September 17, 2008
U.S. Embassy in San'a, Yemen Survives Car Bombing, Assault
Word coming in right now claims that at least one primary blast thought to be a car bomb and numerous smaller blasts thought to be RPGs were detonated near the front gate of the U.S. Embassy compound in San'a, Yemen, and the blasts were followed by gunfire.
Sky News is saying the attackers were dressed as soldiers, and notes that the Yemeni branch of the Islamic Jihad had made threats just three days ago.
Reuters notes that the U.S. Embassy says no Americans were among the wounded.
According to CNN, ten police and civilians were killed, as were six attackers.
Developing...
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I'm glad to see our Marines and diplomats came through okay, though the loss of the civilian and police life is quite sad.
Posted by: OmegaPaladin at September 17, 2008 08:19 AM (IWZML)
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September 16, 2008
Will Obama Honor His Commitment to the Af-Pak War? Will We?
As I write this I'm IM-ing Michael Yon on the far side of the world, and the Iraq War's most experienced embedded combat journalist is frustrated with the lack of interest in the Afghanistan-Pakistan War. Yon's
Death in the Corn, Part 1 is a riveting story in a war the mainstream media has largely abandoned in order to cover far more pressing issues, such as developing new smears to float against Sarah Palin in a desperate attempt to extend the expiration date of Tina Fey's career on
Saturday Night Live.
Yon's current series of combat dispatches from inside C- Company 2 Para of the British Army in Afghanistan's Helmand Province alludes to near constant war with the Taliban, but the reader interest simply doesn't seem to be there.
Ironically, the same media that tried to subvert the war in Iraq with a flood of biased reporting is far more effectively neutering support for the campaign against the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan through negligence and indifference.
Americans will support our soldiers when they can see what they are fighting for. Americans must be able to empathize with our soldiers, and those they would set free. That is the reason Yon's iconic photograph of the Iraq war, of Major Mark Bieger cradling an Iraqi girl named Farah as he rushed to get her aid when she was mortally wounded by an car bomb, mattered so much. It proved that humanizing element. But even as powerful as his photos are, and as compelling as his writing is, Yon cannot carry the coverage of the Af-Pak War on alone.
And the Af-Pak War promises to get far worse before it gets better.
Al Qaeda and the Taliban have been using the tribal regions of Pakistan along the Afghan border as a sanctuary with the blessing and support of the ISI, Pakistan's most powerful intelligence service. President Bush, frustrated by the refusal of the Pakistani government to more actively act as an ally against al Qaeda and the Taliban, secretly authorized cross-border special forces raids, the authorization of which was of course loudly trumpeted in pages of the New York Times.
As a result, an embarrassed Pakistani military was compelled to announce they would fire on U.S. forces if they crossed the border. Allies? Perhaps we never really were, though we certainly liked to pretend that it were so. That illusion now seems to be falling away.
Interestingly, Pakistan's involvement, and the need to take the fight into the tribal regions, may have been one of the things that Barack Obama's army of 300 policy advisers got right, and as Chrstopher Hitchen's notes, may lead a much more involved and bloody war.
Sen. Barack Obama has, if anything, been the more militant of the two presidential candidates in stressing the danger here and the need to act without too much sentiment about our so-called Islamabad ally. He began using this rhetoric when it was much simpler to counterpose the "good" war in Afghanistan with the "bad" one in Iraq. Never mind that now; he is committed in advance to a serious projection of American power into the heartland of our deadliest enemy. And that, I think, is another reason why so many people are reluctant to employ truthful descriptions for the emerging Afghan-Pakistan confrontation: American liberals can't quite face the fact that if their man does win in November, and if he has meant a single serious word he's ever said, it means more war, and more bitter and protracted war at that—not less.
Two-important questions are raised by Hitchens' article.
- Will Republican Presidential candidate John McCain adopt Obama's more muscular approach in dealing with Pakistan's support of the Taliban if elected?
- Will Barack Obama have the mettle for a rare and prolonged break with his base and the Democratic Party he has voted with 96-percent of the time if elected, to fight the war he argues must be fought?
If McCain adopts a more muscular support, his track records suggests that he is willing to shoulder the burden of being unpopular, if it means seeing the war through to victory.
Barack Obama? He's never had to stand on his own before, and I'm not sure he's even tried.
If he is elected, and rises to the challenge of his rhetoric, I suspect he'll be as surprised as the rest of us.
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Maybe Michael Yon could take another iconic photograph of an American soldier cradling a dying Afghan child.
Only thing is, the child is probably dying because of an American missile or bomb strike, launched from many miles away in this heroic war.
Posted by: Suilamhain the Observant at September 16, 2008 10:38 AM (VRb5p)
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Not very observant,
I'm not seeing what's wrong with using technology to fight the war harder and more focused on the enemy. If you have a method of fighting the Taliban (remember, this is AFGHANISTAN), I'm sure the military would like to hear it. If you don't, then kindly put a sock in it and appreciate the fact that life is not perfect. If you want to fight the bastards behind 9/11, sometimes innocents will die.
Posted by: OmegaPaladin at September 17, 2008 01:17 AM (IWZML)
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Another leak to the media. Where does it say in the constitution that the nation needs to know every strategy the Administration is using to fight a war.
The Pakistanis knew about the cross border raids. This was not a problem until the Bush authorization bcae public. Then they had to declare they would fight the US if our forces crossed th border.
Posted by: davod at September 17, 2008 07:50 AM (GUZAT)
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Guys, no point giving me flak over this, it's the Afghan people you have to persuade. They are the ones who are suffering form all this "collateral damage". They are the ones who are turning away from the government who promised them a better life, and turning back to the Taliban.
Gates is right now over apologizing and promising the US will do a better job in future and not kill so many civilians.
Maybe if you were willing to go in on the ground and fight these people, there would not be so many mistakes. You would still have the advantage of devastating firepower, targeting, and superior training. But of course some of your guys might get killed.
I'm not saying that US soldiers arent willing to do this. But its patently obvious that the US people as a whole is not willing to stomach the casualties.
So the Afghan civilians will continue to die...
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September 14, 2008
FYI: Yon From Afghanistan Tonight on BlogTalk Radio
Michael Yon, currently embedded with British Paras in a combat outpost in Afghanistan, will be a guest Sunday Sept 14 at 11:00 PM on
The JihadiKiller Hour on BlogTalk Radio. Listen if you can.
Yon's next dispatch "Death In the Corn" will be posted at http://www.michaelyon-online.com/ tomorrow.
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It was a great show tonight! Remember that you can listen to the archive of it at the same site... You won't have the fun troll smashing time we did in the chat room though.....
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August 26, 2008
Jeep Jihadi Gets Up to 33 Years
Progressive university town that Chapel Hill is, they'll probably have some there
protest the decision which resulted from Taheri-Azar's attempt to kill UNC-Chapel Hill students in The Pit with a rented SUV.
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not enough, IMHO. That Bastard meant to murder people - randomly chosen, innocent people minding their own business. He shoulda been given flying lessons 30,000 ft over the Atlantic!
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August 19, 2008
Shocker: NY Times Decries Laughably Incompetent Taliban Rout As "Complex Attack"
You've
got to be kidding me:
The attack on Camp Salerno in Khost Province was one of the most complex attacks seen so far in Afghanistan with multiple suicide bombers and a backup fighting force that tried to breach defenses on to the airport at the base. It followed a suicide car bombing at the outer entrance to the same base on Monday morning, which killed 12 Afghan workers lining up to enter the base, and another attempted bombing that was thwarted shortly after.
The Taliban claimed responsibility for all three attacks in Khost. Their spokesman, Zabiullah Mujahed, reached by telephone at an unknown location, said that 15 suicide bombers, equipped with machine guns and vests packed with explosives, with 30 militants backing them up, attacked the base, one of the largest foreign military bases in Afghanistan. He claimed that some of the bombers had gotten inside the base and had killed a number of American soldiers and destroyed equipment and helicopters. This last claim was denied by General Azimi of the Afghan military.
Suicide bombers mull about while preparing for an attack against a fortified U.S./Afghan position, receive minimal support in the form of small arms cover fire from a small band of untrained militant irregulars before helicopters chop them to bits, and this is what the Times considers a "complex attack?"
No artillery or mortar support.
No mention of any flanking attack or feints.
No mention of even minimal attempts to camouflage the suicide bombers by disguising them as civilians or base workers or members of the opposite sex.
As a matter of fact, they didn't even manage a straight ahead, mindless assault into interlocking fields of fire. They got spotted well outside the perimeter and got cut to shreds while still 1,000 yards outside the base, and the majority of the Taliban seem to have been killed as they tried to flee. Is it even fair to say they were killed in an attack, when it appears they were blown to bits before the attack began?
Not that I'm singling out the Times for crappy coverage of the attack, The Scotsman account sounds like a Monty Python skit:
NATO troops and Taliban fighters clashed today after a group of the insurgents, backed by suicide bombers, tried to breach the defences of the main US base in south-eastern Afghanistan.
Backed by suicide bombers? I guess that is one way of making sure there will be no retreat.
The attack on the French base, by contrast, had far more deadly ramifications, with 10 French soldiers killed and another 21 wounded, but for the Times to try to inflate the importance or the complexity of the Taliban attack on Camp Salerno beyond the buffonish, ill-advised and utter failure that it was isn't simply bad reporting, but verges on making excuses for the other side.
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C'mon, CY!
Once you understand the coding of the stories, it's much easier.
If the Taliban attack, it's a complex attack (b/c that means that they're
able to attack, which means George W. Bush failed us).
If it succeeds, it's an
offensive, and we're about to lose.
If it
fails, then the evil Americans shot them in the back as they fled, and that's just not sporting. Haditha and Abu Ghraib all over again!
Of course, the code would be different if a Dem were in power.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at August 19, 2008 01:17 PM (QlYAH)
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The
Scotsman account sounds like a Monty Python skit
Yes...
this one.
Posted by: Russ at August 19, 2008 01:20 PM (5fmXL)
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Very clever, Lurking Observer
Posted by: ECM at August 19, 2008 01:43 PM (q3V+C)
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Since the media is actively rooting for the enemy they have to do something
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 19, 2008 03:36 PM (kNqJV)
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What happened to all the doomsday Iraq coverage in the MSM?
Posted by: Saltine at August 19, 2008 04:15 PM (9v34C)
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It all depends on the meaning of
"complex". 15 suicide bombers? Complex stupidity.
Posted by: Biscuiteater at August 19, 2008 07:31 PM (2JF/+)
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What really grinds my gears is to hear His Lord High Hopechangeyness, the Obamamessiah (PBUH) spouting how the surge failed and yadda yadda yadda.... It's wearing on me that he keeps saying how there's been no 'reconcilliation' and all the other shytte he's been pushing... I'd really love to see General Patreaus come out and say something publicly like "Oh so sorry Senator 143... It's only been what? Not even 9 months? Aaaaannnnd just what have YOU accomplished in the senate in the same timeframe? Besides becoming the most egocentric, presumptuous and fatuous candidate this side of Caligula? Siddown and Shuddup and let us work."
Posted by: Big Country at August 19, 2008 07:48 PM (niydV)
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Well, a bungled attack by muddled suicide bombers and "insurgents" probably looks like Omaha Beach to most members of the MSM. Their experience with military strategy amounts to playing "Battleship" when they were kids.
Posted by: Donna at August 19, 2008 08:58 PM (oEqhN)
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You seem unwilling to refer to the entire statement made in the article: "one of the most complex attacks seen so far in Afghanistan."
Why?
Are you familiar enough with all the Taliban attacks made over the past few years that you can say with certainty that this is not accurate?
If so, please provide the context.
PS, you might try finding "military contacts" (I believe that's your term) who can pass along military terminology that doesn't make you look silly repeating it.
Posted by: skylark at August 19, 2008 10:15 PM (B5Q3+)
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The term "complex attack" is used by both the UNDSS and ANSO in their daily incident reports here in Afghanistan. It means an attack using more than one weapon system (small arms, RPG's, mortars etc..) Under that definition virtually every attack here is a complex attack because of the use of RPG's.
I am familiar enough with Taliban attacks over the past four years (I'm also a retired Marine infantry officer) to say without reservation that this was not one of the most complex attacks by the Taliban - about 3 dozen better examples come immediately to mind. If the NY Times had a reporter here worthy of the name they would know that. But it is hard to report on Khost when your hanging at the Gandymack in Kabul enjoying sundowners and hash every evening. Can't expect the poor babies to actually get around and see something for themselves now can we? Nor is it fair to expect that they know anything about the fundamentals or dynamics of military operations...I mean it has been only four years since the first journalist embeds - the "profession" needs time to catch up (I guess?)
Posted by: Baba Tim at August 19, 2008 11:04 PM (hmXME)
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skylark - You are just another lib who doesn't know enough about military matters to comment intelligently about the post. Wouldn't the smart thing to do be to remain silent until you learn enough to frame and intelligent question instead of making yourself look stupid?
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Baba Tim:
Thanks very much for the helpful info.
However, do you see anything in the article that suggests the NYT meant the term in the more technical way that the UNDDS and ANSO use it? Especially in the sense that if an action is either a "complex attack" or isn't, there could be no such thing as "one of the most complex attacks."
For example, here is the way I see the incident discussed in the article:
"Taliban insurgents mounted
their most serious attacks in six years of fighting in Afghanistan over the last two days, including a
coordinated assault by at least 10 suicide bombers against one of the largest American military bases in the country, and another by about 100 insurgents who killed 10 elite French paratroopers."
....
"As a result,
this year is on pace to be the deadliest in the Afghan war so far , as the insurgent attacks show
rising zeal and sophistication. The insurgents are employing not only a growing number of suicide and roadside bombs, but are also waging
increasingly well-organized and complex operations using multiple attackers with different types of weapons , NATO officials say."
From the rest of your comment, it doesn't seem like you're relying on the technical definition either, but in your opinion it is not one of the more complex - in the sense of sophisticated - attacks over the past several years. I suppose that's arguable. However, the blogger didn't even bother to put it in that much context, did he?
By the way, it seems the NYT is not alone in reporting that Taliban fighters are using more "complex" tactics:
DoD: Armed Forces Press Release
(The Pentagon seems to think the attack on the French qualifies as a "complex attack" in the technical sense.)
Stars and Stripes
As to whether the NYT reporter is "worthy of the name" or not, I won't judge, but a quick search shows that Ms. Gall's byline appears on over 1300 NYT articles, with nearly 1,000 of them on the war in Afghanistan, dating from November 2001. Before that she was based in the Balkins and wrote for the NYT on the conflicts in that region.
(For some reason the system would not let me post a link to the article archives, but if you click on her hypertext byline, you will be taken there.)
Posted by: skylark at August 20, 2008 12:18 AM (B5Q3+)
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PS to Baba Tim - You didn't go to Servite, did you?
Posted by: skylark at August 20, 2008 12:23 AM (B5Q3+)
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I doubt that if we lost a battle that handedly,without killing a single enemy combatant, the newspapers would describe it as "bold", "complex", "sophisticated", or "coordinated".
ABC called it a
"daring attack on a major American installation"
It's odd that they use such a positive adjective for such buffoonery. Daring? I suppose it was. But not in the way they mean it.
I wonder if the writers even believe the narrative.
-Militants launched a bold, highly complex, sophisticated, coordinated, daring attack on a major American installation, in which they totally failed and got gunned down like fools, without killing a single American. But it was bold, darn it.
Posted by: brando at August 20, 2008 12:51 AM (Gs5OS)
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PS on Carlotta Gall:
Looks like she gets around a fair amount.
PBS interview
Posted by: skylark at August 20, 2008 02:35 AM (B5Q3+)
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skylark - Nice try. An appeal to authority? She's written a lot of articles so she must know something? The attack on the french base was complex at least?
Try reading for comprehension instead of scorecard keeping and you might do better. CY explicitly differentiates between the two attacks. You still haven't said why you believe the attack with the 10 suicide bombers and 15 people standing around with their thumbs up their butts was complex.
Posted by: daleyrocks at August 20, 2008 07:30 AM (i/fLn)
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Have you ever tried herding suicide bombers? Its like trying to herd cats. That's complicated stuff.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 09:22 AM (6L459)
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The complexity of an attack is not really the issue, the fact that the attack utterly failed in it's apparent objective is what should really matter. This is just one more example of the MSM's disgust with the US military. The terms they use tell it all as they give all credit to the Taliban and never mention the US Military in a positive light. It does not show any insight or intelligence on the reporters part, just her bias.
Posted by: AlpacaRob at August 20, 2008 10:08 AM (aMBco)
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In ref to AlpacaRob's post, I'd say we could go a step further: it was their best effort yet, and still failed miserably. I absolutely love it when the Taliban gather in a nice, neat mob so we can gun more of them down before they can do any damage. Thanks for making such an attractive target, boys - keep up the good work.
Posted by: Tim at August 20, 2008 10:33 AM (3Wewy)
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If only they could understand the complex nature of the 4000 American soldiers who have given their lives for freedom, thankyou.
Posted by: biscuiteater at August 20, 2008 12:06 PM (2JF/+)
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I see that multiculturalism has made its way into war reportage.
Posted by: tsmonk at August 20, 2008 12:34 PM (PTFqS)
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The spread was four suicide bombers, no closer than 2,000 yards, and three self inflicted bloody crotches from trigger happy Taleban. The Taleban took the money.
For the next clash replace the three bloody crotches with six unplanned defecations and two martyrs from RPGs loaded backwards.
Posted by: Bel Aire at August 20, 2008 09:21 PM (xU01p)
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daleyrocks-
My comment about the reporter was in response to a commenter who made certain observations about NY Times reporters. He is welcome to make up his mind about her qualifications and so are you. I am certain you will take the time to read a few of her articles before you do, dilligent researcher that you are.
By the way, you have your facts wrong about the incident and about the fighters. It appears that Bob does too.
Long War Journal
But that's not so much the point. Bob took a single qualified sentence in the article - that it was
one of the most complex attacks seen so far in Afghanistan - and parsed and twisted it so he could lecture us on a false issue. At the same time he had some conventional warfare terms he wanted to throw around, no matter how inapplicable they might be to the question. Plus, hey, they got killed! Another irrelevancy.
The question is whether this particular attack qualifies as "one of the most complex seen so far." According to Baba Tim it's debateable. Fair enough, then debate it in the context of what you actually know or are willing to research about the history of the conflict. It seems to me to at least fit within the NATO official's description of attacks that use multiple attackers with different types of weapons (the latter of which, according to Baba Tim, would seem to make it qualify as a "complex attack" in the technical use of the term).
Of course Bob and a some of his commenters don't seem to have a problem inflating the single sentence into a condemnation of liberal media, etc. etc., all the while ignoring the actual point of the article - that Taliban attacks are escalating, and getting more sophisticated and more deadly overall. An assessment which the Pentagon and NATO, among others, share.
They must be making excuses for the other side.
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"Of course Bob and a some of his commenters don't seem to have a problem inflating the single sentence into a condemnation of liberal media, etc. etc., all the while ignoring the actual point of the article"
skidmark - Based on your comments here and their laughable connection to reality (a present vote can not in any way be considered to have the effect of a no vote?), it seems indeed it is your function to cherry pick Bob's sentences or words and attack them rather than focusing on the substance of his posts. If your focus wasn't to merely produce snarky comments on subjects which you are woefully uninformed, people would take you more seriously.
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"skidmark - Based on your comments here and their laughable connection to reality (a present vote can not in any way be considered to have the effect of a no vote?), it seems indeed it is your function to cherry pick Bob's sentences or words and attack them rather than focusing on the substance of his posts. If your focus wasn't to merely produce snarky comments on subjects which you are woefully uninformed, people would take you more seriously."
Well, aren't you the clever one. Am I supposed to come up with an equally juvenile nickname for you?
I suggest you go back and read what I posted in the Obama thread again.
Cherry picking BO's sentences and words? Hello, it was an entire post, premised on his own private interpretation of a single sentence from an article, so he could trash the NYT.
The substance of his post was that, notwithstanding the article's clear statement that the attack was ONE of the most complex seen yet in Afghanistan, the NYT was inflating a "laughably incompetent Taliban rout as a 'complex attack.'"
Aside from the fact that it actually probably did qualify as a "compelx attack" in the technical sense of the term, the rest of the post is almost entirely factually incorrect.
Evidently he thinks all guerrilla maneuvers should fall into the conventional warfare mode to be considered the least bit "competent." Thus, using a few inapplicable terms he's cut and pasted from Wars R Us, he can pronounce the entire incident "laughably incompetent."
This was an incident where SEVEN suicide bombers got to within just over half a mile of a fortified American base. They were discovered "shortly" before they were to make their assault.
They were coordinated enough to use a diversionary tactic like mortar and rocket fire while the bombers made their way to the target.
Their plan was not dependent on heavy armed support or large numbers, and it was not a full on frontal assault. Any stealth mission like that can be taken out by an overwhelming show of force. So what?
But these facts do show us how clueless your favorite blogger is. For instance, he insists they should have tried "flanking attacks" because...well, yeah, they could have surrounded the base. He's incredulous bombers on a stealth mission didn't "manage a straight ahead, mindless assault." Oh and maybe best of all, he sniffs: "No mention of even minimal attempts to camouflage the suicide bombers by disguising them as civilians or base workers or members of the opposite sex." Uhm, does the concept of stealth under cover of darkness escape him completely?
There, I'm pretty sure I've focused on the substance of his post.
Posted by: skylark at August 21, 2008 08:55 PM (B4ZzX)
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skidmark - You seem to have a learning disability of some sort.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda have been employing more complex attacks in Afghanistan this year. That is a fact. The attack on Camp Salerno described by Carlotta Gall was not one of them, which was the point of Bob's post, which has yet to trgister in your brain. He is mocking the NY Times for that description.
The Scotsman described the attack as brazen. There is no mention of complexity in describing the attack at Long War Journal or in the ISAF press release describing how all the attackers got chewed up before they dot within 1000 meters of the base. Complex is a fiction created by the NY Times to describe the attack.
If you find another story describing it that way please feel free to cite it here.
Temember, reading is fundamental, especially for comprehension. You continue to be just a skidmark on this site.
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And so you are reduced not just to calling other commenters puerile names, but to repeating "Is not!" Is NOT !!!"
I'm not sure "reduced" is the right word, though. I don't see where your posts have ever really surpassed that level.
You take care now.
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Left out of prior:
"The attack on Camp Salerno described by Carlotta Gall was not one of them, which was the point of Bob's post, which has yet to trgister in your brain. He is mocking the NY Times for that description."
He just doesn't seem to be able to do it in any accurate way.
But once again...you take care, little buddy.
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skidmark - I believe you are the only commenter I renamed on this thread.
You are also the only commenter on the thread who had difficulty understanding the concept of the post.
Explain to me who has issues again please.
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Just a coincidence that I am the only one who disagrees with the post.
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UNC "Jeep Jihadi" Pleads Guilty
Via
WRAL:
Mohammed Taheri-azar, the man accused of trying to run over students at UNC-Chapel Hill two years ago, pleaded guilty Tuesday morning to nine counts of attempted first-degree murder.
He will be sentenced later this month.
Taheri-azar was accused of driving a Jeep Cherokee through The Pit, a popular student gathering space on campus, in March 2006.
He was charged with nine counts of attempted murder. At the time of the attack, Taheri-azar told police he wanted to injure people in response to the U.S. government's treatment of Muslims abroad.
This is the Pit, the area where Taheri-azar, a UNC graduate, tried to kill his fellow students. In a March 5, 2007 court appearance he stated he "hates all Americans" and "hates all Jews."
Shockingly, the Iranian-born American citizen didn't hate American enough to leave it.
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July 30, 2008
Summer Camp?
That is what Reuter's says
this picture portrays.
The caption reads, "Palestinian youths attend a summer camp organised by the Islamic Jihad movement in Gaza City July 30, 2008."
The Islamic Jihad, of course, is a terrorist group established with the goal of wiping out the Jewish state of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state. Their interests include Qassam rocketry, suicide bombings, and martyr operations.
This isn't a "summer camp" as we would recognize it. This is the modern Hitler Youth.
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Wait, does that mean that Islamic Jihad is a right-wing movement?
I mean, it has to, right?
Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at July 31, 2008 12:54 PM (cntKs)
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Hitler was a socialist, dummy. A leftwinger, through and through. If jihad actually were a rightwing phenomenon we might get some Democrats to take it seriously.
Posted by: megapotamus at August 01, 2008 03:15 PM (LF+qW)
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Sarcasm: Learn to pick up on it.
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July 23, 2008
A Russian "Greenlight" to Attack Iran?
That is one intriguing interpretation of
today's disclosure that Iran would be getting the long range Russian surface-to-air missile system known as the S-300PMU-1 (SA-20), and that the system would be deployable in as soon as six months from their expected September arrival.
The Russians no doubt relish the contortions the West is going through over Iran's nuclear program, but at the same time, their intelligence organizations are telling them that Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons and missile technologies that can also threaten Russian interests.
By selling the Iranians advanced weapons systems and then disclosing their most likely deployment dates, the Russians are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
They've outlined the outside window of Iran's greatest vulnerability to an air assault on its nuclear program and command and control facilities. It only remains to be seen now whether or not American and Israeli leaders will strike with enough force to irreparably destroy key elements of the Iranian nuclear program, or if they will make the deadly mistake of trying to avert a nuclear war "on the cheap."
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Doesn't Russia still have a treaty with Iran authorizing Russia's unilateral intervention in the event of a violation of Iranian soverign territory?
Is a divided Iran
a la Germany 1945-1991 in the offing? The Russians
still want/need a warm water port. Iran has a bunch of coast on the Caspian sea as well as the IO...
Posted by: Gus Bailey at July 23, 2008 01:39 PM (LZarw)
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Well this isn't diffinitive, but: http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/21207
Posted by: Gus Bailey at July 23, 2008 01:41 PM (LZarw)
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The S-300PMU is notable for being capable of ballistic missile defense as well as anti-aircraft roles.
The smart money is on a late-October deployment target - a lot of people are sure the Israelis are going to wait until after the US Presidential elections to attack Iran's nuclear weapons program.
Posted by: cirby at July 23, 2008 02:12 PM (C0p6T)
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I think a better indication of a green light would be the Russians announcing when they will receive payment in full.
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July 16, 2008
While the Media Slept...
...another province, Diwaniyah, was
handed over to Iraqi government control.
This means that for the first time, a democratically-elected Iraqi government is in charge of a majority of the country (10 of 18 provinces). The largest province and former home of the Sunni insurgency, al Anbar, is on the cusp of being handed over as well.
You would think that turning point such as the Iraqis taking over the control of the majority of their country would be a moment that editorial writers, always looking for moments pregnant with symbolism, would gush over.
Alas, Iraq isn't as newsworthy with victory so near at hand (and with the anointed candidate faltering so badly), and so this milestone goes all but unreported.
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Posted by: K T Cat at July 18, 2008 10:20 AM (ML6gQ)
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Do we HAVE to repeat this??? News of this kind coming out of Iraq doesnt get reported because it doesnt do one single thing to help Michelle Obama's children get through dance class or piano lessons or help her pay off the $600 earrings she bought with her share of the national bribe...er, stimulus.
Additionally, good news out of Iraq distracts us from gazing at the Lightworker.
C'mon, people. This is fundamental.
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July 15, 2008
Framing Obama
Matthew Yglesias wants to get into a
framing discussion and attempts to argue than an
ABC poll was unfair to his man-crush/candidate.
Without nailing down the dishonesties in Yglesias' attempts to recast McCain's position, let's get into the specifics of what will be lost by Obama's 16-month withdrawal plan.
Logistically, it is deemed quite improbable, verging on impossible, for U.S. combat forces to perform an orderly withdrawal in 16 months. A withdrawal of personnel is possible, but at the cost of leaving behind hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars in taxpayer-purchased equipment that would have to be repurchased stateside, increasing future government debt, promising us yet another tax increase courtesy of Obama.
A commenter of his (Allan) claims that "Obama supports removing our troops from Iraq in an orderly process," but that is the height of fantasy; those who work in logistics have noted that his plan would promote chaos and unnecessary stresses on the supply chain and limited port facilities that have to process, decontaminate, pack, and ship outbound equipment and supplies.
This is simply the logistical argument, ignoring the dangers of a too-quick handover in provinces where Iraqi forces are still not deemed capable of taking the lead. Considering the stellar progress and trajectory of security gains and government progress in the last year, it is possible that in 16 months that the Iraqi security forces can take the lead in the eight remaining provinces where the U.S. is in charge of security, but it would be foolish and counterproductive to predetermine the removal of the safety net U.S. forces would still provide as Iraqi forces become more competent and confident.
Unless, of course, you have some vested interest in defeat.
Then there is the simple common-sense matter of which troops Obama wants to remove (combat forces). As a Iraqi war soldier or Marine (I forget which) remarked last week, who's going to be left in Obama's Army in Iraq, cooks and truck drivers?
Who is going to protect our remaining troops and positions and backstop the Iraqis if Obama pulls out our combat troops? Supply clerks? Dental hygienists?
Obama's plans for Iraq, like all of his other plans, are formulated with the impulsiveness and lack of concern for the unintended consequences of international affairs we'd expect from a neophyte government official not even one term removed from an inconsequential and lackluster state government stint, and a responsibility-free community organizer job before it.
Like so many things attached to the name Obama, his withdrawal plan for Iraqi is based upon irresponsible promises divorced from what he can actually deliver without causing far more hurt, a truism of his campign that can just as readily be applied to his domestic and foreign policy perscriptions.
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I thought the Dalai Obama was going to formulate his Iraq plan in consultation with commanders on the ground. I haven't seen any evidence of consultation. Why is he announcing a plan in advance of his visit? It seems like more empty rhetoric from an empty suit.
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Posted by: daleyrocks at July 15, 2008 09:45 AM - "I thought the Dalai Obama was going to formulate his Iraq plan in consultation with commanders on the ground. I haven't seen any evidence of consultation. Why is he announcing a plan in advance of his visit? It seems like more empty rhetoric from an empty suit."
Hussien's supporters just wouldn't accept his meeting unconditionally with US military commanders, as this type of treatment is reserved specifically for democratic allies (such as Iranian nutjob - Amadinejad). Nancy Pelosi fully approves, as she gives Amadinejad full credit for the fruits of US soldiers blood sweat and tears - in making the surge a success.
Announcing a plan prior to actually visiting Iraq is just further proof of the Obamessiah's omnipotence, and not part of the empty suit's regular song and dance! Ummm boppa oooo mauh mauh... uh uh uh oh.... Obama lama ding dong! OOoooooo!
Posted by: GL at July 15, 2008 03:24 PM (vpAFg)
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Little known fact:
When George Washington was a boy, he got a new hatchet and was eager to try it out. He went to the prized cherry tree and began whacking. (the tree that is)
When his father discovered the cherry tree’s absence, he asked George, “George, what happened to the prized cherry tree?” To which George replied, “Father, I cannot tell a lie. I chopped down the cherry tree.” To which his father replied, “Then you shall have 10 lashes boy.” To which George replied, “Perhaps I was
inartful in my truth-telling. What I meant to say was that my friend Benedict told me that it was not a cherry tree and it would be a good tree to practice with my new ax. So I chopped it down thinking it was not the prized cherry tree. So in effect, I did not chop down the cherry tree. I’m reshuffling my friends at this time.”
Posted by: Neo at July 15, 2008 04:50 PM (Yozw9)
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And the logistical argument is a good one to use as it isn't an attack on his person, but an attackon his experience and judgment. How you get form here to there (and vice versa) is something very few take into account.
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July 10, 2008
Never Too Late to Spread a Little Fear
You have to give credit where credit is due: the Washington
Post isn't quite ready to surrender to victory in Iraq, and they're not above hyping a desperate bid for relevance by waning Shia militias as a significant tactical adaptation.
U.S. Troops in Iraq Face A Powerful New Weapon by Ernesto Londoño of the Washington Post Foreign Service was a much better article the first time I read it over a month ago in Bill Roggio's far more useful Long War Journal article, which the Post mentions but doesn't link. I can only assume that the Post failed to link Roggio's article because is so much more competently written.
While Londoño seems intent on describing a weapon system that is a an improvement over past improvised devices in describing a weapon that has killed at least 21 people, he buries the fact that 18 of those 21 (16 civilians, two Madhi Army militiamen) were killed as a result of the jury-rigged bombs failing, and detonating in their launchers.
The so-called IRAM is a crude, desperate weapon apparently designed by the Judean People's Front.
I'm not surprised that the Post would try to hype potential bad news in Iraq, but a crude weapon that has killed six times more people on the launching end than the receiving end seems more ripe for mocking than fear.
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Nonsense! It was designed by the People's Front of Judea!
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Posted by: Stan at July 10, 2008 01:08 PM (3Wewy)
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It's a home-made katyusha, and those have been around for about 65 years.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at July 10, 2008 02:43 PM (O9Cc8)
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Something like this was used against US Forces in Japan in the mid 1980's, fired against Yokota AFB while we were stationed there, but with a single rocket. The launch truck was burned out to destroy identification/evidence. I've got to say, the Japanese Red Army Faction did a better job of design...the rocket flew right down the airfield and "detonated" (not much warhead, they primarily wanted to show what they could have done) between the runway and a housing area....where we lived.
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July 09, 2008
Iraqi Government Considers Timetable for U.S. Withdrawal
They aren't quite ready for coalition forces to leave just yet, but the dramatic gains in terms of security and political successes now have the Iraqi government suggesting a
possible U.S. withdrawal.
The Iraqis are confident in their ability to handle their own affairs, and I can certainly understand them wanting Iraq fully back in Iraqi hands. They're hoping for a pull-out in the 2011-13 timeframe and would like to try to establish a deadline based upon "conditions and circumstances" on the ground.
Considering the present situation in Iraq, I certainly think that a pullout in that 3-5 year window is certainly possible, though I can understand why some in Washington may be leery committing to date-based withdrawal schedule, just as I can understand why Iraqis would like to have a specific date to look forward to. As the Iraqi government and coalition forces negotiate, perhaps the best option—and to my mind, the most logical—would be a compromise agreement, that says by X date, Y forces should withdraw if Z conditions have been met, and if not by that date, as soon as those conditions are met.
This would give Iraqis not just a date to look forward to, but give them more incentive to make sure that security and political needs of their citizens are being addressed.
What would be hilarious in watching these developments—if it wasn't so pathetic—are progressive Democrats crowing about this recent decision by Iraqi officials, insisting that a timeline for withdrawal is exactly what they've been asking for all along.
Not so fast.
Some progressives have been pushing for a withdrawal since before the first bomb dropped on Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Some are genuinely opposed to the idea of all wars for any reason, some were opposed to a war launched for reasons they disagreed with by a government they disagreed with, and some fickle souls began pushing for withdrawal only once the conflict became more bloody, expensive, and protracted than they assumed it would be.
However they got to that position, they got there by the worst days of the war in 2006, when Sunni and Shia militias were locked in a deadly sectarian conflict verging on open civil war, and coalition forces were taking heavy casualties. At the time John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and other Congressional Democrats were calling the loudest for a timeline for withdrawing American forces in Iraq, the safety and security of the Iraqi people and the success of their nation was the last thing on their minds.
Democrats wanted American troops pulled out of Iraq as soon as logistically possible, without preconditions, even if it plunged that nation into open an civil war that could cost tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, even if such a headlong withdrawal led to genocide, even if such a morally bankrupt decision led to a widespread regional war.
It was and is a craven, reprehensible act of cowardice, mirroring the shameful behavior of the Copperhead Democrats 140 years earlier who wanted to abandon Blacks to slavery in the South to sue for peace in the U.S. Civil War.
The Copperheads of today's Democratic Party color themselves "progressives" for championing the abandonment of a group of people (slightly lighter in skin tone than the last time) to a fate potentially as bad or worse than the slaves of antebellum, and make no mistake: the modern Copperheads care no more about "liberty and justice for all" than did their forebearers.
Then as now, it was about their selfish personal desires, hopes of amassing political power, and disdain for a stubborn Republican President. Then as now, they could rely upon their friends in the media to carry forth a call for appeasement and abandonment.
But the situation now in Iraq is far different now than it was when progressive Democrats began advocating the abandonment Iraqi civilians to a bloody fate.
Now, it is an increasingly competent and confident Iraqi government itself that builds hope of a U.S. withdrawal, based upon their growing strength and the continuing vanquishment of terrorists, criminal militias, and common gangs.
A timeline for withdrawal based upon Iraqi and coalition successes is to be commended as a beacon of hope for a brighter future for a new and sovereign democracy in the Middle East, just as the timeline of abandonment and defeat advocated by progressive Democrats should be regarded by history as a mark of shame.
Update: A bit dog barks.
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There is not a coherent point in this rambling mess of retardation.
Posted by: BobP at July 09, 2008 03:17 PM (C00yi)
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Bob, what a stellar observation.....
The Democrats have been pressing for a withdrawal in defeat since Day 0. The idea of coalition forces leaving Iraq in relative peace is anathema to them. It's all over the world. They've been shouting it from the rooftops for 5+ years now.
Posted by: Techie at July 09, 2008 03:44 PM (Ddo8X)
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If Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms were around back then, they would have been Copperhead Democrats. So in truth they were more akin to today's Republicans than Democrats (at least where Civil Rights is concerned).
Also, the other big difference- the group being slighted were American citizens (somewhat), not citizens in another country.
By the way, since when do conservatives care what happens to non-Americans?
Posted by: jGregg at July 09, 2008 03:45 PM (kQZ6Y)
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BobP was right. There wasn't a coherent point in HIS (BobP's) rambling mess of retardation. Now, looking at the blogpost, I see many coherent points in a well-structured post of elucidation. -cp
Posted by: cold pizza at July 09, 2008 03:49 PM (VOA2U)
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If I recall correctly, Republicans pushed a 50+ year long Cold War to prevent the world from falling under the shackles of Communism. Democrats used to believe in that too.
"Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah—to "undo the heavy burdens ... and to let the oppressed go free.""
JFK- Inaugural Address, 1961
Posted by: Techie at July 09, 2008 03:49 PM (Ddo8X)
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"My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."
- ibid
Posted by: Techie at July 09, 2008 03:50 PM (Ddo8X)
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jGregg-
I think what the Confederate Yankee is arguing is that America should have a large military presence in places like Darfur and Burma. Is that right?
Posted by: Michael at July 09, 2008 04:05 PM (x9tVU)
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Personally, I do think we should intervene in Darfur and Burma. Normally, I would say "the West" should, but America is the sole advanced Western power with a functioning military. France and Germany certainly couldn't do it.
Or, we could just let them rot like Rwanda. Don't want to be "imperialistic", don't we?
Posted by: Techie at July 09, 2008 04:12 PM (Ddo8X)
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I see that, as usual, lefties are incapable of comprehending logic. Must be because they so seldom use it themselves.
Posted by: C-C-G at July 09, 2008 05:29 PM (n8vfc)
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The retardation of the right knows no bounds.
Posted by: Yankee Confederate at July 10, 2008 09:17 AM (8ok1j)
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Welcome back, Nunaim. :p
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The Democrats have been pressing for a withdrawal in defeat since Day 0.
Some Democrats (not nearly enough, but that's another matter) said it was a bad idea from the start. The reasoning was weak and the threat was non-existent. Meanwhile, it took focus and forces away from Afghanistan, where there was a threat.
The idea of coalition forces leaving Iraq in relative peace is anathema to them.
? I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. Like the host, Iraqis themselves want us to leave. They've endured as much peace from America, one thinks, as they can stand.
It's all over the world. They've been shouting it from the rooftops for 5+ years now.
This is just hysterical. "Yeah, those loser liberals complaining that after a mere 5 years of death, destruction and political stalemate -- all while the US economy goes to shit they still think we should leave. Losers."
Sure, only 60 or so Iraqis were blown up yesterday and hundreds more injured and thousands more scared shitless and millions more wondering if they'll ever be able to live in their own house again and yeah, to get to this stage has only taken longer than World War Two, but, um, what's your point again?
If I recall correctly, Republicans pushed a 50+ year long Cold War to prevent the world from falling under the shackles of Communism. Democrats used to believe in that too.
The staggering amount of ignorance and presumption bottled into that nugget is breathtaking.
1. Republicans didn't "push" the Cold War. Many wanted a very, very HOT war with the Commies, some wanted to nuke Russia, others wanted to invade China. Then, later, sought to nuke Vietnam.
2. The Cold War was basically caused by a strategy of containment developed by a Democrat (George Kennan, under Dean Acheson in the Truman Administration), backed by Republican realists and "fought" by an arms race proposed by every single post-war President and funded by a Democratic Congress.
3. What the fuck does Communism or a Cold War have to do with occupying and dying in Iraq?
4. But the situation now in Iraq is far different now than it was when progressive Democrats began advocating the abandonment Iraqi civilians to a bloody fate.
It's possibly better than it was at any time post invasion -- possibly -- but by your own definition of giving a shit about Iraqi civilians, it was better for them before "Shock and Awe". Really.
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Three gunmen
ambushed Turkish police outside the U.S. consulate in Instanbul, Turkey today, in an attack that left all three attackers and three Turkish police officers dead, but not before the police killed their assailants.
The attack was carried out with handguns and a pump shotgun, indicating this was not the work of an organized terrorist organization such as al Qaeda or Hezbollah. These groups have a well-documented history of using large vehicle-borne explosives to carry out attacks against fortified positions such as embassies and consulates. Using such short-range weaponry in such a poorly executed and apparently ad hoc assault, the attack had virtually no chance of success, and no one was apparently injured inside the consulate.
A fourth man seen with the three attackers never left a gray car seen at a nearby carwash moments before the ambush, and escaped after his compatriots were killed.
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While true this could just be an ad-hoc attack, what is the possibility that they were using this attack to gauge the response times of various emergency response and security teams? They could have observers prepositioned and this would give them an idea of how US security detachments would react if they didn't have that information already.
Not trying to make a mountain of a molehill - recon by fire like this only serves to heighten security and may be detrimental to follow up ops.
Posted by: Dan Irving at July 09, 2008 08:29 AM (zw8QA)
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We really have to applaud the Turkish police on this one, they are after all the ones responsible for protecting the Embassy.
Not only did the Turkish police officers due their duty in protecting the Embassy three of them gave their lives during the process.
No personnel inside the Embassy were hurt.
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July 08, 2008
Map Quest
"...a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing."
Such were the famous words of Shakespeare's MacBeth, though they apply equally well to empty Iranian threats against U.S. Naval vessels in the Persian Gulf in case of conflict between our nations.
The simple fact of the matter is that should tensions escalate, U.S. capital ships have no need to be in the Persian Gulf to control the Iranian shoreline and the Straits of Hormuz.
The image above, pulled from Google Maps, shows, small body of water on the left is the Persian Gulf. The large body on the right is the Gulf of Oman, outlet to the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean (larger map).
U.S. carriers, amphibious assault ships, and larger surface ships can easily leave the Persian Gulf via the Straits of Hormuz if a strike on Iran is imminent, far removing them from the range of Iranian surface ships, aircraft, and radar stations. This negates the threat of Iranian anti-ship missiles, and turns the threat of blindly-fired ballistic missiles into irrelevancies splashing down in empty seas.
Iran would retain the ability to strike Israel, and could no doubt stir up trouble in Iraq via it's terror cells there, or even an open but suicidal direct assault against American forces in Iraq and elsewhere on land throughout the Gulf region, but the threats of a Iranian counterstrike against U.S. Naval forces is little more than bluster.
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The quote is from Hamlet when he was contemplating suicide.
My favorite quote from MacBeth was near the end when he says "Oh, those who lie like truth."
Posted by: Merv Benson at July 08, 2008 11:02 AM (HKB1I)
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U.S. carriers, amphibious assault ships, and larger surface ships can easily leave the Persian Gulf via the Straits of Hormuz if a strike on Iran is imminent
Unfortunately, Iran is not Helen Keller, nor are they complete idiots. Any unusual exodus will not go unnoticed.
By now they've certainly developed a profile of what a "normal" US disposition is. Any significant downward deviation is likely to provoke preemptive strikes and mine laying activity against any shipping activity in the strait.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 08, 2008 11:13 AM (Hxw+V)
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I doubt Bush or the Israelis will attach ..Shiites believe the reappearance of the 12th Imam will bring justice and peace to the world by establishing Islam throughout the world. They believe he will reappear when the world has fallen into chaos. It is believed the chaos will start in Afghanistan and then move into Iraq, where there will be blood and destruction everywhere (already in the works) and from there to the world with burning dark clouds (nuclear war). The 12th Imam will then come to
destroy the “Dajjal,” the False Messiah, free the world from oppression and aggression, and then bring justice where it will be heaven on earth for many years to come. It is said Jesus will reappear at the same time and fight alongside Mahdi.
If I read this right, the
Iranians predict Obama, the “Dajjal” (AKA the False Messiah), will win, but will be destroyed by Mahdi, the 12th imam.
No wonder that Obama, the “Dajjal”, is so big on “service”. Charlie Rangel may finally get that draft he has been trying to get for years now.
So much for peace in our time.
Posted by: Neo at July 08, 2008 12:01 PM (Yozw9)
Posted by: Education Guy at July 08, 2008 02:21 PM (TBf8o)
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So, if our ships start to leave the Gulf, the Iranians are going to fire on them?
That's not very smart of them.....
Posted by: Techie at July 08, 2008 04:22 PM (Ddo8X)
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SEYTON
The queen, my lord, is dead.
MACBETH
She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Macbeth
Act V, Scene V
Posted by: Techie at July 08, 2008 04:24 PM (Ddo8X)
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*Still* ignoring the other story of the day? The one that goes something like
"Iraq insists on withdrawal timetable" and is followed-up by,
"US rejects Iraqi demand for troops' withdrawal timeline" ?
So much for your take on the current situation in Iraq, with your huffing and puffing about the 'defeatists' back home who ignore facts (sic) like "Al Anbar province in Iraq, once described as all but lost, will become the tenth Iraqi province handed over to Iraqi government control" (CY, "A Sad Day for Copperheads"). Except that "control" ≠ "sovereignty".
Posted by: j at July 08, 2008 04:56 PM (Lo7Nc)
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I just read somewhere that the US has placed a carrier in the gulf of oman instead of the persian gulf. Attack imminent?
Posted by: davod at July 08, 2008 05:07 PM (llh3A)
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davod,
I wouldn't think so. I think they're moving that one to support Afghan ops.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 08, 2008 05:15 PM (HcgFD)
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awww...my posts too real for you?
Posted by: j at July 08, 2008 05:29 PM (Lo7Nc)
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That aside, the bluster is all yours, CY, and betrays your ignorance of why the US simply
wouldn't "leave the Persian Gulf via the Straits of Hormuz if a strike on Iran is imminent":
"[According to] Amy Myers Jaffe, oil geopolitics analyst for the James A. Baker III Institute and Associate Director of the Rice University Energy Program...the United States has pledged to intervene militarily should any of the Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia, be threatened by another state and the fear of disruption to the oil supply become heightened. This, in turn, led to the pre-positioning of U.S. Navy vessels and equipment in and around the Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean from the late 1970s through today, and at times led to the direct intervention of American forces, most notably during the 1991 Gulf War.
...
"Indeed, protecting the Persian GulfÂ’s oil installations has been an active mission of the U.S. Central Command naval forces as well as coalition forces maritime security operations (MSO) in the region. In a September 19 [2007] interview with the Washington Times, Vice Admiral Kevin J. Cosgriff, the commander of the U.S. Fifth Fleet, said, 'Security in that region writ large, but especially maritime security, is the foundation for regional stability, regional prosperity, and arguably a larger global economic stability, if you think in terms of just safeguarding the free flow of oil and other energy.'"
Link
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So, if our ships start to leave the Gulf, the Iranians are going to fire on them?
If they believe those ships leaving is prelude to an attack, they'd be foolish to not fire on them and sink other commercial shipping in the strait.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 08, 2008 06:15 PM (Hxw+V)
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Like Iran firing on our navy for LEAVING the Gulf wouldn't prompt a 400+ House vote for a declaration of war?
Its a no-win situation for the mullahs.
Posted by: Techie at July 08, 2008 06:37 PM (Ddo8X)
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"If they believe those ships leaving is prelude to an attack, they'd be foolish to not fire on them and
attempt to sink other commercial shipping in the strait."
There . . . fixed it for you.
If the Iranians attempted to attack American -- and now other -- shipping in the straits they would get their heads handed to them. Someone else has already referenced Operation Preying Mantis. Although it has been two decades since then, I doubt the Iranians have forgotten it.
If they have, we will provide a remedial eductation.
And if they did make the attempt, it would solve a
lot of problems. The Iranians know it, too. So they won't even try until January 21, 2009, and then only if John McCain is not President.
But they will bluster. Boy will they bluster. They will even fool some of the more gullible with their bluster, too.
Posted by: Mark L at July 09, 2008 08:22 AM (2X4q0)
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The Nour Rocket has a range of 200km and can apparently now be mounted to helicopters, extending their range even farther. From the map you supply that seems more than enough to cover the entire Gulf of Oman and even extend a tiny bit out into the Indian ocean proper.
Of course, their real threat is to distribute these and similar missiles to terrorist/militant groups around the world who can take pit shots at any US naval vessels who get close to their shores. I personally have always believed that was the threat behind Hezbollah's use of them in 2006.
Posted by: libarbarian at July 09, 2008 03:59 PM (tCYT+)
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libarbarian,
The problem with the Noor (a supposed variant of the
Chinese C-802) is that the launching helicopter has to get to within 200 KM -- 125 miles -- of U.S. ships to launch an attack. Considering the U.S.'s unquestioned air superiority and Iran's antiquated Air Force, I think that is rather unlikely.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 09, 2008 04:14 PM (HcgFD)
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CY,
Yes, but it has to be both seen and identified as hostile - not just Iranian but as having hostile intent. The latter depends on several factors including the amount of non-hostile air traffic around into which an attacking copter could try to blend.
I believe during the Iran-Iraq war one of our ships got hit by an Iraqi sunburst missile. The ship saw the plane on radar but didn't respond because it turned around at a "safe" distance - we didn't see it had fired a missile until right before it plowed into the ship. Hell, they might just throw more at us than we can shoot down in time.
Even if we won the total exchange, sinking a single US capital ship would be a big deal. Besides the effect it would have on the Navy brass, almost NOTHING will do more to "embolden" people to buck the US than to see a US capital ship be destroyed. I think it would be worse than 9/11 for the US reputation because that was a surprise terrorist attack on an undefended civilian target whereas sinking a US capital ship, however, would be taking down a potent symbol of US military power. Simply establishing that it can be done (for cost much less than the ship itself) would prove the concept to other nations and probably inspire other nations to imitate it.
I'm not an expert in this and I well know our advantages, but I never felt comfortable listening to people sit around talking about how we would whoop so-and-so's ass, especially when its accompanied by references to fights from 20 years ago without any discussion of how the other party adapted their arsenal and doctrine in the intervening decades.
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". . .when have we ever ran away from a fight?"
Ooh! Ooh! I know! When Carter and Clinton were President.
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June 27, 2008
We Must Still be Losing
Tell the Democrats we're running out of people to which we can surrender.
Abu Khalaf (a pseudonym) was the top al Qaeda leader in Mosul, al Qaeda's last reputed stronghold in Iraq, until American soldiers shot him full of holes. Further south, al Sadr's Madhi Army may be falling apart, with perhaps as few as 150 military members.
So, will someone please bring me up to speed on Barack Obama's position this hour? Is he still insisting that it is 2006 in Iraq, that the situation is untenable, and that the best thing we can do is withdraw all our forces in an expensive, resource-abandoning retreat that many experts suspect could trigger a regional war that makes today's gas prices look like a bargain and trigger a worldwide depression?
I ask, because it's rather difficult to keep up with his positions these days as he continues to throw his principles, campaign promises, friends, mentors, and supporters under the proverbial bus to bow at the alter of political expediency.
I kid, of course.
I don't seriously think Obama will change his position on Iraq being lost, as that is the only viable issue of his campaign once you eliminate his Carteresque economic schemes, head-in-the-sand energy policy, his Clintonian heathcare plan, and his beautifully empty platitudes. What he and his allies will try to do is attempt to redefine losing and winning, and try to cast obvious developing successes as defeats. If he can't successfully redefine success into failure, Barack Obama is finished as a viable candidate.
Update: Dr. Krauthammer is equally unimpressed with Obama's constantly shifting positions, and the media's unwillingness to challenge him.
It's an odd relationship Obama has with journalists. He treats them with the arrogant disdain of last night's 2:00 AM hookup, and still they pine over him, happily used, as they're shown the door.
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'...it's rather difficult to keep up with his positions these days as he continues to throw his principles, campaign promises, friends, mentors, and supporters under the proverbial bus to bow at the alter of political expediency.'
Please would you stop talking about your fearless leader GWB, IN THIS TONE!
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 27, 2008 09:23 AM (HeqsW)
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How to Think Like Bob Owens:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/27/AR2006022700995.html
No idiot, just likes things boiled down to a simple 'mash'.
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 27, 2008 09:44 AM (HeqsW)
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Give him time .. Obama will Hope and Change
Posted by: Neo at June 27, 2008 10:05 AM (Yozw9)
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Interestingly enough, I accepted the invitation to take a phone survey that had to be taken by a Democratic challenger to my district's House incumbent (Ohio-Jean Schmidt).
What I couldn't get over was the incredible slant that the responses took when it came to Iraq. The one that has stayed with me was, when asked about what the representative's priorities should be, one of the choices I was given was "to clean up the mess in Iraq."
It wasn't the only question with alternatives phrased in the same or a similar fashion. Come hell or high water, some or all of these Democrats are intent on running on losing the Iraq war.
The Democrats got a script in 2006 for Iraq and a script for energy in 1980--and they ain't letting go of either. And I say have at it. Quibble all you want with McCain, but if we can just get through 2008, I think Republicans/conservatives have a lot of good young people in the pipeline.
With the Democratic Congress enacting a lending-industry bailout that suffers from extraordinary conflicts of interest involving Senator Dodd, I can possibly see where the Democrats lose the presidential election and also blow their chance at big victories in down-ticket races. It's kind of like watching the Keystone Kops run for election. Are they really THIS stupid?
Posted by: SAM at June 27, 2008 10:39 AM (I4yBD)
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Actually, BrotherBoneHead, GWB's main problem is that he stays loyal to people long _after_ he should have tossed them under a steamroller.
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Posted by: David M at June 27, 2008 11:54 AM (gIAM9)
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"It's an odd relationship Obama has with journalists. He treats them with the arrogant disdain of last night's 2:00 AM hookup, and still they pine over him, happily used, as they're shown the door."
And this surprises you? Experience will teach you that insecurity trumps all, and they'll keep coming back for more, be it journalists or a significant portion of women.
John
Posted by: Sgt. York at June 27, 2008 12:23 PM (u3pgy)
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I'm gonna miss W. He really is the opposite of Obama - he was smart enough to go to Yale and Harvard and learn as little as possible there.
The deep problems with Yale and Harvard are evidenced both by the tone and content of this article:
http://www.theamericanscholar.org/su08/elite-deresiewicz.html
I think you'll find that there's a deep sense that certain people think their very being graces the world.
W. actually is aware that power means responsibility, that it isn't a game to keep getting more power or make people feel like you're doing a good job all the time. Power isn't an entitlement.
So yeah, we're winning in Iraq, and there should be credit given, esp. given how "militaristic" our President is depicted as. If you're gonna blame him for everything that goes wrong, then he has to be given credit for what goes right, esp. when things he's indirectly responsible for are used to blame him.
I have a serious problem voting for Senator Obama, because I have doubts about his maturity simply. He looks to me like someone that really believes politics is about being the most popular kid in school. He doesn't seem aware that the second you get the job, the Executive Branch controls you for the most part, not the other way around.
Note to self:
there was a President who did know how to be prudent, but good luck getting the Right in this libertarian age where we believe slaves can be freed without a shot fired to accept the full consequences of serious leadership.
The problem is us, the media only tells us what we want to hear. We created the environment where Senator Obama can thrive, we created the environment where President Bush is put down for any exercise of power. Until we change, we're not going to hear the truth fully. We can't even accept we're winning a war, or that terrorism is bad. Elite education isn't just the crafting of a class; it's a statement of what we feel is best in life.
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June 24, 2008
A Sad Day for Copperheads
You won't easily find it on
Fox News or
CNN or
Google News, but somewhere, between the shocking news that Don Imus might have a
race-relations problem and the ground-breaking development that
Palestinians have engaged in self-defeating random violence, most of us seemed to miss that a dream is more than halfway towards completion.
Al Anbar province in Iraq, once described as all but lost, will become the tenth Iraqi province handed over to Iraqi government control:
The U.S. military will transfer control of security in Anbar Province to Iraqi forces this week, the governor of the region said Monday, a remarkable turnaround given that the region was considered lost to insurgents less than two years ago.
Anbar will be the 10th of 18 provinces in Iraq to return security matters to Iraqi control since the U.S.-led invasion of 2003, but it will be the first Sunni Arab region to do so.
Mamun Sami Rasheed, governor of Anbar Province, said the handover ceremony would take place Saturday. "We have been dreaming of this event since 2003," he said.
With ten provinces down and eight to go, we are passing a milestone of sorts. More than half of the country will be under the control of a democratically-elected Iraqi government, the first freely-elected Arab government in modern history. You would think that Democrats would be thrilled at this step towards freedom, as the turnover also means we are one small step closer to a withdrawal from Iraq, which they claim to be their goal.
Barack Obama isn't trumpeting the good news, however. Left-leaning blogs also appear to be silent on the issue, or nearly so, if Memeorandum is a guide. Instead, liberal bloggers there seem more interested in reacting to Glenn Greenwald's latest long-winded rant about FISA (while ignoring Greenwald's own history of wiretapping, of course).
Al Anbar? It doesn't seem to exist.
With ever passing day that Iraq inches towards success or takes a dramatic leap, it becomes ever more apparent that many Democrats in this country, be they members of the news media, the new media, elected officials, or the activist left, don't just want the United States out of Iraq. They want us cast out or withdrawn in defeat.
The al Anbar handover is symbolic in nature as well as practical, and good news for two Democratic nations. Sadly Democratic leaders cannot join in sharing the good news, because what is good for the United States and what is good for the citizens of Iraq is not good for Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi, or Barack Obama.
How sad this day must be for Democrats that are more loyal to their nation than the spite-based political ideology of their fellow travelers.
Update: Peter Wehner, writing at NRO's The Corner, concludes:
Iraq has gone from broken to fragile and slowly mending. Even now, though, leading Democrats seem wholly uninterested in the outcome in Iraq; all they care about is withdrawing American troops. It is a commitment they hold with ideological and theological intensity – and if they are ever allowed to act on their convictions, misery and death and defeat would follow.
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This is progress. Not stagnation. Not mired in a quagmire. Not caught in the middle of a civil war.
Tis a sad day when the Democrats feel they can benefit more from their country losing a war than they can from their country winning a war.
They are Democrats first and somewhere down the list, they are possibly Americans.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at June 24, 2008 02:22 PM (EsOdX)
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They are the NeoCom wing of the Democrat Party and represent as much as 1/3 of the D votes. We can only hope that the good democrats of classical Liberal mind will wake up and leave this horrible anti freedom party that has been taken over by the NeoCom anti americans.
Posted by: Moultrie at June 24, 2008 02:45 PM (0Pp69)
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Since The Supreme Court seems intent on taking over the battlefield, and making the conduct of this war a legal quagmire, at what point will Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. haul the traitorous Democrats before an Inquisiton of Treachery? The Democrats deserve to be physically and fiscally punished for their abandonment and demoralization of American military personnel and their families in a time of war. Shame be upon them all. Let it be so, Lord.
Posted by: twolaneflash at June 24, 2008 05:02 PM (05dZx)
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It would seem to me that the news peg here would be when power is actually transfered over to the Iraqis this Saturday, not the fact that there was an announcement of the fact. If I were an editor, I'd wait until Saturday to run a story because then there would be some eye-catching photos from the ceremony to run with the story. (Right now, there's no media to run with the article.)
We'll see if the story runs on Saturday. Personally, my guess is that they'll be a smattering of articles then, but they'll all be buried deep in the paper or a couple clicks from the various sites' main page. Nothing on the front page...
Posted by: Juan Manuel de Rosas at June 24, 2008 05:49 PM (IVQmE)
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Juan, it's entirely possible that there may not be any ceremony. Such an event would be a prime target for the terrorists. It'll probably happen very quietly without a lot of pomp and circumstance.
No ceremony, no nice pics for the papers. I suspect that even if there is a story, it'll be buried on page G97 or something like that.
Posted by: C-C-G at June 24, 2008 07:41 PM (Hc4y8)
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What seems to have happened in Iraq in the last few months is that the Iraqi mainstream has finally done some liberating of itself. With the help of the troop surge ordered by President Bush, the mainstream Sunni tribes have liberated themselves from the grip of Al Qaeda in their provinces. And the Shiite mainstream — represented by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the Iraqi Army — liberated Basra, Amara and Sadr City in Baghdad from both Mahdi Army militiamen and pro-Iranian death squads.
The many voices that rose in favor of the invasion, that have now claimed some sort of buyerÂ’s remorse or insanity in the aftermath, have learned nothing. ItÂ’s easy to be a wimp.
When Bush started the adventure into Afghanistan (before Iraq), the first thing that the local partners in the region asked is whether America was in this for the duration, or would they be left with an American mess to clean up. Clearly, Bush said what he meant and meant what he said.
FriedmanÂ’s column can be read to say that finally, in the last year or so, the Iraqis believe Bush meant it too. Beleived it enough to take on UBLÂ’s al Qaeda that planned to make Fallujah the capitol of the caliphate. Believed it enough to take on their Shia brothers from Iran. Believed it when the Democratic leadership in the Congress showed none.
Posted by: Neo at June 25, 2008 11:55 AM (Yozw9)
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"More than half of the country will be under the control of a democratically-elected Iraqi government, the first freely-elected Arab government in modern history."
Does
this this sound anything like a sovereign nation to you?:
5o American bases;
complete legal immunity from Iraqi law for US military/contractors;
right to launch deadly attacks anytime, anywhere in the country;
right to launch attacks on other nations from Iraq;
total control of Iraqi airspace; etc.; etc.
Small wonder no one believes 'the good news' when it comes.
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The Real "Dead-Enders"
It has been fascinating—and often more than a little infuriating—to watch the anti-Administration wing of the anti-war movement over the past year.
I'd like to first make that distinction clear: there are those who are against the concept of warfare to resolve conflicts, and those that are against this war in specific because they have an acute loathing for their domestic political opposition, led by the current President. Make no mistake: so many of those who presently claim to be anti-war now would change their position on military intervention in an heartbeat if it meant intervening in Darfur or (_fill_in_the_blank_), if it satisfied their political desires and could be painted as a "humanitarian" mission.
Those politically-motivated progressives that see anti-war sentiment as little more than a way to grab power via the ballot box have been most aggravating and occasionally amusing. They saw that an unpopular and protracted war was a way to market themselves to pick up seats in Congress in 2004 and 2006, and hoped perhaps they could ride anti-war sentiment to the White House in 2008.
They rallied behind an eloquent dove of a candidate who has repeatedly promised America to withdrawal U.S. forces on a rigid 16-month timetable, regardless of condition on the ground or the effect it would have on the Iraqi people or on the stability of the region.
That timetable was predicated upon conditions on the ground in Iraq in 2006, when violence was spiraling out of control, and it seemed all but assured that Iraq would become a failed state. Obviously, a lot has changed in the time since Barack Obama predicated his campaign on achieving defeat, and in the past year in particular.
Violence dropped as U.S. and Iraqi forces moved off-base and into the communities, and as the communities themselves began rejecting insurgents, terrorists, gangs, and rogue militias. The Iraqi Parliament, once almost as ineffective as our current Congress, has passed important reconciliation legislation, including an amnesty law that has already led to hundreds of captured insurgents, including Associated Press personnel, to be set free.
Though leading Democrats like Harry Reid still insist that the war is lost, and the Speaker of the House insists that any progress must be due to Iran's moderating influence (and not the success of American and Iraqi forces in killing those carrying out those "moderating Iranian influences"
it has become obvious to most of the world that the Iraqi experiment just might work and is well worth pursuing.
Austin Bay noted this morning that freshman Senator Hopeandchange may be trying to distance himself from his adopted policy of purposeful defeat (h/t: Instapundit):
Obama still touts his pull-out — sort of, occasionally, okay, less occasionally. Obama, like his cohort of supporters, is politically committed to defeat. Obama will now rely on rhetoric to assauge the DailyKos-crowd and obscure his shift on Iraq. He will change his position– and Samantha Power prepared the way several months ago in her ill-fated BBC interview this past spring. Obama thinks he can get away with it: he just backed out of public financing.
The NY Times on the deal before the vote. And Fox.
The real rubes in this election wonÂ’t be the rural Midwesterners Obama slandered, the ones who cling to their guns and religon. It will be the gray-haired profs with ponytails, clinging to their cannabis and liturgy of defeat.
When Obama quietly slinks aways from his signature issue and the anti-Bush wing of the anti-war movement loses their defeat-at-any-cost pledgemaster, what will become of the anti-war progressive fringe?
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Posted by: David M at June 20, 2008 10:17 AM (gIAM9)
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That is the problem with putting all your hopes in "The One." The "progressives" are going to end up hating him as much as the conservatives will, I suspect.
Posted by: Grey Fox at June 20, 2008 11:49 AM (miQY+)
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You're crazy. The Anti-Bush wing of the anti-war movement is by far the dominant faction, and when Obama says "perhaps we could stay (in Iraq) a Bit longer", they'll consider it a Beatitude from the Messiah. That it is 180 degrees opposite of the policy they previously espoused and perfectly in line with Bush's policy will not bother them at all so long as it increases Obama's chance at the presidency.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at June 20, 2008 12:08 PM (+45yf)
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I'm sort of with Mark, here. The vast majority of the war, they care about power.
I further contend that a large portion of those who were against the war were against the way we were fighting it in 2005-2006 and up to the surge. I served during the Southeast Asian War Games and have an aversion to having our troops sent a bajillion miles from home and letting the Gomers shoot at them while having safe havens across a border. I do not understand why there is one brick standing on another in Syria and Iran.
Posted by: Peter at June 20, 2008 12:39 PM (I4yBD)
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I disagree, Mark. If Iraq plays out well, it demolishes the anti-war message they've been pushing for years, and it means history will look kindly on George Bush. That is simply not acceptable. Iraq must crash into a flaming heap, Iran must be ascendant, and America must leave with its tail between its legs and its head hung low.
Nothing less will do. Note that they already hate Pelosi. They will hate Obama when they realize they've been duped
again.
Posted by: Pablo at June 20, 2008 01:16 PM (yTndK)
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Pablo,
It must be a great burden to be able to divine what others are thinking. It's almost like being Superman. How do you bear the responsibility?
The problem is, Iran is on the ascendant. As proof, check out how their whacko president was greeted in Baghdad:
"The Shiite-led Iraqi government rolled out the red carpet, literally, for Ahmadinejad as he became the first Iranian president to visit Iraq, a country that was a bitter enemy when Saddam Hussein's Sunni government was in power."
And this thanks to the inept Bush administration. And funny, as someone who is against this war, this does not make me happy at all. Huh. So you were wrong about that. Funny.
That our president has been such a complete and utter disaster makes few people I know happy. You must be hanging out a very strange, very unAmerican crowd.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at June 20, 2008 10:27 PM (Bx4FB)
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David,
I suspect that you missed the mass anti Iran demonstrations that accompanied Amadinnerjackets visit. You have also not noted the 2million signature petition assembled by angry Iraqis demanding Iran stop funding terrorism. I guess you also failed to note the Iraqi armies recent shredding of the Iranian militias in Sadr city, Basra, and Amara.
That selective quoting will mess you up you every time.
Posted by: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at June 20, 2008 11:07 PM (DqXz5)
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grrrrrrrr,
That the official government of Iraq, the people you and I spend our tax money to protect, welcomed the president of Iran with military bands and flowers from school children, when our president has to fly in under cover of secrecy, tells me more than petitions and demonstrations.
I don't know about you, but that fish stinks. It stinks real bad.
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Oh, and grrrrrrrr, if you want to quote petitions and such, you might consider that 71% of Iraqis "say they would like the Iraqi government to ask for US-led forces to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less."
I know, it's just a poll, but it's a place to begin the debate.
And please, don't assume you know what my position is, just because I'm against this war. I'll be the first to admit it's a lot more complicated than pro and con.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at June 20, 2008 11:25 PM (Bx4FB)
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[[And please, don't assume you know what my position is, just because I'm against this war. I'll be the first to admit it's a lot more complicated than pro and con.]]
errrrrrr, OK. (Dont get your panties in a bunch).
Posted by: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at June 21, 2008 12:05 AM (DqXz5)
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It must be a great burden to be able to divine what others are thinking. It's almost like being Superman. How do you bear the responsibility?
David, it's a highly complicated process, but I'll try to explain it to you in terms you might be able to understand. If you want to know what people are thinking, listen to what they are saying and watch what they are doing.
For instance, if you want to know what Maliki thinks of Iranian influence, you could check what he's had to say and do about the Mahdi Army, Iran's proxy in Iraq.
Posted by: Pablo at June 21, 2008 08:01 AM (yTndK)
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I'm also thankful to know that what you need to become an ascendant nation is a walk down the red carpet for your President. I'm sure that if we asked Maliki to roll some red out for Bush, we could get that done and be right back at the top of the world!
David, you brightened my day immeasurably!
Posted by: Pablo at June 21, 2008 08:04 AM (yTndK)
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Gee, David, ya think that maybe, just maybe, the fact that Iran is right next door to Iraq, has a larger army than Iraq, has been sending people into Iraq to blow up Iraqi and American forces, and has no fondness for Iraq based in part on Saddam's war against Iran might--
might--have some bearing on how Mr. Maliki treats Mr. Ahmadinnerjacket?
Not to mention that a visiting head of state, regardless of how well or poorly the government feels about the other state, is generally treated very well indeed.
Tell me, David, when President Clinton welcomed Yasser Arafat to the US in 2000, did that mean that the Palestinians were "ascendant"? How about when he welcomed Ehud Barak in the same year, was that evidence that the Israelis were "ascendant"? My, my, the "ascendancy" seems to change hands quickly.
I could go on mocking your position, David, but it's just
too easy. I prefer a bit more of a challenge.
Posted by: C-C-G at June 21, 2008 08:37 AM (Hc4y8)
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Ah. I remember David's position on some other stuff. He's off-the-charts crazy.
Yeah, watching and listening to what others say and do is a pretty good indicator of what they're saying and doing.
Posted by: brando at June 21, 2008 10:00 AM (Gs5OS)
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Pablo Sayes:
'...and it means history will look kindly on George Bush.'
Pablo get that damn Breelcream outta your hair!
Your butch will look better, I bet!
Do you still smoke Lucky Strikes???
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 21, 2008 10:02 AM (HeqsW)
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Is that a bone in your head or is your melon really a bong?
Who is the president with the worst approval ratings? Harry Truman. And that's only because they weren't polling for them when Lincoln was in office. You'll remember that a big freaking chunk of the country took up arms and went to war against him.
Posted by: Pablo at June 21, 2008 10:56 AM (yTndK)
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First of all:
Jesus, people.
Second of all, I've never been comfortable with this Bush-Truman analogy. I get that you're trying to say that polls lack a certain historical vision, and I agree. But Comparing Truman, who valiantly stood his ground when he was being pressured by Republicans and MacArthur to expand the Korean war into China, to Bush, who seems all too eager start wars of questionable necessity, seems a little off base. Truman certainly wouldn't stand for it if he was alive. As a man of history, comparing Truman to Bush makes my skin crawl.
But in all honesty, I hope you all are right. If Iraq ends up a free and fair democracy and — even further — becomes the key to a democratic, terrorism-free Middle East, I think history will treat Bush as kindly as it does Truman. And the world will be a better place. But I'm skeptical. Or, more precisely, skeptically hopeful.
Posted by: Juan Manuel de Rosas at June 21, 2008 02:14 PM (IVQmE)
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"That our president has been such a complete and utter disaster makes few people I know happy."
David, I'd venture a guess that you know very few people who voted for him as well.
Posted by: daleyrocks at June 21, 2008 02:36 PM (i/fLn)
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Pablo Sayes:
'YouÂ’ll remember that a big freaking chunk of...'
I apologize to all the greasers I may have offended here.
The term is friggin'; youngin'!
You obviously are young.
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 21, 2008 05:04 PM (TQBut)
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daleyrocks is right;
'"That our president has been such a complete and utter disaster makes few people I know happy.”
David, IÂ’d venture a guess that you know very few people who voted for him as well.'
I live in Newport Beach, CA a haven for the right.
They are upset about the present but still say he was the best to vote for at that time.
As far as I see it the problem with this is the right would rather have a cardiac rather than admit that they were 'wrong'.
Really, when was the last time you've heard a righty admit they were wrong?
Don't lose sleep!
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 21, 2008 05:26 PM (TQBut)
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Well, I was wrong about the Surge - I thought McCain was an idiot and we were simply exposing more troops to harm, that the answer was a war of attrition. Well, we all know how that turned out...
Given the chance, would I vote for Bush again? In a heartbeat. Heck, if he was running now I'd still vote for him in preference to either of the two now running.
Posted by: Grey Fox at June 21, 2008 08:24 PM (miQY+)
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when was the last time you've heard a righty admit they were wrong?
I voted for Carter. I'll admit to that.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 21, 2008 08:34 PM (dcqty)
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Bush risked his political career to go to war in Iraq, because he thought it was a danger. He could have ignored it - he could have left it to the next president, or the next generation. Whether you agree with him about the threat Iraq posed or not, you have to give im some credit for that.
Or, we could have simply gone in and out, or bombed it from the air, or done any number of things that were simply symbolic, or removed Saddam without providing for the future. Instead, we got are hands dirty and tried to rebuild Iraq in such a way that it not only kept it from becoming a worse mess, but also went some way towards ending the "root causes" of terrorism. It was unpleasant, but the responsible thing to do.
Posted by: Grey Fox at June 21, 2008 08:46 PM (miQY+)
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Do your homework: Bush went to war because his PR flacks told him that all great presidents are considered great because they were wartime presidents. He ginned it up with faked evidence and skewed intelligence, and cries now that it blew up in his face. The only redeeming thing is that he will get EXACTLY what he deserves in the history books!
Posted by: Diogenes at June 21, 2008 09:22 PM (PMlL4)
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Diogenes, change your name, you're not looking for an honest man.
Read the Rockefeller report, and you'll see one phrase repeated over and over, "substantiated by intelligence information."
Of course, you won't read the actual report, you'll depend on the MoveOnMedia to tell you parts of it and leave other parts of it out... like the part I just mentioned. To read the actual report might mean that you'd be proved wrong, and you can't abide even the possibility of that, can you?
Posted by: C-C-G at June 21, 2008 09:37 PM (Hc4y8)
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Diogenes - Have you ever heard the term "hindsight hero?" That's what you and a lot of the left act like with the benefit of better information these days. Unfortunately there is no evidence of lies or faked information on the part of the administration before the war and repeating it does not make your case stronger. I'd be interested in seeing your case for PR flacks being in charge of White House decision making though. I thought it was Cheney.
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Oh C-C-G. Why did you have to go and do that?
Oh wait, because it is evidence that maybe he just wasn't lying, and was doing what he thought to be right.
Posted by: Matt at June 21, 2008 10:08 PM (91A6Z)
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"The only redeeming thing is that he will get EXACTLY what he deserves in the history books!"
To plagarize Churchill: History will be kind to him, because I intend to write it.
Heh.
He already had one war, quite popular and successful at the time, IIRC. Why start another?
Posted by: Grey Fox at June 21, 2008 11:21 PM (miQY+)
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Juan,
But I'm skeptical. Or, more precisely, skeptically hopeful.
Things are looking up in Iraq and they have been for some time. While it's been a long time coming, Iraqis are finally getting it done for themselves. Bravo to them, and I hope nothing more than that they keep it up.
Posted by: Pablo at June 21, 2008 11:56 PM (yTndK)
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The surge has been a military success thus far. Iraq in 2008 is more stable than 2006. Even as someone who opposed the war from the start, I celebrate the improvements brought by the surge. After all, the more stable Iraq is, the less Iraqi and American casualties there are. We could get into a pissing contest about whose pre-war predictions came out to be true, but frankly that's irrelevant now.
However, I remain skeptical because the obstacles facing a stable Iraq are daunting. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of mid-east history knows that getting Sunnis and Shi'as to get along is — to put it mildly — pretty hard. With an all-volunteer army, it's going to be impossible to keep troop levels this high, so what happens when we start drawing down our troops? There are also other disturbing unanswered questions (Can Maliki create jobs? Can we rebuild Iraqi infrastructure? How are oil profits going to be divided? etc.). Again, I hope my skepticism turns out to be unjustified in the same way that my skepticism about the surge was proven wrong.
@ daleyrocks
I think history will say that the Bush administration and intelligence officials gave absurd amounts of credence to questionable intelligence because they were trying to make a case for a war of choice. For this reason, I don't think Bush will be vindicated by historians. But you are right insofar as that reality is more nuanced than presented by the "Bush faked intelligence" argument. But I guess we'll see in a few decades...
Posted by: Juan Manuel de Rosas at June 22, 2008 03:03 AM (IVQmE)
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Hey,
I heard somewhere that after Bush flew over some of the flood zones he went promptly to his ranch ta' clear some brush.
Could this be true?
If he would just stay there and clear da' brush, the world would be a better place!
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 22, 2008 09:40 AM (TQBut)
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Hey,
Come on now, and I know it will be hard for some of you, are you better off than 4/8 ago?
No phony answers, PLEASE!
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 22, 2008 01:33 PM (TQBut)
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Yes, BoneHead, I am.
For one thing, we have a government in place that is taking Islamic terrorism seriously.
But there's also been a turnaround in my personal life. Several, actually. And since it is, as I said, personal, I ain't gonna share details. Call me a liar if you wish.
Posted by: C-C-G at June 22, 2008 03:24 PM (Hc4y8)
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BoneHead - Let me take a couple of wild guesses. You believe in anthropogenic global warming. You also want lower energy prices, but don't want any new offshore drilling, drilling in the ANWR, any development of oil shale, or any new domestic refineries built. You also want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
How am I doing?
Posted by: daleyrocks at June 22, 2008 03:36 PM (i/fLn)
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' Let me take a couple of wild guesses. '
Like I said before I believe in UFO'S, Ghosts and Dinosaurs!
Global warming is for punks.
Ever heard of 'Lizard Man'?
I lived there!
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 22, 2008 04:52 PM (TQBut)
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daleyrocks:
'...or any new domestic refineries built.'
I spent most of my productive life actually participating in the building of Nuclear Plants and upgrades of Refineries.
No, I feel they are greatly needed.
Blame as you wish.
Posted by: BrotherBoneHead at June 22, 2008 05:04 PM (TQBut)
Posted by: toby928 at June 22, 2008 06:57 PM (PD1tk)
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BrotherBoneHead,
You asked when was the last time a righty admitted that he was wrong. I am about as righty as you can get.
When JFK was elected I thought he was competent and would stand up for the country. I was wrong.
When LBJ became President I thought, he's from Texas. He can't be that bad. I was wrong.
When Richard Nixon became President I thought an old cold warrior wouldn't impose price controls. I was wrong.
When Gerald Ford became President I thought he was a conservative. I was wrong.
When Jimmy Carter was elected I thought "he's a Southerner and a Christian. He can't be as bad as he seems". Boy, was I ever wrong.
When GHW Bush was elected I thought he would continue Reagan's policies and keep his pledge on taxes. I was wrong.
When Bill Clinton was elected I thought he was a moderate. I also thought that Lyndon Johnson was as dishonest a man as had ever been President and that Richard Nixon was the man who would most discredit the Presidency in my lifetime. I don't think I need to tell you how wrong I was.
When GW Bush was elected I thought he was more like Reagan than like his father. I also thought he might try to control spending, the border or both. I was again wrong.
I still believe that somewhere out there is an honest Democrat. But I'm probably wrong.
Posted by: Ken Hahn at June 22, 2008 11:29 PM (uT2/F)
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Whether Iraq is a success or not, historically speaking, will not be evident for decades. When England occupied that area in the first half of the last century, after a few decades, there were many coups and turmoil. That country has all the makings of unrest: multiple ethnic groups that don't trust/hate each other, high unemployment rates, broken infrastructure and a HUGE natural resource worth trillions of dollars to control. It will be a tinderbox easily for the next 100 years regardless of the surge or our presence...
As far as GWB and history goes, I think Iraq isn't his legacy as that will be shared by several presidents into the future. GWB's legacy will be 9/11, OSB, torture, Gitmo, end runs around the constitution, Katrina/NO, NCLB, and illegal wiretapping.
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June 13, 2008
al Sadr Crafting an Iraqi Hezbollah?
Via email from a trusted source, a VOI account. It looks like al Sadr is going to continue his Iranian-backed insurrection against the Iraqi government:
The anti-American Shiite cleric Muqtada
al-Sadr on Friday expressed intention to authorize setting up "cells
to resist the occupation", head of the political bureau of Sadr's
Movement said.
"The declaration by Sayyed Muqtada al-Sadr to form cells to resist the
occupation comes in full conformity with the approach of the
Sadrists," Sheikh Liwa Semaysam told Aswat al-Iraq- Voices of Iraq-
(VOI) on the phone.
The key Sadrist leader added that these cells will "have a written
authorization by Sayyed Muqtada al-Sadr to carry out their task, on
the condition that arms will only be in their hands for use against
the occupier and none else."
Sheikh Semaysam, a close aide of Sadr, provided no further details.
If true—and apparently, it is—al Sadr is attempting to split and sanction a military wing off of the Madhi Army and Iranian "Special groups" to continue insurgent operations, while making at least a face-value attempt to demilitarize the organization.
Intresting, isn't it?
Iran tried to infiltrate Iraqi government at all levels, along with militia groups and criminal gangs. Obviously, as PM Maliki's clearing out of Sadrists from Baghdad to Basra proved, the government route has failed, and the militia route is on the ropes.
As a result, al Sadr is apparently attempting to craft an Iraqi Hezbollah, entrenching his group socially as an Iranian-supported shadow government with it's own insurgent military wing. Iraq's security forces and government are far less fractured than those in Lebanon, so it seems unlikely that al Sadr's hopes will come to fruition, but the development does raise an interesting question, namely: is this the best Iran has left?
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Al-sadr must be killed.
Posted by: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at June 13, 2008 12:36 PM (gkobM)
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrr, perhaps the troops can use bullets coated in pig fat.
Posted by: C-C-G at June 13, 2008 06:16 PM (X5vKa)
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Why the assumption that Maliki, who spent a few decades in Iran, and despite all his past statements, is not a friend of Iran's, or is a friend of ours? Why the assumption that Sadr, who did not spend a few decades in Iran, and despite all is past statements, is a friend of Iran's?
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June 04, 2008
What Lies Will He Tell Today?
Over at
Hot Air this morning, Ed Morrissey points to
an article in the
Weekly Standard about Barack Obama's opposition to the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment designating Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) a terrorist organization:
These designations are more than just rhetorical; labeling the IRGC as a terrorist organization brings to bear a range of powerful sanctions that crack down on its ability to work in the global financial system.
The proximate cause of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment was a growing dossier of evidence from General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, documenting the IRGC's role in financing, training, arming, and directing extremists in Iraq responsible for the murder of hundreds of American and Iraqi soldiers and civilians.
Of course, that's not the full extent of the IRGC's malign influence. The group is an acknowledged supporter of terror (a fact even Senator Obama concedes), training, financing and arming Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and most recently, the Taliban. At home in Iran, the IRGC now dominates the regime, with 9 out of 21 seats in the Ahmadinejad cabinet held by former IRGC and IRGC-affiliated officials. The IRGC is also a vital player in Iran's licit and illicit economies, and dominates important sectors like construction.
Needless to say, the Kyl-Lieberman amendment won broad support in the Senate, passing 76-22. Senator Hillary Clinton voted for it, as did Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senator Chuck Schumer, and Senator Dick Durbin.
Senator Obama, however, was one of a handful of senators who opposed the amendment--which had aroused the ire of the left-wing blogosphere. In the frenzied minds of DailyKos and Moveon.org, Kyl-Lieberman--or "Lieberman-Kyl," as they preferred to call it--was nothing less than a stealth declaration of war on Iran.
So if the National Journal's Most Liberal Senator is still taking marching orders from Kossacks and the "General Betray Us" radicals of Moveon.org, where, precisely, is Obama's claimed but never seen bipartisanship? It doesn't exist. It never has.
As Ed astutely notes:
There are only two reasons to oppose the application of sanctions on Iran. Either one wants to go to war and skip all of the other options, or doesn't believe Iran to be a threat and a sponsor of terror. Into which group should we put Barack Obama?
Obama, who resolutely refuses to acknowledge changing fortunes in Iraq (the more than year-long string of successes there are not changes he can believe in), obviously takes the later, "see no evil" view.
Pro-Palestinian Obama will try to gloss over his record (such as the Kyl-Lieberman vote) and his past associations today as he addresses AIPAC. Perhaps someone in the audience will ask Obama why he allowed a pair of grants totaling $75,000 to go to the Arab-American Action Network, a group that calls the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe," while director of the ultra-liberal Woods Fund.
Barack Obama supports Israel the way R. Kelly supports Girl Scouts. It's time someone calls him on it.
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