October 24, 2005
Learning From The Master
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Havana, Cuba, October 24, 2005 in the wake of Hurricane Wilma
Fidel Castro proves that he, too, can learn something from New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.
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Where's the bearded "Maximum Leader" when his people need him?
Posted by: Tom T at October 25, 2005 06:25 AM (ywZa8)
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he's just trying to show people that buses unlike old cars do not float, otherwise they would all disappear until found by the USCG trying to reach the US.
Posted by: cohetedude at October 26, 2005 10:26 PM (RM4O3)
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Are you sure that's a Cuban photo? The word Ecoliers looks to me like a Louisiana flourish.
Posted by: Omri at October 26, 2005 11:32 PM (ShmyP)
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Landfall
Folks, Hurricane Wilma is makinging
landfall as a 125 MPH Category 3 major hurricane near Marco Island, Florida. It is stronger than almost anyone predicted.
Please say a prayer for all the people too stupid or arrogant to get out of the way, of which there were many, (including members of my family in West Palm Beach).
After Rita and Katrina, you'd think people would learn.
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October 21, 2005
The Quake That Disappeared
When I
made my guestimate on October 9 that the Pakistani quake might lead up to 100,000 dead, I'd hoped that that figure would be substantially off.
Sadly, it may not be:
The top United Nations top relief coordinator Jan Egeland, incensed by what he saw as a woefully inadequate international response to the most difficult relief operation the world has ever seen, called on the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) to stage a massive airlift to get survivors to safety.
That would mean helicopters, the only means of getting quickly deep into the rugged Himalayan foothills of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and the North West Frontier Province where 51,000 people are dead. That toll, in addition to some 1,300 who were killed in Jammu and Kashmir, is still expected to rise substantially. Pakistan said the number of injured, now 74,000, could also leap because large quake-hit areas had not yet been reached.
Our own weather woes and political scandals de jour have all but erased this from the American mind. You can keep up with the rescue and recover effort at the South Asia Quake Blog.
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Why should the MSM ever give a thought to a disaster that can't be blamed on Americans in general and Bush, Christians and Republicans in particular?
Posted by: gluxian at October 22, 2005 11:32 AM (BewsC)
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I hate that it happened, but it sure quieted those Islamofascists who loudly contended that the US hurricanes of the past two years were judgments from Allah on an evil infidel populace. One would have thought they'd have learned not to make such 'pious' pronouncements after the tsunami hit.
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October 20, 2005
Wilma Eyes Yucatan... For Now
Via CTV, eh?
Hurricane Wilma was downgraded to a still powerful Category Four storm on Wednesday night, but forecasters say it could regain strength as it rips across the Atlantic.
As of 11 p.m. EDT, the centre of Hurricane Wilma was about 380 kilometres south-east of Cozumel, Mexico. The storm was heading west-northwest at 13-kilometres per hour, and a turn toward the northwest was expected Thursday.
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October 19, 2005
WIIIILLL-MA! Monster Reaches Category 5 Overnight
...And she's rocking with enough power to scour Bedrock off the map.
Via Fox News:
Hurricane Wilma strengthened into a Category 5 monster early Wednesday packing 175 mph winds, and forecasters said a key reading of the storm's pressure showed it to be the most powerful of the year.
Wilma was dumping rain on Central America and Mexico, and forecasters warned of a "significant threat" to Florida by the weekend.
The storm's power multiplied greatly over the last day. It was only Tuesday morning that Wilma grew from a tropical storm into a weak hurricane with 80 mph winds.
Wilma's pressure readings Wednesday morning indicated that it was the strongest hurricane of the season, said Trisha Wallace, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami. Wilma had a reading of 892 millibars, the same reading as a devastating unnamed hurricane that hit the Florida Keys in 1935.
"We do not know how long it will maintain this Category 5 state," Wallace said.
Not long, I'd hope. Idaho sure sounds nice...
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Ah hell! Here we go again. I live in the Gulf Coast of Fla and we are keeping one eye on this one, but with our nightly temps in the 50's, it's doubtful that it will churn this way. HOWEVER, I am from South Florida and my entire family (except my kids or course) is THERE! Aggggghhhh! Either they are hoping it will pass north of them, or I am about to have a house full of family in two days. Double Aggggghhhhh!
Whatever happens, just say extra prayers the next few days!
Idaho here I come (oh, wait a minute, I HATE Idaho)
Posted by: Michelle at October 19, 2005 08:27 AM (1ojLZ)
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Michelle, My sister-in-law, her husband and my two small nieces just moved to West Palm a month ago, so I'll be saying a prayer for all of you.
Folks, if you don't mind, I've got a "
bleg" up I'd entice you to respond to.
Thanks!
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I live in North Central Idaho. Peak winds for the next two days is forecast at 10 MPH. You HATE Idaho? Fine with me. You are welcome to visit for
special events but unless you are a relative of mine or close friend I would just as soon you stayed away.
Good luck on you upcoming wind storm.
Posted by: Joe Huffman at October 19, 2005 09:19 AM (aFOA0)
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notice to gulf coast people don't tell us about your weather next jan. when we in chicago are in 12" of snow by the way i like snow.
Posted by: yochanan at October 19, 2005 11:42 AM (ywZa8)
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Hate Idaho? Great! Stay away and tell John Kerry and his vulgar sugar mommy to do the same.
But I'll still say a prayer for you.
Posted by: kelly at October 19, 2005 12:16 PM (AISkQ)
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Sorry that you will have to facing more storms. We love living in Northern Idaho and we will be glad to have lots of snow and cold weather if it means more people like you will not be moving here. Good luck to you
Posted by: Sandy at October 19, 2005 02:12 PM (6mUkl)
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Michelle:
wait a minute, I HATE Idaho
Don't your worry your tortured little head. Idaho couldn't care about your foolish hatred one bit.
I live here in the panhandle (of Idaho, thank the Lord), and I find it amusing to see you people who live in the path of these annual stormfests whimper and moan like some miserable dirty little Bangladeshi.
Pack up and move! Or can't you tell that God isn't particularly sensitive to your "sunshine state."?
I mean, we here in the rest of the country can save you once or twice, but we tire of doing the same thing over and over again, year after year. (The definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing, expecting different results.)
Carla F
Bonners Ferry, Idaho
Posted by: Carla Fussell at October 19, 2005 07:45 PM (wjJFD)
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Um, how did this turn into a Florida
vs. Idaho thread? I used to work for a company called MCMS based out of Nampa, and the folks in ID were always very nice. I have family (or after Wilma, that may read I
had family) in West Palm Beach and Jacksonville.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 19, 2005 07:53 PM (0fZB6)
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I live in the panhandle of Florida, and I LOVE Idaho. Y'all have the best potatoes, and the drive from Salt Lake City to Idaho Falls is a great trip, and aside from your nasty weather, I can't think of a single reason I wouldn't live there, personally.
But, we don't whine down here...we just deal. Hurricanes are just part of life down here on the coast. Nor do we expect y'all to save us, not that folks from Idaho bear the brunt of rescuing hurricane evacuees anyway...
But hey...thanks for reminding me why I love the South.
Posted by: catzmeow at October 20, 2005 09:41 AM (j2vfb)
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I didn't mean to contribute to a FL vs. ID fight. I have nothing against people who live in FL. I have some relatives and friends there. It's just that part of what makes ID wonderful is that there aren't many people here. That and we don't have hurricanes and seldom get tornados or earthquakes. Forest fires can be a pain however...
Best wishes on your upcoming confrontation with Wilma. I have relatives in Tampa and a friend near Jacksonville and I'll be thinking about all of you.
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October 17, 2005
Counterpoint
M.D. Patrick Cunningham sent the following email to Instapundit today regarding
avian flu hype:
As a medical researcher, I want to make a gentle but sincere plea to the blogosphere to calm down this flu hysteria just a bit. The main way that flu kills is by predisposing its victims to "superinfection" by bacterial illnesses - in 1918, we had no antibiotics for these superimposed infections, but now we have plenty. Such superinfections, and the transmittal of flu itself, were aided tremendously by the crowded conditions and poor sanitation of the early 20th century - these are currently vastly improved as well. Flu hits the elderly the hardest, but the "elderly" today are healthier, stronger, and better nourished than ever before. Our medical infrastructure is vastly better off, ranging from simple things like oxygen and sterile i.v. fluids, not readily available in 1918, to complex technologies such as respirators and dialysis. Should we be concerned? Sure, better safe than sorry, and concerns about publishing the sequence are worth discussing. Should we panic? No - my apologies to the fearmongers, but we will never see another 1918.
Patrick Cunningham M.D.
Assistant Professor of Medicine
Section of Nephrology
University of Chicago
I emailed Glenn the following as my response:
I am not a doctor, nor a biologist, nor a chemist. In any way that matters, I am completely unqualified to challenge the theory of Patrick Cunningham M.D. that the avian flu is over-hyped to the point of hysteria.
I'm going to do so anyway.
I, too, thought little at first of the media-darling pandemic, because I still remember the doom and gloom of Y2K, which wasn't that long ago. Hype alone doesn't do it for me. Then I read this article in the Raleigh, NC News and Observer, and decided to do some reading. I wasn't happy with what I found, and among those unhappy surprises, was the concept of "surge capacity."
To quote Dr. David Weber, medical director of hospital epidemiology at UNC Hospitals in Chapel Hill:
"Wal-Mart doesn't have a three-week supply of TVs; they may have a 12-hour supply," Weber said. "We've designed our hospitals the same way. We don't have surge capacity for anything, be it a bioterrorist attack, the avian flu, whatever."
In other words, if a pandemic does hit, it will happen with such speed that it will overwhelm the medical system by sheer weight of numbers, in an extremely brief amount of time. Having 50 ventilators in a hospital is a great thing, until you need 500, along with every other hospital in the region. The hospitals will fill up quickly, and after that, people will be largely on their own, and essentially left to fend for themselves at home, where technologies aren't that different on the internal medical front where they were in -- you guessed it -- 1918.
To me (and more importantly, the North Carolina Division of Public Health, and UNC epidemiologists interviewed in the N&O article) it seems like Dr. Cunningham's premise amounts to whistling past a graveyard.
I would love to be very, very wrong.
Sincerely,
It seems that a lot of the experts are blindly focusing on what we might have the knowledge to do, but not on the technical capability we have to execute their schemes in the compressed period of time in which a pandemic will likely occur.
What I've seen from the medical community so far (and what they've gotten wrong) makes flu pandemic planning look like Hurricane Katrina evacuations in a lab coat.
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cunningham is DEAD WRONG:
the 1918 flu killed HEALTHY YOUNG PEOPLE (not just the infirm and the old and the very young, as in a noremal flu epidemic).
and they DIED IN A FEW DAYS!
therefore they did NOT DIE FROM SECONDARY INFECTIONS - as cunningham WRONGLY ASSERTS - ["The main way that flu kills is by predisposing its victims to "superinfection" by bacterial illnesses - in 1918, we had no antibiotics for these superimposed infections, but now we have plenty."]
antibiotics will have ZERO EFFECT - for those with the flu or as a prophylactic.
if the 1918 flu were to strike today, we would fare just as badly. perhaps worse because the world is - in a fiogurative senmse - a smaller place inwhgich more people from more places interact closely and spread germs.
IF ND WHEN the current bird flu morphs into a human2human from, we are "cooked" - until a vaccine is made and is made available - which will take alot of time.
we do not even have the inductrial capaciy to make enough, RIGHT NOW.
be prepared; hard timers are coming. i know not when. but PROBABLY within the next few years and maybe next year.
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Geez, reliapundit, what are your credentials for making such a harsh condemnation of Cunningham's statement. Seems that every year we have a flu scare that stampedes people to get flu vaccinations. Could there be an agenda here? It also seems that every year the same proportion of people with or without vaccinations get the flu with much less then the predicted number of deaths. Is this going to be the year for a wide spread flu epidemic? No one knows. After 'crying wolf' every year who can believe CDC.
Oh, yes, in all those past years, I have never gotten a flu vaccination (I am 70 now) and I have never gotten the flu. Could be that Cunningham is right about at least one thing.
Posted by: docdave at October 18, 2005 06:26 PM (n16Wm)
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facts are facts. you can look it up: most of the 1918 victims were young men - 18-35, and most died in 3 days.
they did not die from secondary/"superimposed" infections as cunningham ERRONEOUSLY offered.
therefore, his argument that antibiotics and other medical interventions to deal with these superimposed infectioins is WRONG.
that is NOT to say we will have a pandemic at all. the bird flu does NOT have to mutate into a human2human form.
but if it does, it can spread VERY fast, and kill a lot of people before it burns out and before any vaccine is available to a significant percentage of the population.
these are facts.
like'em or not. a fact is a fact.
this is not fearmongering. we shouold be prepared. and arguing that we have plentantibiotics around is NOT a good way to get prepared.
we need a sense of URGENCY about this POTENTIAL problem becasue the downside is so bad.
and by the time it is an EMERGENCY it will be too late to do ANYTHING.
okay?
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Reliapundit is right about the demographics of death in 1918. A fabulous book from a couple of years ago about the 1918 influenz, called
Amazon.com: Books: The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague In History pretty much spells out the details. Apparently that flu hyperactivated the immune system and the strongest humane systems were in the young adult range. It's unclear whether, if that flu were to strike today, modern antibiotics would be of any use in quelling this immediate and violent immune system response. I'm with CY that this is something different and worth being afraid of. I'd rather have an over reaction now, which results in vaccine research and drug stock piling, then place my hopes in a belief that this might end up being a tempest in a teapot. We're long overdue for something like this, and the 50% mortality rate for those who have gotten avian flu demands vigilance.
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October 13, 2005
Misunderestimating "Captain Trips"
According to an article in the 10/12 Raleigh
News & Observer titled "N.C. flu plan needs checkup," reporter Amy Gardner notes in her
opening paragraphs:
The potential for a catastrophic flu outbreak has public health leaders worldwide reviewing how ready they are. In North Carolina, the bottom line is the same as nearly everywhere else: A pandemic would overwhelm the state's health care system.
With a shortage of hospital beds and vaccines, the state would struggle to treat the sick in a worst-case epidemic infecting 1 million North Carolinians, hospitalizing 25,000 and killing 5,000.
Wait just a minute. 5,000 dead?
The numbers cited by Gardener came from the N.C. Division of Public Health's Pandemic Influenza Plan.
The NC DPH begins its report by admitting it was calibrated using obsolete data, basing their population data on 1999 NC population figure of 7,425,183, and readily admits that these figures are substantially off by approximately 1 million residents. This concurs with 2004 US Census Bureau estimates, which states North Carolina had an estimated population of 8,541,221. Acknowledging that your base numbers are wrong to begin with doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Based upon woefully outdated population figures, the DPH actually cites a worst case scenario (PDF) of nearly 1.4 million North Carolinians infected and requiring outpatient visits, 30,631 hospitalized, and resulting in the deaths of 6,994. The figures cited by the News and Observer story above were actually mid-range figures from the same report, not the worst case as the article claims.
With a rough calibration taking into account the 15.044-percent jump in population from 7.43 to 8.5 million, more accurate numbers are probably that same percentage (15.044%) higher.
A worst-case scenario flu pandemic based up these figures with a 35% infection rate claims to kill fewer than 11,000 North Carolinas, or something in the neighborhood of 0.129-percent of the total North Carolina population.
This is what we are afraid of?
Not quite. These are estimates based upon one software model that I am highly suspicious of, as history shows us something else entirely.
The closest-known relative of the H51N avian flu we currently fear is the H1N1 Type a Influenza virus responsible for the 1918-19 pandemic.
Overall infection rates of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic were 20-30 percent of the overall population. Global mortality rates from the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic ranged from 2.5-percent to 5-percent of the infected population.
Figuring a 20-percent infection rate in a population of 8.5 million, and a minimal mortality rate of 2.5-percent of the infected population, we are looking at 42,500 dead, not 5,000.
I may be wrong on the math. It has been consistently been my worst subject throughout my educational career.
That said, I cannot understand the huge apparent discrepancy between the anemic pandemic forecast by the NC Division of Public Health, and the historical example of the last major Influenza Type A infection seen in the Spanish Flu of 1918.
Comments and a thorough debunking are encouraged. I'd be thrilled to be wrong on this one.
Note: "Captain Trips" was the nickname of a weaponized super-flu that escaped a military weapons lab and killed 99.6% of Earth's human population in the 1978 Stephen King opus, The Stand.
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Your math is correct, 42,500 with the basic assumption there has been NO advances in medical science over the last 88 years that would reduce the mortality rate. But then you are using the least case scenerio 30% and 5% would give a level of ]
127,500
Posted by: Dan Kauffman at October 13, 2005 07:35 AM (ZgJa9)
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Your math is correct, 42,500 with the basic assumption there has been NO advances in medical science over the last 88 years that would reduce the mortality rate.
There
is a reason I didn't factor in medical advances, and that can be summed up in two words: "Surge capacity."
The medical system has a finite amount of physical resources, and these resources are not designed for mass casualty events of any sort, especially not on the scale of a pandemic. If the forecast pandemic hits with the speed and distribution expected, the medical system will (most likely) be completely overwhelmed.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 13, 2005 08:14 AM (g5Nba)
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Surge capacity may bring the rate up a bit, but not several percentage points. The nation as a whole is healthier, since then we've also started inoculating the general public with vaccines going to those most susceptible to the virus. From the research IÂ’ve seen and the doctors IÂ’ve talked to the virus that caused the pandemic of 1918 has for all intensive purposes been rendered impotent.
Right now itÂ’s a minor issue and the virus will have to mutate slowly to maintain its full strength, it will take several years before it can effectively be transmitted from person to person. In which case experts all say a vaccine will be readily available.
Or it may become intertwined with another strand of the flu that can be readily spread from person to person; however it will suffer a distinct drop in its virility (punny huh?).
Either way, thereÂ’s much ado about nothing. If there isnÂ’t a breakdown in the supply chain of the flu vaccine we shouldnÂ’t have a problem. Remember last year when we had the break down in the supply chain, and there was a virulent strain of the flu virus running rampant that was going to kill millions in the US alone. Yeah I donÂ’t remember the death counts being that high.
I blame Bush.
Posted by: phin at October 13, 2005 11:00 AM (Xvpen)
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I'm not sure you understand the huge limitations low surge capacity has during a mass casualty event such as a pandemic.
Use the 150 ventilators example from the N&O article.
You have 150 ventilators. Patient 151 that requires a ventilator to live. He doesnÂ’t get one. He will likely die.
The problem with a pandemic is that you won't need just 151 ventilators at a time, you'll need 1500, or more, in a matter of just a few days. Anyone beyond that 150th person is likely to die. Likewise, UNC Hospitals has a less than 700 bed capability, and thousands are expected to need hospitalization at once, meaning many people will have to be turned away.
The current avian flu (H15N) when it makes the jump to capable of being spread human-to-human, will spread at a much faster rate than the 1918 flu. The 1918 virus circled the globe in less than a few months, even with the relatively primitive transportation systems they had at the time (primarily land transportation, often still relying on isolated rail services, foot, horseback, and ships). We now have subways, interstate highways, and commercial aviation. Instead of months, the virus could circle the globe in just weeks, and if 1918 can be a guide, it will run its course so fast that it will be over before it can substantially mutate and weaken.
The vaccine cannot be developed until the virus mutates until a human-transmissible form, either by shift or drift. You want to guess how long it will take to create a vaccine for the newly emergent strain, and make it commercially viable?
4-6 months.
Just after the pandemic has run its course.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 13, 2005 12:17 PM (g5Nba)
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Your math is fine, but from the CDC website, the estimated mortality rate of Avain Flu (strain H5N1) is approximately 50%. Fifty percent.
If this bug mutates, which viruses do all the time, to an human-to-human airborne transmittable virus, then g-d only knows what we'll see.
Q: Are medical advances since 1918 offset by the speed and frequency world travel?
Posted by: yeti at October 13, 2005 01:07 PM (x00hV)
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We don't have a single reliable number of the illegal aliens in this country at any given time. Any one of these folks could be carrying more viruses than we could possibly identify, in any time necessary to develope a vaccine. Wash your hands, purify your water, eat healthy, and don't wait for big government, they will bury you, when they get around to it!
Posted by: Tom T at October 13, 2005 08:31 PM (6krEN)
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Yeti, I read somewhere that when it comes to the flu the modern medical advances made really offer little difference in the outcome...mainly because it is viral and not bacterial.
Like the 1918 avian flu, this pandemic is projected to hit the 20-40 year old "healthy" group the hardest.
Posted by: Maggie at October 13, 2005 08:38 PM (QKXCW)
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I wonder what IS the surge capacity of the health care system in NC
When we look at the numbers
42,500 to 127,500 they seem overwhelming and I by no means want to discount such a level of human suffering, but about 80,000 people die every year in NC and a lot of people get sick but don't die. We may be strained if we get hit, but we might not be helplessly overwhelmed.
I wonder what the number of beds in treatment centers IS? Hospitals Clinics etc and the numbers of care givers? Nurses Docters, EMTs?
Posted by: Dan Kauffman at October 14, 2005 12:55 AM (hxRR8)
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Information on hospital beds, numbers of hospitals, medical clinics , nursing homes
and nursing home bed with other information for different states can be found here.
http://www.statehealthfacts.kff.org/cgi-bin/healthfacts.cgi?action=profile&area=North+Carolina&category=Providers+%26+Service+Use&subcategory=Nursing+Homes&topic=Number+of+Nursing+Home+Residents
Quick glance there seem to be 23K hospital beds in 113 Hospitals and 40K nursing home beds, and maybe a hundred or so rural clinics.
Posted by: Dan Kauffman at October 14, 2005 01:05 AM (hxRR8)
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Dan,
80,000 people die each year in NC, but with a pamdemic, we're talking
double that amount of hospitialization (based upon a 20% infection rate of 8.5 million people... and I'm not including the hypochondriacs and "just in casers" who will help clog the system) in
one or two weeks.
If there are approximately 23,000 beds, and normal illnesses have them 2/3 to 3/4 full, and you slap 170,0000 flu victims on top of that, and you've got major surge capacity issues.
These things trigger mass graves for a reason.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 14, 2005 07:01 AM (0fZB6)
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Yes it will be a State of Emergency for certain.
There are however 300K employed in the Health Industry. I would hope that non-essential businesses and schools would be closed. So ALL non-life threatenig medical treatments should be off the books. Schools have kitchens and mutlple bath rooms and if they are not being used would make good triage centers. It would be a mess but suvivable.
But the same thing could be happening in every State so the only effective responce would have to be local
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October 09, 2005
Judgement Day, Update 2
Pakistani Earthquake Round-Up, Sunday Evening Edition
I want to start this post off by talking to those in "disaster shock."
Less than a year ago was the Boxing Day Tsunami, and then here in the United States we've just had Hurricanes Katrina and Rita smash their way through the Gulf states. A mudslide in Guatemala triggered by Hurricane Stan wiped out an entire Mayan village just days ago. The Pakistani quake is the latest in a series of disasters that has come one after another.
People have been generous, raising money and donating time and services. So many people have given so much of themselves that they may feel that they have nothing left. To you, I'll get Biblical for a moment and offer you this from Malachi 3:10:
10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, " and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty.
In other words, just, give baby. It will come back to you multiplied.
Now, back to the linkage.
Taking Donations
International Red Cross/Red Crescent
Getting Local
Links from India
Kashmir Times news site.
BBC coverage.
Metroblogging Karachi is still blogging from southern Pakistan.
Metroblogging Lahore is posting from near the impact zone.
South Asia Quake Help
Pakistan Earthquake 2005
Getting Political
News,Views 'n Opinions asks where relief is from other Muslim nations.
Lew Rockwell, a liberal blog, blasts Fox for mentioning Bin Laden.
Holy Coast intelligently addresses the "Does God hate _____ (group name goes here)?" question.
Daily Pundit talks building codes and corruption. On title alone, I wasn't certain if he was talking about Pakistan or New Orleans.
Getting Scientific
Geology News gets down to the science.
Analysis
Bird's Eye View has his latest post up on the quake.
A new photoblog of the quake from a Pakistani-Canadian.
Powerline weighs in.
Global Voices Online blogs about the bloggers blogging the earthquake.
The Moderate Voice maintains one of the better roundups.
Previous:
Judgement Day
Judgement Day, Update 1
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Good post, and summary of relevant articles/blogs. Just a quibble: Lew Rockwell isn't a "liberal" blog by any definition I've ever heard.
Rockwell is a witch's brew of harsh libertarianism and more than a tinge of hatred of "neocons" and Israel.
Rockwell comes at Bill Buckley from the right, and represents the elements that we conservatives have been attempting to cast off for going on 45 years.
Posted by: Jack Rich at October 10, 2005 11:40 AM (r0dZX)
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I apologize if I miscategorized Rockwell's site.
I went through over 350 blogs last night culling information for this and apparently misread his political affiliation. I glanced quickly at his blogroll, immediately saw Daily Kos and David Corn listed back-to-back, and made an erroneous assumption.
Thanks for the correction.
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Judgement Day, Update 1
The death toll
continues to rise:
Villagers desperate to find survivors dug with bare hands Sunday through the debris of a collapsed school where children had been heard crying beneath the rubble after a massive earthquake killed more than 30,000 people in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir alone.
"I have been informed by my department that more than 30,000 people have died in Kashmir," Tariq Mahmmod, communications minister for the Himalayan region, told The Associated Press.
Saturday's magnitude-7.6 quake also struck India and Afghanistan, which reported hundreds dead.
Using early estimates from the Boxing Day Tsunami as a guide, I'll sadly suggest that the final tally may be far higher - as high as a hundred thousand dead once disease, infection, and other factors have their say - across the affected countries. While in the west we tend to overestimate initial fatalities because of media sensationalism, deaths in the east often seem to be underestimated.
A possible silver lining?
The shared tragedy confronting India and Pakistan in disputed Kashmir could pay dividends for the fragile peace process, experts said on Sunday after a massive earthquake left thousands dead there.
"It will certainly help in furthering the peace process," former Indian foreign secretary and ambassador to Washington Lalit Mansingh told AFP.
Joint relief efforts could boost confidence, Mansingh said, noting that Indian and Pakistani civilians as well as the troops that face off across the Kashmiri border had lost their lives in Saturday morning's massive quake.
"This is a common tragedy. There is nothing political about this. It can help bring people together," Mansingh added.
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October 08, 2005
Judgement Day
Brietbart is currently showing that the 7.6 magnitude earthquake centered near the Pakistan-Kashmir border
may have killed thousands:
A devastating earthquake triggered landslides, toppled an apartment building and flattened villages of mud-brick homes Saturday, killing more than 18,000 people across a mountainous swath touching Pakistan, India and Afghanistan.
The casualty toll from the 7.6-magnitude tremor rose sharply Sunday as rescuers struggled to dig people from the wreckage, their work made more difficult as rain and hail turned dirt and debris into sticky muck. Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, Pakistan's chief army spokesman, told Pakistan's Geo TV network early Sunday that more than 18,000 had been killed _ 17,000 of them in Pakistani Kashmir, where the quake was centered. Some 41,000 people were injured, he said.
Eyewitness accounts compare the scene to Judgement Day, with many homes and buildings completely flattened. Damage spread across remote regions of Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and disputed Kashmir.
Maps of the area show mountainous terrain, and landslides have shut down major highways, making rescue efforts very difficult. It may be days or even weeks before some regions receive substantial aid. Thousands more may die. If you are religious, please say a prayer for these people.
And while this thought briefly crossed my mind as well, now is not the time to speculate about such things.
President Bush has already offered assistance. I hope the Pakistani and Indian governments to allow American military units from Afghanistan to come in and assist with humanitarian missions.
Let's try to save as many of these people as we can. There will be plenty of time to count the dead later.
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Let me add that the
South Asian Earthquake and Tsunami Page has been covering this story as well - with pictures and maps too. It's unbelievable that the death toll is going to be extremely high - and strong aftershocks keep hitting the region.
The area north of Islamabad was hardest hit.
Posted by: lawhawk at October 09, 2005 09:03 AM (GCSPP)
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The first link in the list, South Asian Quake help, is new site from the same people who created the South Asian Earthquake and Tsunami Page.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 09, 2005 10:07 AM (0fZB6)
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I feel for those poor people. I'll keep them in my prayers.
Posted by: seawitch at October 09, 2005 12:47 PM (ccFNA)
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I've managed to save up roughly $88034 in my bank account, but I'm not sure if I should buy a house or not. Do you think the market is stable or do you think that home prices will decrease by a lot?
Posted by: Courtney Gidts at November 17, 2005 04:06 PM (HpDlV)
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October 04, 2005
The Wheels on the Bus Go "Squish, Squish, Squish."
It just gets worse for incompetent New Orleans Mayor Nagin.
Paul at Wizbang! discovered Monday (10/3) that not all New Orleans buses went swimming in the Ray Nagin Memorial Motor Pool. At least 60, maybe more, were above water and under Nagin's control across the Mississippi in Algiers, LA.
According to Paul's estimates, which seem reasonable, Nagin could have completely evacuated the Superdome on his own by sundown the day after the storm, just by using assets under his control.
But it doesn't end there, kids.
Via Google Maps,we have this image showing three areas of primary importance.- The area marked "1" is the bus parking lot in Algiers.
- The area marked "2" is Algiers Landing on the West bank of the Mississippi river
- the Area marked "3", as you may have guessed is the Superdome.
The unmarked bridge at the bottom of the picture is the Crescent City Connection, the bridge where civilians trying to escape downtown New Orleans were turned away by the Gretna Police Department.
Dr. Rusty Shackleford over at The Jawa Report dug up photographic evidence that these same buses in area 1 in the photo above were used to evacuate a large number of people from area 2, Algiers Landing, but we don't know at this time who was evacuated, or to where. None of these buses apparently ever made it across the Crescent City Connection to attempt an evacuation of the Superdome in area 3, even though they apparently had unobstructed, multi-lane, dry road access according to overhead the imagery.
The questions raised by Paul and Rusty are many:
- Was Ray Nagin aware that these buses were available? If not, why not?
- Were these buses used in an evacuation in Algiers as apparently shown by Rusty, and if so, who was evacuated, and to where?
- Even if under Nagin's control and requested for an evacuation, would Gretna Police Chief Arthur Lawson have allowed these buses to pass over the bridge he had shut to pedestrians trying to get out of New Orleans?
This new information provides no answers, but it does raise even more troubling questions about the competency of the local government in New Orleans surrounding the landfall of Hurricane Katrina.
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From conversation w/ the Orleans Parish Fire Department, and my personal contacts in Algiers on those dates (Aug 30/31), I believe those buses were put into motion to support the evacuation efforts of the Fish and Wildlife folks.
I wrote about it
here.
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