking lot. By that criteria, every rock concert in the country should be banned because of the on site drug sales.
Posted by: K at May 05, 2009 10:31 PM (ESyOe)
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I've been to the Reno show, and there were many tables selling Soviet army uniforms, Soviet guns, and even Soviet pins and medals. Obviously the show is a hotbed of revolutionary communist party activity.
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at May 05, 2009 10:42 PM (VONfw)
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An RPG? A flippin' RPG and a Bazzoka Gun? That's it? Tell that dummy to come to Tennessee, that's where the really good stuff is!
Why, just last weekend in Smyrna I bought a freakin' B2 BOMBER! With Crew! Bye bye, San Francisco!
Posted by: Donald Sensing at May 05, 2009 10:45 PM (ZrAl2)
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You guys think you're cute.
. A friend of mine named Ward
owns a Fletcher.
DD-574
John Rogers.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 05, 2009 11:10 PM (Fe6uK)
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Kasper made me laugh. I would have included a Larry Flynt reference, though.
Posted by: Runcible at May 05, 2009 11:22 PM (zfnhI)
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Blumenthal is a nasty creep. He's the one who filmed himself harassing McCain's mother and daughter at the RNC convention.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/john-mccains-mother-and-daughter-abused.html
He was proud of himself for that. He also tried to do ambush interviews at Sarah Palin's church, but the folks there had been warned.
Posted by: stace at May 05, 2009 11:25 PM (g/wgk)
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Last gun show I went to, I saw this. And they were giving it away:
http://gizmodo.com/tag/sea-shadow/
Posted by: Don at May 05, 2009 11:30 PM (mqsH/)
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Come up to Minnesota; we had a guy selling something called a Star Destroyer, though he said I had to provide my own Tie Fighters.
I wasn't sure what he meant by all that fancy weapons jargon so I bought a .32 Derringer instead.
Posted by: Haritumo at May 06, 2009 12:02 AM (9v34C)
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Honestly, why should I give a damn what propagandists like that put out?
Why should I give a damn what the assorted ignoramuses in the comments there think? Other than to laugh when they start talking about what weapons one needs for "hunting".
The 2A recognizes the basic human right to arms specifically to counteract what groups of fools such as those might attempt.
At the end of the day, I am armed and they are not. What, specifically, do they intend to do if we refuse to obey? Sic the military after us? News flash - the military wouldn't do a damn thing, because we ARE the military. All of us - soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen, swear allegiance first and foremost to the Constitution, not a bunch of birkenstock-clad mocha-sippers.
If tripe like that encourages them to try their luck, all the better - it's going to have to be settled again sooner or later.
Posted by: abcd1 at May 06, 2009 01:29 AM (WXE5d)
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The second revolution appears to be coming.....sooner than later mebbe.
Are the dems and libs so blind they dont see the hangings in front of the Houses of congress coming??????
Posted by: Fercryinoutloud at May 06, 2009 03:00 AM (wG+y0)
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First question, how long is a rifle barrel? Can it fit in a camera bag? Who uses camera bags anymore? And doesn't a sniper rifle by definition have a long barrel for accuracy?
Second question (or issue): By your comment: "I'm less than impressed with tired leftist tactic he used of finding a small number of crackpots from multiple events and presenting them as being a fair representation of the overall group. Whether used by Blumenthal or Riefenstahl, it is purposefully dishonest."
You're probably thinking of the vile Nazi anti-semitic film "Jud Süß", where photos of deformed Jews were used to represent all Jews. That was directed by Veit Harlan (thank God for IMDB}. Leni Riefenstahl is notorious for "Triumph of the Will", the filming of a Nazi Nurenberg rally and "Olympia" about the 1936 Olympics. I don't think she ever used the tactic that you described.
However, Susan Roesgen, made famous by YouTube did exactly that at the Chicago Tea Party and was called on it by a Tea Party demonstrator. The Liberals feel that they are so much smarter than the rest of us, but they're uninformed dumbsh*ts.
Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at May 06, 2009 08:23 AM (6VG7x)
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Max Blumenthal, the author of the article in Daily Beast, is the gay son of Sydney Blumenthal, a prominent Clinton toady. He frequently authors Christian-bashing and anti-conservative pieces for this website.
Posted by: Banjo at May 06, 2009 10:07 AM (1DQ52)
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Hey! How did that LibTard find an RPG and I can't? I want one too.
Posted by: John at May 06, 2009 02:01 PM (QKlMf)
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It seems to be the truth that "...clinging to their guns and bibles" is what it is all about. Would there be a rational reason stated for owning automatic weapons to hunt game I would be impressed. I guess the guns will have to suffice - they're easier to handle then a penile implant. Where's the sport in rapid fire killing game? Stock with your conspiracy theories, gay bashing and Lib hating trash talk - there's room in the USA for crazies too.
I'm sure you will take the pledge. "In Rush we believe".
ROTFLMAO
Posted by: Lefty at May 06, 2009 03:13 PM (9EFwE)
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Also, why are you "guys" always so fixated on gays? Curious? Jealous? Subliminating your basic desires?
It always seems that the posts on these macho right sites gets down to gay bashing in short order. Maybe you should be consulting one of those latte drinking, Volvo driving shrinks to get to the root of your issues.
Larry Craig must be your hero since he was fearless in pursuit of his passion.
You'd have much more credibility if you could justify your beliefs without ad hominem attacks on fellow citizens who have also died in service to their country - regardless of sexual orientation, religion, race, etc.
No factual support, attack others for their sexuality, religion, etc.
"the truth will set you free"
Posted by: Lefty at May 06, 2009 03:25 PM (zw/nX)
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I see that my comment were deleted - I guess you "guys" can't stand any dissent from your racist, bigoted and small minded discussions.
So much for Constitutional freedoms - other then, of course, the right to bear arms and kill things.
Pity!
Posted by: lefty at May 06, 2009 05:22 PM (3fPCD)
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Hey Blumenthal!
Go over to http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PL61851 and get yourself a shiny new Phaser. It is more "real" then those "RPG's" and "bazooka guns" that you hallucinated....errr....saw at the Reno gun show.
Posted by: Nahanni at May 09, 2009 04:21 AM (S4wMM)
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April 27, 2009
Jimmy Carter's Cry for Help
Jimmy Carter
needs to be disarmed:
I have used weapons since I was big enough to carry one, and now own two handguns, four shotguns and three rifles, two with scopes. I use them carefully, for hunting game from our family woods and fields, and occasionally for hunting with my family and friends in other places. We cherish the right to own a gun and some of my hunting companions like to collect rare weapons. One of them is a superb craftsman who makes muzzle-loading rifles, one of which I displayed for four years in my private White House office.
But none of us wants to own an assault weapon, because we have no desire to kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives. ThatÂ’s why the White House and Congress must not give up on trying to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, even if it may be politically difficult.
President Carter doesn't go on to mention precisely what kind of firearms he owns or what calibers they are chambered for, but I feel confident asserting that every single firearm he owns, in every caliber he owns, has been used to kill people, and I suspect we can include police officers wearing bullet-resistent vests in that tally. I'm equally confident that weapons strikingly similar to what Carter owns can be directly linked to some of the worst mass killings in American history, most of which did not use "assault rifles."
Carter claims that he has no desire to " kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives."
But can we really trust him?
After all, Carter admits to owning two handguns, and it was with two handguns that Seung-Hui Cho committed 32 murders at Virginia Tech before taking his own life, and Jiverly Wong recently used two handguns to kill 13 befor taking his own life in Binghampton, New York.
Carter also admits to owning an arsenal of four shotguns, and it was a pump-shotgun that Eric Harris fired 25 times at Columbine High school; his perverse partner Dylan Klebold was found with a sawed-off double-barrel shotgun beside his body as well.
As for Carter's scoped rifles, why are his any different than the weapons used by Charles Whitman in his Texas bell tower attack that left 14 killed and 32 wounded?
Perhaps it is safest to err on the side of caution and view Carter's angry letter to the editor as a final cry for help before he embarks on his own killing spree.
Jimmy Carter owns weapons have been used in more mass killing sprees than the assault weapons that that the former president is somehow convinced contain a malevolent soul, and Carter's record of incompetence has been unmercifully skewered for three decades as being one of the most incompetent Presidents in American history, giving him a far greater reason to go on a random killing spree than almost any mass shooter in American history.
Perhaps America does need more gun control.
Let's start with James Earl Carter.
Update: Jimmy has killed before, shooting his sister's cat. Don't profilers claim that animal cruelty is one sign of a sociopath?
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Not to mention his propensity for shooting his relatives cats:
http://tjic.com/?p=7681
Posted by: Diogenes Online at April 27, 2009 01:20 PM (2MrBP)
Posted by: Nathaniel at April 27, 2009 06:07 PM (S6/QI)
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Good Heavens.
How does one 'sting' a cat (your sister-in-law's to boot) by shooting close to it with a SHOTGUN??? Hello? This sounds so absurd and contrary to any firearms safety/common sense that I'd be willing to guess that the truth is rather more blunt.
Best regards, Peter Warner.
Posted by: Peter Warner at April 28, 2009 12:29 AM (c4kJo)
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Dylan Klebold.
Otherwise very well said.
We should also disarm anyone who remains foolish enough to entertain the opinions of James Earl Carter.
Posted by: ThomasD at April 28, 2009 12:40 AM (21H5U)
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The Second Amendment is not about hunting rights, it is about the right of citizens to be able to throw off the chains of the tyrant. The right of self defense is the right of self determination. We have the right to decide by whom and how we are governed. The only way to insure that right is by the force of arms if necessary. Military style weapons are exactly what the founders intended for citizens to own and have access to.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at April 28, 2009 09:30 AM (tRKLa)
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But none of us wants to own an assault weapon, because we have no desire to kill policemen or go to a school or workplace to see how many victims we can accumulate before we are finally shot or take our own lives.
That statement really really pisses me off! So because I own a so called "assault weapon" I am a psychopath according to peanut head. What a POS he is WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Although Obama is weel on his way to leaving him in the dust.
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April 26, 2009
Letter to an Ignorant Hero
It is more than a little sad that a
man like Mr. Crumbo put his life on the line in dangerous combat missions in the service of a Constitution and Bill of Rights he clearly knew nothing about.
As various other posters to the op-ed linked above have made clear, the 1994 "assault weapons" ban did not ban so much as ONE assault weapon or machine gun capable of firing one shot per trigger pull. It was, for all intents and purposes, a law to ban scary looking features on some firearms, and did not in any way affect their lethality or rate of fire.
The Second Amendment that Mr. Crumbo so clearly does not understand was not written to protect your hunting rights. It was written by a group of very wise men who had just watched a army comprised largely of civilian militiamen defeat one of the most formidable land armies on the planet. The Second Amendment was expressly written to protect the rights of following generations to own arms that would be suitable for them to use as militiamen if the need again arises, as it has repeatedly through American history, most recently (to my knowledge) in the Battle of Athens/McMinn County War in 1946.
The semi-automatic intermediate-caliber rifles that mimic the look and feel of today's modern military weapons, far from being something not protected by the Second Amendment, are the very weapons that should be most protected by a Right that ensures Americans never again need feel the boot of a tyrant on their necks. It is perhaps the Right most singularly responsible for ensuring that our United States boasts what may be the oldest continuously-functioning government on Earth.
The Second Amendment was never about home defense, or hunting, or target shooting. The clear purpose of the right to keep and bear arms was to create a nation of riflemen, a citizenry armed with weapons suitable for use as a militiaman.
If former Navy SEAL Kim Crumbo is the weapons expert he claims to be, perhaps he can point out a civilian weapon more suitable for the militia use imagined by our Founding Fathers that the very semi-automatic rifles that he now says should be banned.
I thank Mr. Crumb for his service, and hope that he uses his retirement to educate himself about a Constitution he defended, but so clearly never understood.
(h/t NC Tea Party Revolution)
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"The clear purpose of the right to keep and bear arms was to create a nation of riflemen, a citizenry armed with weapons suitable for use as a militiaman."
CY, the Second Amendment was written, (not created as that term often carries) to recognize that there is the natural right of the people to keep and bear arms. That's it. Nothing more. It was written to reinforce a clear understanding that the government had no power to infringe on this right.
The reasons for the right are, for all intents and purposes are irrelevant, including recognition of the benefit that this right brings to the government and society in the form of having a well regulated militia available to tap if needed.
Posted by: Dusty at April 26, 2009 03:30 PM (fFk/c)
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I should clarify my previous comment. There are three reasons, if you will, that the right to keep and bear arms is a natural right: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Posted by: Dusty at April 26, 2009 03:35 PM (fFk/c)
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I always find it intersting that the 2nd Amendment was penned immediately after the Amendment regarding Freedom of Speech. I cannot help put personally think that protection of one Freedom might someday be dependent upon the second "right." Just a personal thought.
Posted by: Mike at April 26, 2009 05:48 PM (g93+P)
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Crumbo is a long-time greenie activist and Sierra Clubber. It doesn't surprise me a bit that he supports the Left's position on this as he does on everything else.
Posted by: Tully at April 26, 2009 06:33 PM (tUyDE)
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IF... the basis for the 2nd amendment was to protect the right of the people to collectively defend themselves, then why are machine guns and bazookas and rocket launchers off limits? What good are hunting rifles against a modern armed army?
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[Posted by steve sturm at April 27, 2009 11:21 AM]
Gee, I'd never considered the power of a moronic argument such as that one. I've changed my mind now.
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April 15, 2009
Uh, No
The Mexican police have captured another cache of weapons from a drug cartel, and their apparent instinct was to hype their find as being something more than what they captured, which the
Daily Mail bought into entirely.
The "anti-aircraft gun" in the picture is an old M1919 in what appears to be an A4 configuration, and is mounted on a low-tripod for its designed use, allowing infantry to take on ground targets, not aircraft.
Far from the 800-rounds-per-minute claim in the Daily Mail, the cyclic rate of fire was rate of 400-600 rounds per minute, but because the gun was air-cooled and would overheat if fired continuously, it was fired in short bursts, resulting in a rate of fire that was much less.
This is as much an anti-aircraft gun as Margaret Thatcher is a Victoria's Secret model. Sure, all the basic parts are there, but pressing this configuration into a role it was never designed for is a recipe for disaster, and the over-hyping Mexican Police should be ashamed of themselves.
(Via Instapundit.)
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I will grant all your points and thank you for pointing them out. But the most terrible thing I can see from the picture is that the terrorist stands boldly and openly while the government agents are masked. It is far more dangerous in Mexico to be a cop than a criminal.
In both Pakistan and Mexico, the government has lost control and if either of those states fails, it will make Somalia look like Disneyland.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at April 15, 2009 01:24 PM (dmMtD)
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We need to make it illegal to own an anti-aircraft weapon.
Posted by: david at April 15, 2009 02:09 PM (dccG2)
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As a physician I have been on both sides of the thought process of drugs. Now, after over 30 years of observation and treatment I feel we are creating a significant problem with the "war on drugs". We fund terrorist and gangs with making illegal substance people want illegal. They get these wether the law permits or not. If the government just steppecd out of the picture, then people could go to Walgreens and buy what they want without a doctors ok. If they want medical help they could get it. This would reduce the cost of medicine and medical care and substantially save us tax money that we spend on the DEA and prison system. It would even reduce the incidence of AIDS, hep C and bacterial endocarditis for which we spend billions every year. The cost would be addicts who are addicts already.
Posted by: david at April 15, 2009 02:17 PM (dccG2)
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The news article doesn't show all the pictures of the arsenal.
Here is the M2 they are referring to.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4062312&postcount=20
Posted by: Alpheus at April 15, 2009 06:47 PM (Jrj8d)
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Still not an "antiaircraft" gun. That's an M2 .50-caliber heavy machine gun, a general-purpose weapon originally designed for use against unarmored and lightly armored vehicles. True, you can shoot at airplanes with it, but that isn't what it was designed for. Nor, it would appear, is it what this one was meant for. The mounting suggests that somebody used it to turn an SUV into a gun-truck, for use against vehicles and personnel.
Traditionally,
antiaircraft identifies a gun that fires explosive shells at least 20mm in diameter and can kill or severely damage an aircraft with one or two hits.
Posted by: wolfwalker at April 15, 2009 08:03 PM (1eyqK)
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Margaret Thatcher as a VS model... Yikes. Anyone got any "brain bleach" handy??
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In any event, those are not things anyone bought at a gun show in Texas or Arizona or anywhere else in the US. The most likely source of such weapons is the Mexican army or international weapons smugglers.
Posted by: George Bruce at April 16, 2009 05:25 PM (v4XVE)
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April 14, 2009
20/20 Blows Another Gun Story
No, ABC News didn't
put explosives in a gas tank, but they certainly stacked the deck in creating Diane Sawyer's "guns are bad, guns are useless" self-fulfilling prophecy, which AWR Hawkins deftly exposes at
Pajamas Media.
The scenario is worth watching, if only to point out the flaws in the contrived scenario, starting with neophytes playing the role of CCH holders, the CCHs being forced to wear a holster in a position where they could not draw their weapon in a sitting postion (and would not think of carrying a weapon in real life simply for reasons of comfort).
And of course, ABC rigged an outcome where the only possible outcome was the death of students in the scenario, with the only question being "how many?"
In real life, of course, there is never just one possible scenario or possible outcome.
As I noted in a comment at PJM, what ABC News pointedly didn't run is what I would dub the "Virginia Tech" scenario.
Have a student with a concealed weapons hear shots in another classroom, draw his weapon, and cover the door. Then tell me how far the shooter gets through that classroom door, compared to rooms without a CCH.
Alternately, think about the possible reaction of CCH to seeing an agitated man pull a weapon or enter the hallway brandishing the weapon on the way to a classroom. Frankly, if I was a student or faculty member with a CCH and saw an agitated man pull a weapon as he entered a class room in front of me, my immediate reaction would be to draw my sidearm and draw a bead on the back of his skull and close the distance.
It isnÂ’t always that the CCH closest to the threat is immediately on top of it, or that in a mass shooting, the perp will always have the element of surprise on his side.
People who legally carry concealed weapons are not going to magically prevent attempted mass murders. There are simply too few of us in the general population, and well-meaning but ignorant people in positions of power make it far too difficult to carry in the very settings (schools, businesses, civic buildings) where such attacks are most likely to occur.
But just because a concealed carry permit holder can't be everywhere a shooting takes place or prevent people from always getting killed in these rampages doesn't negate their potential to alter or terminate a threat in some scenarios.
It's funny, but the same people who rail against concealed weapons because they are concerned about the rare instances of CCH permit holders becoming violent never seem to want to talk about the possible lives that could be saved by them.
It's almost as if they have an agenda...
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There are no second amendment protections in Mexico. And now that the government and the drug cartels have merged into a single business unit, there is nothing that the average Mexican can do - even to protect his own family.
Perhaps Diane Sawyer would like to live there?
Posted by: MAS1916 at April 14, 2009 11:14 AM (EjR/1)
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My guess: it's because liberals simply don't believe guns can save lives. Ever. Their view of guns is very simple: Guns! Kill! People! Whether the dead person is an innocent victim or a would-be killer, all they see is the body.
On a tangent, related to a previous post: like Instapundit says, I'd like to see some media jerk claim that
this arsenal was bought in the US. In passing, I noted that the reporter botched the story as usual: the big gun on the tripod, identified as "an anti-aircraft gun," is no such thing. It's an air-cooled machine gun, I think a .30-caliber Browning M1919. Made primarily for ground targets, like enemy soldiers and unarmored vehicles.
Posted by: wolfwalker at April 15, 2009 07:10 AM (1eyqK)
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"But just because a concealed carry permit holder can't be everywhere a shooting takes place or prevent people from always getting killed in these rampages doesn't negate their potential to alter or terminate a threat in some scenarios."
The same can be said about the Police. They can't be everywhere, nor can they prevent all crimes. That is not an argument to abolish police forces.
Posted by: George Bruce at April 16, 2009 05:30 PM (v4XVE)
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