November 10, 2006
Roll-Your-Own Terrorists: Fish and Chips Edition
The British people may not have any interest in fighting Islamic terrorism, but Islamists certainly have an interest in
fighting them:
British authorities are tracking almost 30 terrorist plots involving 1,600 individuals, the head of Britain's MI5 spy agency said, adding that many of the suspects are homegrown British terrorists plotting homicide attacks.
In a speech released by her agency Friday, Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller said MI5 had foiled five major plots since the July 2005 transit bomb attacks in London.
Speaking to a small audience of academics in London on Thursday, Manningham-Buller said officials were "aware of numerous plots to kill people and to damage our economy."
"What do I mean by numerous? Five? Ten?" she said. "No, nearer 30 that we currently know of."
She said MI5 and the police were tackling 200 cells involving more than 1,600 individuals who were "actively engaged in plotting or facilitating terrorist acts here and overseas."
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"The British people may not have any interest in fighting Islamic terrorism"
I think you're confusing the Britih media with the British people here, not the same thing.
Unfortunately the British media is crippled by Liberalism. They project the false impression that this Islamic threat must somehow be our fault and that it is "us" that must change if we are to placate the terrorists.
Let me tell you that is not the view of the 99.9% of people that I come across, and being a cabbie I get to talk to quite a few people.
The consensus is that these people must be crushed and if innocents get caught up in the crushing then that is just unfortunate. Pressure is beginning to be applied to our impotent political parties, and if they are unwilling or unable to sort out this shit then if fear there will be blood on the streets.
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November 09, 2006
Sins of the Father
Robert Gates, the nominee to replace Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of State was the
Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser during the failed 1991 uprising against Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War that may have led to the mass murder of
100,000 Shiite Iraqis:
On Feb. 15, 1991, President George H.W. Bush called on the Iraqi military and people to overthrow Saddam Hussein. On March 3, an Iraqi tank commander returning from Kuwait fired a shell through one of the portraits of Hussein in Basra's main square, igniting the southern uprising. A week later, Kurdish rebels ended Hussein's control over much of the north.
But although Bush had called for the rebellion, his administration was caught unprepared when it happened. The administration knew little about those in the Iraqi opposition because, as a matter of policy, it refused to talk to them. Policymakers tended to see Iraq's main ethnic groups in caricature: The Shiites were feared as pro-Iranian and the Kurds as anti-Turkish. Indeed, the U.S. administration seemed to prefer the continuation of the Baath regime (albeit without Hussein) to the success of the rebellion. As one National Security Council official told me at the time: "Our policy is to get rid of Saddam, not his regime."
The practical expression of this policy came in the decisions made by the military on the ground. U.S. commanders spurned the rebels' plea for help. The United States allowed Iraq to send Republican Guard units into southern cities and to fly helicopter gunships. (This in spite of a ban on flights, articulated by Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf with considerable swagger: "You fly, you die.") The consequences were devastating. Hussein's forces leveled the historical centers of the Shiite towns, bombarded sacred Shiite shrines and executed thousands on the spot. By some estimates, 100,000 people died in reprisal killings between March and September. Many of these atrocities were committed in proximity to American troops, who were under orders not to intervene.
In recent years Baghdad has shortchanged the south in the distribution of food and medicine, contributing to severe malnutrition among vulnerable populations. Some 100 Shiite clerics have been murdered, including four senior ayatollahs. Draining the marshes displaced 400,000 Marsh Arabs, destroying a culture that is one of the world's oldest, as well as causing immeasurable ecological damage.
The first Bush administration's decision to abandon the March uprising was a mistake of historic proportions. With U.S. help, or even neutrality, the March uprising could have succeeded, thus avoiding the need for a second costly war.
The obvious question is, "Did Bob Gates have a hand in shaping Bush's call for rebellion?"
If so, would he also partially responsible for failing to support the rebellion, leading to one of Saddam's greatest genocides? I do not know the answers to these questions, but they must be asked before he is confirmed as the next U.S. Secretary of Defense.
While I sincerely hope that the sentiment expressed on Austin Bay's blog that the Gates nomination may political prep for "prosecuting the war even more vociferously," I think that Mr. Gates and the present Bush Administration owe to it to us and the Iraqi people to explain in detail what role, if any, he played in an Administration that instigated, and then failed to support, the 1991 uprisings.
The administration of Bush '41 failed Iraq once when we cried for them to stand up for their freedom. The same personnel who failed Iraqis in 1991 should not be given the opportunity to do so again.
Update: It's up behind an annoying subscriber wall, But Allah says that the Wall Street Journal is on the same page.
One reason the Iraqi government of Nouri al-Maliki has had such a hard time dismantling Shiite militias is because Shiites fear that itÂ’s only a matter of time before the U.S. abandons them again and they will have to confront the Sunni Baathist insurgency on their own. If President Bush wants to reassure Shiites on this score and about Mr. Gates, he should announce that the recent efforts to appease the Sunni terrorist political fronts in Iraq have failed.
We presume Mr. Gates will be grilled about these and other issues during his confirmation hearings. He should be.
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It's important to realize that Bush(41) DID want to keep going until they reached Baghdad, but the U.N. changed the rules along the way.
Hanging it on Bush and Gates without reason and without giving reference to the relevant facts is not really fair. We were in a period of time when it really looked like the U.N. could be a force for good, until they (the U.N.) realized that Saddam could be toppled and then they (the U.N.) caved and the coalition began to crumble.
It's my sincere opinion that Bush(41) believed that if the Iraqis began to rise up, that the U.N. would get back on board, but of course they didn't.
It's easy to hang the woes of the world (past and present) on the U.S., but to do so isn't necessarily intellectually honest nor historically accurate.
While I agree that Gates should answer questions about Gulf 1, I don't think it's fair to give a pet albatross to him unfairly and without considering the entirety of convergent and divergent factors.
--Jason
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November 06, 2006
Talking with the BloodHounds
Along with a handful of other bloggers, I was given a chance by U.S. Central Command to interview U.S. soldiers currently serving in Baghdad, Iraq, specifically, MPs (military police) from the 615th Military Police Company MSC: 89th MP Bde, also known as the "Bloodhounds."
I was able to interview SSG Jason Oliver and SPC Kimberly McGuiness.
Josh Manchester also interviewed SSG Oliver and SPC McGuiness in a podcast at The Adventures of Chester.
SSG Jason Oliver from Cypress, Illinois, has been in the Army 7 years, and is currently the Team Chief for a Police Transition Team in Baghdad.
Q: A recent cluster study by Johns Hopkins University researchers published in the British medical journal The Lancet states that more than 600,000 Iraqis have died since the 2003 invasion by violent means. While you cannot expect to answer for the rest of the country, does this seem to be a reasonable figure based upon your experience in Baghdad?
SSG Oliver: ItÂ’s a tough question to answer. I only see a small portion of the big picture. As a Team Chief for the Police Transition Team it is something that I see and that I report, but I donÂ’t keep count on everything, just report what I see. I do find it is hard to fathom that there have been that many Iraqis killed since 2003.
Q: Most media reports coming out of Baghdad paint a picture of a city under siege, with roving Shiite and Sunni death squads operating virtually at will, kidnapping people of the street, summarily executing them, and dumping their bodies in the street. Is this an accurate presentation of life in Baghdad?
SSG Oliver: First off, I think that siege is not the appropriate word to use. Yes it has a duel meaning, but when I think of a siege, I think back to Medieval Europe with royal courts placing rival castles under siege and cutting off all outside support, lasting from months to years. So is the city under siege, I don’t think it is. Beyond what the media portrays, there is more to this city that the so called “death squads”. You still see a continuous flow of commerce in and out of the city. I know that the locals live in fear and that many have duel identities, but this to the Iraqi people has become a sign of the times. They have learned to adapt to the ever changing political climate and try to live as normal a life as they can. I cannot count the times when my patrol has traveled through the city with the streets full of life, little street side venders selling the newest gadget in the area, bistros busy with hungry locals standing in line to grab the fresh “Falafel or Kebab” and the females musing about in search of the best cut of meat and freshest fruits and vegetables to serve the family. I read an article the other day about an increasing number of tattoo shops in the Baghdad area. In the article it stated that tattoos are forbidden in the Islamic culture, but some people feel that it is one way that, if they should be killed, they will be identified so the proper notification can be made and the family does not have to grieve more that they have to. The people adapt, they know when most bad things are going to happen, and they take precautionary steps to prevent them from being caught up in whatever may happen. As strange as it may sound, I have a lot of respect for a majority of the Iraqi people. While we are here to help control the chaos, they live in it.
Q: As a follow-up to that question, do you see any signs that the sectarian violence in Iraq may abate any time soon?
SSG Oliver: I would love to say yes, but it is up to the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people to come together and end the bloodshed.
Q: What has been your experience working with the Iraq police units you have been training? Do you find them to be reliable, motivated and properly equipped for their roles?
SSG Oliver: Good and Bad. All in all, the Iraqi Police try to perform their duties daily, but they do lack things that would make them more effective. Most of the police have minimal training and that is where our job comes into play. The Police Transition Team helps fill the gap by providing training and mentorship to the IPÂ’s to better educate them on the basic police fundamentals. They do, however, need new and better equipment. They use unarmored vehicles to conduct their patrol which puts them at an even higher risk of injury and death. The now this and can sometimes use it to their advantage, but this is not always the case. Overall, the IPÂ’s are as effective as their equipment allows them to be and if they should get the needed equipment, then the IPÂ’s could assume a better role in their respective communities and perform in a more efficient manner.
Q: Are there any anti-Iraqi forces that seem to be behind the bulk of the attacks that are occurring in your area of operations, and are U.S. and Iraqi forces "on the same page" when it comes to going after those carrying out these attacks?
SSG Oliver: It has been my experience operating in the city that allows me to say that for the most part, both U.S and Iraqi forces are on the same sheet of music. They do work together well, but the Iraqi Security Forces do have advantages that Coalition Forces do not have. We are bound by our rules and regulations were as the Iraqis have more lenient laws which allow them some better opportunities.
Q: We have a national election coming up in one week, where it seems that the Democratic Party has a very good chance of capturing the House of Representatives from Republican control. I wrote a post a week ago explaining that if Democrats win control of the House, they might cut off funding for the war. Based upon your own experience in Baghdad, what effect do you think it would have if you and other U.S. forces were summarily pulled out of Iraq?
SSG Oliver: If your child takes their first steps while holding on to your hands are you just going to let go and hope they continue on their own? No. Most people would continue to support and encourage them until they can continue on their own without support. I feel the same applies here. The Iraqi government is very young and still needs assistance from outside sources so they can develop and grow. The US government has pledged to help build Iraq into a model for the region, and if we were to pull out to early, the Iraqi Government will stumble from its already young state and possibly fall, which would put US forces back into a situation that could possible be worse. We need to stay, maintain and support the Iraqi Government until it can handle all aspects without US assistance.
Q: This is completely up to you. Please use this opportunity to tell us anything and everything you would like readers to know about your experiences in Iraq. Unlike newspaper journalists, I have virtually unlimited space, so please take as much time to tell us what you think the American people should know.
SSG Oliver: First, I want to thank everyone that supports our troops. This is by far the most important thing. Second, I wish that people back home could see everything that happens here, not just the gruesome stories of a war torn country. There is so much more to everything that the Coalition is doing in this country that goes unnoticed. Things such as seeing Soldiers interacting with the local children, giving them school supplies, toys and even sharing their candy and whatever other things the Soldiers have. I cannot remember when the press ran a story about U.S Soldiers establishing an aid station out in a community that allowed many Iraqis to receive medical attention that they would have otherwise not received. The media needs to rethink the coverage and produce a balance of both the good and bad, and maybe then the world will not think that this is a completely war ravaged country.
SPC Kimberly MCGuiness from Fletcher, North Carolina, is a .50-caliber turrent gunner on a Humvee conducting Police Transition Team duties in Baghdad.
Q: A recent cluster study by Johns Hopkins University researchers published in the British medical journal The Lancet states that more than 600,000 Iraqis have died since the 2003 invasion by violent means. While you cannot expect to answer for the rest of the country, does this seem to be a reasonable figure based upon your experience in Baghdad?
SPC McGuiness: I don't know the answer to that question due to the fact that it is outside of my job to keep track of how many violent deaths there have been. I would say that their have been many but I don't know the exact number.
Q: Most media reports coming out of Baghdad paint a picture of a city under siege, with roving Shiite and Sunni death squads operating virtually at will, kidnapping people of the street, summarily executing them, and dumping their bodies in the street. Is this an accurate presentation of life in Baghdad?
SPC McGuiness: There are always two sides to every media report. People hear about the bad things because its news worthy. In my experience, it is true that locals are fearful of being kidnapped and executed but I can't tell you for a fact that it is Shiite vs Sunni. There are violent things that happen but you can't really pin point the source of the problem.
Q: As a follow-up to that question, do you see any signs that the sectarian violence in Iraq may abate any time soon?
SPC McGuiness: I can't tell you for sure if it will let up. You have people in this country that want all Shiite governments and those that want the Sunni's in power and you have that divide between the two. If an understanding can be reached then yes but until that divide closes, it could be sometime before the healing and rebuilding can happen.
Q: What has been your experience working with the Iraq police units you have been training? Do you find them to be reliable, motivated and properly equipped for their roles?
SPC McGuiness: I feel as if they had better vehicles, better equipment and more armor on their vehicles that they could perform more efficiently. Also they don't get paid that much and for the amount of danger there is out in Baghdad, the pay doesn't seem to quite add up. They are afraid to die just like everyone else and if they were better equipped it might make them more comfortable in their job.
Q: Are there any anti-Iraqi forces that seem to be behind the bulk of the attacks that are occurring in your area of operations, and are U.S. and Iraqi forces "on the same page" when it comes to going after those carrying out these attacks?
SPC McGuiness: In my experience, the Iraqi forces and the US forces quite often are on the same page but other times there are things that hinder movement. There are things that the Iraqi forces can do that US forces cannot do and we have to handle situations differently. With the Iraqi forces, Iraq is "their turf" whereas with the U.S we still have soon guidelines and rules that must be followed. There are always going to be some anti-Iraqi forces that think what we are trying to establish is wrong and that take matters into their own hands.
Q: We have a national election coming up in one week, where it seems that the Democratic Party has a very good chance of capturing the House of Representatives from Republican control. I wrote a post a week ago explaining that if Democrats win control of the House, they might cut off funding for the war. Based upon your own experience in Baghdad, what effect do you think it would have if you and other U.S. forces were summarily pulled out of Iraq?
SPC McGuiness: In my experience, what we are doing here is working. Rome wasn't built in a day and it is going to take time. If we were to be pulled out of Iraq too soon, we will find ourselves back here down the road trying to undo what we could have fixed if we would have stayed. We are working on training the IP's how to perform their job's better and better ways to do things so they can support themselves and not be afraid to police one another.
Q: This is completely up to you. Please use this opportunity to tell us anything and everything you would like readers to know about your experiences in Iraq. Unlike newspaper journalists, I have virtually unlimited space, so please take as much time to tell us what you think the American people should know.
SPC McGuiness: People only see the bad things that happen here. You hardly ever hear about soldiers interacting with the locals and building relationships with the children. Soldiers handing out book bags and school supplies or just a small gesture of giving them candy to show them that we do care and humanize ourselves to them. The future of Iraq is in the people. Yes there are some people that resent the US being here and that will not stop until we leave but there are those that thank us for being here and that they feel safer because we patrol their streets and the crime has been lessened do to our patrols. We are making a difference.
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This is worth 50 New York Times lefty, back in New York, "I'm 60 and I remember Vietnam" stories. This is a report. The MSM gives us stories 100percent political correct. And don't say they're not pure saints or else U R jes Sum Trailer trash suk en Irqk.
Good work, and thanks to the soldiers and service men and women, their families and friends.
Paul from Florida.
Posted by: Paul from Florida at November 06, 2006 11:26 AM (g3r7a)
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Isn't it strange that the answers provided by both these soldiers are almost identical for each question, right down to using the same phraseology? Almost as if they were singing from the same hymn sheet? The one provided by their superiors so that they are "on message" at this vital time when public support for the war is draining away... and a day before the elections.
Posted by: Dan the Man at November 06, 2006 11:39 AM (VRb5p)
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Dan the Man, I don't think it's that unusual. These two work together day in and day out. They see a lot of the same stuff. It is not hard to see that they would have similar opinions on many things.
Also, the answers to the last question may seem scripted -- kind of general blanket statements that things aren't all bad and are going alright, considering. That might also seem strange, but I don't think so. In my experience, enlisted military personnel have an aversion to getting into a lot of detail about their personal circumstances with the press, be it blogger or journalist. Nobody serving wants the reputation of being a media whore. In my own interview, I tried at the end, like Bob did here, to get them to tell some stories of their own personal experiences. I think many troops are reluctant to do so for a variety of reasons.
My. $.02
Posted by: Chester at November 06, 2006 12:21 PM (EV5Kv)
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I'll be damned if I can get trackback to work to this post ... so "TRACKBACK" via this comment.
Posted by: NOTR at November 06, 2006 01:21 PM (izx0t)
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Gee imagine that they all used the same terminology. Duh could it also be known as Military Jargon,,, Naw Thats too easy eh dan.
The "D" really does mean dumbass.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 09:03 AM (Eodj2)
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November 05, 2006
On Day of Saddam's Sentencing, Liberals Attack Republicans
You would think that on the day a brutal murderous dictator like Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death for crimes against humanity, that everyone but Baathist dead-enders would draw at least
some satisfaction from the fact that at long last, the Butcher of Baghdad would pay for his decades of brutality, depravity, and bloodlust.
You don't know liberals very well, do you?
Blondesense's reaction was "ho-hum," after which she went on a multi-paragraph tirade blaming the United States in general and Republicans in specific. As always, we are responsible for Saddam's crimes.
Steve Clemon's at the Washington Note takes the same tack:
The Bush administration gets credit for taking down Hussein, real and in statue, but they too deserve every bit of the credit for unleashing the virulent currents of sectarian killing and convulsion in Iraq, all of the responsibility for removing the chief constraint on Iran's actions in the region, and all of the kudos for giving radical Islamism reward after reward in the region.
Saddam Hussein's head will be a prize that Shia extremists thank America for while they continue to do their best to eradicate Sunnis from Iraq.
Bush deserves all of the credit for the Hussein trial and conviction -- and all of the horrors unleashed around it.
Nice. Apparently they'd rather have Saddam still in power, because they've convinced themselves that would have saved Iraqi lives.
Uh, no (via Gateway Pundit).
Mahablog questions the timing and blames Karl Rove. It's knee-jerk, but instinctive for them at this point.
Georgia10 at Daily Kos asks, "Do the ends justify the means?" seems quite concerned that Saddam may not have gotten a fair trial, and cries yet again for us to abandon the people of Iraq, which she apparently considers a "blood-soaked path to nowhere."
It's never to late to blame America. It's never to late too run.
A "good morning to you" from the American liberal left.
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"What has happened is positively un-American."
Uh yeah.
It was, however, positively Iraqi. And isn't that the point.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 05, 2006 11:21 AM (DdRjH)
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The only sad thing about this decision is that death sentences in Irag are automatically appealed before a nine-judge panel. This means another months iof waiting at least. I wish they'd get this over with in a very public forum.
Posted by: david at November 05, 2006 11:37 AM (u952i)
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I don't know who fred is but he is a confused soul. Saddam is in Iraq and the only Americian citizen there, at his trial, was defending him.
However a sorry hack his defense attorney from the U.S. is.
The left can ho-hum all they wish. Its a great day for the victims os Saddam.
Posted by: patty at November 05, 2006 12:53 PM (EJVBR)
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Cheney thought Iraq invasion would be "classic quagmire" '91:
What do you think boys? Is it great that he can sleep at night or what?
I'd rather get OBL myself, as he was, you know, behind 9/11. Go ahead and tell me how it doesn't matter that we missed him, I love that. Saddam was a bastard, but he wasn't killing Americans.
Time to wake up from the dream, boys. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:53 PM (CtTiq)
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Lost my Cheney url:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_oHxbZl9E&NR
Enjoy, fellas. I'll be looking forward to your convincing explanations about how that mattered in '91 but not 2003.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:54 PM (CtTiq)
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Earl:
The Democrats had years to get Osama and to deal with Saddam and they did not do either one so how about bitching at them for awhile.
Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2006 02:17 PM (Bus0s)
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Maybe they'll hang him in front of one of those freshly painted schools!
Posted by: blogenfreude at November 05, 2006 02:30 PM (KpHF6)
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I think it's great. A leader responsible for war crimes and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, arrested by Americans, turned over to teh Iraqi authorities and condemned to death. Brilliant.
Such a useful precedent...
Posted by: Phlebas at November 05, 2006 04:14 PM (prpI0)
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What has happened is positively undemocratic and spits in the face of the rule of law.
What precisely is this notion of "the rule of law"?
I've been told, perhaps erroneously, it has nothing to do with American law.
Q: Is France under "the rule of law"? Yes or no.
Think very carefully before answering. I'll warn you upfront this is a loaded question with a subsequent trap built in should you say France is.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2006 04:35 PM (AuPsg)
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Earl, I believe the NYT's just verified a lot of information that the 'conservatives' already knew because we aren't all listening to idiots like Hanoi John Kerry. One of the fact verified by your loving paper of record was the cozy relationship between Saddam and Usama. One of the captured documents that the NYT avoided is an order from 'Saddam' in 2001 to attack American interest everywhere. Do you think it's possible he just ordered the 9-11 attacks? Usama had some money but not enough for the years of training and travel for the terrorists, that money was provided, well actually by you, through the U.N. and sucked off by Saddam in the oil for food swindle. Get you some real information through contact with an American Soldier in Iraq. Oh, that's right the democrats don't even know what an American Soldier looks like (they think a canadian uniformed soldier is an American) so there's no way you could know a real soldier. Maybe you can round up one of the phonies that have suckered the dim's again and again, they will tell you what you want to hear, and like the dim congressional candidiates you'll suck it up to.
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 05, 2006 04:54 PM (Eodj2)
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Saddam is lucky he wasn't summarily shot like many SS guards were when the extermination camps were liberated in WWII. Cries about fair trial are absurd here, he got the best one humanly possible. Now hang him.
As for Osama, soon...
Posted by: John at November 05, 2006 08:31 PM (tROri)
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Come on Fed, what's wrong?
*chirp*
*chirp* *chirp*
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2006 08:55 PM (Zih4f)
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I applaud the Iraqis for staying on the ball and keeping this trial as concise as possible. I had feared from the beginning that this would turn into a farce of a trial similar to the circus that went on for Slobodan Milošević. They even managed to overcome the constant specter of assassination and violence surround all those involved.
Posted by: Josh Reiter at November 06, 2006 12:35 AM (ckQml)
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So, back to the Kerry "joke" for the big finish?
Posted by: monkyboy at November 06, 2006 12:38 AM (unUeA)
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Fred says he knows "Saddam is guilty," ...still Fred huffs with righteous indignation. Why? Because the Iraqi court reached the same conclusion and sentenced the mass murdering butcher to death by hanging. Fred has a narcist notion that the trial won't be "fair" until Fred says it is.
I'll bet that Fred's concern for "fairness" is strictly reserved for malignant narcissistic dictators. I'll lay odds that Fred couldn't care less about false accusations & slanderous lies spewed incessantly about President Bush, his administration and our brave troops in time of war, whether by Islamic fanatics or liberal Democrats and their partners in the press.
I'm sure that Fred is fine with anything that undermines our troops and their mission in Iraq, and encourages the terrorists to hang in there and bide their time, while the American Left colludes with them against the USA and her allies. You see Fred is a liberal loonie-tune, poor soul.
Fred, I am offering to buy you a one-way ticket to Iraq. I strongly feel that you and the Baathists have a destiny to fulfill. You'll get to expound on the evils of The Patriot Act, and our NSA Wiretap program, and tell them how immoral we are to keep prisoners at GITMO. You can explain how sincerely you believe in their rights. You can even join them in their chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA," right up until the moment they saw off your silly head.
What part of "DEATH TO AMERICA" don't Democrats understand?
Posted by: Capers at November 06, 2006 01:37 AM (0Co69)
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*chirp* *chirp*
*chirp*
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2006 01:54 AM (4yfhf)
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The part that is understood, Capers, is ability, not intent. Yes, Jihadi's may shout "death to America", they may do it till they are blue in the face, but that will not make it true. The callous part of me wants to tell you that one hundredth of one percent of Americans were killed on 9/11. Not popular to look at the nuber proportionatly, but there it is.
This does not mean that we should abandon all efforts to defeat the terrorists, only the ones that fundimentally undercut the traditional American notions of libery. I'm sure the Franklin quote about the trade between liberty and security is one you've heard before'; pause to think on it now.
The suspension of habius corpus under the MCA, the supression of free speech and travel, the abuse of the notion of law - to the point that the law may as well not exist - all lose the war much more effectively than countless IED's in Iraq would be able to...
They cannot win. But we sure as hell can lose. All we have to do is cede more liberty in the name of security.
Posted by: Cato at November 06, 2006 02:31 AM (pSSJl)
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It's never to late to blame America. It's never to late too run.
It's never too late "too" mis-spell.
But more seriously, I'd like someone to explain why the conviction and sentencing of Saddam Hussein is supposed to tell us much of anything about the "rule of law" in Iraq; or the "accomplishments" of the Bush administration in this grotesquely conceived cluster-fungle of a war; or much of anything, really.
I'd also invite the host of this blog to explain the complex statistical methodology behind the "Body Count" graph he links to in this post. I'm keen to hear his explanation as to how the war has so dramatically reduced the death rates in Baghdad, for example.
Posted by: bumbles at November 06, 2006 02:34 AM (n6n5z)
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Americans don't know much about the rest of the world, ESPECIALLY 'progressive' Americans.
Fred and co - what a laugh! Next he'll say Saddam should demand his First Amendment rights (or something, sorry I don't know much about the US either).
As for American 'Conservatives', they are better informed and more modest, and God bless them for that. Go GOP!
Posted by: Aussie at November 06, 2006 05:57 AM (Gt7ap)
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Saddam was guilty, a trial in his country of his countrymen found him guilty. And he certainly had more of a "rule of law" tribunal and chance to confront his victims testimony...than he gave...
But leftists and subversives have to find the "blame America" spin wherever they can...("yeah, but the sale of wood chippers is way down")
Saddam was a black-hearted bastard, his sons were perverted, sadistic morons...and they held not A SINGLE, SOLITARY, POPULIST NOTION...so, the crowd that stands FOR nothing...has only the ability to be AGAINST their own country, their own government, their own troops and their own countrymen...finds yet another excuse to puke up their bile on the US...because...don'tcha know...it's oh, so chic...to be an 'anti'.
Arrogance without principle, hypocrisy without shame, positions without facts, criticism without reason. What fun it must be to live the life of a subversive leftist.
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Fred? Fred? Earth to Fred...
*chirp*
*chirp* *chirp*
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Mission Accomplished: Saddam Sentenced to Death by Hanging
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Saddam Hussein, the iron-fisted dictator who ruled Iraq for nearly a quarter of a century, was found guilty of crimes against humanity Sunday and sentenced to death by hanging.
The so-called Butcher of Baghdad, who was president of Iraq from 1979 until he was deposed by Coalition forces in April 2003, was convicted of the 1982 killings of 148 Shiites in the city of Dujail.
The visibly shaken former leader shouted "God is great!" as Iraq's High Tribunal announced his sentence.
Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Ibrahim, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of the former Revolutionary Court, were sentenced to join Saddam on the gallows for the Dujail killings after an unsuccessful assassination attempt during a Saddam visit to the city 35 miles north of Baghdad.
It seems fitting that an Iraqi gallows and not an American bullet will put an end to the reign of Saddam Hussein. The allied elite forces of Task Force 20 eliminated his sadistic sons, but I think that Iraqis will attain more closure by executing the Butcher of Baghdad themselves.
Fellow Pajamas Media bloggers Omar and Mohammed Fadhil report from Baghdad:
I was overwhelmed with joy and relief as I watched the criminals being read their verdicts. For the first time in our region tyrants are being punished for their crimes through a court of law.
Until this moment and while IÂ’m typing these words IÂ’m still receiving words of congratulations in emails, phone calls and text messages from friends inside and outside the country. These were our only means to share our happiness because of the curfew that limits our movement.
This is the day for SaddamÂ’s lovers to weep and I expect their shock and grieve to be huge. They had always thought their master was immortal so let them live in their disappointment while we live for our future.
This is a day not only for Iraqis but a historic day for the whole region; today new basis for dealing between rulers and peoples are found.
No one is above the law anymore.
I was particularly pleased by the way Judge Raouf Rasheed handled the session; he was reading the courtÂ’s decision and at the same time chastising members of the current government for their misbehavior and threatened to throw them in custody regardless of their ranks!
We are living a new era where thereÂ’s much hope despite the difficultiesÂ…our sacrifices have a noble cause, that is to build a new model that obviously terrifies other tyrants.
AllahPundit notes a post written by Omar Fadhil in 2003 when he spoke with a young doctor who grew up in the town where the crimes took place. I'll suggest you read it, and agree with Allah's conclusion:
Sic semper tyrannis
Thus always to tyrants.
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What's makes me angry about this story is Ramsey Clark' behavior as well. I'm glad to have read the judge spoke in english and told Clark to "Get out!" of the courtroom. If Clark had been AG under Nixon the press would have been all over it.
Posted by: David at November 05, 2006 11:30 AM (u952i)
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Mission Accomplished! I like the bravado CY! You're all like, "See? The mission IS accomplished! I'm not afraid to say it!" It's so cool because the rest of us saw Cmdr Codpiece strut around on an aircraft carrier telling everybody that he'd WON THE WAR, when actually it had just barely started. But you won't accept that. You pretend like the mission was to put Saddam on trial, as if you give a half a crap about the people of Iraq. Like I said, like the bravado!
The jig's up, CY.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 02:13 PM (CtTiq)
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This is an important step, and highly needed, for Iraq and the region. Psychologically, culturally, the Iraqis will feed a sense of accomplishment and achievement. Here at home, I can't help but to wonder whether this sentence of Hussein will impact our own elections.
It is good to see the evil pay a price on earth. I surely know no virgins await Saddam, and I hope he now is pondering his eternal fate.
Posted by: Ellen at November 05, 2006 02:50 PM (Rr901)
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Clearly, a corner has been turned.
Posted by: jpe at November 05, 2006 05:39 PM (JEnK+)
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Earl ....
Have you always been this dumb - or did you have to study to be such a flake?
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 05, 2006 07:40 PM (Xw2ki)
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Earl the perl- President Bush has said ALL along that the ongoing efforts in Iraq were going to be long and drawn out and he REPEATEDLY has stated that we should be prepared for that and to expect casualties- but nice try Cpt. CodHaddock
Christian news and commentary at: sacredscoop.com ...
Posted by: Nazareth at November 05, 2006 09:28 PM (f8md8)
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It is remarkable that Saddam has been sentenced for a crime he committed in 1982, at a time when the USA was more than eager to provide support to Saddam Hussein's regime and was complicit in some of his crimes. As usual, this fact has not even been mentioned by our amnesiac media. Donald Rumsfeld, the incarnation of this administration's moral bankruptcy, went to Baghdad shaking hands with Saddam, on December 20, 1983 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/).
At that time, Rumsfeld knew that Saddam was a dangerous dictator (contrary to 2003, when he wasn't dangerous any more). He knew about the 1982 massacre that has now been recognized as a "crime against humanity". Donald Rumsfeld knew that Saddam had ordered the use of chemical weapons against Iran in breach of the Geneva conventions (contrary to 2003, when Rumsfeld knew exactly that there were no chemical weapons). And he went to Baghdad in 1983, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, offering him the support of the United States. That's the story that will be told in the history book.
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Retired Spy:
"Have you always been this dumb - or did you have to study to be such a flake?"
That may be the least original putdown in the history of mankind. You are a lightweight, and you know it. You didn't do well in school, marginal success in your career, in short a nebbish. It's written all over what you pass off as intellect. No wonder you hate the blue staters so much.
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Doug Ross takes a look at some of the documents that the
New York Times has authenticated, and a suggests how those revelations should affect your future plans.
I tend to agree with his conclusion.
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Kerry's "Apology" Was All-Too Insincere
John Kerry's arrogance knows no bounds.
John Kerry has a 35-year history of slandering American soldiers, and when he disparaged the intelligence of the American military earlier this week, he deserved no benefit of the doubt. He'd referred to them as murderers, rapists, and terrorists too many times before.
When he swore he would "apologize to no one" for the comments assaulting their intelligence, he obviously meant it.
Now several days later and a "I'm sorry you aren't smart enough to understand what I meant to say" non-apology, he still has enough arrogance and contempt for the American soldier to feature on his page the headline, "Kerry's Remark: Right either way."
As Bryan notes:
Because even though he has “apologized” several times and in disingenuous ways, at heart he [Kerry] meant what he said. When he finds someone who supports his smear, he links right to them to justify himself. Someone who truly meant to apologize for a remark he doesn’t believe wouldn’t do that.
John Kerry is not the least bit sorry for slandering America's heroes.
He wasn't sorry in 1972, and he's certainly not sorry now.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at November 03, 2006 10:01 PM (n7SaI)
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This honestly pisses me off more than the original insult. It's like he's rubbing it in soldiers' noses.
Posted by: Tony B at November 03, 2006 11:16 PM (o8eR4)
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The Seattle paper begs the question. What public utterance has John Kerry ever made that should convince us he is well-educated? Please advise if you can remember one!!!
Posted by: David G at November 03, 2006 11:51 PM (FiyZE)
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http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news&id=4721556
Posted by: Recruiter at November 04, 2006 12:42 AM (RuQC1)
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That's nice, Recruiter, but what do the actual records of actual soldiers and marines say in the actual theatre of combat.
And just to pick at nits, are we at war? Are you sure? By what definition?
Posted by: grayson at November 04, 2006 05:56 AM (3Vh45)
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Not only was what Kerry said an insult, it was just plain unnecessary. Tacky and Stupid.
Liberals have gotten so bitter and nasty that every time one of them opens his or her mouth some kind of insult comes out of it. They don't care if we are at war, they don't even care if we win.
Posted by: Terrye at November 04, 2006 06:35 AM (+vKQT)
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An editorial, which will appear in the Army Times, Air Force Times, Navy Times, and Marine Corps Times newspapers on Monday says. "... the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth: Donald Rumsfeld must go."
I know you're having a good old time bashing Kerry but smell the coffee. This all Republican government is an abject failure, it's time to vote the incompetent bums out and give the Democrats a chance to do better.
Posted by: Ed at November 04, 2006 07:47 AM (jw6+c)
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He put a supposed apology on his website. He did not apologise in person, so obviously some staffer wrote it with Hanoi John's approval.
There is an old saying that. 'the lips say what is in the heart'
He meant everyword of it, why should anyone take anything he says with any credibility, he has none.
He claims to be a war hero, to whom the North Vietnamese ? Yes, afterall his picture is proudly displayed in Hanoi as a war hero.
What John Kerry said a week ago is the same thing he said, 35 years ago when he lied to congress. How anyone can vote for this traitor is beyond comprehension.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 11:04 AM (Eodj2)
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If you work really hard in school...at being a duplicitous, elitist, flip-flopping, subversive, windsock...you can make fun of people who actually did BETTER than you did....whether they are in the military...or are Republican opponents
...[Kerry] got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses...
The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record....
The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.
Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year.
Posted by: cf bleachers at November 04, 2006 11:10 AM (V56h2)
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Ed
I want you to give me a website where the Marine Corps times has such editorial. This a bald face lie, those publications are not run by Liberal Elites from the New York Times or the Weenie Deans.
So inform all of us where we all can get a copy of said editorial from these papers.
The Democrats have, NO SPINE, and will take the first opportunity to run from Iraq before the job is done and allow total chaos. Obviously you have no spine either, otherwise you would support your country and not the enemy.
So Ed try supporting the good guys for a change, the United States.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 11:14 AM (Eodj2)
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Ed visited the Al Jazeera website for his voting recommendations. Probably even left a comment suggesting increased violence in order to assist ejecting the Bushitler regime (though that phrase probably doesn't play well with Muslims) from office.
Posted by: iconoclast at November 04, 2006 03:09 PM (Jpc2l)
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Mark,
Ed is correct about the editorial, http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php , but you have to remember that those papers ARE Gannett(USA Today) subsidiaries and while they have covered the military beat, their opinions (unsigned of course) sometimes display that they are in fact civilians infected by beltway myopia.
Posted by: Richard at November 04, 2006 04:03 PM (8u3Sz)
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Richard
Thanks for the response, I knew there was a catch. The usa today can't be trusted to report sports scores let alone anything serious. As I suspected there is a bias here regardless of the title of the newspaper.
Whenever, I see someone say, an unknown source said this, I want to know who the source is, there is a credibility gap for sure.
Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2006 05:13 PM (Eodj2)
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For what it's worth, the slime has taken the link down from his site. All it displays now are links to the Boston Globe and the NYT.
Posted by: Guy at November 04, 2006 08:08 PM (3LwMl)
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Well whatever Kerry's intention, it would have to go some to compare with Bush saying that in the history books all the death and destruction in Iraq (including American troops killed) will be "just a comma".
Posted by: Realist at November 04, 2006 11:00 PM (tcNja)
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You Americans need to chill and watch this it only 30seconds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYwGetTHuPw&eurl=
if you want...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/05/olbermanns-special-comment-it-is-not-the-democrats-whose-inaction-in-the-face-of-the-enemy-you-fear/
Posted by: MC at November 04, 2006 11:02 PM (yols0)
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Hey did you all catch that the Army Times, Navy Times and Marine Corps Times are all asking Rumsfeld to step down? It sounds like the military brass isn't as stoked about Iraq as you guys are.
Kerry volunteered to ride in a PT boat and gett shot at, whereas your man had his daddy get him into the reserves then flubbed that. Yet you still can't get enough of knocking Kerry's motives in 'Nam, even though he's not running for office.
Why don't you tell us how well the war in Iraq is going, only the MSM refuses to tell us about it? I can't get enough of that one. Your man thought he was *done* three years ago. He'll be Mr. Mission Accomplished until the end of recorded history.
The jig's up boys.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 02:18 AM (CtTiq)
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Why should Kerry apologize? This is America! He can say whatever he wants. He will just have to endure the consequences. His comment says more about him than it does about our military or our president.
Posted by: Jeff at November 05, 2006 08:43 AM (YkP4i)
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Earl, those four newspaper are Gannet-owned subsidiaries. They are civilain newspapers owned by corporations, and I think I heard that they share journalists with USA Today, but I can't independently confirm that.
The point is that they have absolutely nothing to do with the military brass, or official or even semi-official military publications.
You
should get mad that Gannett is underhanded enough to fool voters (and in your case they obviously were sucessful) just days before a national election. Their sole intent was to make it apparent that the military wrote these opinions, when assuredly they did not. They conned you, and the sad think is, you'll tolerate being lied to because it is what you want to hear.
Both Instapundit and Gateway Pundit have links and facts that throughly demolished the editorials before they 've even officially been published.
Quite frankly, this kind of stuff is electioneering by the media, and perhaps they shold consider this kind of stuff the next time they consider campaign reform.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 05, 2006 09:05 AM (HcgFD)
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Earl
Those papers are, as mentioned many times, NOT affiliated with our Armed Forces. The sad part is our troops have to read this crap, written by un-named writers and shirks and have nothing to compare it with, especially the truth.
The American people are getting only the bad part of what is really going on over there. The media is partisan to the democrats and the enemy. It is a sad note when forces in our own country are working against our own country just becasuse they hate the president and want to bring him down.
Agree or not that we should be in Iraq, it is our country you are sabbotaging by the daily sniping about the war effort. Even the enemy, the Islamo-fascists, has come out and said they want the democrats to win. Why do you think that is ?
Ask yourself this if Bush and Rumsfeld are running such a rotten campaign why wouldn't the enemy want them to stay ?
We read everyday in the press that we can't win over there, we hear from Durbin, Kennedy , his clone, Kerry, et al, that everything done to date is wrong,,, Why don't these Military Experts come up with a better plan ?
The dem plan is to Cut, Run and Hide and pertend everything is still pre-September 11, 2001.
You dems better wake up, we pull out of Iraq the next battlefield will be in our own back yard, like New York City.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 09:54 AM (0Co69)
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CY and Mark,
You didn't read my whole post. I said, "Why don't you tell us how well the war in Iraq is going, only the MSM refuses to tell us about it? I can't get enough of that one." Thanks for obliging me. The Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times, Air Force Times, etc have nothing to do with the millitary. Got it. They are parts of the MSM cabal. The largest corporations on Earth have a plot to tear down capitalism and gut our armed forces. Got it.
Time to stop dreaming, boys. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:48 PM (CtTiq)
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Earl
Why, Earl, every GI I have talked to is amazed at how poorly the war is reported, They can't believe the press is reporting the same war they just left. Gee Earl could it be the press has an ulterior motive, Nahh, not the commies at the New York Times, or CNN, why doesn't CNN show its own Journalists gettting picked off by a sniper, or flaunt the beheadings of its journalists. No it would rather show an American soldier getting hit, thats fair and balanced. You have just showed your true colors.
So you figure that out you seem to be good at mis-interpreting this country.
As far as the 'times's' are concerned they are not affiliated with the United States Armed Forces, Gannet is a big leftist-liberal news service.
The the bigger point is, you have one aim and that is to get out of Iraq, then what, what is your plan ? like all the weenies on the left you have none, except cut and run just like Clinton did in Somalia, where do you think Osama got the Idea that America did not have the stomach for a war, just give US a bloddy nose and we will cut and run.
Your ilk and the kennedys and kerrys screwed us in Vietnam it aint gonna happen again. We will win this thing with or without you. you make the call you are either with us or against us. It is that simple.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 02:31 PM (0Co69)
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Mark,
Sure, the press has an ulterior motive. ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, CNN, FOX, etc all have clear ties to the communist party. They want to throw of the yoke of capitalism. CNN loves it when American soldiers die.
Army/Navy/Air Force/Marine Corps Times interview generals and admirals and stuff, but they really have little to do with the armed services. They too are Trotskyite front organizations looking to undermine our efforts in Iraq because they love to see American blood flow.
I love it when you all say, "Nyah nyah nyah, what's you liberals' plan if your so smart?" The honest truth is that there aren't any good alternatives. There's certainly no good reason to see any more of our finest die. For what? There never has been a democracy formed by the barrel of a gun, right? That's liberal craptrap.
Wake up, Mark. The dream's over. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 07:23 PM (CtTiq)
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You confirm our suspicions again, Earl. You are clueless.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 05, 2006 07:43 PM (Xw2ki)
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Earl
Demos do not like the military. But meanwhile, they vote against the Patriot Act. They vote against listening to jihadi phone calls. They vote against trying jihadis in military courts. They call our troops the equivalent of Hitler. They equate Abu Ghraib to the Soviet gulag. They consistently run down our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Who else, Earl, would do this to their own country, but someone who wants to destroy it.
Think back, Earl, to September 11, 2001, we were attacked on our own soil, to the extent that Pearl Harbor looked mild in comparison. 3000 Americans were murdered, slaughtered for doing nothing more than being in the wrong place at the right time. They have no plan except to 'book' out of Iraq, to run and hide and appease the terrorists. Appeasement has never won anything and never will.
Can you imagine if todays democrats would have been in charge during the second world war, You want to talk casualties, in 72 hours on Tarawa, the Marines took 4500 casualties, 1500 dead they killed almost 6000 Japs and that wasn't even a three day campaign, you want to talk intense, waste of life, lack of planning, they miscalculated the tides, the Higgins boats were hanging up on the Coral reefs and couldn't go any farther, the Marines had to wade in waist deep half never made it. They were cut down wading across 500 yards of coral, some went off the ramps and went too deep and never came up. Was their sacrifice worth it ? You damn well better believe it. And so is the sacrifice we are making in Iraq, because if we don't make this sacrifice those sons of bitches will be here in the good ole US of A. And then we will see how fast YOU, change your mind.
Then, maybe then you will wake up.
Use your head for something other than a 'hat-rack', you already admitted you have no plan at least you are upfront about that, the dem candidates have not the guts to at least be honest about that.
Posted by: Mark at November 05, 2006 08:12 PM (0Co69)
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To this newspaper reporter long, long ago, what's happening in the news media chills and disturbs. Years ago, I predicted that the press would worsen, but I did not anticipate so profound a corruption, or so great a distance between the media and a large part of the public.
Assume that Kerry's staff is correct and Kerry dropped the word "us." So the target if his insult wasn't the military, it was the President. But neither the alleged prepared text nor those actually spoken apply to the President, or if one thinks they do, then they apply with equal or greater force to Kerry, as cf bleachers demonstrates.
In either case, Kerry was wrong, not right. Someone who claims to want to debate "real policy" ought not engage in crass personal insults. Someone who insults people in the military, allegedly inadvertently, in time of war, no less, ought to claim rapidly that his tongue had slipped; he had not meant to say what he had said, and he apologized for saying something so contrary to what he believed, or words to that effect. But he failed to apologize in any effective way. His weak, perhaps forced, apology was not made in a public forum; instead, he used his public forum to insult his Other, Republicans. One of his many press defenders wrote that Kerry is "obviously not anti-military." Given what Kerry has said on past occasions, that is not this writer's impression. I think he said what he really thought; he said what many on the left think, as readers of nutroot comments can attest.
People were outraged. Journalists? Perhaps, but only because their drive to push donkeys into office was distracted: one TV correspondent said she hoped that the fuss would disappear in a day. The press preferred to push aside distractions like the gaffe, the protest, and the misguided, wild swings at Kerry's Other, as the press ignored the Swift Boat charges. (My newspaper in Massachusetts never printed any report on the SwiftiesÂ’s charges.)
Am I the only one to be greatly disturbed that the press is now unreliable in reporting facts fairly and truthfully on substantive matters at issue in America, but wholly reliable in favoring certain people and causes? Or that The New York Times, which regularly wins journalism awards, may be the worst offender re: truth and fairness in the press?
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"There never has been a democracy formed by the barrel of a gun, right? That's liberal craptrap."
Posted by Earl at November 5, 2006 07:23 PM
Democracy is formed and ran by the Vote. The Iraqi's have voted (better turn-out than us in the U.S. by population).
Our guns are there to protect against those that want to rid the average Iraqi the vote.
Whom is it better to have, those that try to change your vote (or not even let you vote) at the point of a gun, or those protecting your right to do so?
I know my choice.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 06, 2006 06:28 AM (0EcTE)
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Mark
"Demos do not like the military."
Bull.
"But meanwhile, they vote against the Patriot Act."
Some of us cherish the Bill of Rights, some don't.
"They vote against listening to jihadi phone calls."
Nobody voted against that, you're listening to propaganda. Dems voted against UNWARRANTED wiretaps. If Bush wants to tap calls, let him get a warrant. As I said, some of us like the Bill of Rights.
"They vote against trying jihadis in military courts."
We like the Bill of Rights. Why don't you?
"They call our troops the equivalent of Hitler."
Bull.
"They equate Abu Ghraib to the Soviet gulag."
You saw the pictures, big guy. That's torture, plain and simple. Some of us want to continue to be a beacon to the world, not to let sadists run free.
"They consistently run down our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan."
Iraq is a disaster and had nothing to do with 911. Afghanistan should have been our focus. We should have gotten Bin Laden there. W and his crew couldn't have done much worse.
The jig's up, Mark.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:17 PM (1vDHD)
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Retired Spy,
I said, there's never been a democracry formed at the barrel of a gun. You seem to want to refute this, but got lost along the way. Don't give up though, you're doing great! You sounded clever with your 'whom', but you shouldn't have capitalized 'vote' and the plural of Iraqi is Iraqis, not Iraqi's. We're rooting for you!
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This is a
NY Times November bombshell as designed by the North Koreans.
The breaking article seems to be an attempt to attack the Bush Administration for releasing potentially classified information (yes, the ironymeter is pegged), but what they actually prove is that Saddam's nuclear weapons program was indeed a significant threat.
Not only were they close to developing their own nuclear bomb (at one point the Iraqis "were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away"), they also had that nucelar weapon building knowledge available to proliferate to other rogue states.
The Times may have set out to attack Bush, but instead, they have justified the rationale for the 2003 invasion.
Thanks, Pinch.
Update: Josh Manchester notes that this article seems to be an attempt by the NY Timesto pull an "Al-Qaqaa" once more before an national election.
Further Update: As Glenn Reynolds notes:
Judging from some of the delighted emails I'm getting, I need to warn people not to get too carried away -- this doesn't say that Saddam would have had a bomb in 2004. But it does say that he had all the knowledge needed to have a bomb in short order. And as we know he was looking to reconstitute his program once sanctions were ended -- and that sanctions were breaking down in 2003 -- that's pretty significant. However, perhaps even more significant, given that we knew most of the above already, is that the NYT apparently regards the documents that bloggers have been translating for months as reliable, which means that reports of Iraqi intelligence's relations with Osama bin Laden, and "friendly" Western press agencies, are presumably also reliable.
And as these documents are "presumably also reliable," then much of the research into these documents done by a former Defense Intelligence Agency contractor by the name of Ray Robinson is certainly worth a second or even a third look. Robinson compiled some of his research for the Fox News Saddam Dossier, and has much more in the archives of his personal site.
Robinson thinks he may have even triggered this by contacting the IAEA two weeks ago.
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Damn, all of those jihadis in Karachi and Riyadh and Damascus who are otherwise borderline illiterate-
but shockingly well trained in advanced nuclear physics AND in possession of enormous amounts of enriched uranium are going to build a bomb now!
We're doomed! Monkeyboy is right!!
Posted by: TMF at November 03, 2006 08:43 AM (+BgNZ)
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FYI, that "moron" comment was directed at the
Times, not anyone here.
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Guess the NY Times will be reporting all the other documents too-
The ones showing Saddam planned on "attacking US interests", and that Saddam and his cronies set up multiple high level discussions with Al Qaeda, and had ties to the Taliban.....etc etc etc
I guess the DUMBASSocrat talking points are kinda in the shitter now, huh?
Quick, shift the goalposts (again) idiots!
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A couple of key points missed in the summary:
First, the documents mainly describe Iraq's nuclear situation in the early 1990s, not at the time of the war. Remember that progressives are not saying that Iraq was never a threat; rather, they say that the threat had been contained since Gulf War 1. The work of weapons inspectors and these documents seem to bear that out.
Second, the article points out that, "The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians." It is these conservative who spurred the publication of what the article describes as a "cookbook" for making nuclear weapons.
We don't want nuts like Hussein to have nukes. Why would conservatives want to spread the danger around to vast numbers of other nuts who have Internet access?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at November 03, 2006 09:15 AM (tVin7)
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So, a minor political gain for the Republicans is worth providing al Qaeda with an instruction manual on how to construct a nuclear bomb to you guys?
Good luck next week...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 11:37 AM (unUeA)
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Well, there are two possibilities, and you can't mix & match... either:
- The info in these documents is so common and/or so useless without access to enriched uranium, high-speed firing circuits, etc. that it was just as useless to Hussein in 1990 as it is to Iran today & therefore not an indicator of Iraq's being a legitimate nuclear threat in 2003, or
- The info _is_ incredibly valuable & dangerous, and posting it on the Internet in the first place was so unbelieveably stupid that Rick Santorum, Pat Roberts, and Bush should all be shot for treason immediately.
Choose your poison.
Posted by: legion at November 03, 2006 12:24 PM (3eWKF)
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And once again that Oh-so-bright, non-pundit, Monkeyboy, rides in on a Great Dane to punish us with his wit and wisdom.
Figure it out dimwit - The NYT just validated every single document that has been translated. Now IF (big if) you had brains enough to follow that story, you would realize that those documents point to everything you and yours said was a lie about Iraq: WMDs (documents relating to the storage of weapons, relating to hiding of documents, relating to cooperation with Syria, documents relating to hiding portions of the programs until the sanctions ended...etc.), AlQuaeda (documents regarding meetings between Iraqi government officials and Al Quaeda), and terrorist activities (documents about terrorist training camps in Iraq).
Was it dumb to put the plans for a nuke up? Well yes. But - I'll wait until we have an expert look at those documents and tell us someone who knows nothing about nuclear physics and nuclear weapon building could actually use them to build a weapon.
But in the meantime I demand an apology from every dimwit that has repeated the DNC mantra "Bush Lied." Why? Because the famous, treasonous NYT just showed that he did not. LOL. The joke is on you.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 12:27 PM (ybfXM)
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If it was released, then its no longer classified. Kinda by definition...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 03, 2006 01:46 PM (AuPsg)
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Hehe, nice spin.
The fringe right puts up a trove of captured Iraqi documents and what do they show?
How to make a nuke...conviently translated into arabic...
Another bullseye for the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 02:25 PM (unUeA)
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I'm pretty sure you meant "rogue" states. :-)
It's a shame, I understand the NY Times was once a very well respected newspaper. They are certainly doing a good imitation of a bunch of partisan hacks lately.
Posted by: jvon at November 03, 2006 03:39 PM (1Lf5G)
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Well, the gang's all here, let's burp the f*** out of some tupperware.
Posted by: Pinko Punko at November 03, 2006 04:21 PM (6F6lT)
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The only morons here are the ones who believe that Saddam's nuclear program was so advanced that we needed to go to war over it some 12 years after it was shut down. The only morons here are the people who pushed for the release of these documents. The absolute insanity of someone thinking they're making the world safe by distributing this information is astounding. This is a jump the shark moment for the right-wing blogosphere. Believe it.
Posted by: Fred at November 03, 2006 04:46 PM (jSBbA)
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Hey Pinko, what are you doing here? I got lost on my way to Gateway Pundit, and I'm almost out of apple slices and yogurt bars.
Posted by: Sadly, No! Research Labs at November 03, 2006 05:17 PM (SVMKI)
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Freddo the Moron,
Thanks for your miniscule input to the discussion. It's surprising to know that your vocabulary has grown to such proportions. Taking remedial courses again?
I suppose you know what the doucments said? They indicated that there were still active NBC programs going on. They delineated what stuff would be hidden where, who was doing the hiding, how they had faked out the inspectors (even in the late 90s - yes Freddy-boy - the late 90's. BTW - that's not 12 years ago as you state as fact - much less). Why don't you do some studying before throwing accusations around? It might (big might) make you sound a little credible.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:18 PM (ybfXM)
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(at one point the Iraqis "were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away"),...
Before the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Bob. Not in March, 2003.
Posted by: Kathy at November 03, 2006 05:20 PM (wWPI1)
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Oh - and BTW MonkeyShine and Freddo,
Did you stop to think about the fact that these documents came from Hussein's government? Even if you could somehow ignore the fact that there is evidence (documents) that indicate that Hussein had big plans in the nuclear department, you certainly can't ignore the fact that he HAD THE PLANS. So - according to you it was wrong that they got posted on a web site (which I would agree with), but it is Okey-dokey that Hussein had them. Right? Didya stop to think that maybe, just maybe he could have given them to someone else, sold them to the highest bidder, handed thme to Hamas or Hezbollah? Bet not - cuz you don't stop to think. You just post away....
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:30 PM (ybfXM)
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Kathy,
Contrary to your opinion, some of the very same documents that the NYT referred to, and have now seemingly validated, refer to how the Iraqi regime was moving stuff around, and how they were hiding things from inspectors in the late 90s. Including their nuclear program. Was it huge? We don't know - yet. But you just can't make blanket statements about "It was before the first Gulf War." Read and study.
Posted by: Specter at November 03, 2006 05:34 PM (ybfXM)
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Bill Clinton did not doubt Saddam had such a program. I remember Clinton discussing it shortly before the invasion.
One thing I thought interesting was that after the invasion of Iraq, Kaddafi gave up his nuclear program. It was also unknown he had such a program or that so many Iraqi scientists were involved in it. It seems that with the Pakistani scientist Kahn selling his knowledge and people like Saddam sending people to university in the west to acquire weapons technology there was a concerted effort to make these weapons. I don't know why people would find that idea surprising.
Posted by: Terrye at November 03, 2006 05:40 PM (euEqa)
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Even if we kinda float right over that interpretation of nukes, and Iraq, and invading, and whatnot, one would have to say that posting nuclear plans on the Web, in Arabic, probably wasn't the smartest thing to do.
I mean, I think all reasonable folks can agree here.
Posted by: Sadly, No! Research Labs at November 03, 2006 06:00 PM (SVMKI)
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The NYT has only claimed -- not shown -- that the documents released so far contain any kind of "manual" on how to build a bomb.
Or rather, they are reporting that the IAEA is suddenly making this claim after having expressed no concerns about the documents before.
According to Rep. Peter Hoekstra (see http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006267.htm), the DNI has only released about 40% of the docs, keeping the rest due to security concerns. He asserts that the IAEA is piping up now in order to influence the election.
What the released documents apparently show is that Hussein had accumulated a lot of know how on building a bomb, and was actively hiding it from the US/UN until it was safe to resume work, or to pass on to other parties.
Posted by: Scott at November 03, 2006 06:33 PM (0cf1u)
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What's surprising (well, not really) is that the same people who just yesterday were hyperventilating over the NYT publishing some powerpoint slide that shows Iraq is a fiasco are now trying to spin the fact that Bush & Co. put online a manual showing how to construct a nuclear device as some sort of victory...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 03, 2006 06:35 PM (unUeA)
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Lets say for a moment that these documents did prove Sadam was building nukes and working with Bin Laden. I would think that the president would have been waving the hard copies on national press confrence. Or mayhaps have Colin Powel wave them around in the UN to make up for the bottle of fake anthrax.
So the logical question is why didn't they. One answer would be gross incompetence, which is believable. The other is that the Bush Admin was only using the WMD issue as a marketing tool to get the nation to go along with the insane idea of Democratizing the Mid East by force and there was no real effort to locate WMD. This too is believable because of the halhearted attempts capture Bin Laden. Remember, after all, that not to long after 9/11 Bush said that he didn't spend much time thinking about Bin Laden.
So the current administration are either incompetent or crooks, take your pick
Posted by: Not Dick but Richard at November 03, 2006 06:46 PM (1HuM5)
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Take a look. Other news outlets are covering uo the story...http://theanchoressonline.com/2006/11/03/ny-times-big-scoop-getting-buried-by-media-pals/
I am so fed up with the MSM....
Posted by: kelleyb at November 03, 2006 07:13 PM (arps5)
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And where did they get that documentation from, monky? From Iraq, a country we invaded in time to prevent them from building a nuke.
Thanks, morons.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 03, 2006 07:20 PM (HcgFD)
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And where did they get that documentation from, monky?
Iran perhaps? Clinton ordered the CIA to intentionally give Iran the plans to an atomic bomb.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 03, 2006 10:11 PM (AuPsg)
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The most under reported success of Gulf War II was that Kaddafi gave up his nuclear dreams and allowed inspectors into Libya. I guess he will be watching tomorrow when Saddam's verdict is announced.
Posted by: Tom TB at November 04, 2006 10:31 AM (0Co69)
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This is a bit hard to follow...the spin is so severe, I'm in need of cyberdramamine...is someone really attempting to suggest that the overarching issue to be considered here...is that there are directions on how to build a bomb...?????
This is patently devoid of logic. In order to BUILD nuclear weaponry under current scientific and technological knowledge...you need materials so difficult to come by and assemble...that it is nearly impossible for most COUNTRIES. Nation-states. (dirty bombs aside...it still is very difficult)
Walking through the logic (very slowly...so the subversives can follow), the leftists were FOR YEARS.... SCOFFING at Saddam's ABILITY TO OBTAIN AND WEAPONIZE the needed uranium and heavy water plants. (yellowcake...Valerie Plame...remember that whole issue???)
Does anyone seriously believe that Iran, Iraq, North Korea...have to depend upon reading INTERNET SITES to build a foundation for their weaponizing nuclear reactions? Is THAT really the argument? How utterly inane?!!!
The left has gone over the edge. Baghdad Bob would look straight into the camera and say with all seriousness that no tanks were rolling by.
The subsersive left looks right at us and tells us that they can't see their own BS. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, he used them, ...several times...he had intentions of building more...to what lifeform above an eggplant is this not axiomatic?
This particular leftist "Baghdad Bob" routine...is a gig that is now fully cooked, so let's put a fork in it on this issue. Admit the obvious...the man (Saddam) hated the West, especially the US (more than our own leftists do) and would have built any weapon he could to threaten Israel and us.
Since the left has long ago turned its back on Israel...the real issue for them is...are Israelis lives worth fighting for? Since THAT answer for them is hell no...and would have been in 1939 as well...no lie, no distortion, no duplicity, no subversiveness is too big.
The left doesn't simply want to cut and run from Iraq...they are rooting for the destruction of Israel. They are countenancing the "drive the Jews into the sea" behavior of the Islamofascists.
All the rest is subterfuge...and they have gone over the edge.
Posted by: cf bleachers at November 04, 2006 11:34 AM (V56h2)
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Shorter CF Bleachers:
"Why not post nuclear secrets on the Web in Arabic? After all, Saddam once had WMDs, and the left hates Israel."
Posted by: Sadly, No! Research Labs at November 04, 2006 12:46 PM (SVMKI)
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Bonus Shorter CF Bleachers:
10 INPUT U$
20 PRINT U$ "...proving that the left has gone over the edge."
REM bwahahaha
30 GOTO 10
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Al-Taei Kidnapping Motive: Ransom?
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Time:
A kidnapping ring has demanded a $250,000 ransom from the family of the U.S. soldier abducted in Iraq, a suspiciously low sum that his family worries could be a sign that he is no longer alive.
The Pentagon Thursday confirmed for the first time that Specialist Ahmed al-Taie, a Michigan National Guardsman assigned to the Provincial Reconstruction Team Baghdad, has been "unaccounted for" since Oct. 23 at 4:30pm; he is currently listed as "duty status whereabouts unknown." Family members of the 41-year-old Iraqi-American from Ann Arbor, Mich. say he was nabbed by a gang claiming to be from the Mahdi Army while he was on an unauthorized trip outside the fortified Green Zone to visit his wife in Baghdad.
The ransom demand for al-Taie was relayed earlier this week to al-Taie's uncle Entifad Qanbar, a former spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress and recently an official in the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. Qanbar described to TIME the complicated negotiations he has been engaged in on behalf of the family and in close coordination with the U.S.-led Hostage Working Group, a task force in the U.S. embassy in Baghdad made up of specialists from multiple U.S. agencies and the military.
Reading the Time story leave one with the impression that the kidnapping was done purely as a criminal exercise.
We have the option of accepting that at face value, but kidnapping an American serviceman would seem to be an extremely risky enterprise for a group merely interested in profit. Whereas the kidnapping of Iraqi civilians leads to only an Iraqi police response (if that), the kidnapping of al-Taei led to a massive military-led recovery effort that has at least 3,000 American and Iraqi soldiers conducting area sweeps and house-to-house searches, a response that most criminal kidnappers would understandably shy away from.
Kidnapping for ransom is a not uncommon practice throughout the developing world, and is increasingly common in regards to the kidnapping of Iraqis for political or criminal means, but it is comparatively rare for foreigners to be kidnapped for ransom, and the al-Taei kidnapping, if a criminal exercise, would be the first kidnapping of an American soldier in an attempt to turn a profit since the war began.
It simply seems doubtful that an experienced kidnapping gang would take such risks for such a comparatively small reward. Politics, hidden behind a veil of base criminal motivation, still seems to be the most likely reason to kidnap such a high-profile target.
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Negotiations Underway to Release Captured U.S. Army Translator
As I said in
response to Andrew Sullivan's
willfully ignorant claim yesterday that "commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia":
Andrew Sullivan disingenuously misrepresents a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the rescue effort as the entire rescue effort, discounting all active military and police searches, intelligence gathering efforts, and back-channel political maneuvering that we know from past experience is certainly taking place.
This morning, Fox News confirms that the back-channel political maneuvering I discussed is indeed occuring:
The U.S. military identified a kidnapped soldier for the first time on Thursday, saying the abducted Iraqi-American was 41-year-old Ahmed Qusai al-Taayie.
Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell also said that the reserve soldier was visiting his Iraqi wife when he was handcuffed and taken away by gunmen during a visit to the woman's family.
Caldwell said there was "an ongoing dialogue" in a bid to win the soldier's release, but he would not say with whom or at what level.
The fact that al-Taei (or as this article spells it "al-Taayie") did not turn up dead within the first 72 hours of his abduction, and the fact that he is believed to have been captured by the Mahdi Army instead of al Qaeda, leads me to believe that he was abducted not to become a victim of torture and murder, but to become a political pawn for one of the factions of Muqtada al-Sadr's militia.
What remains to be seen, and what we may never know, is whether al-Taei's capture is something that al-Sadr had a hand in, or if a faction within his loosely-organized Mahdi Army Militia conducted the kidnapping independently. If al-Taei's abduction was not conducted with al-Sadr's knowledge or blessing, there is the possibility that the kidnapping is evidence of a rift between factions of the Mahdi Army.
If so (and this is purely speculation), it could be that factions within the Mahdi Army are using the kidnapping to make a run on al-Sadr's control of the militia. The kidnapping places a microscope on al-Sadr (note the renewed calls to have him killed, which stem at least in part from the kidnapping), and depending on internal Iraqi politics, could rattle his standing with both other Mahdi Army factions and with the Iraqi government, which for now, seems to be doing the bidding of al-Sadr (on that, at least, Sullivan was correct).
If al-Sadr starts to lose (more) control of the Madhi Army, his importance to and influence within the Iraqi government may wane, and the possibility that Ralph Peters may eventually get his wish, perhaps courtesy of the apparently fragmenting Mahdi Army itself.
Update: Josh Manchester has further thoughts.
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I'm sure there is an 'ongoing dialogue' in the same sense that the Israelis are having dialogues with Hamas and Hezbollah to get their kidnapped soldiers back, we're having a dialogue with Iraq to keep them from going nuclear, we're having a dialogue with North Korea and the Democrats and Republicans are having a dialogue on how best to run this country. Lots of people talking, nothing getting accomplished.
Posted by: steve sturm at November 02, 2006 11:48 AM (EnsCM)
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I thought we weren't supposed to negotiate with terrorists?
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PowerPointless
A clandestine program to track terrorist communications into the United States splashes across the pages of the
New York Times, and the government does nothing in response. A top secret program is leaked in the same paper revealing how terrorist funding is monitored, and again, the leaker goes free.
Today, the leak of a minor but still classified report, including a PowerPoint slide, has the Pentagon wanting to drop the hammer:
The Pentagon is looking into how classified information indicating Iraq is moving closer to chaos wound up on the front page of Wednesday's New York Times, and is not ruling out an investigation that could lead to criminal charges.
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which has responsibility for operations in Iraq, confirmed to FOX News that a chart published in The Times is a real reflection of the thinking of military intelligence on the situation in Iraq as of Oct. 18, adding that an effort is underway to find out who leaked the chart and if the breach of operational security constitutes a crime.
The published report includes a classified one-page slide show from an Oct. 18 military briefing. The slide show is titled: "Iraq: Indications and Warnings of Civil Conflict," and shows spiraling violence in Iraq and a worsening position for American efforts.
Based on the slide show, Iraq is moving sharply away from "peace," designated in green on the left side of the chart, to a point much closer to the red-zoned right side of the spectrum, marked "chaos."
News flash to the Pentagon: This is kinda like letting someone break into your house, steal your valuables and rough up your family, only to get pissed off when they trample on the grass while leaving.
If the government wants to start nailing those who leak classified information during a time of war, they should start with the most important cases, not much less important ones such as this.
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The first two, NSA and SWIFT, weren't DOD back yard. The military has fewer political concerns and less wiggle room on classified material. Too bad NSA and Justice aren't the same way.
Posted by: Paul at November 02, 2006 12:22 AM (HMgsG)
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Hehe,
Only the Pentagon would think the current state of Iraq is a secret...
Posted by: monkyboy at November 02, 2006 04:36 AM (unUeA)
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The so-called "state of Iraq" put forward by the media couldn't be a secret because it's a farrago of lies, apelad.
Posted by: Robert Speirs at November 02, 2006 09:30 AM (D1aQ7)
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Perhaps the reason that they got so upset about this one, is that this is an actual transfer of documents. Since supposedly most of the "facts" in the other story's were false, and only transfered based on verbal recollection of 2 very complicated programs, whereas this is a clear reproduction (which there is no doubt that it is illegal to publish) of a classified document that the times has no right to have, they know they have no right to have it, because it clearly says "classified" and they published it, even though they knew that it is illegal for them to publish it.
Thats why they are hammering down on this one, because all of the guilt is in your face with just one printed word "classified"
The other stories were rumors based on unnamed reliable sources that didn't include the exchange of classified documentation.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 02, 2006 10:04 AM (QTv8u)
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Uhhh, Robert? If it's all media-generated lies, then why does the classified military appraisal _agree_?
Posted by: legion at November 02, 2006 10:25 AM (3eWKF)
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The appraisal doesn't say that legion. Gateway has a comparisson.
There is only one "red caution" statement and that is about the use of violence in sectarian conflict, well, duh. everything else is median or better.
What you are saying is what was reported, and what was reported is inaccurate. The prolly wrote the headline before they got the document, hell they prolly wrote the headline before the war.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 02, 2006 10:45 AM (QTv8u)
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Wickedpinto, I think you are absolutely correct. The transfer of an actual "classified" document did indeed push the DOD "over the edge". It was most likely the "straw that broke the camel's back". It was bad enough when the NYSlimes printed classified information regarding our counterterrorism programs, but much, much worse when they reduced themselves to printing actual documents. I sincerely hope the DOD is serious enough that the guilty party finds himself/herself in court facing some very serious charges.
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As seems to be his pattern lately, Andrew Sullivan suckles onto one fact and uses it to fatten up a dishonest charge
he cannot support:
While the media is obsessed parsing the ad libs of someone on no ballot this fall, something truly ominous has just happened in Iraq. The commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia. Yes, there are nuances here, and the NYT fleshes out the story today. But the essential fact is clear.
What Andrew Sullivan obtusely states as "fact" is nothing of the sort.
U.S. forces withdrew from checkpoints around the Sadr City slum at Prime Minster Maliki's request, but it is quite a leap to suggest that by turning over checkpoints to the Iraqi Army, that efforts to secure the release of captured U.S Army translator Ahmed Qusai al-Taei have been abandoned.
Does Sullivan honestly believe, and does he even have the basis to believe, that the cordons around Sadr City were the only measure being taken to secure al-Taei's release? If so, Sullivan betrays a stupefying naiveté. More likely, however, he just abandoned any pretense of honesty in favor of a cheap partisan shot that suits his increasingly fractured and incoherent ideology.
I'll state in advance that I do not know specifically what U.S. and Iraqi military, police and political forces are doing to retrieve al-Taei (nor would I reveal the details if I knew them), but what I can state with a fair degree of certainty is that those who kidnapped him at gunpoint:
- had planned the kidnapping in advance
- had a pre-planned and nearby location where they would take al-Taei, in what they consider a safe and sympathetic area from which they are very unlikely to move
It is almost certain that al-Taei was already in this pre-planned containment area before a cordon was ever established. They are now even less likely to move him because of the much greater risk of exposure that any move would entail.
We also know that a passive cordon would only be part of an overall plan to rescue this missing soldier, based upon all-too recent experience.
When Pfcs. Menchacha and Tucker were kidnapped by al Qaeda in June, more than 8,000 soldiers from the U.S. and Iraqi armies participated in the search. We know that forces have actively searched for al-Taei by foot and air, and that there is no sign that the active searches, those that are most likely to be effective at this late stage of the kidnapping, have abated in the least.
Sullivan, of course, does not mention this, perhaps purposefully.
He wouldnÂ’t want to ruin his pre-determined narrative:
The U.S. military does not have a tradition of abandoning its own soldiers to foreign militias, or of taking orders from foreign governments. No commander-in-chief who actually walks the walk, rather than swaggering the swagger, would acquiesce to such a thing. The soldier appears to be of Iraqi descent who is married to an Iraqi woman. Who authorized abandoning him to the enemy? Who is really giving the orders to the U.S. military in Iraq? These are real questions about honor and sacrifice and a war that is now careening out of any control. They are not phony questions drummed up by a partisan media machine to appeal to emotions to maintain power.
Actually, these are "phony questions drummed up by a partisan media machine," and, that machine is an intellectual Trabant at that.
Andrew Sullivan disingenuously misrepresents a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the rescue effort as the entire rescue effort, discounting all active military and police searches, intelligence gathering efforts, and back-channel political maneuvering that we know from past experience is certainly taking place.
I donÂ’t expect Sullivan to be nonpartisan or ideologically neutral, but a do expect him to approach the subject with at least a hint of intellectual honesty that he has not thus far shown.
11-02-06 Update: Fox News confirms this morning that the back channel negotiations I mentioned above are indeed occuring. More here.
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Got to disagree with you on this one. we set up the roadblocks to help us find the guy. if they were being dismantled because they were viewed as ineffective, that would be one thing. but that isn't what happened. they were taken down because the bozo maliki demanded they be dismantled. you can quibble all you want about other steps being taken, but when you take away something that is viewed as critical, it's hard to argue that getting the guy back is our top priority.
Posted by: steve sturm at November 01, 2006 04:32 PM (EnsCM)
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You are wrong on this one. The checkpoints were removed because al-Sadr demanded it through al-Maliki. Since when does al-Maliki give orders to U.S. forces? Especially forces attempting to find a captured U.S. soldier.
Sullivan is right and you are wrong. You can try to spin it all you want.
Posted by: Pug at November 01, 2006 05:44 PM (r5zYa)
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Sullivan is still an idiot because while Kerry may not be on the ballot (thanks be to God), his idiot comments are a reminder of the rhetoric and shenanigans of the Democrat Party over the past 5 years. I have plenty of reasons to vote against the GOP but nothing to vote FOR the Democrats. If anything they give me even more reason to vote against them in spite of what makes me angry with the Republicans.
Posted by: John at November 01, 2006 06:25 PM (tROri)
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Andrew Sullivan knows about as much Jean-Francois Kerry does about the military and the people who serve in it.
It is not surprising, thought. Both of these guys think with the wrong head.
Posted by: Nahanni at November 01, 2006 08:00 PM (TOit4)
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Steve, i agree with you. The purpose of setting up the checkpoints is what to really look at. I don't like how they were taken down and under whose direction.
However, we can all agree they are still looking for him, so "abandon" is the wrong word. But this does seem to diminish their efforts.
Posted by: runner at November 01, 2006 09:28 PM (cPZB0)
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My understanding is that the Iraqis are going to be doing the checkpoints themselves. And I also heard that the Iraqis had arrested several people while looking for the soldier. And how do we really know who has the soldier? This is Iraq, someone could be pulling a fast one.
It just might be that there is more to all this than we know. Maliki is trying to look independent while at the same time trying not to run off the coalition. It would help if the US could gaurantee the Iraqis that we would not cut and run, but we can't and so it should not surprise us to see them trying to do more on their own.
Posted by: Terrye at November 01, 2006 11:19 PM (TfVRt)
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Well, checkpoints and cordons are an incredibly disruptive and labor-intensive way of searching for someone. It's not the sort of thing you just throw up randomly & hope you get lucky - it's only worthwhile if you have real reason to believe the victim is in the immediate vicinity.
We could have the entire 1st Infantry engaged in looking for this guy, but if they're not looking in the town we apparently believe him to be in, it's pretty flippin' pointless. We just got rooked by al-Maliki, and there's no other way to see it.
Posted by: legion at November 02, 2006 10:30 AM (3eWKF)
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Yeah, well, Bush isn't on the ballot, either, and the Dems haven't shied away from making him an issue in the campaigns of others.
"He believes what Bush believes." ergo: Bad
"He believes what Kerry believes" turnabout is fair play.
We abandoned the checkpoints because we were told to by the soveriegn government of the country to do so.
If we didn't abandon them, we'd be "defying the soveriegn Iraqi government". Since we did we are "abandoning our soldiers to a foreign militia."
If Bush eats ham, he's insulting Muslims and creating more terrorists. If Bush does not eat ham, he doesn't care about American pork farmers. If Bush listens in on Al Queda phone conversations coming into the U.S., he's "Big Brother invading our privacy". If he does not, he is "failing to protect America from what he should have known." If he wipes his nose he's killing trees. If he doesn't he's spreading disease -- engaging in Biological Warfare on his own people!
See a pattern here? Bush Wrong. The Moonbat Prime Directive.
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