October 08, 2007
September 17, 2007
Violating Her Sybil Rights?
The words "honesty" and "Hollywood" don't belong in the same sentence for a very good reason. Sally Field, bungling her Emmy acceptance speech and being played off-stage as she went over her allotted time, had her closing comment cut off when she utter "g-d d-mn" on tape-delayed "live" television.
Normally, this would be hardly worth mentioning, as profanity is routinely edited out on these kinds of shows (as it was on at least two other occasions last night) and babbling stars are often played off the stage (as also occurred last night) as they prattle on past their allotted time.
Field, professional that she is, timed a mild anti-war comment to come out prefaced by profanity as she was being played off the stage. According to a quite dishonest L.A. Times Tom O'Neil:
Producers of Sunday's Emmy telecast bleeped best drama actress winner Sally Field in the midst of a controversial acceptance speech attacking U.S. involvement in Iraq.
"If mothers ruled the world, there wouldn't be any god -" she said when the sound went dead and the camera suddenly turned away from the stage so viewers would be distracted. Chopped off were the words "god-damned wars in the first place."
Filed was not "in the midst" as O'Neil reported, but already over her allotted time as the music came up and she was being played off the stage. Likewise, as Don Surber notes, she was far from being the only celebrity to have their profanity edited out of the show.
Predictably, blogs in the community-based reality such as Think Progress and the aptly-named Crooks and Liars are quick to make the unsupported accusation that this was the result of "censorship" by Fox , and left out the pertinent details that Field was using profanity and already over time when she made her rote comment.
Obviously, these troubling facts aren't relevant to the story they would prefer to tell.
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...but of course, if MSNBC and C-NBC
refuse to run a pro-Iraq-victory ad, that's just fine with the lefties.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: to a lefty, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others. Orwell would be so proud.
(Hey, CY... how come the comment filter doesn't like C and N right next to each other?)
Posted by: C-C-G at September 17, 2007 09:06 AM (lo4eE)
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Hmmmm.
People watch that show?
Posted by: memomachine at September 17, 2007 10:33 AM (3pvQO)
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I typed in a comment that the guy was a "goddamn moron," and he hasn't posted it.
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2007 10:54 AM (1moHq)
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Facts have never meant much to liberals
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 17, 2007 11:14 AM (Lgw9b)
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Bono used profanity not too long ago at the Golden Globes and the act was not censored or fined. But, you're right: Fox would be worried more about a dirty word than an anti-war comment. That makes sense.
Do you watch much television?
Romano's slip earlier in the evening - now THAT I could buy was due to the profanity.
Posted by: dgbellak at September 17, 2007 04:52 PM (cWhAD)
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Since what constitutes "facts" seems to be up for debate here, why don't you read someone who has
done their research.
Posted by: dgbellak at September 17, 2007 06:56 PM (cWhAD)
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He's the guy who wouldn't post my comment calling him a "goddamn moron."
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2007 07:01 PM (JSYrn)
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Difficult to imagine why. It adds so much to the debate.
Posted by: dgbellak at September 17, 2007 07:04 PM (cWhAD)
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Exactly.
CENSORSHIP!!!!
Posted by: Dan Collins at September 17, 2007 07:26 PM (JSYrn)
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The several second delay is intended to allow time to censor the expletive. What is less common is that in this case the
[bleep] network censored the words that came after the expletive too.
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buma, you do understand when someone hits the dump button it takes a few seconds to reset, right? That anything said in those few seconds is also cut?
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September 02, 2007
The Truther Behind the Traitor
Former Hollywood agent, Pat Dollard
gets to the bottom line.
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At 11:15 (CST) the link to Pat Dollard's column produces this error:
Error 404. Page Not Found.
Whoops. It appears this page no longer exists or has been moved.
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Posted by: Dave at September 03, 2007 11:44 AM (/AAA6)
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Pat's got some sort of URL issues... I wonder if the Drudge link yesterday gave him issues, as I'm now on my third link for this post
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at September 03, 2007 11:47 AM (HcgFD)
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You can access the story on Jeff Rense`s website
http://www.rense.com/general78/we.htm
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August 31, 2007
Images Redacted
Brian De Palma is tediously consistent if nothing else.
His Vietnam war fiction "Casualties of War" portrayed American soldiers as rapist thugs merely bidding their time for the opportunity to commit inhuman acts against a bucolic population.
Unlike "Casualties," which was filmed decades after the war in Southeast Asia, De Palma's new film, "Redacted" is an admitted attempt by De Palma to sway world opinion against Americans soldiers while they are actively engaged in combat.
A new film about the real-life rape and killing of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl by U.S. soldiers who also murdered her family stunned the Venice festival, with shocking images that left some viewers in tears.
"Redacted," by U.S. director Brian De Palma, is one of at least eight American films on the war in Iraq due for release in the next few months and the first of two movies on the conflict screening in Venice's main competition.
Inspired by one of the most serious crimes committed by American soldiers in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, it is a harrowing indictment of the conflict and spares the audience no brutality to get its message across.
De Palma, 66, whose "Casualties of War" in 1989 told a similar tale of abuse by American soldiers in Vietnam, makes no secret of the goal he is hoping to achieve with the film's images, all based on real material he found on the Internet.
"The movie is an attempt to bring the reality of what is happening in Iraq to the American people," he told reporters after a press screening.
"The pictures are what will stop the war. One only hopes that these images will get the public incensed enough to motivate their Congressmen to vote against this war," he said.
As noted above, De Palma's film is propaganda to which he proudly admits:
"The pictures are what will stop the war. One only hopes that these images will get the public incensed enough to motivate their Congressmen to vote against this war," he said.
I wonder how this country would have responded if Director John Ford had released a film showing American servicemen raping and killing an innocent Japanese girl in 1943 and murdering her family, instead of the propaganda film December 7.
In 1944, Ford was a commander in the USNR, and watched the June 6, 1944 invasion of Normandy from the USS Plunkett as the destroyer screened troop transports off Omaha Beach, and later landed on sands tinged red with the blood of American soldiers. To this day, most of the film Ford's team of combat cameramen shot on "Bloody Omaha" has never been seen. One may wonder how De Palma would have reacted in such a setting. Would his reaction have been to have noted the sacrifice of America's soldiers, or to vilify them for shooting fair-haired soldiers of the Wehrmacht as their lines collapsed and were overrun?
It seems almost certain that if De Palma covered the battle for Okinawa in 1945, his predilection for vilifying the American military would no doubt have led him to tell the story of the noble schoolteacher who led her classroom of children over the cliffs to their deaths at Humeyuri-no-to, and the bloodthirsty Marines they escaped from into death.
Of course, De Palma isn't making movies during World War Two vilifying AmericaÂ’s soldiers; he's making movies during a current war vilifying Americans soldiers.
What would once have been quickly identified as treasonous or seditious in past conflicts is now something that appears to be quite fashionable among certain aspects of our society.
De Palma and like-minded souls in Venice, Cannes, and Santa Barbara, of course, feel brave for making a film that portrays the young Midwestern privates and southern specialists and street-smart second lieutenants from Jersey on the frontlines as savages, capable and yearning to unleash unbearable cruelty.
As sweat drips in the eyes of soldiers and Marines as they attempt to bring peace to a land that has rarely known it, their enemies will be watching pirated and crudely-dubbed bootlegs of Redacted in training camps in Syria, in mosques in Saudi Arabia, and in homes throughout the Arab world, who already take a suspicious view of the American soldier in Iraq.
We will not see the pictures that would actually win the war, of an Iraqi father wrapping his arms around a suicide bomber to keep him from entering a mosque, or of the Iraqi interpreter who proudly dreams of becoming an American Marine. We won't see American ssaving Iraqi lives, or Iraqis saving American lives, or the brutality of those we fight.
Those, you see, are the pictures that Brian de Palma has redacted.
Blast From the Past: I'd almost forgotten. Venice was a pretty smart choice for De Palma, as the Italians have quite the fetish for dishonest anti-war propaganda.
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Is it just me or does DePalma have a penchant for films involving the rape of young girls. I bet poor John Ford is turning over in his grave.
Posted by: Tarheel at August 31, 2007 02:18 PM (5EyBQ)
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shooting fair-haired soldiers of the Wehrmacht as their lines collapsed and were overrun?
or
rape and killing of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl by U.S. soldiers who also murdered her family
...And you righties are always spluttering and mewling about your problems with the perceived "moral equivalency" practiced by the left. Putting these two situations on equal footing is disgusting.
Posted by: nunaim at August 31, 2007 02:39 PM (22/Qe)
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It's despicable to see what De Palma is doing. It's totally irresponsible and only for political gain on his own part. He would be happy if we left now, Al Qaeda moved back in killed and terrorized the iraqi people with their taliban style rule.
What he's doing is sick and wrong.
Posted by: john at August 31, 2007 02:53 PM (1RKaX)
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Brian De Palma?
He is the one who gave us that 1984 blockbuster, Body Double.
Posted by: Dave at August 31, 2007 03:11 PM (38EUg)
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Ah liberals.
Always the humanists.
Out of the 1000s of atrocities committed in Iraq on a daily basis- the mass murders, the car bombs, the assassinations, the rapes, the beheadings, the tortures, the 10s of thousands slaughtered by jihadis and ex-baathist thugs,
Only when the atrocity is done by an AMERICAN SOLDIER does it get his attention, and justify dumping millions into a feature film
Yeah, he cares about Iraqis.
His selective outrage is laughable if it wasnt disgusting
He isnt against America. He's for the other side.
Posted by: TMF at August 31, 2007 04:30 PM (+Ac3z)
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Dave,
Don't forget the mega-hit, "Bonfire of the vanities"
Posted by: Brad at August 31, 2007 05:55 PM (DMnkh)
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You mean you'd rather cover it up? Hide the fact that real justice was doled out in American courts for these heinous crimes? One soldier got 100 years, one 90 years, Steven D. Green, the ring leader may get the death penalty.
Why wouldn't you want that broadcast far and wide?
Posted by: markg8 at August 31, 2007 06:45 PM (7xxF4)
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I totally agree with TMF... My padna Lil Country and Me witnessed the day they dumped the decapitated body of that Korean Student on Route Irish that the insurgents had offed. they didn't even have the decency of dumping his squash with his carcass... just a jumpsuited body sans casaba.
This being ONE of DOZENS of innocent-murdered bodies we saw during a 22 month tour. NO MENTION by the "Bleeding Hearts" of the constant infliction of violence on the Innocents by the REAL Bad Guys but a constant harping on our US Troops. This leads me to my next thing:
I Have a THEORY: Its a odd one, but roll with me on this for a second. I've noticed an ever increasing trend that has YET to be picked up by ANY media source or even anyone else that I can tell.
Having said that, I have noticed an increase in denial of their aging by the "Baby Boomer Generation" which happens to be the majority of the scum-sucking 1960's anti-Vietnam War peaceniks.
This include my own parents. They are constantly trying to "Live Younger" and "Act Young" on a regular basis. Isn't it true that the Mass Media regularly dump stories on us on how "Young" the current crop of 59 to 65'ers are? How they are 'extending their lives' and all that crap? Look at the number of ads and drugs that are being pushed with the idea of 'living longer' and all that jazz...
Is it possible we are seeing a MAJOR resurgence in anti-military/anti-war behavior because of these sorry 'people' are intent on "Recapturing Their Youth" and "Leaving ANOTHER Mark for Another Generation by stopping THIS war"?
Does this have more to do with the DENIAL of the fact that they are a bunch of sorry retreads who learned the hard way that they were WRONG about Vietnam and that they are setting themselves up for future failure? Add on that in their self centered minds "THIS TIME WE'RE RIGHT!!!!"
Who do they think is going to be taking care of their wrinkled butts in another 20 years? Do they have any concept of this? My thoughts are NO. Its been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Post WW2 Generation... those of the '60's Lovefest' are the most self center egocentric and completely spoiled rotten group to have ever had the unfortunate situation of having been spawned. Because of their "Me-me-me-me-me" Selfishness and the denial of "Aging Gracefully" they are setting us up for failures that they themselves won't live to see. Islam-America anyone? Among the leftists and retreads.. do the see this as a possibility? Nah... No Hope for them... If you think I'm wrong... just look at the "Usual Suspects" out there who are either 'trying' or 'doing' in playing a role in the Anti-War (bowel)Movements:
Hanoi Jane Fonda
John "5 1/2 Months Incountry" Kerry
John "EX-Marine" Murtha
Ralph "Sunbeam" Nader
Justin Raimondo
Cindy Sheehan
and a host of others...all 60's and wannabe retreads.
And for those of you who wish to argue that the youth of America are involved as well:
The Younger Generation in College right now are being taught by what has been referred to as the Most Leftist Group of Professors this side of Joseph Stalin. And for this, I offer, my Dad has been a Professor in the state he calls the Peoples Socialist Republic of Massachusetts for 25 years... I know how bad it is... it's part of why he retired this year... anyways
nuff said... let the flames begin!
Posted by: Big Country at August 31, 2007 06:53 PM (q7b5Y)
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Only when the atrocity is done by an AMERICAN SOLDIER does it get his attention
NO MENTION by the "Bleeding Hearts" of the constant infliction of violence on the Innocents by the REAL Bad Guys but a constant harping on our US Troops.
First: we're supposed to be the
good guys, you fools. Are you seriously proposing that we judge our own behavior against the behavior of terrorists? As long we're not as bad as they are, then everything's cool?
Second: Our military presumably has the power to control the behavior of our soldiers, so it makes sense to complain about something that we can, at least nominally, have some influence over.
Duh.
Posted by: nunaim at August 31, 2007 07:17 PM (OJvAD)
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nunaim:
The concept of "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys" went out the door years ago with "White Hats" and "Black Hats." Unfortunately its the fact of life. The fact that we
haven't gone
completely apeshit and done what
really needs to be done shows the US Militarys restraint.
As suggested by my 'Fixer' (who thankfully I helped get out of Baghdad before the place became a TOTAL cesspool), he had his own ideas.
Mohammned told me (and he's a devout Shiite) that if we, the American and Coalition forces
really wanted to stop the uprising and insurgency, his advice was that every single mullah who was publically speaking out against the Coalition be graphically and publically executed and their bodies be left in the streets as a warning to others.
Doing this he said would have prevented 95% of the violence that has since been perpetrated. The Iraqis he explained to me only respect strength and terror, and not necessarily in that order. Saddam for all his insanity understood the fracteous nature and basic tribalism of the people here, and stamped down accordingly.
Unfortunately or Fortunately, we as Americans prefer to approach things with a "nice guy approach." It's what gets our teeth kicked in every time. Nice Guys and Leftist finish last... reality is peace comes from a barrel of a gun, not from vacuous wishful thinking.
Posted by: Big Country at August 31, 2007 07:56 PM (q7b5Y)
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No one forgives the rape and murder of a girl and her family--and the individuals involved were prosecuted because in fact we are the good guys--or at least keep our soldiers under more control than most other armies.
Nunaim goes into paroxysms of liberal guilt and angst. I suppose if it makes him or her feel better that's okay. In the meantime, Nunaim should get out of the way of the serious people and sit off in a corner somewhere nursing his/her aganst.
Posted by: Mike Myers at August 31, 2007 08:42 PM (774Bg)
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Geez nunaim, even if we can't control the real bad guys in Iraq, how come we can't talk about them on TV or in the press in this country. TV shows about radical Islam get censored or cancelled, articles get spiked, Reuters doesn't even have the word terrorist in their lexicon (admittedely they're not U.S.). If we can talk about the bad deeds of the goog guys, why is there an embargo on a discussion of the bad deeds of the bad guys?
Posted by: daleyrocks at August 31, 2007 11:47 PM (0pZel)
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"Our military presumably has the power to control the behavior of our soldiers, so it makes sense to complain about something that we can, at least nominally, have some influence over."
What are you thinking we should "complain about?" Do you think that the military could have prevented this? Do you think that the military somehow enabled this? Do you think that the military didn't prosecute this?
If, in fact, DePalma's point is to help prevent these sorts of atrocities in the future, then I'm guessing that the main focus of the movie would be on the heroes in the military justice system, who investigated this horrific act, prosecuted these animals, and sentenced them to terms long enough so that most of them won't be seeing the outside of a jail cell until well after their 100th birthdays.
Somehow, I'm skeptical that that is, in fact, the focus.
Especially since DePalma says that his intention is to "use the pictures to stop the war." The pictures can only do that if he is somehow claiming that it's the war itself, i.e. the US military, that is responsible for this rape/murder. That, in other words, these sorts of things are a consequence of "Bush's War," rather than the horrendous acts of individuals, and that, therefore, the individuals who committed this crime are somehow, themselves, victims of the evil military, or the evil administration.
Crimes like these cannot be 100% prevented in any instance, under any circumstance, civilian or military. With more than 1 million troops having been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan (http://www.ips-dc.org/iraq/quagmire/), a few really sick, twisted animals must be among the bunch, no matter how well screened and trained they are. So, in other words, if Bush hadn't sent these individuals to Iraq, there's no reason to doubt that they would have committed this or a similar act in Germany, or Okinawa, or Cleveland, or wherever they would otherwise have been living. Would it still have been worth making a movie about?
Posted by: notropis at September 01, 2007 12:10 AM (zr8/n)
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The pictures are what will stop the war
If only it were so! Quite to the contrary the most the pictures can accomplish is to end the U. S. involvement in the war. 90% of the casualties and 99.9% of the atrocities have been perpetrated by people who aren't Americans.
There are people of good will who honestly believe that the entirety of what's going on is a war of national liberation and that when the Americans leave, the war will end. I respectfully disagree and suggest that this scenario corresponds to no credible theory of human behavior. If the Americans leave before the war is over, the war will go on merrily without them. There just won't be anybody in Iraq with the will or ability to prevent the worst possible effects from taking place.
Posted by: Dave Schuler at September 01, 2007 08:03 AM (Umeaf)
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Brian DePalma is another burned out 1960s hippie. The irony here is that if there were a Teheran Film Festival, he would be hiding in a loft in Fresno, the subject of a fatwa.
Posted by: arch at September 01, 2007 09:22 AM (T4pTu)
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Ever heard of paragraphs? Of course I shouldn't expect much from a vicious military hater like yourself.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 01, 2007 01:36 PM (wUvEV)
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I wish I could write this up well. I tried blogging it, but lost the train of thought...Here is the pot shot version:
Do you remember the big debate around 9/11 2002 about not showing the images of the planes flying into the towers or the towers coming down on the anniversary of the attacks?
They were "too traumatic" and it was better for our Western society to gain some closure, and not further demonize all Muslims, by showing those images again. And we didn't.
Now, we have Opus cartoons taking shots at radical Islamicists needing to be censored in order to not demonize, radical Islamicists? oh, no, just don't use the radicals to demonize all Muslims.
Using a few GIs to demonize the US military and ultimately the foundations of Western society, OK....that is progressive.....but not the Other...
I know I've lost a lot of people with the "foundations of Western society" bit, but it does fit together.
How many movies have come out about 9/11? Big block buster movies? Movies with the intense thriller aspects and expert, best of Hollywood direction along the lines of Spielburg's Munich???
8 anti-Iraq War II films in the pipe, but I guess stories about the carrying out of the 9/11 attacks or the horrific terror and agonizing deaths on 9/11/2001 aren't compelling enough......or maybe Hollywood cares so much about that event, they are waiting for something like the 10th anniversary to really pay tribute to the events of that day....
Getting the anti-Iraq War II stuff out is just easier and makes more sense...somehow...while holding back on 9/11 material also...somehow makes sense.
It is the same kind of sense that has movies like The Good Shepard made. Not too much of an overly political movie, but it has threads that tie it to the bigger picture - which is connected to why anti-war movies are the vogue and 9/11 movies are not....
A few times in De Niro's movie, they mention that fearful organizations like the CIA need (to manufacture fake) enemies to justify their power (and the bad things they do with it)...
He also had a scene that gave the argument that the Soviets were a hollow, rotting mammoth that "was never a threat, is not a threat, will never be a threat....."
The movie makers and we know that the rotting, bloated giant part turned out to be true, but not only did it not seem that way back then.....if you look at North Korea today....you can see how even an already collapsed, tiny state can.....still offer a terrible threat of doom due to its military size and the weapons it possess....Could the Soviet's have ever defeated the Allies? Were they ever strong enough to give it a go? It is immaterial when considering whether the threat was real or not. NK can't win a war, but it can still rain down hell on 10 million South Koreans alone living in Seoul....
But, these De Niro items in The Good Shepard are part of a trend that has been going on since before the end of the Cold War....and the objective is the same as De Palma and Hollywood on Iraq War II today AND their objective in avoiding stoking patrioticism-demonizing Muslims by not making 9/11 movies or movies that portray US soldiers in a good light....
As the Cold War was still going on, and since, segments of our society, mainly the intelligencia, have tried hard to down play the ill in the Others and play up the ills (real and imagined) in our own Western world.....
Look at the references to Dresden and fire bombing of Tokyo in literature and movies.....Try a movie I recently watched.....The Map of the Heart....
And on the flip side, I read recently, though I don't know the validity of the reporting, that the Brits are cutting out Churchill in new history textbooks to make room for other material.....but at the same time......Hitler and Nazi Germany is getting some "different perspectives" put in to help de-demonize the English view of Germans and Germany as a nation......
What we have here is the same battle going on for the hearts and minds of members of Western society.
The same battle that went on early in the 20th Century --- the battle to overcome the evils of capitalism and capitalistic society.
Is this the same as calling all these guys "communists" as we saw in the Cold War ideological battles?
No. At least the people that were openly leftists back then had an ideology they believed in...
Today.....we have the same types of people, even in some cases the same people, fighting the good fight.....they just lost any sense of an alternative with the end of the Cold War and the collapse of any hint of the Soviet-way as a viable alternative....
Today....the best they can do is Global Warming...
I know this all sounds far fetched...but think about it....
De Caprio (sp?) comes out with a GW movie and Hollywood wants to make Gore a secular saint. Big business is a constant target of the intelligencia and the pseudo-intellectuals of pop culture. And they also happen to have just pumped out a string of anti-war movies during a presidential election cycle.....
These are the same groups of people who argued the Soviets (and even the likes of North Korea) were viable alternatives to Western ills back in the day....
I mean, these are the same guys and girls who fawn over Michael Moore for going to Cuba to rave about its health care system.......
The desire is the same......they have been trying to bring about a reformation of Western society.
They do so by playing up its faults.
"Deconstructing" its "supposed" good qualities.
And by defending and shielding its enemies in various ways.
That is why Dresden naturally comes to mind for them when thinking about WWII (and not saving the world from fascism)....
That is why movies about Iraq War II demonizing American soldiers and Western governments is the right thing to do ---- and not movies about 9/11...
Posted by: usinkorea at September 01, 2007 04:23 PM (3mK4l)
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"The Map of the Heart" should be "Map of the Human Heart" and the line about Michael Moore should have emphasized that these groups are STILL going to communist dictatorships to recuperate their image...
Posted by: usinkorea at September 01, 2007 04:30 PM (3mK4l)
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"Quite to the contrary the most the pictures can accomplish is to end the U. S. involvement in the war. 90% of the casualties and 99.9% of the atrocities have been perpetrated by people who aren't Americans."
So true, and thanks for the correction/clarification to my post.
Posted by: notropis at September 01, 2007 05:26 PM (zr8/n)
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He was one stoned slacker; Jeff Piccoli from Texas, not representative of the overwhelming
majority of US soldiers in Afghanistan 0r Iraq.
(Interestingly; Sean Penn friend to the Iranian mullahs, Katrina grandstander, and friend of Hugo
Chavez; was in "Casualties of War"
Posted by: narciso at September 01, 2007 06:27 PM (DMnkh)
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Why wouldn't you want that broadcast far and wide?
De Palma will
have to omit the final act, because it would let the air out of the rest.
A proper documentary would necessarily include the trials and sentencing. He's not making a documentary though and has made no mention of including the trials and sentencing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 01, 2007 10:44 PM (NiDeC)
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De Palma will have to omit the final act, because it would let the air out of the rest.
Your reasoning doesn't make sense; the trial and sentencing would underscore the absolute wrongness of what he did.
Posted by: nunaim at September 02, 2007 07:53 AM (0K/xd)
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Guys:
Keep up the good work! Nobody has noticed one of my movies for over ten years. If you keep hacking away at it, you might just give me enough publicity to make this sucker break even.
Posted by: Brian De Palma at September 02, 2007 07:56 AM (0K/xd)
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Well, if were going to use the actions of a very, very tiny, insignificant minority to smear an entire group/policy, I guess we can do an movie on mistress murdering drunk Teddy Kennedy as a commentary on all liberal Democrats.
Posted by: TMF at September 02, 2007 12:06 PM (+Ac3z)
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Or a movie on philandering, perjuring, lying to the face of the American people, justice obstructing William Clinton as a commentary on Hillary.
You get the picture
These guys did a horrible thing- the type of thing, sadly, that happens with similar frequency amongst the civilian population here in the US every day.
This movie is a piece of propagandist garbage that would make DePalmas proteges in the SS proud.
Posted by: TMF at September 02, 2007 12:08 PM (+Ac3z)
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I guess we can do an movie on mistress murdering drunk Teddy Kennedy as a commentary on all liberal Democrats....Or a movie on philandering, perjuring, lying to the face of the American people, justice obstructing William Clinton
Go for it, dude! If the Lewinsky BJ scene is graphic enough, I may even buy a ticket.
Posted by: nunaim at September 02, 2007 02:46 PM (0K/xd)
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I do not believe Americans are free to say and do whatever they want. The thought of anarchy in a system of law in contradictory. War is hell, and war is ugly. America and England have gone far beyond any normal call for civility during war, investigating everything. When will the propagandists be held accountable? When will the American people demand this garbage stop?
Posted by: Mekan at September 02, 2007 04:09 PM (mzFPd)
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Confederate Yankee, you refer to Casualties of War as "fiction."
You might want to rethink that charge. The rape-murder portrayed in Casualties of War most certainly took place in 1966 during a five-man recon patrol mounted by a battalion from the 1st Cavalry Division.
Now, I'll grant that the movie version is overly dramatic and involves much more combat than actually occurred during the incident in question.
I'll also grant that the rape-murder portrayed in Casualties of War cannot stand as a representational portrait of the American grunt in Vietnam. Certainly, such incidents were few and far between.
But there is no doubt that rape-murders did take place during the war, and the one portrayed in Casualties of War is based on actual court-martial testimony and interviews with the one soldier of five who refused to participate.
In other words, you use the word "fiction" in a most disingenuous manner.
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At least "Casualties of War" had a trial.
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De Palma will omit the "final act", i.e., the trial and imprisonment of the perpetrators, because that would nullify the entire purpose of the movie-- to demonize the U.S. military. Which means he is a propagandist for the enemy of the lowest order. In WW2 he would have been prosecuted for sedition and shot for treason. But that was before our country became infested with Liberals. They will be the downfall of America. They are the barbarians within the gates.
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DePalma certainly included the trial and imprisonment of the offenders in his previous Casualties of War..... a movie which CY still seems to consider "fiction."
Posted by: PITA at September 03, 2007 09:49 PM (2MwpW)
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Hmmmm.
What's worse is that this is supposed to be a documentary/fiction. Which means that they'll include just enough fact to make it somewhat credible but then blow it up as much as possible.
And that Mark Cuban is involved is something of a disgrace as well.
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Confederate Yankee, do you mind if I ask for a third time why you refer to Casualties of War as "fiction," when, in fact, the rape-murder portrayed took place in November of '66, and was carried out by four of five members of a recon patrol from the 1st Cavalry Division?
That fifth member of the patrol who refused to participate in the rape-murder, and who was ignored by the chain of command when he tried to report the incident, and who was immediately transferred out of his rifle company (for fear his comrades might retaliate against such a "gook-lover") also saw several other atrocities committed by his fellow grunts during other patrols. He also saw evidence of Viet Cong atrocities against civilians.
All of this was documented decades ago in the book Casualties of War by Daniel Lang.
Why do you pretend otherwise?
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PITA, the movie
Casualties of War was a movie directed by Brian De Palma, based up a script written by David Rabe, which in turn was based upon Daniel Lang's article in
The New Yorker, which in turn, was inspired by a true event.
Further Rabe was irritated with what De Palma did to his script, further fictonalizing and stylizing it into what Vietnam correspondent and feminist Frances Fitzgerald, called "a sadoporn flick coated with sentimentality and laced with every cliche of the Vietnam War."
There is a
reason this film wasn't called a documentary, junior.
"Casualties" is based upon a true story, but as anyone over Barney-watching age
should know, that isn't remotely the same thing as reality.
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Junior? Barney-watching age? What gives with the down-your-nose rudeness, Confederate Yankee?
Here's the deal: "Casualties of War" is a typical over-the-top DePalma movie with some invented combat scenes, and an invented attempted-fragging scene.
The movie is entirely accurate, however, in two key regards: the gang-rape and murder of the girl kidnapped by the recon patrol (it was every bit as brutal and bloody as portrayed on the screen); and the attempted cover-up of the incident by the chain of command (platoon leader and company commander, as shown in the movie, and battalion commander, too, as noted in a book written by the chaplain who finally reported the incident to division headquarters).
So, again, why the charge that the movie is "fiction"?
Unrepresentational of the American grunt experience in Vietnam? Yes. Fiction? Afraid not.
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PITA,
While I'm not the expert that you obviously are on this particular incident, I would still make the argument that the fictionalization of the real events (the "Hollywood" type combat scenes and fake latrine fragging attempt come to mind) to serve a "larger truth" are inaccurate enough to warrant calling the film fiction, even if key elements of the film was based upon real events.
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Well, fair enough, CY. I think we can agree on this: there's never been a movie about Vietnam, no matter what the political agenda, that did not fictionalize certain key aspects of the story.
And that's really too bad.
Put all the Vietnam movies in a blender (from The Green Berets to Platoon), and the viewer might get an accurate impression of how the war was really a hundred different wars, depending on when, where, and with what unit a soldier served.
Enough of my rambling.
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I accidentally put this comment in another post....
DePalma is a hack. He completely ruined The Black Dahlia. The pretentious little documentary about the killing that he stuck onto the DVD of that movie is laughable, no matter how gory. His fondness for such bloody fare makes me wonder if doing films like Redacted allows him to have his cake and eat it, too--in that he can satisfy his fondness for sadism even as he feigns outrage. Pervert actually means something, sometimes.
Posted by: clazy at September 04, 2007 10:48 PM (SI8Da)
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De Palma is a crappy director, used to be good but now he's lost it. However I have no problem with someone making a film about this incident. Iraq is not the same as WWII. In WWII an imperial power, germany, was the invader. Here America is the invader, and has a duty of care towards the Iraqi people - whose country they have demolished. America is not like germany in WWII, not a fascist nazi state. However in order that it never becomes one, incidents like the rape and murder of this girl and her parents must be exposed. Only by holding onesself to a higher standard can one hope to achieve that standard.
To crtiticise the filmaker for making a film about something that REALLY happened is moral cowardice. It DID happen . It IS a crime. It must NOT happen again. Covering it up, or hiding these things behind operational imperatives ensures that these rapes and murders are more likely to happen.
In vietnam we saw footage of the horrific things being done to the people of vietnam. The chemical weapons used on them, the napalm. The destroyed villages, the massacres of civilians. These images helped bring what was an unjust and unecessary war to an end. however NO SUCH FOOTAGE of iraq is being shown. No bodybags are shown of the young men sent to die in Iraq - why not? No combat footage is being shown on the news - why not? How is hiding the war from the public serving the troops?
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If I may extend the eating analogy, Wisdo, Hollywood is like a neurotic who will eat nothing but orange food, and Depalma is the man who makes cheese puffs.
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June 27, 2007
Ah... The Good Life
Yesterday, while scanning
Memeorandum.com to see what other bloggers were discussing, I was amused to find a post called "
Starting a War" that shows the vast disconnect between reality and fantasy as it relates to ever-changing situation in the Middle East, and with Iran in particular.
Let's see what Cernig has to say:
In an email this morning, Mr M at Comments From Left Field asked me "What happens if Iran DOES make an overt war act on the US?" Of course, the rightwing meme is that Iran has been carrying out both covert and overt acts of war for some time now - but any time someone who doesn't really want a war with iran looks at their evidence it ends up looking contrived, conspiratorial and, in essence, fabricated.
I know a "little something" about debunking questionable claims of Iranian involvement, having (as thoroughly as one can) debunked a claim by the U.K. Sun tabloid yesterday that Iranian Revolutionary Guards were helicoptering into Iraq to kill British soldiers. This was not the first claim of Iranian interference I debunked either; just 11 days ago, I proved that a February 12 claim made in the U.K. Telegraph that "more than 100" precision long-range .50 BMG rifles purchased by the Iranian government had been captured in Iraq by American forces, was unsubstantiated.
A liberal blogger acquaintance of mine, upon reading the second post, quipped to me via email, "Is George Soros sending you checks? I need to now if Soros is paying you more than he pays me."
I am an "honest dealer" on the subject of Iran.
Cernig, in my opinion, is not correct in implying that all the evidence "ends up looking contrived, conspiratorial and, in essence, fabricated."
It is true that many are ideologically opposed to accepting charges that Iran is involved in supplying ordnance, training, and even personnel to anti-government forces within Iraq.
The claims made, however, are as solid as one could possibly make without actually capturing uniformed Iranian soldiers firing weapons at American forces within Iraq.
We know, for example, that Iran has been supplying EFPs--explosively-formed penetrators--to Shia militias. EFPs are not a new technology, having been used for decades by militaries around the world. These are not, in theory, difficult weapons to build, and we have indeed captured indigenously-made EFPs and even captured facilities within Iraq where EFPs were being assembled. Making them effective against heavily-armored vehicles, however, is not a skill Iraqi machinists have the capability to replicate.
Iraqi fighters have been making their own versions of the weapons, but so far none has been effective against U.S. forces, Odierno said. The Iraqi-made projectiles, using brass and copper melted on stoves, have failed to fully penetrate U.S. armor and are more likely to be used against Iraqi forces, whose vehicles often have thinner armored protection than U.S. vehicles, U.S. military officials said.
"We have not seen a homemade one yet that's executed properly," Odierno said, adding that such weapons are not a major concern "as of yet."
Correctly machining to precise tolerances the copper disk that becomes the projectile is not a skill Iraqi elements have, and recovered projectiles--and in many instances, captured intact EFPs that failed to go off--have provided strong, finger-print-like clues as to the kind of machinery used to produce the more effective copper disks. The machining marks are said to indicate Iranian manufacture, as does chemical analysis of the C4 explosives used to form the projectile, and the specific construction of the passive infrared (IR) electronic triggers that detonate the weapons.
In addition to EFPs, Iranian-manufactured mortar shells of recent manufacture have been recovered, as well as Fajr-3 medium-range rockets, developed in and manufactured exclusively by Iran, that have been fired into Baghdad's Green Zone. Some even bear markings of the Iranian military:
In Iraq, Iranian 240mm rockets, which have a range of up to 30 miles and could significantly change the battlefield, have been used recently by Shiite extremists against U.S. and British targets in Basra and Baghdad, the officials said. Three of the rockets have targeted U.S. facilities in Baghdad's Green Zone, and one came very close to hitting the U.S. Embassy in the Iraqi capital, according to the U.S. officials.
The 240mm rocket is the biggest and longest-range weapon in the hands of Shiite extremist groups, U.S. officials said. Remnants of the rockets bear the markings of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps and are dated 2007, those sources said. The Tehran government has supplied the same weapon, known as the Fajr-3, to Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite militia.
We also know Iran has been training anti-government insurgent groups in Iraq, as captured Shia militiamen have readily confessed, and as have their commanders, who freely confirmed that information to the Associated Press:
Commanders of a group inside the Shiite Mahdi Army militia told the Associated Press that there are as many as 4,000 members of their militia who were trained in Iran and they have stockpiles of EFPs. The commanders spoke to AP on the condition of anonymity because the U.S. military considers their group illegal and giving their names would likely lead to their arrest and imprisonment.
Further, we have captured Iranian military personnel in Iraq, including senior Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) officer Mohsen Chizari in Baghdad on December 21, 2006. Also captured in Iraq--and still in U.S. custody, along with four other Iranian operatives--was Baqer Qabshavi, a colonel in the IRGC.
Contrived? Conspiratorial? Fabricated?
To someone with an apparent interest in denial at almost any cost, certainly, but not to anyone who retains objectivity, especially at a time when Iranian weapons shipments and training are not only on-going, but apparently increasing.
But Cernig's disconnect goes beyond questioning Iranian ordnance, training, and personnel, to an almost delusional of view of life within Iraq that echoes communist claims of just how great life was inside the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
My first reaction was "why the f**k would the do that? They may be theocrats but mostly they have a rational wish to keep their good lives intact and ongoing." Its undoubtably true that a war on Iran would be a disaster for the U.S. and its allies - it would accomplish none of the warmongers objectives except revenge for a decades-old insult at an embassy and would be highly counter-productive to U.S. and allied interests globally.
"Good lives?"
Somehow, I think their rioters may disagree:
Motorists set fire to petrol stations in Tehran today in an angry backlash against the Iranian government's decision to impose rationing.
One station in Pounak, a poor area of the capital, was set alight while another in eastern Tehran was partially burnt and two of its pumps were completely destroyed.
"Last night, there were a lot of fights, people were furious due to the sudden decision," a 55-year-old pump attendant told Reuters.
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The scenes of disorder put further political pressure on the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is already under fire for failing to deliver on promises to improve the economy after his election in 2005.
In May, the government reduced subsidies for petrol, causing a 25% jump in prices.
The government had been planning to implement rationing for weeks. It was supposed to begin on May 21 but was repeatedly put off amid fears that Iranians would react badly as they are used to cheap and plentiful petrol.
"This man, Ahmadinejad, has damaged all things. The timing of the rationing is just one case," said Reza Khorrami, a 27-year-old teacher who was queuing at one Tehran petrol station last night.
You'll note that the rioting was proximately caused by government-imposed mandatory fuel rationing, but an underlying cause of this rationing is Iran's stagnating economy, and no doubt the massive crackdown against anti-regime groups:
Iran is in the throes of one of its most ferocious crackdowns on dissent in years, analysts say. with the government focusing on labor leaders, universities, the press, women's rights advocates, a former nuclear negotiator and Iranian-Americans, three of whom have been in prison for more than six weeks.
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The hard-line administration of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the analysts said, faces rising pressure for failing to deliver on promises of greater prosperity from soaring oil revenue. It has been using U.S. support for a change in government as well as a possible military attack as the pretext to hound his opposition and its sympathizers.
If this is the "good life," I'll pass.
But the blissfully unaware description of Iran's domestic situation is no more disconnected than are Cernig's thoughts on why the United States may have cause to take action against Iran:
Its undoubtably true that a war on Iran would be a disaster for the U.S. and its allies - it would accomplish none of the warmongers objectives except revenge for a decades-old insult at an embassy and would be highly counter-productive to U.S. and allied interests globally.
Unless Cernig can compose a hasty rationalization to explain away these sentiments, it appears that he or she is firmly convinced that our current crisis with Iran is based solely upon "revenge" for the 1979-81 hostage crisis.
What?
The fact that Iran is supplying weaponry and training that the U.S. military claims has killed more than 170 American soldiers, and seems to be escalating their pace of doing so, might just be seen as more proximate cause to most rational people, as would Iran's continued eliminationist rhetoric toward the United States and U.S allies.
The continuing development of a suspected nuclear weapons program, and the proven and even bragged about development of intercontinental ballistic missiles and MIRV warheads is also a very real concern. While technically being capable of launching conventional warheads, in practice, almost all MIRVs mounted on ICBMs in the world's arsenal are nuclear in nature, and so it is irrational to assume Iran has developed these weapons systems for any other purpose.
While no doubt comforting to Cernig, these rationalizations fail to address either actual present reality or the concerns of the immediate and near-term future.
I'll skip past Cernig's next paragraph, which merely reiterates the laughable Iranian "good life" claim, and studiously seeks to deny any possible Iranian nuclear threat... actually, I'll skip the rest of the post entirely (though you might find Cernig's explanation of how we economically forced the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor somewhat amusing).
The rest of the post merely continues down a path built upon a shoddy foundation.
Sadly, we knew Cernig is probably not alone on the left or right, in attempting to create a docile, "artificial reality" Iran to ignore. Sadly, the inabilty of some to deal with actual reality versus a preferred reality may yet lead us into a far more lethal future.
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Hi CY,
That whole chunk of your post about the "good life" is based on a misinterpretation. I explicitly said the theocrats would want to keep their good life intact. Like the old Soviet Union and many another repressive regime, the folks in charge DO live a good life no matter how bad it gets for their common people.
As to the odious Iranian regime, I've posted often enough on my disgust with that regime. There are two such posts and links to two others on the frontpage right now. Ask Ali Eteraz, who I've been discussing such with. Sloppy research.
I debunked the Austian sniper rifles story within weeks of it appearing, not 11 days ago.
The independent experts disgree with the US military on the provenance of EFP's and whether Iraq can make effective ones on its own. Have a look in Newshoggers sidebar under the label "EFP" or read David Hambling's excellent work at the Danger Room.
Oh...and stoves don't get hot enough to melt copper or brass without modification. A standard propane stove heats to around 900 degrees farenheit. Copper melts at 1981 degrees and brass at 1724 degrees. Melting and casting such materials needs, at least according to the experts in the industry, a high-temperature firebrick foundry, a big industrial propane torch and a graphite crucible. Something basically wrong with the military's explanation there....
Indeed, the independent experts say it is simplicity itself to
form the disks correctly using a correctly configured metal press - once you have the math formulae for doing so. That's the difficult bit and the part Iran may have a hand in - although historically the formulae first fell into the hands of the IRA who promptly shared it with Hizbullah, FARC and others a couple of decades ago.
Mortar and Fajr 3 rounds? Pakistani arms bazaars claim they can duplicate any weapon right down to the serial numbers so well even the inventor cannot tell the difference. The black market in re-sold weapons sourced from corrupt government
individuals in the Middle East has never been stronger, some of the Iranian weapons have been shown to have been re-routed from Nigerian purchases, the entire area is a porous border (the old Silk Roads). Even Israel has arrested one officer for selling Iranian weapons into Iraq on the black market!
Occam's razor says that a sufficient explanation is good old black market private enterprise, no conspiracy theories required.
Maybe you need to go back and re-examine the military's claims, which the world's foremost independent expert on IED's and EFP's, Michael Knights, chief of analysis for the Olive Group, noted were entirely based upon the say-so of the notorious National Council of Resistance of Iran aka the Mujahedeen eKalq.
Regards, Cernig.
Posted by: Cernig at June 27, 2007 11:59 AM (IoRZM)
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Re: Riots and the Iranian economy.
Along with CY, Gateway, et.al., Spengler has been talking about the Iranian "Good Life" (?) for years.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/others/spengler.html
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Occam's razor says that a sufficient explanation is good old black market private enterprise, no conspiracy theories required.
And the mullahs would of course turn a blind eye towards this "good old" criminal enterprise because they want more sanctions and the US military taking aim at them, right? They're of course powerless to do anything about this, because law enforcement in a dictatorial state is so difficult, right?
Sounds perfectly logical to me.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 28, 2007 10:10 AM (G2DEp)
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The SUN is UK tabloid style paper - very similar in substance as our National Enquirer. Nothing in it is very factual.
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June 06, 2007
New RAF Nose Art Approved
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Because you never want to offend anyone before you kill them.
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I think I can see her big toe.
JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: phin at June 06, 2007 01:14 PM (CQcil)
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If you think the cartoons jihad was bad. Just see what is going to happen when they find out an infidel has a muslim girl as a pin up on his aircraft.
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davod,
Just so you know, I 'shopped that out of two completely different pictures I swiped off a Google image seach.
Said "infidel" has no markings on his plane outside of this blog.
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Desperate Non-Wives
Perhaps its just my perception, but perhaps the reason that there are so few men taking
wine-tasting and tennis classes in New York City is not that they are uninterested in the subject, but that the men who have these interests are already dating each other.
I'm kidding. Mostly.
Ann Althouse takes another stab at answering the question:
Men prefer to look at something they have decided to do and figure it out on their own. They like to observe, analyze, and discover. They accept the risks and enjoy the excitement of trial and error. They don't like sitting around having someone tell them what to do, and they aren't intrigued by the prospect of meeting women who spend so much time doing something they loathe.
Now, I just made that up, but it was no more made up than the explanation in the article.
Althouse is a lot closer to reality than the loopy NY Times reporter.
I don't know any of my male friends who would sign up for a class to learn how to do anything; typically if they're interested in a subject, they'll ask a buddy for pointers or just dive right in. The trial and error is part of what makes new experiences worthwhile.
Of course, the choice of activity matters a great deal as well.
Look at the list of classes chosen by these desperate women: "tennis, running, sailing, horseback riding, fitness boot camp and scuba diving classes" and "golf, cooking or music class," and "Thai kickboxing or jazz appreciation."
Now honestly... how men of these activities are of interest to most single straight men in the age groups these women are targeting? Cooking and music classes? Thai kickboxing and jazz appreciation? These might appeal to men when they get older, but most younger single men have very little interest in these subjects, and even if they did, as Althouse correctly observed, they'd just do it.
If these women wanted to meet men, they'll find out what men like and where they hang out, and go there.
Somehow, I doubt that advice will lead them back to a jazz appreciation class.
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I feel no sympathy whatsoever for any single person in NYC who is incapable of finding a mate. Having lived the the same neighborhood as she did, let me confirm what every single man already knows. GO TO A BAR FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! IF YOU WANT TO MEET A GUY GO TO A BAR, ORDER A DRINK, COUNT TO 10. Here's are three places to start. Molly's on 3rd Ave, Telephone Bar & Grill on 2nd Ave M J Armstrongs on 1st Ave.
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I don't know any older men either who are interested in those subjects. When I was interested in meeting men, I started a Monday Night Football Party at my house. Started with 3 guys who I already knew and were good friends and over the next three years the group grew to anywhere from 10 to 30 guys on any given night. As the group grew, I even made it "bring your own beer" but I always had the snacks and comfy chairs or big pillows to lounge on on the floor. At first I felt like I had to play hostess and would jump up and wait on the guys, but as the weeks went on they started treating me like their mascot and began to cater to my needs. Many of these Monday Night Football parties extended over to weekend BBQ's and other casual activities.
A girlfriend who stopped by unexpectedly said the next day, "how does a middle age average looking woman get some of the best looking guys in town to hang out with her?" My answer, "become one of the guys."
I'm happy to say that most of those guys are still good friends of mine and always invite me to any parties they have and this is 20 years later.
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There's only one activity in that list that require classes and that's scuba, otherwise you won't get certified. Maybe sailing because it's not an intuitive activity.
But jazz appreciation? You go, you listen, you appreciate. Or not.
Running? You put one foot in front of the other at a quicker pace than walking. That is called running. Class dismissed.
Horseback riding? There's a reason women enjoy this more than men.
The big problem is the women themselves. They get interested in something because they think men are interested? No. You get interested in something that interests you and then you meet people with the same interests.
Sweet Jeebus, how hard a concept is that to grasp?
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 01:20 PM (kxecL)
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Well that explains why these women are looking for men instead of men looking for them.
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What the hell do these women want to meet men for in the first place? They claim not to need them; have no respect for them; have made beatin' up on men, particularly white men, the national pasttime; and wouldn't know a real man - the kind worth having - if they fell over one. Which they probably have.
Reap = sow.
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Cindi!?!? They're going to pull your card.
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Nope, CoRev, they can bring it on but it's not gonna happen. I'm a firm believer and practioner of our 2A. Heh.
I calls 'em as I sees 'em; that's what a REAL WOMAN does.
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After 12 years in the Marines I have an intense distrust of anyone that goes running with nobody making them. Do people really take classes to learn how? Just move to a bad neighborhood. It worked for me.
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Ever since Rudy cleaned up Times Square it's been hard to find a bunch of available guys in one place.
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I was living in NYC in the '80s when that guy's parents got tired of paying for a professional student, so he went and started "The Learning Annex" distributed free on the street. You could sign up for courses in basket-weaving, wine and cheese tasting, how to lose a Brooklyn accent, how to get one for an acting job, etc.etc. We would read these at the pubs and wait till the gals came out to party. Never took one of those courses; if I want learn something, I just read blueprints and manuals, or find an expert on my own.
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"Now honestly... how men of these activities are of interest to most single straight men in the age groups these women are targeting?"
Hey! HEY! Scuba diving and golf - not activities straight men are interested in? Wrongo, bub. As someone else on this thread mentioned, classes are mandatory in scuba unless you're not looking to get certified. And, as someone who's enjoyed the sport since 18 years of age, I can tell you that anyone who doesn't feel they need the instruction is playing with his life.
As for golf: well, let's just say that 1) Tiger Woods still signs up for instruction and 2) I don't want to spend 10 years trying to figure it out on my own enough to not be the worst golfer within 50 miles!
I'm 100% with you on the jazz appreciation.
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In a collision of 21st-century science and decades-old conspiracy theories, a research team that includes a former top FBI scientist is challenging the bullet analysis used by the government to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald alone shot the two bullets that struck and killed President John F. Kennedy in 1963.
The "evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," concludes a new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A&M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.
The researchers' re-analysis involved new statistical calculations and a modern chemical analysis of bullets from the same batch Oswald is purported to have used. They reached no conclusion about whether more than one gunman was involved, but urged that authorities conduct a new and complete forensic re-analysis of the five bullet fragments left from the assassination in Dallas.
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Tobin, Spiegelman and James said they bought the same brand and lot of bullets used by Oswald and analyzed their lead using the new standards. The bullets from that batch are still on the market as collectors' items.
They found that the scientific and statistical assumptions Guinn used -- and the government accepted at the time -- to conclude that the fragments came from just two bullets fired from Oswald's gun were wrong.
"This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets," the researchers said. "If the assassination fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely," the researchers said. If the five fragments came from three or more bullets, that would mean a second gunman's bullet would have had to strike the president, the researchers explained.
If I'm reading this right, there is no new evidence of a second shooter, just a criticism of the bullet analysis used at the time.
How they can jump from questioning the methodology, to postulating that there may have been three or more bullets and a second gunman, should be a red flag. They have no data to support their third bullet/second gunman theories.
Retro-Trutherism. How chic.
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The story is by ex-AP's John Solomon who is famous for jumping to conclusions.
Posted by: not the senator at May 17, 2007 10:04 AM (yfKhZ)
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Maybe Teddy will start advancing the theory that there was a second driver that evening in Chappaquiddick. Oh wait, he'll never get asked about it.
Posted by: Buckley F. Williams at May 17, 2007 10:23 AM (/XWKc)
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Oswald was a nutcase. It was his rifle found at the book depository, they did a roll-call of all employees after the shooting who had clocked-in that morning, and only Oswald was missing. I've never worked for a commercial ammunition maker, but I'm sure lot numbers on boxes in 1963 were hardly reliable. We didn't have bar codes then.
Posted by: Tom TB at May 17, 2007 10:56 AM (2nDll)
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Back in college my Intro to Historical Methods class focused on the Kennedy assassination. I think that most of us finished the semester more confused about what had happened than we had been before we began, but there were two pieces of evidence that had me wondering: first, testing (during the House Select Committee examination, I think) showed that it was not possible to fire Oswald's rifle as quickly as it needed to be fired to replicate the shooting as shown in the Zapruder film; second, the unscathed bullet that purportedly fell out of Kennedy onto the stretcher at the hospital.
Neither, of course, is conclusive of anything, but they were the biggest pieces of the puzzle that I couldn't fit in anywhere.
Also: let's remember that there
are, in fact, conspiracies in the world. This may not be one of them, but questioning The Received Wisdom doesn't of necessity make one a nut.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 17, 2007 01:46 PM (nrafD)
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Discovery channel did a show where they duplicated everything Oswald did that many people claimed was impossible. They timed the shooting with someone actually walking those same steps. They timed his walk home. And they even duplicated his shot nearly exactly. The only difference is in their shot the bullet hit two ribs instead of one and didn't have enough energy to penetrate the leg. Otherwise the bullet took the exact same, extremely unlikely patch that it would have during the assassination. Of course, this doesn't rule out a conspiracy, and someone else could have been involved, but him being the lone gunman is entirely plausible.
Posted by: n2sooners at May 17, 2007 04:07 PM (6h6gx)
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Get ready for Rosie to declare that human bone has never fragmented bullets.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at May 17, 2007 07:11 PM (0jtcT)
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I've never understood why people have no problems accepting that Squeaky Fromme and Hinckley were nutcases, nothing more, while they construct elaborate conspiracy theories around Oswald.
He was just a nutcase who happened to not miss. Squeaky and Hinckley missed. Could have gone the other way for any of these situations.
Posted by: Moon6 at May 17, 2007 09:25 PM (7IyUR)
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Check out the book "Mortal Error" by the gentleman that demonstrated that a shooter could get off 3 rounds accurately within the span of time that Oswald had.
Ironically the writer comes to the conclusion that the 3rd shot that blew off the back of President Kennedy's head most likely was accidental round from a member of the Secret Service detail who was standing in the moving limousine which followed the vehicle that carried the president.
The scenario: The driver of the president's vehicle speed up when he realized that they had come under fire and then the driver of the trailing limo accelerated to keep up. This caused the Secret Serviceman to fall back & squeeze off an accidental round motorcade. So there is possibl ity of a 2nd gunman without a conspiracy.
Posted by: moremeaning at May 17, 2007 11:39 PM (Vtop3)
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This cockroach-like conspiracy theory has been allowed to fester for 40-odd years and we wonder why Rosie and friends can get a mind numbingly high percentage of the American people to believe their crap!
The beauty of conspiracy theories is that anything that tends to disprove the theory automatically becomes part of the conspiracy. It's the same childish magical thinking that pervades the Middle East with stories of x-ray glasses on our soldier and force fields on our tanks.
Americans like to think we are pretty sophisticated but too many are living in the intellectual equivalent of mud huts by the Euphrates.
Posted by: TBinSTL at May 19, 2007 02:48 AM (MSiPb)
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Sorry, guys, but believing that the Warren Commission conclusion is wrong is not at all the same as trutherism -- far, from from it. I am a litigating lawyer with 30 years experience who, among other things, deals with evidence in my profession. After reading a lot about the JFK assassination and watching the Zapruder film, I concluded that it was not Lee Harvey Oswald shooting from the Texas Book Depository Building. The Warren Commission conclusion does not work -- too many impossibilities (e.g., the "magic bullet," the "neuromuscular reaction" supposedly causing JFK's head to snap back duplicating what would happen if he were shot from grassy knoll), too much in the way of contradictory evidence (eyewitness accounts of seeing what appeared to be a shots from the grassy knoll), statements by the attending Parkland medical people who based on the wounds, placed the shots as coming from the front, and autopsy evidence that appears contaminated. As for what did really happened on November 22, 1963, I think that it is not something that we will likely ever know. Based on everything, I think that there was some kind of conspiracy or perhaps a series of conspiracies. What it or they were, one can't tell.
Posted by: Phil Byler at May 19, 2007 06:58 PM (qthJd)
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To moon6: it is not a matter of resisting the idea that Oswald might have been a nut case. It is a matter of the evidence of what happened on November 22, 1963 in Dallas that does not square with the Warren Commission conclusion about Oswald but that does square with Oswald being what he said he was -- a patsy. By the way, he was, according to the Marine records, a terrible shot.
To n2sooners: the Discovery Channel program was clever, but it did not establish much of anything. What counts are: that you had to be able to shoot 3 shots from the unsighted rifle that Oswald supposedly used, be in the first floor cafeteria 90 seconds later drinking a coke with no one having seen you traverse down from the sixth floor and later in the police station test nagative for rifle discharge residue; that the "magic bullet" take the trajectory it supposedly did causing as much damage as it supposedly did and come out pristine; that the JFK head snap backward, seen on the Zapruder film, could not have been caused by a neuromuscular reaction (too fast and too pronounced) and thus had to be caused by a shot from the front where 50 witnesses thought was where the shots came from; and that the Parkland medical statements about the wounds placed the sots coming from the front (grassy knoll was in the front and the Texas Book Depository Building was in the rear).
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May 14, 2007
Edu-Terrorism
A question for parents: how would you feel if your child's teacher
terrorized your child?
Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.
The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.
"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.
But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.
"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.
The children in this incident emerged physically unscathed, but that outcome was not guaranteed. The students could have just as easily panicked and attempted to escape, at which point the 69 student could have trampled one another, causing serious injuries.
The school principal, Catherine Stephens, in a hidious understatement, said that the staff members involved exhibited "poor judgment." The school Web site says the teachers involved considered the act of edu-terrorism a "prank."
Poor judgement? A prank? A teacher berating a child in front of their class for getting an answer wrong exhibits poor judgment. A camp prank is "short-sheeting" a bed.
The staff and teachers of Scales Elementary School premeditated and carried out a plot in which almost six dozen children were purposefully convinced they might die. In any other situation, such a threat, serious or not, would and should be viewed as a criminal act.
A real example of poor judgment in this instance would be the continued employment of these sadists as teachers. I hope that Murfreesboro City Schools has better judgement than that.
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Disgusting. Let's pretend to drive their school bus off a cliff! Let's pretend to poison their food! Let's pretend to sexually molest them! That'll show the little buggers what life is like.
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May 04, 2007
France Once Again Threatened By Vague Violence, People
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On the last day of official campaigning, opinion polls showed Sarkozy enjoyed a commanding lead over Royal, who accused the former interior minister of lying and polarizing France.
"Choosing Nicolas Sarkozy would be a dangerous choice," Royal told RTL radio.
"It is my responsibility today to alert people to the risk of (his) candidature with regards to the violence and brutality that would be unleashed in the country (if he won)," she said.
Pressed on whether there would be actual violence, Royal said: "I think so, I think so," referring specifically to France's volatile suburbs hit by widespread rioting in 2005.
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At the start of her campaign, Royal refused to refer to her opponent, but with time running against her she has changed tactics and has relentlessly lambasted him this past week.
On Friday she said he had exacerbated social tensions during his time as interior minister and added that he was unable to enter some neighborhoods for fear of provoking violence. The suburbs were hit by widespread riots in 2005.
Wouldn't it help if we knew which groups Royal thought might riot, and the nature of the social tensions that would cause them to do so?
If they can't confront the problem enough to even mention who was rioting (primarily poorly assimilated North African Muslim youths) and why (economic hopelessness, cultural divides, among others), then they will never solve the underlying problems leading to this kind of behavior.
Get used to the idea of vague people starting riots for vague reasons in France for many years to come.
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Hmm, left blasting the right for no rational reason except to get more votes. Sounds familiar...
Posted by: Justin at May 04, 2007 02:15 PM (NiTuu)
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She's desperate, so she's resorting to mudslinging in a last forlorn attempt to frighten people into voting for her. The french left has been doing that scare tactic for weeks now.
A socialist mate of mine came in the other day saying that if Sarko wins we're all in deep shit. I asked him what he was talking about. Seems he'd read some scary article in a left-leaning magazine about Sarkozy, painting him as some kind of neo-nazi. In reality they're not scared of Sarko, they're scared of the "youths'" reaction to him being elected.
One thing's for sure, just like the increased muslim violence in Thailand (since the putch that gave the country it's muslim PM) is "in spite of" having a muslim PM. Any violence in France, even if it decreases compared to previously, will be "because of" Sarkozy.
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May 01, 2007
Illusions of Safety
As many of you know, I work part-time at a sporting goods store behind the gun counter. This past Saturday, a rather frail couple I'd estimate to be in their early fifties--a local man, and his sister visiting from Florida, they said--stopped me to ask where they could find a whistle.
An orange whistle; they were very adamant about that.
We didn't happen to have any orange whistles in stock, and I inquired as to why they were so intent on getting a whistle in that particular color. The brother informed me that they had had a rash of recent muggings in the community in Florida where the sister lived, and they thought that whistle was the best way to protect her against a possible mugging.
My eyebrows went up with that. I asked where she intended to keep the whistle, and she stated quickly, as if I was daft, that she'd keep it in her purse.
I just looked at them for a few seconds, hoping they'd make the connection.
They didn't.
"You mean the same purse that a mugger would likely grab?" I offered, trying to point out their obviously flawed logic. Instead of realizing their Carlos Mencia "dee dee dee!" moment, they shifted gears.
"What about pepper spray?"
"And where would you keep that?"
She started to answer, "In my pu-"
The brother, starting to get agitated, cut her off.
"Do you have it, or not?" he said tersely.
I replied that we didn't, and then I took the conversation where they didn't want to go.
"Ma'am, you live in Florida, correct?"
She did.
"You are aware that Florida have one of the most liberal concealed carry laws in the United States?"
I may as well have suggested raping a chicken. The looks of horror and disgust should have been comical, but all I felt was sad.
At that point I gave up and directed them to the closest place that I was aware of that had pepper spray for sale. They left, very quickly. I never did find out why they were so adamant about having an orange whistle. Perhaps they thought muggers were afraid of that particular color.
A whistle has not, as far as I am aware, stopped a determined assailant, as often as I've heard them recommended as a form of self defense by one un-serious group or another. All an assailant has to do it pluck it from your lips, or more likely, attempt to use his fist to smash it down your throat.
Whistles only provide the illusion of safety, which is all these people and others like them actually want. They want to think they're taking steps to protect themselves or others, even when they aren't.
I almost never have to time to take these customers down the logical path, as they typically eject themselves from the conversation once their illusion is challenged.
I'd love to ask them what they expect to happen if they are able to actually blow their whistle, but rarely get the chance.
Do they expect that a police officer will just happen to be within the hundred-yard or so range of such a whistle, with his radio off and his squad car windows down so that he can hear their single, brief bleat?
Do they expect other citizens to come running to their rescue and potentially place their lives in jeopardy, when the victims themselves would not?
Whistlers, however you cut it, are sheep... and self-important, arrogant sheep at that.
Whatever their physical gifts, they are psychologically unwilling to defend themselves, and yet expect others to come running to their rescue when things get predatory. They don't want the responsibility of protecting their own lives, and expect others to do it for them.
Bring on more unarmed victim zones. Buy more whistles. Expect others to come to your defense, even though you wouldn't come to theirs.
Baaaaa...
I hope orange whistle lady wises up, but I'm rather sadly confident that she won't. Some illusions are just too comforting for some people to let go of them, not matter how useless and stupid they are.
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She's evidentally aware there's danger out there but she wants to blow a whistle, like a referee, so the good team will come beat up the bad team.
I can't add any more to what else you've said, you nailed it.
Posted by: Cindi at May 01, 2007 01:07 PM (asVsU)
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Maybe this is a micro-version of the "world opinion" trope. You know that one--so and so nation/dictator/religious cult will be cowed and deterred from their (genocide, aggression, ethnic cleansing, etc., etc.) by the so-called " world opinion" of them.
In these little lamb's minds, maybe they think a collection of disapproving viewers will deter an attacker from committing the violence driven by his (greed, insanity, drugs, alcohol, whatever).
otoh, I really try not to understand the thinking of the delusional left. It hurts and I inevitably fail to get the knack of it.
Posted by: iconoclast at May 01, 2007 02:03 PM (Hw3Rs)
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"Fifties"?? "Frail"???? WTF??
I don't think that I've ever met a "frail" fifty-something - at least, not a healthy one...
But then, I'm not from Florida...
Posted by: Diogenes at May 01, 2007 03:12 PM (2MrBP)
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The obvious answer is to stock orange whistles and charge a LOT of money for them ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 01, 2007 03:56 PM (CPya5)
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Maybe she does not trust herself to be able to pull the trigger if she needed to. Some people are unable to take that kind of action. And if she had a gun, and she was unable to pull the trigger, the end result of this person having a firearm is that it will fall into the hands of criminal - thus giving the leftards more "ammunition" to seek the abolishment of the personal ownership of firearms.
Of course, she could just be a leftard gun control fascist with an unrealistic view of humanity and society's obligations to her.
If you are afraid of guns, you should not carry and it sounds like she might be.
And in the spirit of Purple Avenger's comment -
So, which companies make orange whistles and are they publicly traded?
Posted by: Rich at May 01, 2007 04:17 PM (lF2Kk)
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It does indeed sound like these people are afraid of guns, and for me that is a good reason to keep them out of their hands.
Of course, you would probably call me a leftard--whatever that is--except that personal attacks raise the ire of the proprietor on this site.
The point of the whistle, by the way, is that bad guys don't like loud noises that call attention to what they are doing--it is not a question of using it as a way to summon help.
It probably won't--but the bad guy doesn't know that. He thinks he sees an easy target, and when he (or she) realizes that things might get complicated, other options start looking better--like finding another victim. This, by the way, is the reason we all lock our cars--opportunity makes a thief, after all.
Of course this will not always work--and it may not even work very often. But a gun might not be any more effective, if the bad guy gets the drop on his victim, or if the person holding it is a frail 50-year-old likely to twitch and miss, or fail to fire. The point is that not everyone is capable of using firearms correctly, even after training. I saw plenty of people like this in the Army. If they need a second or third best option, why complain?
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 01, 2007 06:38 PM (GXwTB)
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and she was unable to pull the trigger, the end result of this person having a firearm is that it will fall into the hands of criminal
Put on your criminal hat and see if this makes sense. I'd run like hell if an intended victim pulled a gun on me. The guys who tried to carjack me back in 93' or 94' ran like hell when I pulled the gun on them.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 01, 2007 08:25 PM (CPya5)
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R. Stanton, I believe you are right that perps don't like anything that calls attention to their attempt at crime. However, CY made a excellent point in his questioning the lady - how are is she going to blow a whistle that's in the purse that is being pulled from her hands?
Posted by: MikeM at May 01, 2007 08:35 PM (sLjIv)
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Where will she carry the gun? It is no more effective in her purse than a whistle.
Holster, I guess. I agree that CY is right to say that whatever method you use, access is important.
Whistles can be hung around the neck (though a rope around the neck gives the bad guy something to grab). Remember to use a breakable chain.
A frail 50-year-old who is afraid of guns and likely to panic is probably beyond help from whistles or guns, wherever carried. This, of course, is why the bad guy chooses the weakest, and why we need police forces and other systems for deterring them. It does not, of course, always work, but neither does concealed carry, at least not for this person.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 01, 2007 08:57 PM (uGsI4)
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I may as well have suggested raping a chicken.
Quit picking on me, CY. That chicken was asking for it.
Posted by: Lex Steele at May 01, 2007 10:56 PM (xy13o)
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The way I see it, CY and R. Stanton Scott both made good points. Not everyone should carry a gun, criminals wish to remain low key.
A gun will scare them away, a whistle will make them wish they were somewhere else.
The violence can come at them either way, if they are afraid of pulling the trigger and stand there shaking like Barny Fife, the crook may not be so scared and may end up with a gun.
Of course a whistle force fed down your throat doesn't taste very good either.
I guess everyone has to find their comfort zone.
By the way, most Boating stores carry INTERNATIONAL ORANGE Whistles.
Posted by: Retired Navy at May 02, 2007 05:31 AM (Mv/2X)
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There are purses specifically designed for firearms with fast side access pouches. I imagine one could put a whistle in it ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 02, 2007 07:37 AM (CPya5)
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When I was in high school (back inthe dark ages)(also known as the early 70s) my high school band went to a music competition in Hawaii. One of the clarinet players mothers bought her a nice shiney metal "rape whistle." She was instructed to wear the whistle on a chain around her neck and if anyone bothered her she should blow it as loud as she could.
On the plane ride over one of my friends asked what was on the chain she was wearing and she proudly showed us. We asked her to demonstrate the whistle for us. Seeing as we were on a crowded airplane she refused. In many ways she was smarter than we were.
For the next couple days we endlessly badgered her to blow the whistle for us. She kept insisting that it was for emergencies only.
Being young and stupid we were not willing to accept that answer so the next evening when the whistle bearer and two of her friends walked around an isolated corner near an outdoor shopping center we jumped them.
One of us grabbed each girl, pinning her arms to her sides and slapping a hand over her mouth. The fourth "criminal" in our group grabbed the chain around the whistle bearers neck and tugged the whistle out of her blouse. At least that was the plan. Unfortunately the chain was too long and the whistle tangled up on some mysterious item of clothing under her blouse. The chain broke leaving the whistle lodged in a place where any of us would have loved to go looking for it.
But since we were just young and stupid, and not really intent on doing harm, we turned the girls so they could see who had grabbed them, then slowly released them while asking the whistle bearer to please retrieve her whistle.
As she pulled it from it's hiding place we each took a hold of one of the girls again and the fourth member of the group (who had lost the contest to see who didn't get to grab a girl) snatched the whistle from her hand and blew it three times as loud as his tuba player lungs could manage.
Then we stood there for what seemed like forever but in reality was probably only several seconds, while nothing happened. Finally I nudged the girl I was loosely holding and told her to scream.
She looked at me like I was crazy, but went ahead and screamed. In middle of her scream I put my hand suddenly back over her mouth.
We all waited again for several seconds. Finally a voice from around the corner interrupted our little experiment by yelling at us "If you damned kids don't stop making all that racket I'm calling the police."
At this point we reluctantly released the girls, handed the whistle bearer back her whistle, said "Yep, that's gonna to do you a lot of good." and walked away.
Maybe she needed an orange whistle...
The downside of this story is that for the next three days, every time those girls wanted to go anywhere they made us guys go with them. The upside is we got to spend our last three days with those three girls.
After we returned home the whistle bearer was grounded for two weeks. Apparently in relating her opinions of her parent's attempts to protect her she got a little personal with the comments like "stupid and useless." But once her grounding was over her parents allowed her to take some self defense classes. The next summer when a bunch of us were clowning around I grabbed her from behind and suddenly found my self being slammed painfully into the ground. Damned that girl learned fast!
Posted by: David at May 02, 2007 10:44 AM (NmR1a)
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Just remember the pepper spray isnt a fail safe, and mace isnt permitted in several states.
Working as a security guard at a bar last summer we all had to get sprayed. Myself and two others never had our eyes forced shut, after it took a few seconds for the burning to take effect. I know that if I were after someone's purse or w/e and they sprayed me, it would just anger me and make me much more likely to deck them in the process.
Posted by: Frank at May 02, 2007 11:13 AM (XHdMl)
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Odd that I've never heard the argument, "If YOU won't do anything to protect YOURSELF, why would you expect someone else to do it for you?" That's deep.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 02, 2007 11:54 AM (Pf2Xd)
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I'm originally from St. Louis and I've been mugged twice in my hometown. It's a violent and dangerous city. It also has a conceal-and-carry law.
Even after being mugged twice, I still wouldn't apply for a conceal-and-carry permit. I really don't see the justice in shooting some poor guy who's so desperate for cash that he'll break the law. To me, life is more important than private property — even the life of a criminal. And I know that the idea of having a concealed weapon is not to inflict violence, but to be used as a threat to stop violence. But just the possibility that I might accidentally pull the trigger and kill the assailant, a bystander, anyone, is just a risk I'm not willing to take. I also saw what taking another's life did to my grandfather in WW II. I really want to avoid that kind of suffering if I can.
IÂ’m pretty sure the frail 50 year-old woman was coming from a position similar to my own.
Posted by: dmarek at May 02, 2007 04:08 PM (/d9rW)
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dmarek, that was the argument used in the old days, vis a vis just give 'em what they want and they'll leave you alone, and, when plane-hijacked, just stay calm, do what you're told and you will be ok.
The bad guys have changed the rules to steal your stuff and kill you anyway just because....., and, hijack the plane and fly it into a building.
Posted by: Cindi at May 02, 2007 05:55 PM (asVsU)
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Silly Confederate Yankee! Those people were obviously University of Florida Gator fans!
Posted by: Don at May 02, 2007 06:21 PM (nusRo)
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I'm going into every sporting goods store in the greater Raleigh area and asking for an orange whistle.
I'll let you know when I find one.
And the guy that gives me a dirty look...that will be CY.
Posted by: Larry at May 02, 2007 10:40 PM (Uewxa)
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"... I really don't see the justice in shooting some poor guy who's so desperate for cash that he'll break the law. ..."
You certainly have a right NOT to defend yourself, but where do your loved ones find justice when "some poor guy" decides to kill you for your wallet?
Posted by: DoorHold at May 03, 2007 12:34 PM (SM/Wg)
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Hey David,
That's an awesome story. Do you have any more examples of when you criminally harassed innocent schoolgirls that you'd like to share? I sure hope that you taught them a lesson and that the young girl with the whistle was provided with a gun by her parents every subsequent time she was flying off on a school trip so that she could protect herself from the likes of you and your friends. You sure taught her a lesson!!!
Posted by: Lawnguylander at May 03, 2007 12:47 PM (00ME/)
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The bad guys have changed the rules to steal your stuff and kill you anyway just because....., and, hijack the plane and fly it into a building.
Jihadis are into purse-snatching now? How about littering and tagging? Be careful, they'll be TP-ing your lawn next.
Posted by: g at May 03, 2007 01:43 PM (21cc4)
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If nothing else, David certainly taught her that she is far more likely to be sexually assaulted by someone she knows than by some random stranger. Way to go, Dave!
Posted by: RobW at May 03, 2007 02:20 PM (akVrZ)
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The point has already been made, but I'd like to highlight it.
If a whistle and mace are useless because they'd be kept in the very purse an attacker would immediately grab, how is a gun kept in said purse any more useful?
Posted by: brad at May 03, 2007 02:21 PM (CHRyK)
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Hey Lawnguylander,
Sorry, no more stories about harassing innocent school girls. However we all stayed friends for several years and I have a few embarassing stories where those "innocent school girls" used the things they learned in their martial arts classes to kick the crap out of us guys on occasion. All in good clean fun of course. We all had to learn the hard way to never challenge a girl who has already proven that she know how to hurt you to a wrestling match or a football game.
No, the girl's parents didn't provide her with a gun for subsequent school trips. She went out armed with something much more useful - the knowledge that she has to depend on herself for protection, not the benevolence of total strangers. That, some martial arts training, and the advice from her Dad - "Stick with those boys, they may be annoying at times, but if trouble happens they will likely sacrifice themselves to give you time to run away."
He was right. As young and stupid teenagers we were smart enough to know that a whistle will not protect you. A lesson apparently many of todays "adults" have never learned. But then, and now, us guys believed that you protect your friends. Even if you have to "criminally harass" them a little to teach them a lesson. After all isn't that what friends are for?
For the record, what you call "criminal harassment", the girls involved as described as "stupid and annoying." When one of their mother's asked if they were scared her daughter asked "Of those clowns?"
To everyone else - sorry I just did a bad thing - I fed a troll.
Posted by: David at May 03, 2007 02:26 PM (y6dNe)
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Dave said "The downside of this story is that for the next three days, every time those girls wanted to go anywhere they made us guys go with them. The upside is we got to spend our last three days with those three girls."
those three girls were clearly suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
Dave, that's the creepiest little comment I've read in a long while.
Posted by: Candy at May 03, 2007 02:29 PM (tl8W8)
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if I were writing a post entitled "Illusion of Safety" I would write about airport screenings, no fly lists, warrantless wiring tapping, rendition, and loss of habeas corpus, rather than the War on Whistles.
But I guess I am just a "leftard".
Posted by: Kathleen at May 03, 2007 02:34 PM (f4eMp)
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We all had to learn the hard way to never challenge a girl who has already proven that she know how to hurt you
So David just confined his criminal assault behavior to the weak and frail.
Next up - David tells us a little story about how he learned to hurt them where it doesn't show when they go out in public.
Posted by: g at May 03, 2007 02:36 PM (21cc4)
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Cindi. Yeah... I've never been robbed by a terrorist, and I doubt that the two guys who robbed me used my grand total of $40 bucks to slam a plane into a target of interest. In fact, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that St. Louis isn’t exactly a city with a high terrorist population — or any terrorists, for that matter. St. Louis ? Tehran.
DoorHold. Speaking from experience, I never felt threatened when I got robbed. The second guy even gave me my wallet back after he took out the money and realized that I didn't have any credit cards. (Note: When heading to South St. Louis or North County, just bring cash. Leave the credit cards at home.) As bad the St. Louis inner city is, it's not Gotham City, and I really can't envision either of my two muggings ending in a Wayne-family-like murder. The guys were poor, and looked very, very hungry. They didnÂ’t look like wild-eyed killers with an insatiable thirst for blood.
If you want to have a weapon and get a conceal-and-carry permit, that’s great. As much as I disagree with the law, the voters spoke and it’s on the books in Missouri. Democracy in action. But knowing veterans and police officers that had to use their weapon in the course of duty, consider what killing someone — even a “bad guy” — could do to you. Then consider whether or not our tax dollars might be better spent better funding our police force or even setting up a surveillance infrastructure like they have in London.
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We all had to learn the hard way to never challenge a girl who has already proven that she know how to hurt you to a wrestling match or a football game.
Silly me, I took the easy way out by telling my son that being violent with girls is wrong and cowardly. He seems to have gotten the message but your comments leave me wondering whether I've done the right thing. Do you think it would be better if I advised him to manhandle a few for their own good? It seems to me that such advice from his dad would lead to social isolation and even a criminal record but your contrarian view is intriguing. Do continue.
Posted by: Lawnguylander at May 03, 2007 03:23 PM (00ME/)
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Silly me, I took the easy way out by telling my son that being violent with girls is wrong and cowardly. He seems to have gotten the message but your comments leave me wondering whether I've done the right thing. Do you think it would be better if I advised him to manhandle a few for their own good?
I'd probably advise against that, even if it has worked for two generations of Kennedys and our last President.
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I'd probably advise against that, even if it has worked for two generations of Kennedys and our last President.
Thanks for the advice, CY. What if the girl in question is the chancellor of Germany. Is it OK then?
Posted by: Lawnguylander at May 03, 2007 03:36 PM (00ME/)
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Thanks for the advice, CY. What if the girl in question is the chancellor of Germany. Is it OK then?
I would think that is every bit as acceptable as is the similar guesture as applied to the
Speaker of the House.
Or so I would think.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 03, 2007 03:45 PM (9y6qg)
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Hot air using the daily show?
Sheesh.
The right wing truly has no shame.
Posted by: brad at May 03, 2007 03:53 PM (CHRyK)
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So what are you saying, CY? That both Bush and Reid were wrong? Because then we're in agreement. Oh no!
Posted by: Lawnguylander at May 03, 2007 04:11 PM (00ME/)
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Having a gun didn't save the 92 year old woman when the cops kicked down her door and shot her something like 20 times, did it?
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Not Quite Innocent
Terry Moran is sure to be creamed for this contrarian opinion, but I
tend to think he's right:
So as we rightly cover the vindication of these young men and focus on the genuine ordeal they have endured, let us also remember a few other things:
They were part of a team that collected $800 to purchase the time of two strippers.
Their team specifically requested at least one white stripper.
During the incident, racial epithets were hurled at the strippers.
Colin Finnerty was charged with assault in Washington, DC, in 2005.
The "Duke Three" are without a doubt innocent of the crimes of rape and kidnapping levied by a mentally-disturbed stripper and a dishonest district attorney, but they are not innocents. There is a huge distinction between being innocent of a crime, and some of the comments made during the defense lawyer's press conference that painted these three young men as almost being ripe for canonization.
They are part of a group that deserves criticism for their actions. These three young men are not criminals, but nor should they or their teammates be made into heroes. We should be able to redress the travesty of justice committed against them without making them into idols or figureheads of purity, when they clearly are not.
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Hmmmm.... Not so sure I agree. While it's true they are not pictures of purity, there aren't many young men in college who are. Moran's piece comes across as snarky and seems to try and justify the treatment they received because they're white and privileged. Podhoretz does a good job of taking apart the Moran post at The Corner, here:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTEzMGY2YmVkNzJkOWE4OGExNWUxMzgxZmRiMjIyMjk=
Posted by: mindnumbrobot at April 13, 2007 11:30 AM (d5LvD)
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Main point to entire story is not students’ behavior. Definitely they are not heroes, idols or saints. They did not choose get into a spot light and never claimed sainthood. Main point of the story is that our legal system is corrupt from street cop and up. Unless there is no price to pay for those who falsely accuse and even worse covered and/or fabricate evidence we are all in a grave danger. I have been there. I know. I wish no one would have to learn that “the students way”.
Posted by: Martimon at April 13, 2007 11:36 AM (hjX2J)
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Whoa, wait just a minute. There's no evidence that these three guys hired the strippers, or that they were in any way involved in name-calling or whatever else led up to the false accusations. In fact, there's solid evidence that at least one of them (Seligmann) and perhaps another (Finnerty) left the party before the strippers got down to business. It's certainly reasonable to assume, based on those actions, that they did not want any part of the strip show, thought it was inappropriate and took steps to remove themselves from the situation. That's behavior we should be applauding, not, as Moran does, ignore it and continue to smear these guys as sleaze bags.
To leap from being at a college party to being charged with forcible rape and sodomy--and kidnapping!--isn't just unfair, it's insane! These guys did NOTHING illegal (since there's no evidence that I'm aware of that they were drinking alcohol, even if it was at the party). Even if one of these three was guilty of underage drinking, to say that this action makes it okay to in essence say that they got what they deserved is grotesque.
Posted by: Martian Man at April 13, 2007 11:42 AM (8VScv)
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I'm missing something ... What, exactly, does their prior behavior have to do with the case against them? They could be misogynist racists of the worst kind and that would have WHAT to do with being dragged through the courts on demonstrably false charges?
Posted by: DoorHold at April 13, 2007 12:02 PM (Ca5qr)
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Perhaps I should clarify that I'm not agreeing with all of Moran's blog entry (I most certainly don't). I just agree with the sentiment that they are innocent, but not
innocents.
As I listened to the lawyer's press conference (local radio here) after the case was dropped, the lawyers swung the pendulum too far in the other direction, attempting to paint the lacrosse players as near saints.
I don't think these guys are bad kids (well, Finnerty in questionable), but absolutely normal college kids.
Trying to portray them as wronged saints or superbly moral young men as the lawyers laid it on thick during their press conference is just as stupid as trying to pin on them a crime they didn't commit.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 13, 2007 12:37 PM (9y6qg)
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As pointed out above, two of the defendants cleared out as soon as they had a chance. It's been known about Reade Seligman for a while. Colin Finnerty's just spoken for the first time on his whereabouts that night
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/longisland/ny-liduke135169193apr13,0,5792628.story?coll=ny-linews-print
Dave Evans lived in the house.
As far as Colin Finnerty's DC incident, the judge set aside the verdict some time ago saying, in effect, "What the hell was I thinking?"
The lacrosse team made a dumb decision one night. They let the two liars into the house. Young people can make dumb mistakes from time to time. Any parent knows this. They've been telling the truth ever since.
Compare this to the long-term behavior of the so-called adults
1) A 27-yo woman lies about rape and continues to lie for a year and is lying about it to this day. She could have stopped any time.
2) The DA, a sworn officer of the court, uses this lie to exploit a racial divide for his own personal gain. He knew it was a lie and could have stopped any time. Any one of his ADAs or the DPD could have blown the whistle on the lie at any time. They were silent and are still silent.
3) Half the voting citizens of Durham buy into the lie even after it was clear the DA was trying to railroad three men. They had plenty of time and information to consider their vote.
4) A university faculty that rushed to start an on-campus cultural war using the lie as an exemplar aided and abetted by a (best you can say about him) passive university president. They are still unwilling to take responsibility for their acting on the lie. In fact, most of them continue to act as if the lie is true. "Fake but true".
5) A press, with a very few notable exceptions, that so bought into the lie that they promoted the lie as the truth. What happened to a skeptical treatment of the claims of the government?
Compared to the cold, calculating, craven, cowardly and malicious people who used one dumb mistake for their own self gain, the members of the lacrosse team ARE innocents. But after the behavior of the supposedly responsible people around them they are innocents no more.
With all that, anyone continuing to jump up and down on the remains of last year's lacrosse team has climbed into the same sinking ship with Nifong and the rest. The sharks are circling. Enjoy your swim.
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Locomotive Breath, perhaps you need to realize that the "with us or or against" construct you're advocating is
precisely the flip-side of the same overheated, illogical rush to judgement of those you claim to revile.
As I said in the main post, in the comment directly above yours, and now this one, these young men made some mistakes. Trying to portray them as wronged saints or superbly moral young (as theri lawyers have done) men is a lie as well. They're just normal college guys.
Period.
Trying to say that those of us who aren't lining up to sing their praises as being in the same league as the strippers, Nifong, the press, and the "Gang of 88" is disingenuous, and more than a little craven.
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Confederate Yankee, I think that you've gotten yourself off on the wrong track. You say you wanted simply to say that Reade, Dave and Collin were "just normal college guys" instead of saints. Why didn't you simply say that if that was your intent? I watched the entire news conference of both Roy Cooper and later that of the attorneys of the three young Duke students who were exonerated. I recall not one statement implying that the three were saints or angels. I do recall statements that they were decent, hard working and yes normal young men. And that's about as good as it gets. Do you know any saints or angels? I don't. You took a gratuitous shot at their characters? What would make you want to do such a thing. I think that your words have said more about YOUR character than about the character of these three young men.
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Just
wow.
I said they were "just normal college guys," said that they should not be made into heroes, and said that we should "be able to redress the travesty of justice committed against them without making them into idols or figureheads of purity."
To you, saying such obvious truths is "gratuitous shot at their characters"?
I hope you've got a good grip on that saddle; I'd hate for you to fall off such a high horse.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 13, 2007 02:40 PM (9y6qg)
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"Locomotive Breath, perhaps you need to realize that the "with us or or against" construct you're advocating is precisely the flip-side of the same overheated, illogical rush to judgement of those you claim to revile."
Not so. In contrast to a year ago, the facts are now known and the balance can be weighed in its proper perspective.
The lacrosse team immediately admitted what they did do and have apologized for it profusely for over a year. They also told the truth about what they did NOT do and were called liers and far worse.
Ever had your photo on the cover of Newsweek with the word RAPE next to it?
Ever had a "wanted poster" spread all over your campus and had people hunt you down and harass you on a daily basis and call you a liar?
Ever had anyone stand outside your house banging pots and holding a banner that says "Castrate"?
Ever had a portion of the faculty of your school calling you a bigot and liar and leading the witch hunt?
Ever had the administration of your school stand by and do nothing while that was going on and meanwhile the President launches into long soliloquies about the seriousness of the crime with which you're charged?
Ever had the administration, initially, at least, tell the New Black Panther Party that they believe in free speech so an on campus march would be just fine? (The admin finally came to their senses and halted the NBPP at the edge of campus.)
Ever been ordered to flee your dorm room during finals week in fear for your life because the NBPP was coming to town promising justice?
Ever had a member of the NBPP shout "Dead man walking" to you in a court of law and had the judge blithely ignore it?
Ever had to put your life on hold for 13 months because someone told an obvious lie about you?
Ever had to spend $3,000,000 to keep from going to jail for 20-30 years?
There's much more. Want me to go on?
In short, whatever their faults and mistakes, they've put PAID, PAID and PAID again to any debt they might have.
On the day of their complete and historic exoneration (yes historic - ever heard an AG say "completely innocent" before?), for anyone to even BRING UP their many-times acknowledged and paid-off mistakes is a small-minded and petty attempt to tarnish a completely one-sided vindication and does, in fact, put them in the same boat with the people who tried to railroad them because that's EXACTLY what those people are saying. There is no nuance or moral equivalency today.
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Confederate Yankee, have you read Terry Moran's article in its entirety? I'm assuming you have since you stated that you "tend to think he's right". By saying that you've laid your blessing on the thinking that he has espoused. And I believe that he's grounding much of his apparent belief in the intrinsic badness of "priviledged white males". You may think that's a wonderful bandwaggon to jump on, but I don't and I don't respect any one who jumps on such beliefs. I guess you're feeling your way toward the mainstream media. Well, I'm off to get on my high horse and ride away.
Posted by: Whippersnapper at April 13, 2007 03:20 PM (6yHgW)
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So what you are saying, LB, is that the horrors they have been exposed to for things they didn't do, completely exonerates them for any of the things that they did do.
Gotta go.
John McCain was tortured in a Vietnamese prison camp, so I own him an apology for opposing his campaign finance reform bill.
/sarcasm.
Just like those you say you are not emulating, you're attempting to whip up an emotional response, and you give in to that emotional response on your own, whipping yourself into an indignant lather, convinced above all that those who disagree with you in any way are the scum of the earth.
I have made the profoundly profane statement that these young men should not be canonized or made into idols. I furthered the blasphemy by stating they were "absolutely normal college kids."
Wow.
What harsh, unforgivable language I used.
Perhaps I should be beheaded with a lacrosse stick, and my skull nailed to the front door of Duke Chapel as a warning to others who dare not bow to the feet of three otherwise ordinary men.
Ever had your photo on the cover of Newsweek with the word RAPE next to it?
No. the closest I ever got was the opinion section of the Washington
Post beside Charles Krauthammer.
The words next to my headshot?
Not Rape.
Toodles. Gotta write that letter asking forgiveness from St. John of Arizona.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at April 13, 2007 03:37 PM (9y6qg)
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I think the offending graph in his piece wsd where he compared the Duke lax players as with the Rutgers team and said their lives won't be so bad now that they've been exonerated.
It smacked of haughty left-wing elitism:
As students of Duke University or other elite institutions, these young men will get on with their privileged lives. There is a very large cushion under them--the one that softens the blows of life for most of those who go to Duke or similar places, and have connections through family, friends and school to all kinds of prospects for success. They are very differently situated in life from, say, the young women of the Rutgers University women's basketball team.
http://newsbusters.org/node/12002
Posted by: Ken Shepherd at April 13, 2007 04:25 PM (Kvgcl)
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Confederate Yankee:
Perhaps I should be beheaded with a lacrosse stick, and my skull nailed to the front door of Duke Chapel"
No you just need a good kick up the backside.
These kids have suffered for well over a year now and any gracious person would allow them their day in the sun.
It takes a vicious small-minded fool to throw trivial and irrelevant allegations at them.
The racists in this saga have uniformly been on the side attacking the boys.
Posted by: Blue at April 14, 2007 04:06 AM (90v6c)
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Confederate Yankee,
I think we all realize these college kids are just that. Certainly they are no saints, and you have subsequently made clear in the comments you agree with this point.
I just think your initial post did not do an effective job of conveying that. At all.
Further, I suppose I see you point, and find it has some merit. But -- and don't attack me, this is just my very subjective personal opinion -- your focus is a bit off. I know that bloggers need to "differentiate" themselves, especially if they want to post on topics de jure that other bloggers are posting on. But, in trying to do so, I think you've missed the forest for the trees.
You come off as a sympathizer with all those who play the victim and the rest of those towing the line of the liberal mindset. I have read some of your other posts when they are linked on Memeorandum. This is fairly sub-par by standards you have previously displayed.
Not your best work. Hope your skin is thick enough to take some constructive criticism.
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I must say this has given me a whole new opinion of you and believe me, it's not favorable. Whether they're innocent or not has nothing to do with the fact that their life has been hell this past year. They've been falsely accused and declared guilty of a heinous crime and both you and Moran are guilty of reverse bigotry.
Posted by: CajunKate at April 14, 2007 01:00 PM (ox+7Q)
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Well of course if they were mysongist racists than there would be a higher likelyhood of guilt. Mysoginst racts are more likely to do the things that they were accused of doing.
Posted by: John Ryan at April 14, 2007 04:25 PM (TcoRJ)
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and the Black Panthers called them white devils and threatened their lives, please do not get into moral equivalence, those strippers mocked those boy with comments such as "small di**ed crackers, you get what you give and just because you get angry and give it back does not mean you go to jail for 30 years, give me a break.
Posted by: Rightmom at April 16, 2007 10:08 AM (0lpqx)
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I'd expect a comment like this from the Duke administration not from someone with any insight. Exactly what is the crime of these men that caused them to have their reputations destroyed and have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees? How much more noble they seem than the prosecutor, the accuser and the Duke staff, along with the MSM that judged them guilty based on their race.
They fought against incredible odds. They didn't give in. That goes along way with me. In contrast we have those who painted them as tainted corrupt people. I know who I'd pick. Its easy if you think.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at April 16, 2007 11:54 PM (YXXuO)
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Black Panther Calls Malkin a Prostitute
Ah,
leftists in action.
On the show she apparently creamed him, according to Don Surber:
You could almost feel the delight in her as she knew she had him. She stuck to her guns while he sputtered and locked into the name-calling mode. He is so stuck in the '60s (although he is far too young to have lived much then) that he could not understand that women really are the equal of men and that they can think for themselves — and mature into the same conservatives that educated men become.
Malkin's response to Malik Shabazz's name-calling is here.
It's rather sad in this day and age that women and minorities, especially women who are minorities, are treated so horribly if they have political opinions that stray from what some people think that their skin color should believe.
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Who cares about the Black Panthers? Do you honestly believe they represent mainstream liberalism? If I debate someone from the Aryan Brotherhood can I score some big points for liberals?
Posted by: Lex Steele at April 13, 2007 11:41 AM (0bhUe)
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...And myleaky shabby is a prostitute for islam,which has enslaved and brutalized his race FAR WORSE,than Whitey ever has,and for over 1,000 longer;the amount of time Whitey "enslaved" blacks,is a drop in the ocean,compared to islam's enslavement and brutalization.
Posted by: kelly at April 13, 2007 12:15 PM (vd4Fg)
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"the brown, female mouthpiece for racist drivel." = doesn't know her place on Retief's plantation.
Just no point to debating the Left.
Aux les lanternes!
Posted by: SDN at April 13, 2007 10:20 PM (CNYKS)
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"Who cares about the Black Panthers? Do you honestly believe they represent mainstream liberalism?"
Even today, many leftists defend the Black Panther Party.
Posted by: pst314 at April 14, 2007 01:32 PM (lCxSZ)
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Obviously the Black Panthers do represent mainstream Left thinking. Why is it that no Leftists denounce them or their allies Jessie and Al?
The only thing that differentiates them from the Left is they are more candid in their canards.
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April 12, 2007
Because Unfair Charges are Wrong
One day after normally cautious North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper blasted the handling of the Duke Lacrosse rape case and took the extraordinary step of declaring the charged players innocent of all counts, disgraced Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong has issued a trite
semi-apology:
Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong acknowledged today that three former Duke University lacrosse players were "wrongfully accused" of sexual assault.
Nifong released a statement one day after N.C. Attorney General Roy Cooper dismissed the charges against the lacrosse players and declared them "innocent" and the victims of an "unchecked" prosecutor who rushed to judgment.
"It is and has always been the goal of our criminal justice system to see that the guilty are punished and that the innocent are set free," Nifong wrote. "No system based on human judgment can ever work perfectly.
"Those of us who work within that system can only make the best judgments we can," Nifong continued. "To the extent that I made judgments that utimately [sic] proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three suspects that were wrongly accused. ... It is my sincere desire that the actions of Attorney General Cooper will serve to remedy any remaining injury that has resulted from these cases."
But Nifong disputed Cooper's assessment of him as a "rogue" prosecutor.
"The fact that I instead chose to seek that review should in and of itself call into question the characterizations of this prosecution as 'rogue' and 'unchecked,'" he wrote.
Shorter Mike Nifong: "I'll accept that charges shouldn't have been brought, but don't call me a "rogue" just because I conspired to hide evidence that would have exonerated the accused and used a mentally-disturbed girl's inconsistent stories as a battering ram to bludgeon my way into an elected office I promised to the governor himself I would not run for.
"Why, it is horrible to stigmatize someone with an inaccurate description.
'Cause that would, you know, be wrong."
Nifong faces a hearing at the North Carolina State Bar's Disciplinary Hearing Committee tomorrow afternoon at 4:00 PM, which will determine if he will be stripped of his law license.
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The closest Nifong should ever be allowed to a courtroom in the future is as part of the night cleanup crew.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 12, 2007 04:19 PM (UWdQL)
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Sorry Purple - I hate to disagree but I think he should be allowed back into a courtroom...as a defendent. Didn't this yahoo do some justice obstuctin'?
Posted by: sami at April 12, 2007 05:12 PM (lj7cz)
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William "cold cash" Jefferson !!!
Never indicted but tried in the press don't we ALL feel badly for having pre-judged him also ?
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March 28, 2007
Lowe Point
I've admired the job former N.C. State star Sidney Lowe has done as the coach of State's basketball team in his first year. He's simply a classy person.
His son, apparently is not.
The 21-year-old son of North Carolina State basketball coach Sidney Lowe faces charges in two armed incidents, including one in which a UNC-Greensboro student from Raleigh was shot in the back.
Police at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro said Sidney R. Lowe II surrendered to authorities Tuesday and was charged with eight counts, including felony aiding and abetting attempted armed robbery, in connection with Saturday's shooting and attempted robbery inside Weil Residence Hall.
Greensboro city police filed 14 additonal charges, including felony assault, in connection with a home invasion that took place on March 16.
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Cartoon Justice
The editor of a French satire magazine
has been acquitted of insulting Muslims by re-publishing cartoons of Mohammed.
Paris will begin burning this evening.
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....et plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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Jimmy Can't Read
It appears that James Cameron's claim to have found the tomb and ossuaries of Jesus Christ and his family, which were never taken seriously by biblical scholars, may have resulted from an inabilty to properly read and translate the Greek writing on at least one ossuary.
The film and book suggest that a first-century ossuary found in a south Jerusalem cave in 1980 contained the remains of Jesus, contradicting the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven. Ossuaries are stone boxes used at the time to store the bones of the dead.
The filmmakers also suggest that Mary Magdalene was buried in the tomb, that she and Jesus were married, and that an ossuary labeled "Judah son of Jesus" belonged to their son.
The scholars who analyzed the Greek inscription on one of the ossuaries after its discovery read it as "Mariamene e Mara," meaning "Mary the teacher" or "Mary the master."
Before the movie was screened, Jacobovici said that particular inscription provided crucial support for his claim. The name Mariamene is rare, and in some early Christian texts it is believed to refer to Mary Magdalene.
But having analyzed the inscription, Pfann published a detailed article on his university's Web site asserting that it doesn't read "Mariamene" at all.
The inscription, Pfann said, is made up of two names inscribed by two different hands: the first, "Mariame," was inscribed in a formal Greek script, and later, when the bones of another woman were added to the box, another scribe using a different cursive script added the words "kai Mara," meaning "and Mara." Mara is a different form of the name Martha.
According to Pfann's reading, the ossuary did not house the bones of "Mary the teacher," but rather of two women, "Mary and Martha."
"In view of the above, there is no longer any reason to be tempted to link this ossuary ... to Mary Magdalene or any other person in biblical, non-biblical or church tradition," Pfann wrote.
In the interest of telling a good story, Pfann said, the documentary engaged in some "fudging" of the facts.
Okay, an inability to read and an apparent willingness to deceive.
Somehow, I doubt anyone is all that surprised.
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There is no historical evidence that Jesus and the two Maries continued living in Palestine while there is convincing evidence that they traveled to India. The fist detailed research was published a hundred years ago by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-190
in his book Jesus in India (www.alislam.org, www.tombofjesus dot com) referring to many ancient sources. Graves of Jesus is well known in Srinagar India and that of one Mary in Murree in Pakistan.
Posted by: Syed Sajid Ahmad at March 14, 2007 11:43 AM (j+83b)
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CY, I agree completely with two posts in a row! (Pace "don't ask/don't tell" and now this about bonehead Cameron). What's the world coming to?
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