December 27, 2006
Jamil Hussein Joins Cast of "Lost"
Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein, used regularly as a named source by the Associated Press including a flurry of eight reports about four burning mosques and 24 burning Sunnis (including six immolated) between November 24-26, has been noticeably missing from AP reporting for 31 days, and hasn't provided fresh information to the AP in 33 days.
To give you an idea of how odd this is, Jamil Hussein was used as a named source for the Associated Press (and only the Associated Press) on average every 5.2 days between April 24 and November 26 of this year. His longest previous period of silence was a 34-day gap between mid-September and Mid-October.
All of us are deeply concerned about the fate of Captain Hussein, and I think it would be a nice gesture if the AP, which has visited him so many times at his office at the police station, would give him a call, just to see if he's okay.
As it stands right now, he seems to have disappeared as if he never existed.
CPT, phone home...
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Just bumping my comment from the last Captain and Jamil post.
I think the next step is to start inquiring about the other 61 stories where AP cited Capt. Hussein as a source. It seems to be conclusive that the Burning Six story was fabricated. I'm sure AP and their allies are using their faith based reporting skills to HOPE that the rest of the stories are true and that this one story was an anomoly. It should be the job of the blogosphere to go out and PROVE those stories are either true or false.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 27, 2006 10:33 AM (oC8nQ)
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One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Jamil, Jamazel, hiddenproffer incorporated.
WeÂ’re gonna do it!
Give us burning mosques, weÂ’ll fake it.
Ethics or journalistic rule, weÂ’ll break it.
WeÂ’re gonna make our source come true.
Fakin' it our way.
NothinÂ’s gonna turn us back now,
Eyes are closed and off the track now.
WeÂ’re gonna make our source come true,
DoinÂ’ it our way.
There is nothing we wonÂ’t try,
Never heard the word responsible.
This time thereÂ’s no stopping us.
WeÂ’re gonna do it.
Get the word, offset, and go now,
Phony story and we just know now,
WeÂ’re gonna make our source come true.
And weÂ’ll do it our way, yes our way.
Make all our leftist screeds come true,
And do it our way, yes our way,
Make all our screeds come true
For the AP and you.
Theme Song from "They're Burnin' Surely" sitcom.... about mosques in the You Can't Hurriya Love section of Baghdad.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 27, 2006 07:16 PM (V56h2)
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last stanza, second line should read
Phony story and we just know HOW
damn typos
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December 22, 2006
Another Straw
Another Straw
In the detailed follow-up account to the initial "burning six" story AP insisted:
Two workers at Kazamiyah Hospital also confirmed that bodies from the clashes and immolation had been taken to the morgue at their facility.
They refused to be identified by name, saying they feared retribution.
This is a damn fine trick. According to Iraqi Brigadier General Abdul-Kareem, (via an email exchange with MNC-I PAO) their is no morgue at Kazamiyah Hospital. Any dead at Kazamiyah Hospital are transported by the police to the Medical Jurisprudence Center at Bab Almadham.
To sum up the "Burning Six" story so far:
Sources
- The primary source for the story doesn't apparently exist.
- The secondary source retracted his claim
- The tertiary source (Assn of Muslim Scholars) is suspected of being in league with the insurgency
- All other sources are anonymous, and in at least this instance, cite a factual impossibility.
Claims/Evidence- 6 men were pulled out of a rocketed mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned alive. No bodies have been recovered, and the mosque has curiously never been named.
- Those killed were seen by workers of Kazamiyah Hospital in the morgue. Kazamiyah Hospital does not have a morgue.
- 18 people were burned to death in an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque. Not a single casualty of any type has been found, and their is no evidence tha the mosque was set on fire.
- A total of four mosques-Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa were attacked "with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles," before being burned. There is zero evidence that any of the mosques were assaulted in such a manner, and only the Nidaa Allah suffered minor fire damage from a molotov cocktail. The fire was put out by local firefighters.
In short, four weeks after breaking this story, the Associated Press has no credible witnesses, nor any physical or photographic evidence, of a series of four terrorist attacks that they claimed killed as many as 24 people, six of them burned alive. To date, they refuse to issue a retraction.
Faith-based reporting is apparently the new Associated Press standard.
12/26 Update: I was offline over the past few days and so didn't check my email, but Michelle Malkin lets me know via email that according to her sources, Kazamiyah Hospital does not have a morgue, but it does have a large freezer that can be used to store bodies.
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Excerpted and linked at We'll live in shame or go down in flames...
The Phantom Press Corps Song
Off we go, into the wild blue yonder,
Climbing high, into the sun,
Down we dive, spouting our lies from under
At 'em boys, give 'er the gun,
We'll live in shame, or go down in flames,
Hey! Nothing can stop the phan-tom press corps. ...
Sorry. Fuzzy flashback.
Posted by: Bill Fait at December 22, 2006 07:01 PM (n7SaI)
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Good one. And it made me think of something else I'll post later.
Posted by: See-Dubya at December 22, 2006 07:03 PM (9hI24)
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"Faith-based reporting"
That pretty good.
Posted by: Dusty at December 23, 2006 12:29 AM (GJLeQ)
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Strange, isn't it how the MSM seems to be completely ignoring this embarrassment?
Maybe it's one of those, if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.
There's also the Sandy Berger guilty plea. Another non-story.
I'm also still waiting for Big Media to report on Clinton's last day in the WH pardons. Been waiting for six years.
No, no bias here.
Posted by: kjo at December 25, 2006 01:04 PM (/7ZSd)
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Kazamiyah Hospital does not have a morgue? All hospitals of any size have a morgue, usually in the basement. They don't leave dead people lying around long near living ones. The Kazamiyah hospital probably doesn't do autopsies or post-mortem prep, but any holding room is a morgue.
Posted by: Ed at December 26, 2006 09:07 PM (VjjHz)
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I think the next step is to start inquiring about the other 61 stories where AP cited Capt. Hussein as a source. It seems to be conclusive that the Burning Six story was fabricated. I'm sure AP and their allies are using their faith based reporting skills to HOPE that the rest of the stories are true and that this one story was an anomoly. It should be the job of the blogosphere to go out and PROVE those stories are either true or false.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 27, 2006 10:28 AM (oC8nQ)
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What is the Return Policy on Jamil Hussein?
Since near the beginning of Jamilgate, the Associated Press has
maintained that:
...Hussein is well known to AP. We first met him, in uniform, in a police station, some two years ago. We have talked with him a number of times since then and he has been a reliable source of accurate information on a variety of events in Baghdad.
No one – not a single person – raised questions about Hussein’s accuracy or his very existence in all that time. Those questions were raised only after he was quoted by name describing a terrible attack in a neighborhood that U.S. and Iraqi forces have struggled to make safe.
The problem with the AP response, issued by none other than AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll herself, is that is it essentially states "You must trust us, because... you must trust us."
Now, exactly four weeks later, the AP has not provided a singe shred of evidence to show why we should trust them about the claimed existence of Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein.
As Michelle Malkin noted last night, teams of investigators working with her, CPATT (Civilian Police Assistance Training Teams), the Iraqi Ministry of Interior (MOI), Marc Danzinger, and Eason Jordan, have all been unable to find any evidence of a Captain Jamil Hussein having ever worked at the Yarmouk or Al Khadra police stations as AP claims.
There is however, another Iraqi Police Captain in Yarmouk, and he has now been through a second round of questioning at Ministry of Interior Headquarters. This same police captain worked at both Yarmouk and Al Khadra, and his first name is Jamil. His last name, however, is not Hussein, and he denies ever having spoken with the Associated Press.
And so we are left with the official statement of the Iraqi government that Police Captain Jamil Hussein has never existed, and no one, AP or otherwsie, has shown evidence to the contrary. He is a ghost, an apparition, a Never Was.
As the AP stands silent (probably on the command of their legal department), we are forced to consider at ths point the following most-logical possibilities:
- Someone posing as "Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein" duped the Associated Press, from stringer to executive editor, for two years using a made-up identity, or;
- The Associated Press made the decision prior to April of 2006 to create the pseudonym "Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein," as a cover identity for one or more sources, and had that cover compromised.
If the Associated Press has been duped by an false identity for two years, it should hardly come as a surprise that they would chose not to publicly admit to this embarrassing failure of basic journalistic fact-checking, a compromise that affects the integrity of all 61 stories in which Hussein was a source that are not corroborated by non-AP accounts.
If the Associated Press decided to use a pseudonym prior to the first "Jamil Hussein sourcing", attempting to defraud the public by using a made-up identity to mask the people behind one or more other sources, they are also guilty of compromising all 61 stories in which Hussein was a source that are not corroborated by non-AP accounts, and in addition, have compromised the reputations of all 17 reporters that have bylines to stories citing Hussein as a source, two of which have been promoted to new positions, curiously enough, since Hussein's identity came into question.
Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein was a named source for the Associated Press on 61 stories published between April 24 and November 26 of this year. AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll claims he was a well know AP source for two years. She and AP international editor John Daniszewski, newly-minted Baghdad News Editor Kim Gamel, and brand new Assistant Chief of Middle East News Patrick Quinn have had 29 days to prove Police Captain Jamil Hussein exists, and they have failed, utterly.
I propose that the AP and others in the news business—and make no mistake, it is a business—incorporate a version of the 30-day return policy so common to other businesses.
If a news organization cannot provide physical proof of a disputed story of stories, or the basic existence of sources within 30 days, they should then produce a full retraction of their story of stories using that source, and finance a third-party independent investigation into why their reporting methodology failed to come up with the evidence that should have been needed to take a story to press in the first place. Doing this would ensure that methodological failures can be addressed and lessons learned to keep these kind of failures from repeating in the future.
You've had 29 days to prove your case, AP, and you've failed, utterly.
You've got 24 hours, then I think we're entitled to at least one retraction, and perhaps as many as 61.
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Those questions were raised only after he was quoted by name describing a terrible attack in a neighborhood that U.S. and Iraqi forces have struggled to make safe.
The AP completely misses the point. When you are caught in a lie, everything you have stated previously comes into question. The questions weren't raised 'only' after he was quoted by name. They were raised when it was discovered that the last story he relayed did not hold a grain of truth. Only *then* did the other stories become suspect. Upon further investigation, by intrepid bloggers, it was discovered that 61 stories were accredited to him. It was time to put up or shut up. They could have easily have stated that Jamil was his name, they had possibly been duped and then investigated on their own. Instead they offered evasive responses. Being a 'global' organization I guess they feel there is no one with enough clout to fact-check them. They couldn't be more wrong.
Posted by: Dan Irving at December 22, 2006 02:35 PM (zw8QA)
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CY
Please allow me to prosecute the case against the AP (and the Ministry of Media as a whole), because I think that of the two theories, one one can hold water. There is absolutely NO chance, that the AP was "duped" into believing that Jamil Hussein actually existed for two years, while using him as often a sole source on events outside his district.
I believe that the "option" of allowing readers to believe that the AP was anything other than complicit in foisting a phony source on the public, is untenable based on the facts as we now know them.
1)The AP has not used their now infamous "source" 61 times for backup in reporting various alleged events, some of which give precise details in numbers, amounts and degrees....such that, not only is the underlying story in each possibly exaggerated...but entirely false in its premise.
2) The AP has made an open declaration that they have met this "source" numerous times...including in his office. Is there even the most remote chance that they would not be able to describe him in great detail...height, weight, facial hair, noticeable markings...such that they could have cued one of their comrades in the Ministry of Media to go "back them up" on his existence? Not one did.
3)Rather than attempting to develop additional sources for areas outside this particular "captain's" district, they used him to verify and AMPLIFY stories in OTHER districts. This means, that they had reason to believe that his access to detailed information was multi-district and he held such a position of authority that he not only could discuss events in other districts, but could provide otherwise unavailable details of those events. Before printing reports under those circumstances, one would need either multiple verification by additional reliable sources...or to know this source so well as to be beyond casual acquaintence level. This had to be a personal friend. He was speaking out of turn, without authority, out of district and only if you KNEW him...could you know that such information was reliable. This shows a level of intimacy, that would defy them not knowing precisely who he was.
4)17 reporters used the same fake name, utilized the same source, ...and NOT ONE questioned how he obtained his information, how he knew about details in events outside his district, how he was allowed to speak about them without clearance and ....what his real name was?
And these are "investigative" reporters? And not ONE...questioned how this one lonely police captain was privy to such intimate details?
5)After THIS event, in which four, no...I mean less than four...well, maybe one...mosque was obliterated...well, severely damaged...um...vandalized, ....NOT ONE of these reporters was in the least bit interested to know how their "golden goose" had laid such a rotten egg? Not ONE???? And they proceed on unquestioning about the six immolated bodies? The 18 murders? There is NO inquiry. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Forget whether they "stand by their source"... they stand by the STORY. You can't be DUPED...after the fact. The STORY is utterly, wholly, completely... discredited.
6)Kathleen Carroll, in what is now a predictable stance of arrogance, dismissiveness, clandestine and ethically bankrupt that has become the response right out of the playbook for the Ministry of Media....suggests that ASKING THE QUESTIONS...is an offense to the AP's long traditions and integrity...blah, blah, blah.
Stonewalling by bloviation. Then silence. And EVERY one of their comrades in arms in the leftist press...is sitting on their hands. The silence is deafening.
The AP, Reuters, CNN, CBS, NYTimes....all of them...REPEATEDLY have gotten their hands caught in the ethics cookie jar...and the response has been universally the same. They all avoid covering the story, because they are too busy covering each other.
Advancing leftist "projections" of how things "ought to be"...even if they aren't...is now de rigueur. Some folks call it "fake but accurate", others call it "truthiness", I have been calling it "caricatures of truth"...but we should be calling it...a rape of our information stream.
The Ministry of Media has stormed the gates and made a successful grab at our Knowledge Management. They then proceeded to engage in a systematic Metrics Cleansing, eliminating any trace of divergent thought. And proceeded to rewrite all the rules.
When cops go bad...it is not just twice the horror...it's infinitely worse....because they control the apprehension. And when they engage in a Code of Silence, whenever one of their number is caught, it makes taking them down nearly impossible.
The press are our eyes and ears and VOICE to the world. When the media goes bad...we are a nation in mortal danger. Our Ministry of Media is off the charts despicable. They advance nothing but leftist causes, push World Populism, romaticize Socialism, hypercriticize America (and Israel), provide cover for leftist thugs and brutalizers and often do the bidding of our enemies. They have adopted an arrogance and lack of integrity and self-policing that approaches organized crime. They have adopted a Code of Silence that magnifies and multiplies the evil.
There is no more time and no more room for allowing the "option" of believing that they are merely "dupes"...who innocently adhere to a Peter, Paul and Mary lovefest view of the world.
They are raping our information stream, they are doing so willingly and believe they are above reproach. There is no other option. They are out to change our system of self-governance...by any means necessary. They are and have been lying to us with impunity.
It is imperative that we say "no more". It is appropriate that we say "no more". And by all that is right and just...it is TIME we say "no more". There are no other options.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 22, 2006 03:59 PM (V56h2)
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Excerpted and linked at We'll live in shame or go down in flames...
The Phantom Press Corps Song
Off we go, into the wild blue yonder,
Climbing high, into the sun,
Down we dive, spouting our lies from under
At 'em boys, give 'er the gun,
We'll live in shame, or go down in flames,
Hey! Nothing can stop the phan-tom press corps. ...
Sorry. Fuzzy flashback.
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 22, 2006 07:01 PM (n7SaI)
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December 20, 2006
Jamil Who?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you
Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim:
According to two CPATT officials--one in the U.S, one in Iraq--there is no one named "Jamil Hussein" working now or ever at either at the Yarmouk or al Khadra police stations. That is what they have said along and nothing has changed.
The Baghdad-based CPATT officer says there is no "Sgt. Jamil Hussein" at Yarmouk, which contradicts what Marc Danziger's contacts found. I have another military source on the ground who works with the Iraqi Army (separate and apart from the CPATT sources) and is checking into whether anyone named "Jamil Hussein" has ever worked at Yarmouk.
There is only one police officer whose first name is "Jamil" currently working at the Khadra station, according to my CPATT sources.
His name is Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim (alternate spelling per CPATT is "Ghulaim.") Previously, Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim worked at a precinct in Yarmouk, according to the CPATT sources. Curt at Flopping Aces has received the same info.
Now, go back and look at the full name and location information the Associated Press cited in its statement on the matter:
[T]hat captain has long been know to the AP reporters and has had a record of reliability and truthfulness. He has been based at the police station at Yarmouk, and more recently at al-Khadra, another Baghdad district, and has been interviewed by the AP several times at his office and by telephone. His full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein.
Let's review: AP's source, supposedly named "Jamil Gholaiem Hussein," used to work at Yarmouk but now works at al Khadra. CPATT says the one person named "Jamil" now at al Khadra -- Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim -- also used to work at Yarmouk. His rank is the same as that of AP's alleged source. His last name is almost identical to the middle name of AP's alleged source. (FYI: In Arabic, the middle name is one's father's name; the last name is one's grandfather's.)
Pseudonyms? Why should I care about pseudonyms?
Curiouser and curiouser...
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Posted by: Frederick at December 20, 2006 05:35 PM (jSBbA)
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Have you been hitting the cooking sherry again Fred?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2006 06:34 PM (xXVSL)
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I have been reading the comments of guys like Fredo (please protect the don at the fruit stand, Fredo) for so long it doesn't phase me...but Ed at Captain's Quarters is usually a great guy. And the NRO is not such a bad place. Have we all gone soft in the head?
THIS is my place to hang out...with CY, as a general rule. (I am a card carrying member of the VDH fan club, and I suffer from unrequited [and unrecognized] infatuation with Atlas Shrugs drop dead gorgeous blogger, but I hang here more than anywhere else)
But, I believe there are some outstanding places to visit daily. LGF, Instapundit, Michelle, ...a few others.
And Captain's Quarters is certainly one of them. But in discussing Lowry above...I am not on all fours with Ed...or Lowry.
The gist of what I'm getting is that the Ministry of Media "ain't so bad" and there's "lots of good" that comes out of them.
To my ear, this sounds akin to saying, "Well, you know...John Wayne Gacy DID play a nice clown at kids birthday parties...so don't look at all those decaying bodies in the crawlspace"
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. Let me get this straight.
We get 40 years of leftist spin, and I mean hard, fast, dramamine requiring spin...and we should lay down and take a "well, boys will be boys" attitude about it? And if we don't adopt that attitude, we're being "unreasonable" about it all??????
The Ministry of Media in all their branches,....print, network news, international news, wire services...have been distorting, manipulating, staging and obscuring the facts since (at least) Walter Cronkite and the Tet offensive. They regularly slander America and Israel.
What IS said by them needs to be decoded... as much as what is NOT said needs to be excavated like an archealogical dig.
And we "shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water". That "baby" is 40 years old and her name is Typhoid Mary. She's diseased and what is worse...she thinks she's the Queen of Sheba. And we are all her subjects.
I, for one...am damn tired of their smug and pedantic attitude, their institutional arrogance, their haughty refusal at self-policing...hell, at objective self-reflection. And at their Code of Silence and coverup schemes.
Let me make this point crystal clear, there should be no NEED for bloggers to "uncover" photoshopped pictures, staged scenes, phony sources, dummied up documents and withheld evidence.
The information stream is a de facto public trust...and whether Mr. Lowry or Mr. Rago wish to denigrate the blogosphere for any of their own self-serving interests or not....LGF, Ed, Michelle, Bob Owens, Glenn, Patterico, etc...have moved mountains (of BS) that we would otherwise be forced to swallow,.... with little or no ability to gain more than "caricatures of truth" from the information stream that has allowed itself to become a political arm of the left.
We should get down on our knees every day and thank the heavens for the men and women of the blogosphere...because the Ministry of Media not only has shown it can't be trusted with our facts, evidence and information...it has shown itself to be quite willing to do the bidding of those who stand against us.
If Mr. Lowry and Mr. Rago can't come to grips with THAT...then I'm not sure if they first need an optometrist for myopia or perhaps a proctologist first to gain access to their failing eyesight.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 20, 2006 06:37 PM (V56h2)
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So the character "Jamil Hussein" may or may not be based on a real person, just as the "news" AP reports may or may not be based on real events.
Posted by: Van Helsing at December 20, 2006 07:01 PM (tYH7u)
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I am sick and tired of seeing the same straw man defense over and over again. If I hear one more apologist tell me about how this is not about Jamil Hussein, that this is about the reality of conditions on the ground in Iraq, and then proceed to go through a laundry list of examples of how bad Iraq is, I am seriously going to lose it! YES, THIS IS ALL ABOUT JAMIL HUSSSEIN! This IS all about six immolated Sunnis.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 21, 2006 08:54 AM (oC8nQ)
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Integrity is like virginity. Easy to lose hard to regain. AP should keep this in mind...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 21, 2006 03:27 PM (xXVSL)
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Does anyone remember the scene in Ghostbusters, where it was finally discovered that the oozing river of slime fed off negative energy?
Meet Eric Boehlert...the oozing river of slime personified.
That thought crossed my mind as I watched Anchoress, Allahpundit, and SeeDubya have to ward off being slimed by the oozings of yet another of Eric Boehlert's gasbag bloviations.
It's clear that this walking mindfart has never taken a class in debate, argumentation, persuasion, logic or clearly... journalism. Even more clearly, the classes he perhaps may have taken in ethics, were taught by his mentors in the Ministry of Media, for whom he is now interning as a junior grade apologist. They are not recognizable as "ethics" in the real world, but to leftist media apologists, the rules in a world of slime are...fluid.
Since he is wholly incapable of making an argument, he bubbles up some slime through misquotes, misstatement of facts, misuse of evidence, and missed opportunities at not soiling his little tantrum-throwing diapers any further than he already has.
While certainly a few Iowa farms might make use of his ability to create phantom strawmen out of thin air, there are virtually zero other uses for his fatuous and empty scribbles as he tries....in vain...to put a new coat of paint to cover over the gaping hole in the Ministry of Media's vermin infested sitting room. It's the wrong technique for the misidentified problems.
And his paint can, of course, is simply more green, bubbling slime. He blames "warbloggers",(there is no definition of who this is...or isn't...but, it follows neatly into the thumb-sucking tantrum of the puerile left, if you don't agree with the leftists, you are a warmongerer...among their other favorite tantrum throwing names hurled at non-leftists, ie, See, homophobic, racist, money-grubbing etc.)...and this "blame" in today's tantrum... is that some Iraqi journalists have been killed and the assignment is dangerous...and we don't care.
Hmmm....and we don't care. Interesting. And, since we don't care, therefore...we don't believe any of the leftists are telling the truth. And because some died, ALL journalists there are telling the truth. And ALL the reports are therefore accurate. Interesting. Stupid...but fascinating to watch unfold.
Let's put this in leftist syllogism form:
"A" is a journalist who uses fake sources, dummies up documents, photoshops photos, distorts facts, stages phony scenes;
"B" is a journalist who died in a war zone
Ergo, journalist "B" PROVES that journalist "A" is not something to discuss, and anyone who does deserves to be slimed.
Um....ok.
What this asshelmet chooses to ignore, while lying about ...well, virtually everything...is that LYING about facts, evidence, sources, research,photographs, ....IS the point.
It's not ok to create phony stories to advance the media's political agenda. Period.
Since this oozing river of slime feeds off negative energy, I'm going to wish him Happy Holidays anyway. And hope that his New Year's resolution is to find somewhere within him between now and then...a conscience. Some honor. Some dignity. A sense of right and wrong. I don't do this just for him...but for all of us...so that we don't risk being slimed in 2007 nearly as badly as we have been for the last 40 years.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 21, 2006 04:00 PM (V56h2)
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Joseph Rago doesn't seem to like bloggers much. His WSJ op-ed
The Blog Mob states that blogs are "Written by fools to be read by imbeciles."
That may be, but I must wonder: How many people check the Wall Street Journal web site several times each day specifically to see what Mr. Rago is going to say?
For all of the things he may or may not have right in his op-ed, I think I detect a touch of jealousy.
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Rago is clinging...longingly...to his buggy whip and rotary phone.
His arguments are vapid, anecdotally concluding, (sans citation) that blogs are inferior to the Holy Grail (print media)...because:
1)There is editorial oversight (just ask Kathleen at AP how vigorous that oversight is)
2)The blogs are INDIVIDUALLY an echo chamber. And if this isn't the chamber pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
3)The wit is pedestrian...because Rago himself here is apparently filling us with so much bloated ego...nobody could possibly disagree. He extends the notion that only "journalists" can engage in "journalism"...and if that isn't casting a pearl before all of us here swine...I don't know what is.
This imperious, flatulent blowhard reminds me of so many of those "Thoroughly Modern Millies", in his Nehru jacket and gold peace chains, and his counterpart in her polka-dotted miniskirt and go-go boots...talking lovingly about how hip they are and everyone else is so out of it.
I've never met Rago, nor seen him in person, but I would lay even money that he is a wispy, balding (one strand comb-over), bicycling, Eastern prep school, librarian spectacled Poindexter who brandishes his title as "features editor" of the WSJ as a sword of Damocles over the heads of junior high students who dare to question his authority on the "best" way to gather news for their school paper.
Look, Rago...Kos Kidz are indeed echo chamber imbeciles but there are people like VDH who would clean your clock in the "journalistic quality" ring, and people like CY, LGF, Malkin and Instapundit have done more to salvage this country's information stream than ANYONE in the Ministry of Media. (by the way, NRO is quite an excellent blog as well).
Guys like Lileks have brilliant writing skills.
Either Rago knows nothing of which he writes...or he simply is flying white-knuckled into a future that sees him and the other millies as sepia hued photographs of bygone days of really ugly fashions. In this instance, his imperiousness has shown that the Emperor has Bad Clothes.
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Halp me mizter Raggo I am stuk in syberspac reeding blugs.
Posted by: David at December 20, 2006 03:23 PM (/9lTh)
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To quote Chef on South Park : Rago can lick my salty balls.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2006 06:17 PM (xXVSL)
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I kind of liked this one from Rago:
"... Instead, they ride along with the MSM like remora fish on the bellies of sharks, picking at the scraps. [...]"
So journalists can be compared to sharks and bloggers to remora. Okay, that's fine, but as is said about the blindfolded crowd gathered around the elephant, each has a slightly different perception of the object in question.
My perception is the remora are cleaning up the freakin' mess the sharks continually make whether it's during their casual eating or their feeding frenzies.
As for the "fools" and "imbeciles" remark, I wonder if he means to include those that also subscribe to or advertise in the WSJ. Well, it's probably not marketing week for the WSJ. Besides, what fool of imbecile is likely to remember what their assistant features editor thinks of them when asked to subscribe or advertise in their shark.
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Editing The Greg Mitchell Way
In my
last post, I mentioned an AP news release about Jamilgate that seemed to have disappeared. It's back and well, well, well.... What have we
here?
Kind of curious that the AP has taken their response of Nov 28th off their website. The address that I, along with many other bloggers, linked to is this one.
What kind of information was given in that response?
He has been based at the police station at Yarmouk, and more recently at al-Khadra, another Baghdad district, and has been interviewed by the AP several times at his office and by telephone. His full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein.
Also they said in that response that they confirmed the burning via hospital and morgue workers:
AP reporters who have been working in Iraq throughout the conflict learned of the mosque incident through witnesses and neighborhood residents and corroborated it with a named police spokesmen and also through hospital and morgue work
But guess what? The new cache version has this paragraph:
AP reporters who have been working in Iraq throughout the conflict learned of the mosque incident through witnesses and later corroborated it with police.
The same paragraph minus the bit about the hospital and morgue workers.
A little creative attempt to rewrite history by the AP, eh? Quite dishonest, trying to alter an already released story. Yet strangely familiar...
Put it on Kathleen Carroll's tab... and cue the flaming skull.
Update: Allahpundit makes a good argument that since the two versions vary slightly in the USA Today and AP.org versions of the Daniszewski statement, that the comment about the morgue and hospital workers many not have been omitted from the AP release today, because it might not have ever been there. I Googled every variation I could think of aobut the morgue and hospital workers statement, and all hits tracked back to the USA Today story, so I'm inclined to think he's right.
But AP isn't out of the woods by any stretch, as Allah also noted that they USA Today version of Daniszewski's statement came after the AP version. They still dropped the hospital and morgue workers, just not in the same release.
So far, the AP has dropped the hospital and morgue workers and reduced the number of burning mosques from 4 to one, and the number of dead from 24 to six, if my count is accurate. That is a lot of revisionism warranting a retraction, in my opinion.
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It's quite obvious now.. after reading your reports, Curt's and Bill's compendium...that I'm a bit shamed I didn't realize it or recognize it earlier. There were so many hints and clues. The last name is "Carroll".
We are in a land with things have no name, where Somebody and Nobody reside. And you can even forget your own name. A guy in a green helmet is the Mad Hatter. Things printed previously no longer appear, as if we are moving backwards in time.
We have entered the leftist world of media magic.
1) My Glass House Has No Mirrors.
Welcome.
Tis dankum and the flambum motts
Did squeeve and choste upon the sar
Wholly mezzed the everflotts
And all the moops were uberflar.
2)The Garden of Live Bloggers
Whence Bob and Curt and Michelle abound
A captain's name might not be found
And hurl reflections back again
Of what is real and what's pretend
Where lies are king and truth is drowned
3)Tweedledum and Tweedlemute
Oh Green Hatter with helmet fair
You're here, you're there, you're everywhere
Upon your smiling grief I dare impose
Please stay a while and strike a pose
Our comrades all conceal your lair.
4)Auppity Pauppity
Auppity Pauppity stole all the news
Then began libeling Christians
And slandering Jews
And all women bloggers and all of its men
Couldn't put AP together again
5)It's Their Own Convention
The Ministry of Media
Held court on truth and tedia
Henceforth, forthwith and evermore
OUR truth will land upon your door
In real time, expedia
6)Queen Katherine
How dare you plea upon my court
You plebians, now keep it short
Be thankful that I serve you gruel
And bow before the Red Queen's rule
I'm not the self-reflecting sort
7)Shaking
You feel you've caught us in a lie
A picture cropped, a source denied
An article unsourced I fear
We've somehow made it disappear
The First Amendment behind we hide
Who Would Have Dreamed It
We now awake to find it's true
The leftist scribes are all askew
Our nation's been in hostage hell
The truth's been strangled in here as well
Imprisoned by those craven few
Jamil has no name. He's nobody, he's somebody...and you can find him hiding between the Lion and the Unicorn.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 19, 2006 03:56 PM (V56h2)
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cf - that's some sort of comment right there.
Also, Ace has some sort of update on this, though between you and him I'm not sure where this stands.
Posted by: yeah at December 19, 2006 04:23 PM (CyjMp)
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cfb. AP's reality has bordered on the absurd for quite some time. But I do believe we are through the looking glass people.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 19, 2006 04:57 PM (oC8nQ)
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Don't throw glassware in rock houses. Would you like
onion rings with that?
Posted by: Frederick at December 19, 2006 07:32 PM (jSBbA)
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Ahhh, leftists. Can't live with 'em and you can't...keep them from soiling the carpet. Bad puppets, bad lemmings, bad parrots...now use the papers we put down, they obviously aren't worth reading...
Leftists live in glass houses, they like to throw stones, but apparently have no mirrors.
Are there no mirrors in your glass houses? Then you are a leftist.
(Want lies with that?)
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 19, 2006 07:43 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: cain at December 19, 2006 07:48 PM (XyCyZ)
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Kathleen Carroll's next job interview:
Q: Do you do windows?
A: You mean XP or Vista?
Q: I don't think you understand Kathleen. I mean do you wash windows.
A: ????
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Absurdly Unethical: The Potential Ethics Case Against AP
To quote the Bard, "What's in a name?"
The on-going Associated Press scandal known as Jamilgate began with this report from AP reporter Qais Al-Bashir. The initial report hinges exclusively on the word of Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein, a source that the Associated Press has cited a total of 61 times since April of this year, and a man the AP has claimed they have known for two years (Note that link was active as I wrote the original draft of this story, but has since disappeared).
In fact, when Hussein's credibilty was challenged, AP went further in supporting this identity, and even provided the full name of Jamil Gholaiem Hussein to bolster their case.
But what happens if it is determined that Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is not the name of AP's long-running source? What if it is a pseudonym?
I posed a generic ethical question based upon Jamilgate to quite a few people this morning. It read:
Good morning.
Can I ask you three quick questions about source ethics in journalism?
If it is determined that a reporter has been using named source in an on-going series of stories, and that name turns out to be a pseudonym, under what circumstances would this be considered unethical behavior, and how serious a breach of ethics would this be?
Would it be compounded if the reporter insisted upon the veracity of the pseudonym?
What responsibility does the reporter bear in verifying the identity of his source?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
I decided on a generic approach as something of a "control;" is isn't scientific by any stretch of the imagination, but by posing this as a hypothetical, I was hoping to avoid any biases that people may harbor towards this specific story. It is, I think, far better to investigate these questions based upon the underlying principles that should drive honest reporting.
The answers to my hypothetical questions have begun to trickle in, and paint quite a dark portrait of the AP's behavior in Jamilgate if, Jamil Gholaiem Hussein turns out to be a pseudonym for someone else.
Dorian Gray?
more...
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Excellent work, Bob. Truly.
I personally would love to extend the inquries, as they seem to logically progress, (at least to me).
1)What if the reporter becomes aware that his "source" is affiliated with a group that has a strongly vested interest in how the story is presented, what affirmative obligations does the reporter have based upon such knowledge?
2)What if the reporter becomes aware that the information given by the source and shared with the readers, turns out to be materially inaccurate, what affirmative obligations does the reporter have based upon even the appearance of bias or impropriety are raised?
Does the reporter have an obligation to "source his source"? Attempt to uncover the bias? Reveal the prospect of serious impropriety and bias? At what point must the reporter and his editor advise their readers that a serious question has arisen?
3)When the facts and evidence do not support the information provided by the now "questionable source", in fact point to a complete fabrication...what affirmative obligation does the reporter (and his or her editor) have to correct the record? How soon must they begin to act? Is it ever ok to simply "let sleeping dogs lie", when information provided by a repeated source is found to be utterly untrustworthy?
Posted by: cfbleachersp at December 19, 2006 01:20 PM (V56h2)
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THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
MSM lies run silent, run deep. The fundamental problem with the MSM and US left is that all movements are driven by two cognitions: the Vision and the Grievance. The Vision is a future ideal scenario (for US conservatives, this is full democracy, an unimpeded economy, and opportunity for all; for Islamists, it is the society as it was with Mohammed). The Grievance is a present-time, frustrating impediment to The Vision (For US conservatives, this might be the Georgian 17 yr old boy and 15 yr old girl who enjoyed oral sex, but he got 10 yrs. For Islamists, it might be the recent Dubai Film festival, with Muslim women wearing beautiful, revealing dresses). This Vision-Grievance template works for every movement from neo-nazis to boy scouts. The catastrophe for the MSM and the US left is the death of their Vision, the socialist paradise. They still have many grievances (Big Oil, economic inequities, inadequate welfare, etc), but without the Vision, they are defensive and hostile. The MSM, the Cindy Sheehans, John Kerrys, etc., are angry because their life-long Vision is dead. Socialism failed, wherever it was implemented. The moral turpitude, the wobbly high-grounding, the aimless reasoning, the constant whining, betray the permanent lack of direction, the frustrated malaise of a dying political philosophy.
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Fedayeen AP?
To
answer Ace's question, a particularly interesting part of
Marc Danziger's post is the apparent discovery of Uday Hussein associate and possible Baathist dead-ender Sgt. Jamil Hussein at the police station in Yarmouk.
If it turns out that this Hussein is the man claiming to be Captain Hussein, and his tied to Uday and the Baathists can be substantiated, then we've got something juicy brewing.
The association of Muslim Scholars is widely viewed as a terrorist-friendly Sunni group with ties to the insurgency and al Qaeda, and the AP uncritically and unquestioningly cited them in this story without an apparent second thought.
If it can be substantiated that the Sgt. Hussein uncovered by Danziger's work is AP's "Captail Jamil Hussein" source, and that it can be substantiated that he has ties to Uday, or more specifically has ties with the Fedayeen Saddam, then we will have reason to wonder how much of AP's reporting has been infiltrated in such a way as to promote a pro-Sunni insurgency agenda.
Update:
A short description of the Fedayeen Saddam from the Global Security link above (my bold):
Though at times improperly termed an "elite" unit, the Fedayeen was a politically reliable force that could be counted on to support Saddam against domestic opponents. It started out as a rag-tag force of some 10,000-15,000 "bullies and country bumpkins." They were supposed to help protect the president and Uday, and carry out much of the police's dirty work.
Does it get much dirtier than alleging false massacres?
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This is like walking into the middle of a Russian novel.
So, if I may...I will attempt to summarize here:
1)The AP met with "some guy" in "his office" numerous times...upon which they "sourced" over 60 stories.
2)Apparently, the AP doesn't know if this guy is a Captain or some lower ranking officer...after citing him 61 times.
3)AP doesn't know if he has ties to any particular group, which might make his objectivity an issue in question.
4)AP doesn't have anyone who verifies any of his reports, like whether there was an actual immolation, blowing up of all the mosques in question, any of the mosques in question, any of the murders...they just accept his word on faith...and then send it out to a billion readers as is.
5)And now, "some guy" may (or may not) exist...who is the person they met with (or didn't), numerous times (or less) in his office (maybe not his), as a captain of the police force (not necessarily) to discuss things that happened (or were made up out of whole cloth) to make objective reports (apparently not) on activities in that district (well, actually miles away)...so that they can PROVE that they were responsible in their reporting all along.
Have a got this down correctly?
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It sounds like AP would have trouble finding their ass grabbing with both hands ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 07:28 PM (xXVSL)
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Kathleen Carroll: Retract, and Step Down
I think it past time for senior executives of the Associated Press to step down for repeated failures of integrity and resposibility, and for violating so many of their organizations
stated values and principles. The following is hardly a conclusive list of reasons that the AP should issue retractions and divest themselves of the failures of their senior leadership, but it is a start.
- AP should apologize for running the initial story of six Sunni men being pulled from a mosque and burned alive based upon the testimony of a single source. AP should acknowledge that single-source information has long been considered unreliable by serious news organizations and they should apologize for breaking that cardinal rule of journalism.
- AP should apologize for the multiple failures of reporting in the follow-up story, of which there were many, including:
- Using an embellished version of the same single-sourced account.
- AP should apologize for using the hearsay of an unverified secondary source as support for the primary account.
- AP should apologize for uncritically parroting the claims of multiple additional deaths made by the Association of Muslim Scholars, a group with suspected insurgent ties.
- AP should apologize for failing to check with official sources to verify the veracity of all the claims made above, plus;
- AP should apologize for utterly failing to check or even ask for any physical or photographic evidence to support claims which to this point, claimed four terrorist attacks on mosques and up to 24 deaths, including the 18 alleged killed at al-Muhaimin mosque, and the six men that our source claimed were pulled from a nameless mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned to death.
- AP should apologize for slandering the Iraqi Army, by uncritically repeating the charge that they stood by and did nothing as these terrorist attacks and murders were carried out, when we have no evidence to support that claim.
- AP should apologize as well for the multiple failures of basic editorial fact-checking and source verification that led them to continuing failures of the basic application of journalistic principles in follow-up stories to the original, including:
- stating that these attacks did not end until U.S. forces became involved, despite the fact that a simple call to the MNF-I Public Affairs Office would have verified that no U.S. forces deployed to Hurriyah that or any other day, because Hurriyah is nota U.S area of responsibility.
- claiming by name that the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques were attacked "with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles," before being burned, without taking the very basic steps of verifying through official or secondary sources that these mosques were in fact attacked.
- AP should apologize for slandering the Iraq Police for insisting they did nothing to stop the alleged attacks as well.
- AP should also apologize for attacking those who questioned all of these easily noticeable inconsistencies.
- AP should apologize to their literally billions of readers that they failed, to which they have an obligation to report facts, not propaganda, and not a convenient "truthy" narrative.
- AP should apologize to the U.S military for doubting their honor and integrity. When they put their names and reputations on the line, AP hid behind anonymous stringers and apparently false witnesses.
- AP should apologize to the Iraqi Police, the Iraqi Army, the Iraqi Ministries of Defense, Interior, and Health for slandering their employees.
I'm sure there are more specific apologies in order, including apologizes and promises to fix the AP's fatally-flawed stringer-based methods of reporting that have little to no editorial checks, and allows those with apparent insurgent ties to infiltrate and propagate false reports. AP executives should also issue apologies to the thousands of news organizations around the world that until now trusted the APÂ’s reporting, and internally, they should offer apologies to the overwhelming majority of honest journalists who work for the Associated Press around the world.
It will take months to rebuild the failed policies that led to the collapse of the AP's reporting efforts in Iraq, and double that time to implement those changes. Until these new methodologies are born out by time, the AP will have to suffer the loss of confidence that their flawed product created.
Of course, no error in judgement of this scale is complete without senior management acknowledging their failures.
If they truly care about the integrity of reporting in the Associated Press, Executive Editor Kathleen Carol should end her list of apologies and retractions with a resignation, as should AP international editor John Daniszewski.
Then—and only then—can we begin to look back through the 60 other stories to which Jamil Hussein was a source, and see whether any more of these accounts require retractions and apologies.
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AP has frozen up like a deer in the headlights while the Blogosphere has taken charge of the situation quicker than Ripley did in Aliens. Kathleen Carol has been reqesting her troops to lay down suppressive fire with the flamers and fall back to secondary positions, not realizing that Sarge is dead and Hudson is getting the f*ck out of Dodge. GAME OVER!
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 18, 2006 03:49 PM (oC8nQ)
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*pop*
*pop* *pop*
*pop* *pop* *pop* *pop*
That's the sound of corks coming out of Champagne bottles ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 04:49 PM (xXVSL)
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CY
It seems to me that the party issuing an apology, in order to make the words valuable and meaningful must have a conscience, self-reflection, honor, integrity, objectivity and no ulterior agenda.
Where in the world would the AP find those attributes?
A serial offender is not likely to inflict self-penance.
And as a card carrying member of the Code of Silence, the AP would be a pariah for letting the leftist media's slip show like this. Nope. Won't happen.
It will be buried in the want ad section, on page 18... and read something like, "we regret the error in misidentifying one our sources". And it will be buried by all the other cult members who adhere to the Code of Silence as well.
There will be no apology...because they don't believe in playing by your rules. Or my rules. Or anyone's rules. They make them up as they go along. Media anomy. It's the new reality.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 18, 2006 05:29 PM (V56h2)
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In honor of my upcoming birthday, I have decieded to start writing angry letters to the editor. I have since sent two emails to AP demanding the resignation of both Qais 'I see imaginary cops who see burning dead people' Al-Bashir and Kathleen 'Mad Blog Rabble Rouser' Carroll.
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THEY WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE
–They will simply DROP the story, as when they stopped talking about Qana, Red Cross bus ambulance “bombings”, Isreali attacks on UNIFIL, Burned Sunnis, etc.
– That means you WON
– I have never seen them admit to any significant falsehood, no matter how egregious
– They retract typos, and small errors
– E.G., Waiting for the MSM retract their inverted reporting of the US victory in the Vietnam Tet offensive, which they still describe as a defeat
– (Tet 1968, was key, because the US and South Vietnam DESTROYED the Viet Cong, leaving the war to the invading regular North Vietnam army. Thereafter, there were no significant populist socialist Vietnamese “resistance freedom fighters” left – only millions of Communist invaders, dying rapidly as the US and South Vietnamese won every significant battle)
– No one nailed the MSM hard enough, then or now, and they continue blithely falsifying Vietnam as a defeat, with Tet as a “turning point”
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Monday Morning Jamilgate
Nothing yet from Danzinger over at
Winds of Change to further his claim of possibly finding the AP's missing Iraqi Police Officer Jamil Hussein, but Patrick Frey spoke with him last night, and seems to think there might be
something there:
I just got off the phone with Marc "Armed Liberal" Danziger. If everything comes together the way he hopes it will, he is going to blow the lid off of this Jam(a)il Hussein controversy. If heÂ’s able to put together what he told me about on the phone, it's huge.
I wish I could say more.
Note that Patterico, lawyer that he is, doesn't say who is going to get burned.
Patterico also catches some fact-free lefty bloggers who were jumping to conclusions that are factually incorrect, to defend a story without any physical supporting evidence, based upon a typically uncritical post from a "news" industry site run by an admitted liar and revisionist with his own admitted history of using false sources.
As I have been pushing hard for a while now, Jamil Hussein is just one aspect of this story. The Associated Press has yet to account for unsubstantiated propaganda it repeated from this story for the Association of Muslim Scholars, a group with strong ties to the insurgency that claimed 18 people were killed in "an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque." There is zero supporting evidence for this claim made by a terrorist-associated group, and yet the AP reported it as fact.
How is this not dishonest journalism?
How is this not supporting terrorist propaganda?
The Associated Press has been curiously silent about its still unsubstantiated claims that four mosques--Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa--were rocketed with RPGs, fired upon with heavy machine gus and assault rifles, and set on fire, with only the intervention of U.S forces stopping the carnage.
But we know that the al-Muhaimin mosque stands undamaged, and there is zero evidence that 18 people were killed inside. We know that tow other mosques are completely undamaged as well. Only Nidaa Allah suffered minor fire damage, quickly extinguished by Iraqi firefighters, who curiously did not find 18 people burned in an inferno there or anywhere else, nor an additional six burning bodies lying in the street. Nor were U.S forces ever in Hurriyah, an area exclusively patrolled by Iraqi forces.
By all means, I hope that Danziger can provide solid evidence that he located someone named Jamil Hussein. Perhaps Hussein, once identified, can point us to which AP reporters are most responsible for the Associated Press' apparent on-going journalistic malpractice, cover-up, and fraud in this, and potentially other instances.
The 60s radicals may have been partially right:
Don't trust anyone over -30-
Update: Though he made a noble effort, Marc Danziger concludes that despite his earlier comments, Captain Jamil Hussein does not exist. What he does turn up, however is that their is a suspect sergeant by that name with ties to the dead Uday Hussein (Saddam's sadist son) and Baathist dead-enders. While Danziger won't say it, I'd posit from those details that this Sgt. Hussein is obviously a Sunni, is perhaps tied to the insurgency, and certainly not who the AP claims he is.
Nice guy that I am, I'm currently working on helping Kathleen Carroll write the apology and retraction she should have released weeks ago. Here it is.
Update: SeeDubya maps the impossibilities.
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So how do you like your crow, well done, or medium rare?
Posted by: Frederick at December 18, 2006 01:18 PM (jSBbA)
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It seems many people are putting a whole lotta faith in Liberal Avenger based solely on his screen name. By his own admission, he is not sure how his investigation will affect the current debate. Now that he has everyone's attention, he is going to have to produce something.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 18, 2006 01:51 PM (oC8nQ)
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Please tell me, Fred, why I should have to eat crow?
The AP claims that Jamil Hussein has been a known source of theirs for two years, and yet they have been unable to provide a single shred of evidence over the past three weeks that shows he exists. In contrast, the Iraqi Interior Ministry officially disputes he exists at any level of the interior ministry or police force, at any rank or level.
The AP claims that four mosques were rocketed, machine-gunned, and burned, with a total body count of 24 dead. There has been zero physical evidence brought forth that so much as a single soul died.
Not one.
The Associated Press uncritically quoted an insurgent-related group as a source for three-quarters of the deaths claimed, without letting readers know that they are widely considered to be affiliated with terrorists. Nor does the AP have the integrity to admit that the mosque where these 18 were "killed" lies completed unaffected, undamaged, and unsoiled. 3 of the 4 mosques have no damage at all, and the fourth had minor damage and no injuries. The AP has refused to issue a retraction, and continues to propagate a lie refuted by the Iraqi Defense, Interior, and Health Ministries.
Please explain to me why, Fred, when the AP has been unable to substantiate a series of terrorist attacks and murders without a single shred of physical or photographic evidence after three weeks of counterclaims, and in opposition to official pronouncements from multiple government agencies that the physical evidence (or lack thereof) is in direct contradiction to the APÂ’s claims, should feel the least bit defensive?
I do
not, in any way, have any reason to be firing up the grill, unless you want me to continue my roast of the AP's shoddy fact-checking, uncritical parroting of insurgent propaganda, and inability to substantial the basic facts of their stories or validate the credibility of long-running sources.
The AP is guilty of continued fraud and faith-based reporting in at least this instance, and you and so many of your compatriots carry so much ideological hatred that you are actually
eager to swallow their dung and pronounce it ambrosia.
If anyone should be feeling defensive, Fred, it should be those uncritical liberal bloggers far more interested in continuing their narrative than acknowledging the deep structural flaws in the APÂ’s reporting of this story.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 18, 2006 01:52 PM (g5Nba)
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CY
I would let the leftists cook all the crow they want...let them put down some fine linens and sterling for the feast.
As you know, I smelled a rat creeping out when the leftists started to congeal on the issue of "finding" the Captain and Jamil...but combined with complete and utter silence on all the core subjects from the AP and the other parrots and lemmings already there.
That simply does not compute. There's a trick up somebody's sleeve here. I can sense it.
And, if I was a leftist sitting in the wings grinning like a babu'n...and ready to ululate and pass out candy...I might not call the confectioner just yet.
There's more to this story than meets the eye, but when it's all said and done...whatever the trick is, is JUST as likely to blow up in the face of the goofs who are about to try to pull it off....if this is indeed a trick.
I still smell a rat. And now that we've begun to see his shadow...he lists leftward when he minces across the floor. Patience. Let them cook crow all they want. We'll just wait to see who has to eat it.
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Hussein Revealed?
Marc Danziger posts over at
Winds of Change that he thinks there might be a
Jamail Hussein at the Yarmouk Police Station in Baghdad. He doesn't provide any evidence, but then, he doesn't claim this is a certainty, either.
I posted the following in the comments:
I guess the question to this part of the equation is whether or not "Jamail Hussein" is "Jamil Hussein."
I find it unlikely.
AP pointed us to this specific police station and provided Jamil Gholaiem Hussein as the full name of their source. It defies all logic to think that both the American and Iraqi forces involved here would not have combed every possible variant of his name, and have not run through through the personnel records of every single officer at the Yarmouk police station... not to mention the probability that they interviewed every cop at Yarmouk to see if they knew of Hussein. I think it more likely that your Jamail Hussein is indeed a real Iraqi policeman, but somehow I doubt he is a Captain, and I think you'll find he will deny being AP's source.
But as I've said on my site, Hussein is only one aspect of the story reported on November 24.
The AP reported 4 mosques were rocketed with RPGs, machine-gunned with both heavy machine guns and assault rifles, burned, and blown up... and yet the AP has provided no evidence that these buildings were damaged, and officials from the Iraqi Army, Iraqi Police, and Iraqi Health Ministry (presumably in charge of the fire department) report only one mosque suffering minor fire damage, with the other three untouched.
The AP claimed six men were pulled alive from a rocketed mosque, doused in kerosene, and then burned alive. The AP also uncritically reported a claim by the Association of Muslim Scholars (long thought to be affiliated with the insurgency) that as many as a dozen people burned to death inside one of the burning mosques... one of the mosques that was found to be undamaged, much less destroyed.
Not a single body has been found, nor does anyone seem o be able to locate family members of those killed, or friends, or anyone who can so much as name the victims.
There seems to be zero physical evidence that the AP could produce in three trips to the area, and with three trips they've been unable to get anyone, official or unoffical, or go on the record supporting their claims with the exception of a Sunni elder that has since refuted his claim, and our friend, Captain Jamil Hussein.
The AP insists Hussein exists. At this point, they must. He is the only thing they can hang this story on, and if that falls apart, this story is utterly discredited. Of course, if this story falls apart, the AP's credibility takes a huge hit, not just for thist story, but becuase Captain Jamil Hussein was a named source on 60 other AP stories, throwing all those stories in doubt.
Bylines to those 61 stories were provided by 17 AP reporters... not exactly helping their credibility, either.
To further up the ante, Jamil Hussein is just one of more than a dozen "Iraqi policemen" cited by the AP in past (and current) reports for which the Iraqi Interior Ministry cannot confirm their employment or authenticity.
I don't think I'm overstating the case by saying that AP's entire portfolio of Iraq reporting credibility rests on the existence and authenticity of Jamil Hussein being an authentic Iraqi police captain.
For this very reason which the Associated Press undboutably understands, the AP would have produced an authentic police captain by now if they had one.
More than likely, Jamail Hussein is not Jamil Hussein, just as these blown up mosques still stand.
I think it is worth repeating that Jamilgate is a multi-faceted scandal. There are two basic questions driving this continuing event:
- Were four mosques and 18 people murdered (not including the six men by immolation) in Hurriyah as alleged by the Associated Press?
- Does the long-time AP source "Jamil Gholaiem Hussein." a Captain in the Iraqi Police, actually exist?
The first part deals with the specific allegations of a series of terrorist acts, and the evidence supporting those allegations. The second part deals with the credibility of a heavily-used and deeply trusted Associated Press source.
The common thread uniting the two parts? The unquestioning belief of the Associated Press in both the Hurriyah attacks they reported, and the man who was the primary source of this and 60 other stories, Jamil Hussein.
So far, the Associated Press hasn't been able to provide the first shred of physical or photographic evidence to support the existence of 18 killed in "an inferno at the al-Muhaimi mosque," nor six men pulled from a mosque and immolated, nor four mosques being rocketed, machine gunned, and burned, nor of a solitary Iraqi police captain who is the primary source of all those claims.
I somewhat doubt that he will when so many others have failed, but if Marc Danziger can prove the existence of Jamil Hussein, the world will be able to thank a blogger for doing what the largest news agency in the world could not.
With the Hussein question settled, we can then focus all of our efforts on trying to unravel why Hussein apparently lied about the attacks in Hurriyah, and begin to determine how many of the other five dozen stories he fed to the Associated Press were falsified, to what extent, and why.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at December 17, 2006 11:17 PM (n7SaI)
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For $20 you could get anyone to say they were Jamil Hussein.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 12:16 AM (xXVSL)
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There's obviously a lot more to the story than his simply being there, so I agree. We're working on several of the questions you've got posted; let's see what we've got tomorrow.
A.L.
Posted by: Armed Liberal at December 18, 2006 12:24 AM (RHb9q)
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My first thought upon hearing of AL's report was that this had all been some sort of "honey pot" trap.....I guess I'm just a product of the times I live in.
Posted by: TBinSTL at December 18, 2006 02:43 AM (MSiPb)
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So left wing bloggers are coming to the defense of AP. My question is when is AP going to come to the defense of AP? So far all AP is responded back with is righteous indignation. When are they going to release actual facts and evidence to support their CLAIMS? Or has the fourth estate forgotten that the need to occasionally back up their stories with EVIDENCE.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 18, 2006 08:59 AM (oC8nQ)
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I smell a rat....still.
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Jamil Hussein Goes Ivy League
Don't worry. This isn't Yale allowing the corporeally-challenged Captain to join the student body like
Taliban of semesters gone by, but a solid op-ed in the
Daily Princtonian, titled
You Can't Handle the Truth.
An excerpt:
That the story is wrong is beyond debate; even the AP now refers to one burned mosque, not four, so the question is not "if" but "how badly" the AP screwed up. Yet instead of an apology, the AP's response to criticism has been to shoot the messenger. The story first broke on the conservative blog www.floppingaces.net and grew quickly within a circle of other conservative blogs and opinion columns. The AP alleged that this was simply a "mad blog rabble" attacking an entirely reputable source. This ignores the fact that Hussein only became a story after the U.S. military and Iraqi government demanded but did not receive a retraction of the original faulty report.
So why have traditional media sources not reported this controversy? Because it is not in their interests to undermine the AP. This summer's "fauxtography" scandal at Reuters, in which photographers were found to have photoshopped evidence of Israeli atrocities during the Hezbollah war, did not hit at the underlying narrative. The storyline stayed the same with different details. If the AP has to issue a correction for all 61 stories in which Hussein was quoted, it will call into question fundamental perceptions about what is happening in Iraq. If Hussein isn't real, it suggests that there are other as yet undiscovered fakes.
If our media is reporting as fact attacks that never occurred substantiated by witnesses who don't exist, then we have a problem. Public opinion about distant events is necessarily based on what is reported in the press. Therefore, we need to be confident that what we read is real.
Requiring that our news be real? What kind of subversive things are they teaching these days?
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One things for sure, Barry Caro will not be going to Baghdad to find out the truth of things himself.
He'll be safe as a Princeton sophomore, not as a Marine or Soldier.
Posted by: observer 5 at December 14, 2006 04:35 PM (X/BmB)
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Strangely, a quick google shows that Mr. Caro has already responded to your hackneyed meme.
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/09/28/opinion/15959.shtml?type=printable
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 14, 2006 05:09 PM (oC8nQ)
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LOL BTT. It kills me how easy it is to make some of these folks eat their own words.
Posted by: Specter at December 14, 2006 06:20 PM (ybfXM)
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Yeah but Specter...how do you get their words...past their foot?
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 14, 2006 06:32 PM (V56h2)
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CY
On the Captain and Jamil farewell tour, promoted by Greasy Easy Jordan...is it just me, or does anyone else smell a rat? And a trap?
Michelle doesn't need me to look out for her, obviously...but...wouldn't Jordan have some contacts remaining from the days of carrying water for the Sunni and Sharia dog and pony show that he oversaw for CNN?
Why does he crawl out from behind the baseboards and issue the challenge to Michelle, right out of the gate? There are a few thoughts that come immediately to mind:
1)Bounce back relevancy motive: He semi-challenges one of the heavyweights (ie; Glenn, Charles, Michelle) and then basks in the reflected starlight, instead of remaining in the dank, dark corners of humiliation and irrelevance.
2)He's trying to clean up his image motive: If he "finds" Harvey the Invisible Rabbit, he wins...if he doesn't he claims he's been impartial all along and this proves it.
3)It's a setup. Somebody is sitting there ready to play the role of the good Captain and Michelle is going to be setup, unable to gain access to anyone who can refute it. Jordan has someone, a bunch of someone's...ready to give "evidence"...and it's a pre-planned script.
It's impossible to believe that he doesn't have contacts there. Especially with the Sunni's, whom he allowed to propagandize while Saddam was still in business. They owe him and here's a chance to repay. Maybe he gets "just enough" "evidence" to cloud the story and give cover to the AP.
I smell a rat, but I'm willing to be convinced that one of the first two prospects is more plausible. Or maybe a fourth that I haven't considered...but this is too neat, too pat...something's not right here.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 14, 2006 08:25 PM (V56h2)
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Barry Caro will not be going to Baghdad to find out the truth of things himself.
Well there's an independent "Jamil Hussein hunt" being organized, so I guess we'll have the answer soon enough.
If he exists I think we can trust Eason Jordan to say so...well maybe not. But if he is there Malkin would be willing to admit it.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2006 12:32 AM (xXVSL)
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The press has lied about Iraq.
The nation listened and then voted.
An election has been swayed by leftist press lies.
How extreme should the accounting be?
Time to Water the Tree of Liberty.
Posted by: George Dixon at December 15, 2006 07:27 AM (COB3g)
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cf,
IF (big IF), they find someone who is supposed to be the dear police officer, the next step would be to walk with him to the Interior Ministry Dept and clear up why he is not on the roles as an officer.
Just seeing someone purportedly named Jamil Hussein is not good enough. That is what happened with the AP. To prove his existence, he must be found and then verified by someone who keeps the data. I would start in the payroll department - surely the good officer gets paid. Then we can check where he banks - or spends his money. The money trail won't lie.
Posted by: Specter at December 15, 2006 07:50 AM (ybfXM)
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I know there are people that might doubt Jordan's intenions, and with good reason I might add. But you know, this was a guy drummed out of CNN. The MSM has turned their back on him. He has two choices if he wants to stay relevant. Be like Peter Arnett, who I believe is now the Information Minister for the Islamic State of Iraq, or become a thorn in the MSM's side. Like many major media players, this isn't about politics, this is about greed and stroking Jordan's ego. If he can take down AP, he will have carved out a nice little niche for himself, and we may have found a new ally on one of the most important fronts in the War on Terror.
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Specter
I understand WHAT must be done, but a couple of nagging questions keep gnawing at me.
Why has nobody else gone to the very police station where this guy was "met with, numerous times" his office in the Yarmouk police station in west Baghdad???
How hard would it be for ANY of the other Ministry of Media members to go there and ask to see him? Have him pointed out to them?
Doesn't this strike anyone else as strangeness in the extreme? He's a CAPTAIN...in a NAMED police station, in a NAMED (Yarmouk) section of the city. (nowhere near the site of the phony immolations or bombing of the mosques, by the way).
So, NOBODY has gone back to that station and looked at the captain, his office...talked to any of the other higher ranking officials...nothing? I don't believe it for a minute. We aren't getting affirmations OR denials...we are getting silence. Why?
BTT
Again, much like Specter...I hear where you are coming from...but I simply don't believe that "Like many major media players, this isn't about politics"....I believe that the Ministry of Media is ALL about politics...and a political agenda.
Jordan resigned over the flap about journalists being targeted by the military...and HE'S going to back up CENTCOM and not the AP???
It just seems to me that if he wants to get some payback against the military, the blogosphere that cost him his job, and utilize his sources from the days as Baghdad Bob's waterboy...it's got all the elements of a springloaded trap.
Then again, maybe he has done a complete 180 on everything he has been up to this very moment in time. Ya think?
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 15, 2006 02:48 PM (V56h2)
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"I believe that the Ministry of Media is ALL about politics...and a political agenda."
I believe its only partly about the politics. I think its mostly all about the Benjamins. The MSM sells the left wing agenda because that's what sells, or at least what used to sell.
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BTT
If that's the case, I have only a couple more questions:
1)Why do ALL of them (the old media, the stage and theater branch, print, ....ALL...) continue to push leftist pap...when they are losing revenue in the billions of dollars?
Wouldn't it seem to be somewhat axiomatic that they would (at least some of them) REVERSE direction or at least shift gears?
Instead, they seem to be digging in their collective heels HARDER. That would seem to work against the theory that their primary motivation is dollars. It would seem, instead...that they are attached to leftist dogma, GREATER than they are attached to profit motive.
2)How does photoshopping photos, staging phony scenes, making up fake sources, withholding information about progress in Iraq and Afghanistan, distorting, misrepresenting, obscuring, the facts and evidence...how is that tied to the PROFIT motive?
Wouldn't that make them LESS trustworthy and therefore less appealing to folks that might otherwise spend money in their direction?
I completely understand that it's counterintuitive that they might actually be working AGAINST their profit motive, but that sure seems like what's happening from view here in the center field bleachers.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 15, 2006 04:03 PM (V56h2)
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cfbleachers,
You are thinking like the reader of blogs. Think instead like the consumers of the MSM and then see how many of these stories show up there and what those stories say. I would bet that Eason Jordan will be at most a one day story, Hussein will be shown to exist (without checking the validity of his existence), the AP will be vindicated (so far as the MSM is concerned) since the AP is where the MSM gets its stories, and we will still be told lies and slanted news by the media. The blogs will be tarred as being right wing hacks out to slander the good name of their betters, the MSM reporters, and cast aspersions on what a quagmire the Iraq war is and it is all the fault of the right wing religious wingnuts out there.
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What do you guys have to say to
this?
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I'd like to introduce both a marvelous bit of technology to Associated Press Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll, AP international editor John Daniszewski, and the newly, and
curiously promoted, AP Baghdad News Editor, Kim Gamel.
The marvelous bit of technology you see pictured below is what those of us on the cutting edge call a "disposable camera." In specific, the example pictured is a variant of the Kodak Fun Saver.
They have come up with a few more variants to suit your needs, and the prices are such that even a cash-starved global news agency can afford to send them out with even the most inexperienced of stringers. Your reporters don't have to return from Baghdad slums without any physical evidence ever again!
What will they think up next?
Now... how about a practical application of this new-fangled technology?
As we all know horrible acts of sectarian violence were claimed by AP reporters on November 24 in the Hurriyah neighborhood of Baghdad. According to a claim from long-time AP source Police Captain Jamil Hussein, a man that has since tripped and fallen off the planet, six Sunni men were pulled from a mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned alive.
In addition, AP claimed:
...members of the Mahdi Army militia burned four mosques and several homes while killing 12 other Sunni residents in the once-mixed Hurriyah neighborhood, Hussein said.
Gunmen loyal to radical anti-American Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr began taking over the neighborhood this summer and a majority of its Sunni residents already had fled.
The militiamen attacked and burned the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques in the rampage that did not end until American forces arrived, Hussein said.
The gunmen attack with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles. Residents said militiamen prevented them from entering burned structures to take away the bodies of victims.
All that carnage, and your stringers without a Fun Saver.
Just think... how much credibility could have been saved if the Associated Press stringers had access to such technology on any of their first three trips into the neighborhood to cover this story?
Instead, we have a "he said, she said," stalemate where the AP claims these four mosques were rocketed, machine gunned, burned, and blown up, and coalition forces instead insist that only one mosque suffered though any attack at all, and that was a minor fire put out by the local fire department.
If these mosques are indeed intact, the first person to snap four pictures of the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques intact will have wrecked the reputation of the world's largest news organization for $3.75.
An empowering thing, technology.
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Ouchie. That'll leave a mark.
Posted by: chris Muir at December 14, 2006 11:21 AM (+CRDT)
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We use those when we go on vacation, no need to worry about expensive cameras getting stolen.
Posted by: D at December 14, 2006 11:32 AM (VNM5w)
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Does the Fun Saver have PhotoShop built in or is that a free download?
Posted by: AW at December 14, 2006 01:16 PM (pnNpi)
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Man, don't you know they can't use film!!?? They can't just pop these into a laptop card reader and bring up photoshop. Wait, they've got laptops, card readers and full versions of photoshop at like $750 a license? Hmm, maybe they can afford a few FunSavers.
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Don't you know, Bob...the Ministry of Media is only interested in producing the "negatives".
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Newsiness
When is news not news?
How about when the subject matter is a decades old story that just happens to be the subject of a new Hollywood blockbuster produced by a sister media company?
The article on CNN is called Blood diamonds: Miners risk lives for chance at riches.
Deep into the body of the article, we see this:
Sierra Leone is the setting for the new movie "Blood Diamond." Leonardo DiCaprio plays a crooked Zimbabwean ex-mercenary who searches for a rare pink diamond. (The film was produced by Warner Bros. Pictures, which like CNN.com is owned by Time Warner.)
It's a movie that should stir controversy about just how careful the precious gem industry has been in making sure diamonds are bought and sold legally.
SFGate.com, CBS News (check the sidebars), and many other newsie stories just happen to be coming out in conjunction with Le Dicaprio's new movie.
Using the news to promote fiction.
Shocking, I know.
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In a column published last night, Eric Boehlert does an excellent job of showing why David Brock's
Media Matters should be regarded as the alimentary canal of punditry; on one end it's good at regurgitation, and on the other, the finalized product is consistently something better flushed.
In Michelle Malkin fiddles while Baghdad burns, Boehlert dishonestly addresses the continuing Associated Press scandal surrounding the "Burning Six" story that emerged from the Sunni enclave of Hurriyah in Baghdad on November 24.
By the next day, even more details had emerged in the AP's story along with a description of why the alleged attacks finally ended.
Synthesize the various versions of the story, and you will have a horrific story of how Shia gunmen attacked while the Iraqi police and military stood by, without interfering, as four mosques were destroyed and as many as 18 people were killed, including six Sunni men pulled from a mosque and burned alive after being doused with kerosene. Only the arrival of American military units brought an end to the carnage.
But here's the problem... there is little to no evidence that any of these events took place.
Contrary to the AP's reporting, the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques were never blown up. There is no evidence uncovered that a single soul, much less 18, were burned in an "inferno" at the al-Muhaimin mosque. In fact, soldiers from the 6th Iraqi Army Division found al-Muhaimin completely undamaged.
There is no evidence whatsoever that six men were pulled from a mosque under attack, doused in kerosene, set on fire, and then only shot once they quit moving.
Only the Nidaa Allah suffered minor fire damage from a Molotov cocktail, and no injuries were reported. The Iraqi Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Defense were apparently unable to discover any other physical evidence of any attacks in Hurriyah as the Associated Press, and only the Associated Press, claimed. Further, U.S. soldiers never intervened in Hurriyah on November 24.
The entirety of the Associated PressÂ’ reporting on these alleged events relies on the testimony of two named sources and a handful of anonymous sources. Of those two sources, Sunni Imad al-Hashimi recanted his story after being interviewed by the Defense Ministry, leaving just one named source upon which the Associated Press was hanging its credibility, Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein.
As we now know, the Iraqi Interior Ministry has now gone on the record, declaring that they have no record of anyone by the name of Jamil Hussein employed as an Iraqi policeman, at any rank. They also disputed the records of more than a dozen other AP sources that claimed to be part of the Iraqi police for which they had no records.
Further research indicated that Jamil Hussein was often on hand to report Shia on Sunni violence, and that Hussein had been used as a source for the Associated Press and no other news outlet, 61 times since April 24.
Boehlert, of course, is unsurprisingly disinterested as to why the Associated Press runs a story claiming the destruction of four mosques, the deaths of 18 people (six of them by immolation), or the allegations that Shiite military and police units allowed the attacks to take place. He quite purposefully leaves out the fact that all of the AP's sources were anonymous, other than the one that recanted, and the other that was exposed as long-running fraud.
Like the AP, Eric Boehlert seems far more interested in protecting a narrative and attacking the messengers, than seeking to discover how the AP's reporting could have been so horribly compromised.
He attacks "warbloggers," explicitly (and falsely) stating that those citizen journalists interested in getting to the bottom of this and other questionable instance of reporting blame the press "squarely" for the state of the war, a preposterous claim he does not even attempt to prove.
Few, if any, highly-regarded bloggers hold that opinion. Bad pre-war planning and post-invasion implementation of the same are widely acknowledged for much of the problems on the ground in Iraq, as are undisputed facts that al Qaeda, Syria, and Iran have contributed to the violence.
What Boehlert would like to gloss over (as it suits his narrative and that of the organization he writes for) are the very real structural problems with the stringer-based systems of reporting in Iraq.
In Iraq, the overwhelming majority of foreign journalists never leave the relative safety of Baghdad's Green Zone. Most newsgathering done in Iraq is compiled by Iraqi journalists, which in and of itself is to be expected. Iraqis know their country, their communities their language and their politics far more intimately than any Western reporter is ever likely to achieve. From that perspective, it would make little sense to rely primarily on Borat-like foreign reporters to cover what is going on inside the country.
But even though Iraqi reporters are the logical best choice to cover Iraqi events, the Associated Press and other wire services must be cognizant of the fact that just like the fellow Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds in their fractious society, reporters and their sources will also have regional, sectarian and tribal biases.
Because of this, all news organizations, especially the largest news organizations such as the Associated Press and Reuters, have an obligation to their readers to provide a robust set of editorial checks and balances to verify that the reporters they use and the sources they quote are supported by factual evidence.
As we now know, at least the final stories of the almost certainly fictitious Captain Jamil Hussein have no supporting physical evidence. Even repeated trips to the Hurriyah neighborhood have been unable to extricate the Associated Press from this mess of their own making. There are no destroyed mosques. There are no bodies.
Nothing.
Characteristically dishonest in his claims, Boehlert claims that bloggers are engaging in "wide-ranging conspiracy theories and silencing skeptical voices."
The truth of the matter is precisely the opposite; we're asking for more skeptical voices, more layers of fact-checking and editorial professionalism that seemingly have disappeared once wire service reporters join what Michael Fumento and other combat journalists from all sides of the political spectrum have derided as the "Baghdad Brigade."
If the Associated Press had a working system of checks and balances to do background checks on their reporters, they might not be in the embarrassing position of having one of their Iraqi stringers in prison after he was captured in a weapons cache with a terrorist commander, coated in explosives.
If the Associated Press had a working system of checks and balances to verify their sources, they might not have been listening to a false Iraqi policeman for two years, and more than a dozen other "policemen" that the Iraqi Interior Ministry says does not work for them (NOTE: The AP still uses these same named suspect policemen as sources to this very day).
If the Associated Press had a working system of editorial fact-checking, the lack of physical evidence alone should have precluded the burning mosques/burning men claims from ever having run. Hunkered down for in the Green Zone, the isolated fortress mindset infecting the media has led to reporting where allegations, not facts, are enough reason to run a story written by men and women who have never seen the subject matter on which they report.
Pure and simple, it is "faith-based" reporting.
It is because of this kind of absentee journalism that wave after wave of combat veterans return home from Iraq and Afghanistan claiming that the media is consistently misrepresenting what is going on in Iraq. Not necessarily better or worse, but just plain wrong. It's hardly surprising. You wouldn't expect a reporter in Boise to effectively cover a bank robbery in Raleigh, so why would you expect a reporter in a Baghdad hotel to accurately reporter events in Ramadi?
The problems of reporting in Iraq are based on flawed news-gathering processes and methodologies, questionable vetting of reporters and sources, and continued poor editorial oversight. The Associated Press responds to these problems exposed by Jamilgate by promoting those involved.
Boehlert shows he is far more interested in choking down typical Media Matters talking points and excreting arrogance mixed with contempt than engaging in any honest attempt to identify and fix obvious flaws in a broken system of reporting that lead to false reporting such as that evidence in Jamilgate. Apparently, "truthiness" is close enough for his purposes.
His mentor must be proud.
Update: Michelle piles on. Apparently Boelhert got even more wrong than I realized:
He is such an idiot that he doesn't even read the link that he includes to bolster his ridiculous charge.
I am the one who called a fellow conservative blogger to task for irresponsibly reporting that anonymous Republican sources had accused a Democrat staffer in Harry Reid's office of being the source. If he had bothered to follow his own links, this clown would know that. Or maybe he did and it doesn't matter. He's got a narrative to protect.
Boehlert charges that "[W]arbloggers aren't interested in an honest, factual debate about a single instance of journalistic accountability."
Like he would know anything about honest, factual debates and journalistic accountability?
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.
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Eric Boehlert is proof positive that you can't give vi-gra to leftist media apologists ...it only makes them taller.
Pulling all the same, tired, trite, smug and pedantic tripe from the Ministry of Media's playbook...this rambling, disjointed, puerile and inane attack on the AUDACITY of questioning the heretofore miserable record for honesty and ethics emanating from the cesspool of leftist scribes...is an inverted Code of Silence...it's the Code of Silence...by shouting, screaming and ranting for everyone else to shut up.
Eric Boehlert is to calm reflection what Michael Moore is to sartorial splendor.
For those who have little interest in watching yet another Ministry of Media parrot work himself into a fine lather over one of the branches getting caught with their hand in the ethics cookie jar, yet again....let me sum up his tantrum.
"YOU ARE A DOODY BALL!" And while "Doody-ball Diplomacy" is now the fine art of leftist debate everywhere...it sure won't play over here...where we actually still honor things like facts, truth and evidence.
Produce Jamil, asshelmet....then we can talk.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 12, 2006 01:36 PM (V56h2)
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CY, you have not met your quota of "silencing skeptical voices" for the week. If you don't pick up the slack they will take away your jackboots.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at December 12, 2006 03:27 PM (n7SaI)
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CY doth protest too much.
Boehlert nailed you like a stuck pig and you went off into your fantasy land of "...but there was no period, so the sentence is false" nitpicking. Do you deny that all of those other murders took place concurrently? That Iraq is in utter chaos?
The reason why sane media haven't picked this up is that AP adequately sourced the story for most rational people. You notice that CENTCOM is no longer challenging the story?
And speaking of credibility, how did that Bush in a Chador story work out for you?
Posted by: Ed at December 12, 2006 03:47 PM (yfKhZ)
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Ed, I have no doubt that you think Eric Boehlert struck gold, simply because he reinforces your worldview. Following him means you don't have to think particularly hard, or be an individual, or challenge conventional wisdom over discrepancies in the evidence. If it makes you feel better, some people on the right do it as well. We call such people "Senator Lott."
It isn't "nitpicking" when the AP claims four mosques were leveled—excuse me, their exact words were "blown up," I believe—and not one was.
Not. One.
It isn't nit-picking when they publish a story when they say as many as 18 people were burned—six purposefully immolated—and provide zero physical evidence to support their contentions.
As a matter of fact, all the physical evidence, from intact mosques, to a lack of victims, refutes AP's story categorically.
You say that the AP "sourced the story enough for most rational people," without acknowledging the fact that the media can get away with the anonymous sources that drove this story and its follow-ups because over decades hard-working, diligent reporters have earned the public's trust... a trust today's journalists have been abusing. Many people now view reporters with more contempt than they do reporters, and with greater reason.
Central Command is no longer writing about his story for the simple reason that there is nothing else let to say that hasn't already been said.
All the physical evidence—each and every bit—supports Central Command's versions of events. Of the two named witnesses, one has reversed his story, and the other has been proven a fraud, and a fraud that the AP trusted for 61 stories. What else do you want them to say, other than to repeat the case they've already made?
As for my "Drugs are Bad" post, in which the misreading of Jpeg compression artifacts and a case of the sillies brought about by surprisingly good cough syrup led me to put up a half-serious post about an Iraqi woman looking suspiciously like the President in drag, it worked out quite well. I got 15,000 hits from Drudge in a few hours. When I got home, I got to giggle for two days as I watched your fellow travelers throw a complete hissy fit over it.
Why, for all the uproar, you would have though I put someone in
blackface.
Anyone who took that story as seriously should have their heads examined.
Of course, many of them already are.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 12, 2006 04:30 PM (g5Nba)
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And has AP learned their lession. Aparently not, according to CNN who reported today that "Iraqi police Lt. Bilal Ali Majid told The Associated Press that most of the victims were Shiites from poor areas of Baghdad such as Sadr City." Is Lt. Majid on the list questionable police sources? YOU BET HE IS!
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 12, 2006 04:53 PM (oC8nQ)
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And has AP learned their lession? Aparently not, according to CNN who reported today that "Iraqi police Lt. Bilal Ali Majid told The Associated Press that most of the victims were Shiites from poor areas of Baghdad such as Sadr City." Is Lt. Majid on the list questionable police sources? YOU BET HE IS!
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 12, 2006 04:53 PM (oC8nQ)
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AP adequately sourced the story for most rational people.
Where is Jamil Hussein again? I missed the AP proof that he exists.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 12, 2006 05:37 PM (RWCop)
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We seem to have moved from the ridiculous to the sublime.
Let's follow the Rube Goldberesque logic of the typical leftist lemming:
1)Story comes out that 18 people are, murdered, six of whom are burned alive by dousing them in kerosene and four mosques are bombed into oblivion.
2)The AP uses a "source" that they say they have "visited many times in his office" who is an alleged police captain...you know...with like a uniform, title and office type police officer.
3)NOBODY...and I mean NOBODY...has shown a single mosque in rubble in utterly destroyed...not even a PHOTOSHOPPED version of a mosque having been so attacked.
4)NOBODY....and I mean NOBODY...has appeared in Captain Jamil Hussein's office and asked for a clarification, follow up or amendment to his original "sourcing" of these horrific "acts". NOT A SINGLE OTHER NEWS AGENCY CAN LOCATE THE MAN.
So, let me get this straight. The four mosques that were destroyed, the 18 people who were murdered, the six kerosene doused victims AND Captain Jamil Hussein CANNOT BE FOUND, IDENTIFIED, VIEWED OR VERIFIED....and that is "adequately sourcing for most sane people"????
Where are the OTHER news agencies with potentially the most horrific act of violence and inhumanity? Where are the OTHER news agencies who can back up the existence of Jamil Hussein? Where is ANYONE who backs up this story as anything other than a complete fabrication? NOWHERE.
You see, when you are in the center of drekstorm of your own making...you attack the people who talk about the stench. That's your only recourse.
It's important to remind these paragons of false virtue, that TELLING THE TRUTH and not FABRICATING stories, not photoshopping photos, not creating Harvey the Invisible Rabbit as your sources...is important to the credibility of ALL that you present. If you are a liar, if you are a fabricator, if you have no ethics and no morals...despite all that your mindless apologists try to cover for you...YOU ARE STILL BASTARDIZING AND POLLUTING A PUBLIC TRUST.
If you can't separate out your devotion to dogma of leftist BS...then get the hell out of the business of reporting back to us the facts and evidence we need to make up our minds...because despite what you arrogant bastards believe...you aren't smarter than the rest of us and we are damn tired of you lying to us to advance your infantile leftist pap.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 12, 2006 06:30 PM (V56h2)
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And Ed "knows" that Iraq is in utter chaos because....the AP tells him so. Which somehow proves that the AP was correct in the mosque destruction/burning Sunni stories. errrr....yeah. That's the ticket.
Posted by: iconoclast at December 12, 2006 08:24 PM (stoqW)
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The sad fact is that passive research, i.e. letting the story come to them is what passes for journalism today. It is no wonder why the MSM is falling on hard times.
Posted by: Mnemosyne at December 12, 2006 09:31 PM (e7v7H)
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The antique MSM is still in free fall without a chute. The impact on landing is going to hurt. Anyone got any money in any of these weasel organizations? If so you are stupid.
Posted by: Scrapiron at December 12, 2006 09:43 PM (0Co69)
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Ed: You libs are quick to post your snarky little comments but when refuted with facts you disappear. Why don't you grow a set and respond to CY's response to you. Or are you gutless like Ms. John Kerry?
Posted by: Edward at December 12, 2006 11:23 PM (CNalv)
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Just waiting for the next AP venture into "adequately sourced and verified" on-scene reportage. What's it gonna be, Jimmeh Carter in fright-wig doing a "dead parrot" routine, embracing David Duke in sorrow for the calumny anti-Semitic racists have suffered all these years?
Why is it that the vast majority of newsies these days seem post-mentrual, verbalescent Femyappers? The one at AP ought to buckle up her chastity belt before risking further violation.
Posted by: John Blake at December 13, 2006 12:01 AM (p6Y29)
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Im sure this is all an honest mistake
Oh- anyone catch that Boehlert character on CSPAN a few months back?
He seems real proud of himself.
Whic of course, is the problem.
Ie, its all about HIM (as opposed to, you know, the TRUTH)
Posted by: TMF at December 13, 2006 08:01 AM (+BgNZ)
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Right on the money TMF. One would have to surmise that these people cannot be a stoopid as they constantly lead us to believe and the notion of absolute "Leftist Collegiate Brainwashing" seems unreasonable. Therefore the only possibility that remains is self preservation or finding a niche, making a dollar and sticking to it. I wonder how many of these dishonest (lying) pundits on both sides press their case because they have made their beds and must now "Lie" in them. All the more reason to respect someone like Horowitz.
Posted by: Dave at December 13, 2006 08:47 AM (M4tYt)
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You guys missed the real story which Capt Hussein could tell.....the 6 were actually whisked to Germany where they were burned in the dreaded gas chambers...which were unused according to the Iran President who is always in happy-happy land...and it just may be that Capt. Hussein is actually an Iranian Capt. who relays these stories to the AP so they don't actually have to have reporters in Iraq!
Wha???
The above makes as much sense as the liberal idiotarians who know there is still one thing and one thing only that might support AP's story as credible......
SHOW US THE CAPTAIN!!!
Duke
Posted by: Duke DeLand at December 13, 2006 10:24 AM (Y5TDN)
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This suedo-reporter's only purpose in publishing his dishonest and misleading screed is all contained in the first paragraph. He simply had to chide the Republicans for their loss in the election.
When are the real wordsmiths going to go to press about how the Islamist Murderers and leftist wackos all love that the Democrat retreatists are now in power?
Michael
Posted by: Michael O'Malley at December 13, 2006 11:35 AM (bLNK2)
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News organizations like AP exist because of dupes like Ed who will religiously believe anything and everything they post without question.
Posted by: docdave at December 13, 2006 11:43 AM (SBpOG)
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You and the other warbloggers, of course, bring no bias to the table whatsoever, right?
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 13, 2006 02:04 PM (brWuL)
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Avenger, no one has any doubts about my personal views or the policies I support. My biases are crystal clear.
The Associated Press, however, is another matter entirely.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 13, 2006 02:09 PM (g5Nba)
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...just a little molotov cocktail damage - that's all...
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 13, 2006 02:13 PM (brWuL)
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Well, it was only a matter of time before the "I know you are, but what am I" defense from the leftist apologist steaming pile.
This will be followed soon by the "Mommy, he started it" defense, followed by the "I'm rubber and you're glue..." defense.
Evidence that the Peter Pandemic has spread to plague proportions on the left.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 13, 2006 02:27 PM (V56h2)
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"Why is it that the vast majority of newsies these days seem post-mentrual, verbalescent Femyappers? The one at AP ought to buckle up her chastity belt before risking further violation."
How politically incorrect of you, JB. It's almost like you are saying that Carroll has a vagenda she wants to advance. I see a PC lynching in your future with my magic 8 ball.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 13, 2006 02:32 PM (V56h2)
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From minor fire damage to major melee in one unsubstantiated report from a witness unable to be found on planet Earth.
What's this have to do with inherent media bias? Oh, that's right, it doesn't. It has to do with VERIFIABLE FACTS and the distinct lack of them.
Thanks, Avenger, for the fine example of misdirection.
Posted by: deesine at December 13, 2006 02:55 PM (iLGvx)
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It is just so deliciously ironic that ultra-conservatives like Confederate Yankee and Michelle Malkin are declaring themselves to be the holy arbiters of truth while the rest of the world - especially the Islamofascists and the MSM - are parties with an inherent bias so strong they can't be trusted.
I wonder if Confederate Yankee - or any of the rest of you commenters - has the courage to declare Iraq to be a waste or a failure or a disaster. Of course you don't. In your eyes Iraq is only a disaster insofar as the MSM and liberal bloggers conspire to hide the "good news" from the rest of the free world.
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 13, 2006 03:44 PM (brWuL)
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Well, Liberal Avenger, Iraq may very well be a disaster but it's hard to make that determination with the quality of information coming out of the AP and Reuters.
There's a big difference between minor fire damage to one mosque and the complete destruction of four mosques.
I listen to the traffic news to decide what route to take to work. If every accident, from a fender-bender to an overturned tanker truck, were reported as a major pileup with freeway closures and life-flight helicopters it would be rather difficult to make any kind of informed decision based on that.
Posted by: Magoo at December 13, 2006 04:29 PM (1Aw4W)
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You think I'm ultra-conservative? Perhaps in relation to how far left you are, but that only goes to reinforce just how far off center your views are in comparison. Other than my views on fighting Islamofascism, my views are almost dead-center, at least according to those little political quizes that people post on their blogs from time to time (Quizzes aside, I'm
slightly right of center).
This also probably comes as a shock to you and every other liberal, but as the campaign is on-going, it is premature to declare it a waste, failure, or a disaster. While I suspect quitting and failure is just part of your nature, I also suspect you rely purely on the mainstream media and liberal blogs for your information about the war.
Conservative bloggers, while we read what the press has to say, also get their information from milbloggers, servicemen who have been in combat zones in Iraq, and embeds. We're simply better informed, becuase we seek information everywhere we can, and are willing to leave our echo-chamber to do so.
It is a fact, and one that the media acknowledges, that they do not typically carry the day-to-day positive developments coming out of Iraq or Afghanistan. Good news, from insurgent cells being captured, or wells being dug, or schools being built, tends to be boring. Bad news, such as a suicide bombing, is boring. "If it bleeds it leads" is a truism.
The situation on the ground in Iraq is fluid, but far from over. We simply don't know who is winning right now.
For people like myself, that means we try harder to create teh conditions for victory. For liberals such as yourself, that means quit.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 13, 2006 04:30 PM (g5Nba)
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Well, Avenger, sorry to throw chili sauce into your sumptuous curry-fest, but many of us don't trust the MSM because of cases just like this: where the rudiments of journalism have been left behind.
Keep your bias, fine, but give us the facts!
Oh, and the Iraq war is a disaster on many fronts, not only in the inept way some news organizations cover it. You seem unable to take off your bipolar partisan glasses for one moment and at least consider that the AP is not coming clean on this story.
Why are you so willing to believe a story where the only verifiable facts speak to the opposite and the main source can not/will not be produced? And here you are, like a giddy prospector, talking to us of irony!
Posted by: deesine at December 13, 2006 04:45 PM (iLGvx)
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"It is just so deliciously ironic that ultra-conservatives like Confederate Yankee and Michelle Malkin are declaring themselves to be the holy arbiters of truth while the rest of the world - especially the Islamofascists and the MSM - are parties with an inherent bias so strong they can't be trusted."
I'm not sure I follow the point attempted here. So let me attempt to reassemble the argument. Then again...all the kings horses and all the kings men...but, alas, I'll try.
"It is just so deliciously ironic that ultra-conservatives like Confederate Yankee and Michelle Malkin are declaring themselves to be the holy arbiters of truth ..."
What exactly is an "ultra-conservative". I haven't seemed to have met a leftist who doesn't think that EVERYONE who fails to march in lockstep with them...isn't a "warmongering, homophobic, racist, slack-jawed, mouthbreathing, inbred Jed"...so, what...exactly....constitutes principled dissent from the leftist lemming playbook?
I can tell you right now...I fall on EVERY quiz on the subject as being a centrist...I believe I am in the MAJORITY on most of my opinions in this country (fiscally and homeland security not liberal, socially left of center)...yet, if I don't sing from the leftist hymnal, I'm lumped in with the "vast right wing" as a co-conspirator.
So, please....enlighten us...what makes CY or Michele Malkin ULTRA conservatives???
And by commenting on the DISMAL AND REPEATED failures of the leftist media to even remotely attempt to hide their lack of objectivity, to intentionally falsify reports, to forge documents, photoshop scenes, stage phony scenarios, create fake sources out of whole cloth....Michele and Bob are making themselves "holy arbiters of truth".
What a steaming pile of parrot scat. If a non-leftist blogger points out malfeasance of the leftist press...they are automatically out of bounds...because to do so is merely an attempt to elevate themselves to a level of deity reigning over the truth? This argument is absurd.
What SHOULD they do? According to leftists the only "holy arbiter" of leftist misdeeds, apparently, is the Holy See No Evil...and we await the puffs of white smoke to see whether that is Dan Rather or Howard Kurtz.
If the leftist media had an ounce of integrity, they would have policed these issues themselves instead of running interference for them.
And while you arrogant bastards keep feeding us lies, distortions, misrepresentations and misdirections... that we "need", because after all...we are too stupid to extract the "conclusions" you want us to reach, without creating "caricatures of the truth"...done for us, for our benefit,...us, the great unwashed who would otherwise be unable to connect your leftist dots...you bridle at the notion that some people actually would prefer the truth, so that we can make up our own minds about what we think on the great issues of the day. YOU may want a nanny state, with a nanny press and a nanny government...the MAJORITY OF US...DO NOT.
And frankly, those of us who still care about the truth, about honor, about an objective reporting of actual facts...ought to get down on our knees every day and thank the heavens that Michele, Bob, Charles, Gleen, VDH...are doing not only the work that our press OUGHT to be doing...but, also are UNDOING the lies...which is twice as difficult...especially with the Code of Silence in the leftist Ministry of Media.
The notion that leftists OWN our information and therefore can do what they want with it...while they predigest it and regurgitate it to their own little helpless, mindless little baby birds...is the largest, greatest and most grave danger to the future of our country. You DON'T own the information stream, and you are NOT casting pearls before swine, you arrogant bastards.
"I wonder if Confederate Yankee - or any of the rest of you commenters - has the courage to declare Iraq to be a waste or a failure or a disaster."
Which part? The part where people are no longer being put down woodchippers or the part where the rape rooms don't have his predatory sons defiling innocent girls?
The part where Al Qaeda is on the run and being disrupted or the part where those people were able to engage in a free democratic vote?
A waste? To whom? A failure? Based on what? Six months is a pretty short time frame to declare a democracy in its infancy a "failure". Some things are working, some are not yet there. Why are you leftists in such a rush to declare a failure...of a work in progress? Does success frighten you? Are you unwilling to work at it to give it a chance?
Disaster? Allowing Saddam to build a nuclear arsenal and to pass off weapons to terrorists to kill Americans and Israelis in the hundreds of thousands...THAT would be a disaster. I'm sorry, I simply don't miss Saddam as much as apparently the leftists do.
"Of course you don't. In your eyes Iraq is only a disaster insofar as the MSM and liberal bloggers conspire to hide the "good news" from the rest of the free world."
Well, thanks for the admission. The Ministry of Media and liberal bloggers are, politely speaking, essentially... oversaturated with excrement. We don't miss Saddam. Iraq is better off as a nation without him....long term...and for many, short term.
Al Qaeda is still on the run. Disrupting the terrorists is a good thing, not a bad thing. And if we are forced to confront the fact that Iran's leadership wants to deny the Holocaust, drive Israel into the sea, kill Americans and wage nuclear war...I would rather that we were staring at them from their front doorstep, than sitting in the Ivy Towers of the NYTimes and calling them "essential partners in our future".
Here's the sum of it....you can't lie, misrepresent, dissemble, dummy up photos and stage phony scenes, create fake sources and expect honest people to simply sit back and swallow your pablum for the leftist mind. Try another tactic, this one is exposing itself...and we can't help but giggle at your shortcomings.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 13, 2006 05:15 PM (V56h2)
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LA
The reason no one here is willing to concede Iraq is a "failure" and a "waste" is because that is simply not consistent with factual reality.
Maybe if you are George Soros, Helen Thomas, Keith Olbermann or Kofi Annan and have an agenda or narrative to spin, sure, you could call it a failure.
The rest of us here realize it is far, far, too early to deem the Iraq war a "disaster" or a "failure".
Saddam Hussein was removed from power. Tens of thousands of Iraqi and Al Qaeda terrorists, including the grandpapa of them all: Zarqawi (forget, did we?) have been killed.
Iraq has had 3 hugely successful elections that were relatively violence free.
The fact that there are still car bombings and assasinations is only a sign of "failure" in the minds of the octagenerians who watch Morely Safer and think he is a "news man". In the real world, these things are tragedies for the victims, but ultimately mere set backs for the military and propaganda tools for the enemy.
Which works very well in the arab world, and in the American left.
Posted by: TMF at December 13, 2006 05:50 PM (+BgNZ)
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I suppose that we were winning in Vietnam, too...
10 years, 58000 Americans and 2 million Vietnamese were just a prelude to the inevitable American victory that was foiled by the likes of Walter Cronkite, Jane Fonda and John Kerry.
If only we had unleashed the true fury of the American military machine in Vietnam the world might very well have been a very different place today!
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 13, 2006 07:37 PM (brWuL)
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I thought that Zarqawi's death was supposed to be the end of the insurgency.
Actually, wasn't the January 2005 election supposed to be the end of the insurgency?
Before that it was the writing of the constitution, I believe.
Hmmm - the destruction of Fallujah in November of 2004 was going to "break the back of the insurgency," wasn't it?
I know that Saddam's capture, trial and conviction were supposed to put an end to in-country violence.
Uday and Qusay were bad people. I can understand the declaration that their deaths would mark the end of the insurgency.
May 2003, bulging crotch and all, Bush declared Mission Accomplished.
I can see how the AP conspiracy to spin things negatively about Iraq has really undermined the American peoples' perception of the war. It's clear that the Bush Administration has been on top of things all along and has been effectively communicating with the public regarding the war.
I couldn't possibly imagine six people being soaked in kerosene and set on fire in Baghdad... In Paris, maybe - but not Baghdad.
Thank you, oh mighty warbloggers, for keeping your skeptical eyes on the situation in Iraq and for holding the Bush Administration accountable for the things that they say and do.
You've done such a remarkable job, a full 21% of Americans today approve of George Bush's handling of the war.
Keep up the good work!
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 13, 2006 08:26 PM (brWuL)
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Walter Cronkite...a now proven liar about the TET offensive...which he intentionally lied about to the American people as an American defeat...obviously, this doesn't bother people who really don't give a damn about the truth.
Jane Fonda, who called our boys "baby killers" and inspired people to spit on our own troops and throw feces at them when they returned from doing their duty for our country...obviously this doesn't bother people who have no honor.
John Kerry, who lied about his military involvements, lied about our troops and slandered them, met secretly with the enemy to plan our own defeat, and calls our troops stupid....obviously this doesn't bother people who have no integrity.
The Cambodians who died in the bloodbath after we left, obviously this doesn't bother people who have principles of convenience.
They supported and whitewashed Castro...a brutal dictator who suppressed every form of freedom. They supported Mao who suppressed every form of freedom, they supported every Marxist/Leninist thug...while crapping on their own country....while people were placed in gulags, "reeducation camps" and they whitewashed every atrocity.
But they still point a finger at America in Viet Nam. It's high time we hose off this leftist slime. We've been slimed for 40 years by this ignorant, duplicitous hippies.
Viet Nam was about Soviet expansionism, do these lying bastards still want to deny that was a fact? Romanticizing Stalinism is like waxing poetic about acid reflux. No matter how hard you try...it's just the wrong object about the wrong subject.
Push Socialism/Communism all you want. Glorify it. Romanticize it. Spray it with Glade and put a frilly bow on it.
Here's the end story. Socialism/Communism suck. The people who have been pushing it for 40 years and sucking up to every enemy of state during that time...have been whitewashing their atrocities...and lying about us. They call themselves Americans. They are in name only. In the black community, they would be called Uncle Toms. People who shuck and jive and bow and scrape and attempt to curry favor with those who hate you...because you want to be liked by them. ("Like me, Fidel...I think you are wonderful, I'm not like these Ugly Gringos").
Overwhelmingly white, middle class, ...these White Uncle Toms are now aging and fighting the ravages of becoming old and unhip. So they worry about eliminating wrinkles and become like Arianna Huffinpuff, the Botox Bohemians...faces stretched like bandits with nylon face stockings, it's all about image, not substance.
The Collagen Counterculture is at once vain and preoccupied with status, wanting desperately to cling onto a relevance that was based on a fraud to begin with. More shallow (and twice as pretentious) than a tumbler of Chambord...these Botox Bohemians continue to clang their one note song against the walls of our home and hearth.
"America sucks", "Down with America"..."look at how bad she is, was, will be". Their movies are predictable and uninspired, their homilies are trite and vacuous, they have nothing left...and remain a pathetic, doddering, drooling broad farce of what they once pretended to be.
I can only hope that what replaces them is newer, fresher, more mature, less self-absorbed and less likely to engage in principles of conveniences and open sedition against the only country who tolerates their vileness because to silence it would somehow be worse.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 13, 2006 08:48 PM (V56h2)
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I suppose that we were winning in Vietnam, too...
Hey, Liberal Avenger, tell us what you know about the Tet Offensive.
Militarily, was it a win or a loss for the North Vietnamese?
How was it reported by the press?
Now, surely you'd want steps taken to see that such a mischaracterization of America's military situation never happens again, right?
I said, "right?" !
Posted by: Lewis at December 13, 2006 08:50 PM (CvrIy)
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Well we lost 500,000 men in WWII...only 55,000 in Vietnam and a mere 2900 in Iraq-
I guess that makes WWII the biggest "disaster" and "Failure" of them all by the measure of LA and his silly, ahistorical pro-terrorist pals over at the Nation, DU and ANSWER
Posted by: TMF at December 13, 2006 08:59 PM (cGtRE)
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I couldn't possibly imagine six people being soaked in kerosene and set on fire in Baghdad... In Paris, maybe - but not Baghdad.
Let me see if I understand your reasoning here:
Who cares if the incident in question is fabricated? -- the AP is still accurately reporting the "big picture" - that Iraq is a complete mess and represents a total failure on the part of the Bush administration.
Looks like "fake but accurate" news is still the gold standard for liberals!
Posted by: Lewis at December 13, 2006 09:04 PM (CvrIy)
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Conservatives: Denying reality since 1965
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 14, 2006 12:36 AM (brWuL)
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Trolls: Dirtying the net since 1972
Posted by: deesine at December 14, 2006 12:49 AM (iLGvx)
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December 11, 2006
Perception or Deception?
According to AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll, Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein is a well-known source that they have had a relationship with for two years.
According to Curt at Flopping Aces, Hussein was cited in Associated Press reports by name 61 times between April 24th and November 26th of this year. No other news organization other than the Associated Press seems to have evern been in contact with Jamil Hussein. It is not known if Hussein may have been cited as an anonymous source, if at all, in addition to the 61 times he was cited as an official source by AP.
During the first months (April and May) he was used as a source, Hussein was cited 24 times in stories by no fewer than 7 different AP reporters (Thomas Wagner, Lee Keath, Robert H. Reid, Sinan Salaheddin, Qassim Abdul-Zahra, Tarek El-Tablawy, and Patrick Quinn).
In June and July, Hussein was cited as a source 19 times by at least 9 AP reporters (Sinan Salaheddin, Ryan Lenz, Steven R. Hurst, Bassem Mroue, Qais al-Bashir, Sameer N. Yacoub, Qassim Abdul-Zahra, Bushra Juhi, and Kim Gamel), eight of which had not written using Hussein in the months before (only Sinan Salaheddin carried over from the previous months).
In August and September Hussein was uncharacteristically quiet, being used as a source just nine times in total, and five of those stories coming on a single day (September 20). Sinan Salaheddin, Robert H. Reid, Bushra Juhi, and Qais al-Bashir used Hussein again, Rawya Rageh used him for the first time, and David Rising used him as a source for four stories on the first and only day he cited Hussein.
In October Hussein was only cited twice, in a Sinan Salaheddin story and in another by Sameer N. Yacoub.
Police Captain Jamil Hussein was then silent for 28 days until November 24, when he was cited five times describing the now familiar series of claims that Shia militamen immolated six Sunni men. Those claims have been disputed by the Iraqi Police, Interior Ministry, Iraqi Army, and even the responding unit of the Baghdad Fire Department which put out the one minor mosque fire that actually existed of the four that the Associated Press claimed were attacked.
According to the document compiled by Flopping Aces and cited above, AP provided no bylines for four of these reports, but the fifth was sourced to Qais al-Bashir. Hussein was cited twice more, on November 25 (including once in a story by Steven R. Hurst).
Hussein was cited for a final time on November 26 by the man who first used his name on April 24, Thomas Wagner.
In just eight months, Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein was cited as a source in stories by 17 named AP reporters, and also appeared in several stories where no byline was given. To the best we can determine, he has never been cited by another news organization, at any time.
Since his authenticity was thrown in doubt, the fabled Iraqi Police Captain has completely disappeared from AP reporting, except for the AP's denials that he is the fraud that the Iraqi interior ministry says he is. The captain, if he is real, would have likely come forward by now to clear his name. He has not.
At the current level of controversy, it might be prudent for these 17 Associated Press reporters, AP international editor John Daniszewski, and AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll to each go on the record and establish the details, dates and locations of their relationship with alleged Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein that they have so vigorously defended.
Daniszewski and Carroll should also explain why, when there is so much suspicion that the Associated Press has been duped by a series of false witnesses tied to a flawed stringer-based news gathering methodology, that the AP promoted two of the reporters involved in this controversy.
Kim Gamel, who issued stories using Hussein as a source on June 1, June 5 and twice on June 6, has now been promoted to the newly-created position of Baghdad News Editor.
Patrick Quinn, who wrote a story using Hussein as a source on May 30, has been promoted to the newly-created position of Assistant Chief of Middle East News.
In most any line of work, discovering that two actors were promoted after it was revealed they were in some way involved in a scandal, would create a scandal of its own. Many people might assume that their superiors might be trying to buy their silence. That suspicion would only grow if those people were promoted to positions that didn't previously exist.
At the very best, the Associated Press is guilty of creating the perception that their reporters' silence in the Jamil Hussein affair may have been bought. While there is no evidence that such a thing did occur, I shudder to think what it may mean to the future of the Associated Press if it is more than just a perception.
Update: fixed a glitch above, where I meant "stringer-based" reporting, not "string-based," which is reputedly how AP handles telecommunications. Sorry for the confusion.
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Don't know if anyone ever goes over to Atlas Shrugs to see what she has on each day, (she is drop dead gorgeous, if you haven't seen her in the superman outfit), but she has a post detailing a speech written by Jeanne Kirkpatrick, concerning the uncontrolled power (and abuse) of the media. It's a must read, in my opinion.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 11, 2006 03:42 PM (V56h2)
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FYI, google Jamil Hussein and al Jazeera and you will find two article from March with Jamil. He appears to have been picked up by al Jazeera then passed on to AP. Was this fellow not good enough for AJ's reporting standards so AP picked him up? Hah!
Posted by: Ray Robison at December 11, 2006 05:59 PM (GqKnY)
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For what it's worth, notice that the name "Kim Gamel" and "Jamil Hussein" are similar. Gamel is another pronunciation for Jamil (also called Jamal, or Gamal). If it's a phony name, the last name "Hussein" might have been taken from Saddam Hussein. This is speculation, but I can imagine these two character, Patrick Quin and Kim Gamel, getting together at the bar one evening and making up Police Captain Jamil Hussein. H.L. Mencken was a great journalist, but he was so convinced about the shoddy quality of journalism at his time that he once planted a fake story about the invention of the bathtub, just to prove his point. He thought it was bound to be spotted, but nobody in the news business figured it out. Nothing has changed.
Posted by: Barry at December 11, 2006 07:06 PM (DPofG)
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They will never admit that they were duped. And since it isn't being pressed by LSM, they know it will die a quick death. Unfortunate that most people are so shallow that they take everything they hear from MSM as truth.
Posted by: Specter at December 12, 2006 07:44 AM (ybfXM)
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The ISG report cites a discrepancy between violence levels as reported by the US military and as reported by other sources as evidence that the the official US figures are too low (which is certainly possible, of course.)
What I want to know is: Other than the 6 burned alive that we are pretty sure Jamil put over on a willingly duped AP, how many more of those reports that the military didn't confirm were ALSO "fake but accurate," and how much influence that had on the ISG's conclusions. Can anyone say "disinformation?"
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Just the Facts, Ma'am
Kathleen Carroll, the Executive Editor and Senior Vice President of the Associated Press, just can't seem to do the required legwork necessary to resolve the questions surrounding six immolations and four mosque burnings alleged in news reports by anonymous reporters working for her organization. She does, however, try her best to deflect criticism in her
latest response to the emerging scandal this afternoon.
She begins:
In recent days, a handful of people have stridently criticized The Associated Press' coverage of a terrible attack on Iraqi citizens last month in Baghdad. Some of those critics question whether the incident happened at all and declare that they don't believe our reporting.
Indeed, a small number of them have whipped themselves into an indignant lather over the AP's reporting.
What concerns Carroll is that her "handful" includes Jules Crittenden of the Boston Herald, Mark Tapscott of the Washington Examiner, Tom Zeller of the New York Times, and Robert Batemen in the New York Post, and this handful is steadily getting larger by the day thanks to a diligent army of citizen-journalists.
Their assertions that the AP has been duped or worse are unfounded and just plain wrong.
No organization has done more to try to shed light on what happened Nov. 24 in the Hurriyah neighborhood of Baghdad than The Associated Press.
Well, thanks for clearing that up. I can sleep comfortably now that you've confirmed what is in your self-interest to reinforce.
We have sent journalists to the neighborhood three different times to talk with people there about what happened. And those residents have repeatedly told us, in some detail, that Shiite militiamen dragged six Sunni worshippers from a mosque, drenched them with kerosene and burned them alive.
And yet in all of those trips to this intimate Sunni enclave, there are a few things the largest news organization in the world hasn't been able to discover... for instance, how the militiamen "burned and blew up" four mosques in the initial report, only to see that number dwindle to one mosque partially burned, without a retraction being issued. For that matter, which mosque were these six men dragged out of? Basic reporting, Editor Carroll. Eighth-grade school-paper who-what-when-where-why.
While we're on the subject of basic journalism, it would seem simple to find names for the six victims in such a tight-knit community. So why, after AP journalists went to this neighborhood three different times to investigate a story under a cloud of suspicion, has the Associated Press been unwilling or unable to provide that basic information?
No one else has said they have actually gone to the neighborhood. Particularly not the individuals who have criticized our journalism with such barbed certitude.
This isn't exactly the truth, Editor Carroll, and if you read your own reporting, you are well aware of that fact. An Iraqi fire company was called into the neighborhood to extinguish the one (not four) minor mosque fire. There does not seem to be any reports from the fire company concerning something as noticeable as six humans combusting in the street.
In addition, we know from your own reporting that legitimate Iraqi police and interior ministry officers dispatched to Hurriyah were unable to verify any of the claims made by AP reporters. They were able to interview the one named source, Imad al-Hasimi, at which time al-Hasimi told a different story than the one reported by the Associated Press. From what little you've given us, it seems he has retracted his story entirely.
I'm sorry that those of us thousands of miles away from the situation are having to criticize AP reporting with such "barbed certitude," but when your senior reporters five miles away don't seek answers to obvious and pressing questions, those of us further away must.
The AP has been transparent and fair since the first day of our reporting on this issue.
We have not ignored the questions about our work raised by the U.S. military and later, by the Iraqi Interior Ministry. Indeed, we published those questions while also sending AP journalists back out to the scene to dig further into what happened and why others might be questioning the initial accounts.
The AP mission was to get at the facts, wherever those facts took us.
Transparent? The AP will not tell us who their reporters are (citing safety concerns, of course). We have no names for alleged witnesses for precisely the same reason. We don't know the name of the mosque from which these men were abducted. We don't seem to have the names of the dead, and contrary to initial AP reports, we don't seem to have any named employees of the Kazamiyah Hospital who will claim to have seen these bodies. Of the two named sources in the initial story, one now disavows the story originally attributed to him, and the other, primary witness seems all but certain of being a long-run, deeply embedded fraud.
And what about the things that Carroll would rather not address?
Such an example is the fact that the Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars, which would rarely miss a chance to cite an example of Shia brutality, has been curiously silent about these alleged immolations. Al Jazeera, the preeminent Arab news outlet, also did not report on this atrocity, despite how easily they could sell this story to their primary media market. For that matter, neither Reuters, nor UPI, nor any other news organization has been able to confirm the Associated Press story. AP, it seems, has an exclusive that no one else can or will substantiate, even two weeks later. If AP has the facts, they are very stingy sharing them.
What we found were more witnesses who described the attack in particular detail as well as describing the fear that runs through the neighborhood. We ran a lengthy story on those additional findings, as well as the questions, on Nov. 28.
Some of AP's critics question the existence of police Capt. Jamil Hussein, who was one (but not the only) source to tell us about the burning.
These critics cite a U.S. military officer and an Iraqi official who first said Hussein is not an authorized spokesman and later said he is not on their list of Interior Ministry employees. It's worth noting that such lists are relatively recent creations of the fledgling Iraqi government.
By contrast, Hussein is well known to AP. We first met him, in uniform, in a police station, some two years ago. We have talked with him a number of times since then and he has been a reliable source of accurate information on a variety of events in Baghdad.
No one – not a single person – raised questions about Hussein’s accuracy or his very existence in all that time. Those questions were raised only after he was quoted by name describing a terrible attack in a neighborhood that U.S. and Iraqi forces have struggled to make safe.
And now, we get to what concerns Editor Carroll most of all.
Jamil Hussein isn't just a one-off source, but an on-going, continual source for the Associated Press over the past two years, being used as a named source no fewer than 61 times in the past year. If Captain Hussein is a legitimate Iraqi police officer as Carroll insists, then inviting him to meet with his own superiors and representatives of U.S Central Command in front of Associated Press cameras would not only be uneventful for Captain Hussein, who could clear charges that he is an insurgent operative, but it would vindicate the Associated Press completely. The Associated Press can end this controversy by merely producing Captain Jamil Hussein.
And yet, we know that if the Associated Press could produce Captain Hussein to vindicate it's reporters, it would have done so by now. The fact that the Executive Editor of the Associated Press has been reduced to spending the bulk of her response attacking the messengers tells you just how dire the situation of the Associated Press in Iraq truly is.
Jamil Hussein is one false source that immediately calls into question all 61 AP stories in which he was a source. Jamil Hussein is just one of at least 14 sources that the Associated Press has claimed as Iraqi policemen, that have provided "proof" in perhaps dozens to hundreds of stories, that the Iraqi police simply have no record of.
The Associated Press is standing behind their story, perhaps because at this point, acknowledging how deeply they've been compromised is far too difficult to contemplate.
We don't need anymore bluster, accusations, or denials, Kathleen Carroll.
Simple facts will suffice.
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I'm writing my congressman asking for an investigation into this. These bastards need to be put under oath.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 09, 2006 01:06 AM (RWCop)
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I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, that the MSM would resort to making up stuff to bring down George W.
BTW, when are the Rather Awards going to be given out this year ? Has AP been nominated for a Rathie yet ?
Posted by: Actual at December 09, 2006 10:38 AM (niNgY)
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An Iraqi fire company was called into the neighborhood to extinguish the one (not four) minor mosque fire. There does not seem to be any reports from the fire company concerning something as noticeable as six humans combusting in the street.
Also a patrol from the
6th Iraqi Army Division, who are the folks who called in the Iraqi fire company. They also failed to notice multiple burning bodies or multiple burning mosques or multiple burning homes, all of which were alleged by the AP.
Posted by: Tully at December 09, 2006 01:23 PM (kEQ90)
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No one – not a single person – raised questions about Hussein’s accuracy or his very existence in all that time.
Translation: "We got away with it for quite a while, so that proves he's legit."
Heh.
Posted by: Tully at December 09, 2006 01:25 PM (kEQ90)
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Lefties love the
proof by repeated assertion argument.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 09, 2006 02:06 PM (RWCop)
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I can see why the AP would think they'd need to hype up the sectarian violence angle, because there just isn't that much of it going on already. If it weren't for the AP and other Western news outlets, the outside world would see that Iraq is a peaceful, harmonious society well on its way to being a Jeffersonian democracy. I mean, it's not like there are 50 or 60 tortured, bullet-riddled bodies showing up every day in Baghdad, car bombs killing 40 people at a clip or anything. They needed to invent these 6 murders to just kick it up a notch and really stick it to Bush but good.
Posted by: Arbotreeist at December 09, 2006 04:04 PM (N8M1W)
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Now THAT'S funny! It's just retro enough to be a good vaudeville routine.
1st Leftist: The media isn't lying about situation in Iraq.
2nd leftist: That's right!...er, but how do we know?
1st: "Because the situation is so bad, they don't NEED to lie"
2nd: "Exactly! And we know that because..."
1st: "The media tells us so!"
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 09, 2006 05:48 PM (5RM9g)
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I think it's high time we begin to color code the levels of the "Ministry of Media" alert. That way, those of us who are not into compliantly swallowing this force-fed mental kitty litter, have a way to easily and conveniently recognize the level crap that is contained in any single "story" that the World Populists, Timeshare Americans, COW's and anarchists put out through the various branches of the Ministry of Media.
I'm all for creating very inventive colors and assigning them based on wit, style, best capturing of the true nature of the BS contained in the story, etc. Mapes Magenta or Rather Red Alert, would be one way to go. Maher Mauve. NYTimes Teal, WaPost Purple. (Hollywood Hues are welcome from the movie/fantasy branch of the Ministry of Media as well). Reuters Rose. BBSepia.
I'm open for suggestions.
I suppose we should have a ranking based upon some prism and color scale. Clear, White, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue, Violet, Brown, Black...or something. The greater the fib factor, the further up the alert scale on the color coding.
This is a work in progress, so it may take some time...but, if done properly, it could make life with leftist a little less irritating.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 09, 2006 06:09 PM (5RM9g)
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I think the top alert color should be Liberal Dark Brown. The color of Cow manure. The more you look into it, the worse it smells. Just like typical Liberal biased media stories.
Posted by: JM at December 09, 2006 06:34 PM (k1RPK)
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I love the liberals view of the Military. We support the troops but they're all liars. Think maybe they all failed to study and get an education so the all ended up in Iraq? I think after the military wins this war the should come home and be allowed to shoot fifty dimmi's (each)of their choice. Kind of a reward for a job well done even with the dimmi traitors selling them out on a daily or hourly basis.
Posted by: Scrapiron at December 09, 2006 08:06 PM (YadGF)
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For some of them, shooting is too good. I want to make a couple of distinctions, though. I think leftists and their Ministry of Media have been wildly successful at framing the issues. Our collective society uses their words, for almost all things related to those issues most in debate today.
Here are some things that I don't think adequately or properly describe the situation:
"Mainstream Media": I don't like to use this term, because I don't believe that the "old media" represents mainstream America or Americans. I think it represents a much narrower, smaller, more elitist and further left viewpoint than is warranted by any stretch of the imagination, when it comes to being "representative" of mainstream American thought.
I believe that the "old media" has an agenda and no longer even makes a passing effort at being objective. They push leftist ideas, support leftist goals and try to sway public opinion much further left, in sometimes subtle and increasingly more overt ways.
To call them the MSM, simply reinforces a false notion that they represent the "average" or "typical" American and I believe this is patently false. In fact, I believe they represent less than 15% of the population in terms of positions on important issues of the day. Moreover, they have become increasingly aggressive in their tactics by deriding, denigrating and dividing those who disagree with them. They have reached a point where, I believe, they had found themselves to be less and less effective (due in no small part to bloggers such as CY, Instapundit, LGF, Michelle Malkin and others, talk radio and Fox News)...and they "upped the ante". They now are willing to use "any means necessary" to get their leftist goals achieved. False documents, phony sources, hiding the truth, distortions, fake pictures, carrying the propaganda water for the enemy, giving away our military tactics and positions, ...the whole bag of horrors.
There is nothing, in my opinion, that is "mainstream" about their Code of Silence when one of their members is caught beshitting our information stream with leftist lies, distortions, propaganda, and pollute the "news" with things that simply aren't true in order to sway public opinion leftward.
They have shown not only a complete unwillingness to police themselves, but quite the contrary, a brazen refusal to even confront the issues honestly. Instead, they form a wall of silence and shield the perpetrators in a conspiracy after the fact, virtually every time.
Bernie Goldberg in his two books suggested (as have others) that there is no conspiracy. That either profit is the motive or "echo chamber ignorance" is the reason. I disagree on both counts. Profit is no motive when people are abandoning you in droves and you get MORE aggressively leftist. Echo chamber ignorance, where you believe you are "mainstream" because everyone around you is a mindless yes man has SOME merit, but it does not explain or even consider why you need to lie, distort, create fake photos, fake documents, fake sources and then when you are caught, you deny and everyone of your cronies shields you from scrutiny. Nope...that is not an echo chamber, that's a conspiracy before the fact. You are not simply deluded into believing the fraud, you are an active participant in creating the fraud.
The old media has, by any objective standard...been weighed and measured...and found wanting. They have become the Ministry of Media ...a propaganda tool for leftist dogma. And they are certainly anything but mainstream. We serve their purposes by using their name to describe themselves. And I, for one, simply refuse to play their rigged game by their rules.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 10, 2006 11:03 AM (5RM9g)
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The second "framed issue" that I completely disagree with, is calling leftists: "liberal" or "progressive".
I believe that there ARE people in this country who are either "liberal" or "progressive", but bundling all leftists into those carefully framed terms fails to capture some very important and distinct differences.
If you look at where people stand on the "political/social issue spectrum" you will find distinct differences between a Joe Lieberman and a Michael Moore. To describe them with one word is to treat Moore with greater dignity than he deserves and to tarnish Lieberman with a stain he doesn't deserve.
I think the term "progressive" is merely a continuation on the phony theme that if you are left of center then you are "open-minded, soft-hearted, forward thinking, not old fashioned, and a thinking man's person". I can't think of a term that LESS describes the leftists at Kos Kidz and most of the rest of the blogosphere nutroots and barking moonbats.
If anything, they have proven themselves to be closed-minded, dogmatic, stuck in the 60's, mindless lemmings and parrots all marching in lockstep and reciting with Gregorian Chant droning voices in unison from the same playbook and from the same out of tune World Populist hymnal. Is there anyone here who can't immediately predict what position those people will take when a new issue of importance arises on the political/social spectrum? There is nothing unique, independent, thoughtful, or insightful about anything they say these days.
It's warmed over, 40 year old anti-establishment Socialism/populism from the 60's. It steadfastly refuses to take into account today's new issues and new potential solutions to them. We have enemies today that are not nation based, who have a religious zeal to convert and kill us as infidels...and their response is to build a campfire, make Smores and sing Peter, Paul and Mary songs with them. This is to being a "progressive" what Rosie O'Donnell is to being a runway model.
Yet, when we mindlessly accept and repeat the "framed phrases" they use to describe themselves we empower them in creating a "truth" out of a lie, by repeating it often enough.
Michael Moore isn't a liberal. He's an anarchist. He isn't soft-hearted, forward thinking, or even anti-war. He romanticizes the enemy and calls them minutemen. He does nothing but crap on America and Americans calling them stupid and ignorant.
George Soros and the MoveOn crowd are Socialist/World Populists. The kneejerk response from the leftists, is to deny their leftism when you shine a light on it. They call it "red baiting" or "McCarthyite tactics". I find this fascinating. Why deny you are a Socialist (or a Trotskyite or Leninist or Maoist etc), if that's what you believe? I'm not afraid of Socialism, I just think its repeated history of utter failure makes it rather unappetizing as a form of governance.
The Ministry of Media, the propaganda arm of the Socialist/World Populist movement in this country (including their entertainment branch in Hollywood along with the "news" branches in print and on the airwaves) have pretty much thrown off the shroud and thrown down the gauntlet. Why not let's call it exactly what it is and have a showdown. Call the question. The Socialist/World Populist crowd want to disenbowel our present form of governance and replace it with a Socialist/World Populist nanny state.
This isn't "liberalism"...at least not that of John F. Kennedy (although it IS of his neer do well,drunken sod, manslaughtering brother), or FDR, or Joe Lieberman.
This is the self-absorbed, "me generation", hippies of the 60's forming their own government and overthrowing this one. Not by military coup d etat, but by having infiltrated and placed a stranglehold on our information stream. College campuses, you can't get a job as a professor if you aren't a member of the Socialist/World Populist club. You can't be a news anchor at NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, BBC, AP, Reuters... you can't be an editor of the NYTimes, Newsweek, LATimes, you can't be a top Hollywood actor or director...EVERYWHERE the Ministry of Media exists, in all their branches...the information stream bleats out the same message.
We were becoming the "boiled frogs". They didn't throw us in a pot of boiling water, they simply put us in nice, comfortable water and having been increasing the temperature one degree at a time, so we wouldn't notice them turning up the heat.
But then, something they didn't count on happened. The blogosphere, talk radio and Fox News put a turd in their punchbowl. This made them more desperate. You can see this desperation in the fury with which they react to Fox News, now vehemently they deny the solid and often spectacular "news" work of the blogosphere. And Air America as a response to talk radio....Al Franken? Nuff said.
They realized that if they were going to make their move, it had to be now. Before the response to their bastardizing the information stream REALLY became weakened. So, they upped the ante. They now brazenly lie. They doctor and dummy up documents. They photoshop photos. Stage "news" stories. Create phony "sources". The table stakes are now as high as they will ever be. Truth be damned, they are now into "by any means necessary" mode.
And every time you use one of THEIR terms to describe them, or one of their "issues"...you empower them.
They aren't liberal and they aren't progressive. They are leftists and they are in full battle gear for the future of your country. They want to own hearts and minds. If you use their words to describe them and key issues, you take a lie and by repeating it...you make it a new truth.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 10, 2006 11:50 AM (5RM9g)
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When I was a young child in the late 50's/early 60's they were just known as commies ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 10, 2006 01:24 PM (RWCop)
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The AP mission was to get at the facts, wherever those facts took us.
Somewhe-r-r-r-re, over the rainbow...
Posted by: Cover Me, Porkins at December 10, 2006 02:17 PM (7HxuT)
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Actually, the Association of Muslim Scholars claimed 18 immolations at first and named the mosque. See, for instance, http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/149069,CST-NWS-iraq25.article .
Its leader, Al-Dhari, is in hiding in Jordan from charges of inciting violence in Iraq and happened to be in Egypt at a conference when the story broke. The organization seems to work pretty closely with insurgents and surely spreads the insurgent propaganda, too. The prestige press may rely on them as "influential," but I think they have even less credibility than, unfortunately, the AP when it comes to this disgraceful lie.
Posted by: CatLady at December 10, 2006 02:23 PM (HvOa6)
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Why won't the AP just hire that stylish photoshop artist whose "smokey Beirut" photos so rapturously illustrated the AP's previous fake-but-accurate story? Surely it can't be all that difficult to find someone to drop a ball of flame over a stock photo of a sunni mosque. If Editor Carroll's cover-up chops are rusty perhaps she had better relinquish her MSM card to a more Ratheresque figure within the vast AP bureaucracy.
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Ah, and I see Abotreeist has given us the "fake but accurate" defense of the story.
Posted by: TallDave at December 10, 2006 03:36 PM (odS+4)
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AP's propaganda machine has been exposed... and it seems probable that they are now forced to scrub reports that could further impugn their shattered credibility: We should see a palpable Jamil Hussein effect as the AP concentrates on reporting only that violence and "chaos" that it can document.
Already, the routine dispatch in recent days seems to have dropped the obligatory call to the Baghdad morgue:
Google "AP: Iraq morgue Baghdad"
Posted by: happyfeet at December 10, 2006 03:53 PM (k+SV1)
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Jamal Hussein is more and more suonding like Captain Tuttle on that old episode of M*A*S*H.
The interesting thing is, if he really does exist and is as trusted and reliable a source as Carroll and others at the AP claim, then we shouldn't have to wait long to see more stories use him as sourcing, at which time, I presume, the AP staffer can snap a quick photo with a small digital camera to prove to all the doubters that he's for real.
On the other hand, if he's a fake, like Hawkeye and Trapper's Tuttle was, then it wouldn't be surprising to find out he's met the same sort of end -- blown up by a bomb or shot and killed by an insurgant before he had a chance to tell his story to the world. Dead men tell no tales, even if they're imaginary dead men.
Posted by: John at December 10, 2006 04:27 PM (jzZOz)
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Geeez, of course aliens have beamed up three of the mosques for repair, they being helpful little green men. And Jamil Hussien is realy Jamilia Hussiana leader of the Orion 5th fleet. Have I cleared up things for you?
Oh yeah, AP is really Alien Press.
/sarc
By the way this is just as truthful as the current crap from the AP.
Posted by: David at December 10, 2006 04:32 PM (3Iz4D)
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To call the AP a laughingstock at this point is to overestimate their credibility.
p.s,
manual trackback
Posted by: Doug Ross at December 10, 2006 04:49 PM (z1M8l)
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Gee, the guy with the Bush malapropism for a screen name has an opinion on Iraq.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at December 10, 2006 07:38 PM (3ZNma)
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Wouldn't companies that purchace AP products be able to sue for fraud, or something?
Not that I am suggesting a class action suit against AP mind you, not at all, not at all.
Honest.
Posted by: Paul at December 10, 2006 11:14 PM (I9l3I)
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Paul
That reminds me of a story about the devil failing to make good on a contract with heaven.
St. Peter says to the devil, "If you don't honor your contract, I'm going to have to sue".
And the devil replies: "Yeah, right. Where are YOU going to find a lawyer?"
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The AP Goes Truthy. Will the Left Stay Silent?
Looking back from the future, we may one day determine that a macabre but
seemingly straightforward story of Iraqi sectarian violence was the beginning of the end of credibility for the world's largest news organization.
Six burned alive in Iraq
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD, IRAQ -Revenge-seeking militiamen seized six Sunnis as they left Friday prayers and burned them alive with kerosene in a savage new twist to the brutality shaking the Iraqi capital a day after suspected Sunni insurgents killed 215 people in Baghdad's main Shiite district.
Iraqi soldiers at a nearby army post failed to intervene in Friday's assault by suspected members of the Shiite Mahdi Army militia or subsequent attacks that killed at least 19 other Sunnis, including women and children, in the same neighborhood, the volatile Hurriyah district in northwest Baghdad, said police Capt. Jamil Hussein.
Most of the thousands of dead bodies that have been found dumped across Baghdad and other cities in central Iraq in recent months have been of victims who were tortured and then shot to death, according to police. The suspected militia killers often have used electric drills on their captives' bodies before killing them. The bodies are frequently decapitated.
But burning victims alive introduced a new method of brutality that was likely to be reciprocated by the other sect as the Shiites and Sunnis continue killing one another in unprecedented numbers. The gruesome attack, which came despite a curfew in Baghdad, capped a day in which at least 87 people were killed or found dead in sectarian violence across Iraq.
In Hurriyah, the rampaging militiamen also burned and blew up four mosques and torched several homes in the district, Hussein said.
Residents of the troubled district claim the Mahdi Army has begun kidnapping and holding Sunni hostages to use in ritual slaughter at the funerals of Shiite victims of Baghdad's raging sectarian war.
Such claims cannot be verified but speak to the deep fear that grips Baghdad, where retaliation has become a part of daily life.
President Jalal Talabani emerged from lengthy meetings with other Iraqi leaders late Friday and said the defense minister, Abdul-Qader al-Obaidi, indicated that the Hurriyah neighborhood had been quiet throughout the day.
But Imad al-Hasimi, a Sunni elder in Hurriyah, confirmed Hussein's account of the immolations. He told Al-Arabiya television he saw people who were drenched in kerosene and then set afire, burning to death before his eyes.
Two workers at Kazamiyah Hospital also confirmed that bodies from the clashes and immolation had been taken to the morgue at their facility.
They refused to be identified by name, saying they feared retribution.
And the Association of Muslim Scholars, the most influential Sunni organization in Iraq, said even more victims were burned to death in attacks on the four mosques. It claimed a total of 18 people had died in an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque.
This story first began emerging late on November 24, with the version of the story printed above being published on November 25.
Thanks to some investigative started by Curt of Flopping Aces into the many apparent discrepancies in the story, we now know for a fact that significant portions of this story are categorically false, and that other details are highly suspect.
We know that four mosques were not burned nor blown up as the AP story alleges. We know that only one mosque was burned, and the extent of that damage was relatively minor. We know that Imad al-Hasimi, the Sunni leader cited in the original story, has recanted his earlier statements. We also know there is no record of burned bodies being taken the Kazamiyah Hospital, or anywhere else, for that matter. They've simply never been produced.
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Most of the left can't afford for the truth to come out. That would mean all of their anti-American rants about the war in Iraq were based on lies, and will be an admission that they are respondible for 75% of the deaths of American soldier through the aid and comfort they have provided to the enemy, and the propaganda they have spread, and basically they told wholesale lies to the American public solely to get elected.
Expecting a leftie to tell the truth is on par with expecting Saddam to tell the truth. When you're responsible for millions of deaths you try to hide it. I also think the lefties and Saddam have something else in common, they will 'talk the truth' when the real noose is tightened around their neck and someone who hates them has their hands on the trip lever. The only question I have for them is, blindfold or no blindfold?
Posted by: Scrapiron at December 08, 2006 02:27 PM (0Co69)
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such ethical people will fight to be given the facts, not spin.
SITUATIONAL. ETHICS.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2006 02:28 PM (RWCop)
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I am betting that the left's response will be ABF, Anyone But Fox. They will say that any lies from AP, Reuters or CNN will pale in comparison to the lies of Fox News. The irony is that Fox also picks up on the AP news feed.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 08, 2006 02:42 PM (oC8nQ)
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CY
It is hard to see the raging edges of the perfect storm, when you are in the eye of it.
Democrats are meeting with European Socialists, the Ministry of Media is giving away our positions and tactics to the enemy, they are overtly utilizing propaganda pieces where our soldiers are attacked by snipers and they are complicit in putting out fake photographs, utilizing fake sources and presenting America as the enemy.
It can no longer seriously be argued that the World Populists (COW's) are "American" in anything other than current residence.
The Timeshare Americans have investments in property (personal and realty), but are otherwise utterly dis-invested in being American.
These are people who are romatically linked to Socialism (some Euro-style, some more anarchy inspired)and whatever can bring down the free market meritocracy in existence today, is fine with them.
They are no longer satisfied with merely rooting silently for the enemies of state, they are actively participating in their successes and in the demolition of today's America.
It all falls into place rather well. The bedouin bedfellow is just fine with them, as long as they can use his means to exact their ends.
The Ministry of Media has lost all semblance of even masking or disguising their all out assault on America (and now, it seems...Israel)
They have become so open and notorious in tearing at the fabric of the free market meritocracy, that there are no longer any rules they believe apply to them. There are no consequences to openly and nakedly spitting on the rules...that they now believe that they are no rules. It's the anomy of the press.
And they have gone beyond "circling the wagons", they have adopted the Code of Silence of those who know they are guilty and simply will not accept being governed. The Ministry of Media is now its own government, its own nation state.
Freedom of the Press is now not just a rallying cry, its jingoistic sloganeering for the Media Nation. They hide behind its broad principles for increasingly narrower goals.
To anyone who believes in free market meritocracy, who is not interested in becoming a World Populist, COW or Socialist...the media is now...and has been for some time now...your enemy. They do not care if you live or die, simply they want you to convert.
The overlay between what they want and how they want to achieve it, is nearly perfect between them and Islamofascists. And they are more than happy to provide their bedouin bedfellows with all the cover they need, as long as the "story" comes out with the intended and desired result.
Weaken Current America, so that they can build Timeshare America to their liking. Lie? Fabricate? Cheat? Steal? No matter.
The morals are now that of a medieval bazaar, where lying to each other is expected and anticipated. It's part of their culture. Using each other, just fine. Principles of convenience...so what's your point?
The Ministry of Media is NOT "being used"...they are partners in this dance of the mating swans. You are in the eye of the storm...and they don't want you to see the raging edges.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 08, 2006 03:19 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 08, 2006 04:47 PM (n7SaI)
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Scrapiron:
Give me specific examples of how Progressives in the United States led to the death of even one soldier in Iraq, let alone 75% of all their deaths. "Aid and comfort to the enemy" a vague catchall attack phrase. Give me some names, dates and explanations of precisely how Lefties killed these guys.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at December 08, 2006 08:34 PM (5816Y)
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What it boils down to for me is that people don't want to know the true facts. They are willing to listen to anything that supports their feelings on any given matter.
And the fact that we have a media that is willing to sell America short in essence lie, cheat and steal to support their beliefs.
Posted by: CL at December 08, 2006 09:34 PM (18Tpx)
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Give me specific examples of how Progressives in the United States led to the death of even one soldier in Iraq
Several Gitmo detainees we were forced to release were subsequently recaptured doing terrorist shit in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You must feel a real sense of pride over this.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2006 10:19 PM (RWCop)
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PA:
"Doing terrorist shit" does not mean that anyone died. Contributing to the wrong charity is now classified as "doing terrorist shit." I'm guessing that there are lots of terrorism-related activities that don't actually lead to deaths.
I'm not saying that terrorists don't kill; I'm only asking for explication of how Lefties "are respondible [sic] for 75% of the deaths of American soldier [sic] through the aid and comfort they have provided to the enemy."
Posted by: Doc Washboard at December 08, 2006 11:40 PM (8NzJ4)
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does not mean that anyone died.
Indeed. But it say much more about where YOUR headspace is at.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 09, 2006 03:31 AM (RWCop)
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You've a fine question there, Yankee. It deserves some response. Briefly.
Yes, if the AP are using questionable sources then that's reprehensible and should be condemned. I have no problem with that. But let's get some perspective here. AP may well be the biggest but it is hardly the only culprit. Can we also heap scorn on any news service or outlet still using Amin Taheri's material or associating with Taheri after the infamous "Iranian yellow stars" fiasco? That includes the whole Benador stable of writers (Krauthammer, Ledeen and all).
Can we do likewise with Ken Timmerman after his egregious lie that Jane's had reported that Iran had already bought nukes? They had done no such thing. That means every blogger with one of those "democracy in Iran" buttons.
And can we also condemn
anyone who used questionable sources to claim that Iraq had WMD? Those sources said they were in a position to know - but it turned out they simply weren't. That hasn't stopped a whole host of media outlets continuing to use them. (Sada and the NY Post, anyone?) The same holds true for claims by the likes of the terrorist MeK, ex-Saddam henchmen, which get turned into "anonymous intelligence officials" leaks to the media about Iran's nuclear program.
The simple truth is that those of the Right, just like those of the Left you castigate, ignore exposures of lies and propoganda when it suits their "narrative" to do so. Arguably, it happens more often on the Right.
And oh, yes, I did post condemning Frisch at the time.
Regards, Cernig @ Newshog
Posted by: Cernig at December 09, 2006 11:01 AM (GGymn)
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I would not hold my breath on the liberal bloggers caring. I will try to find it again, so I can show you, but I DID see a comment on one of the blogs from a liberal who said and I quote " I don't care if we are being lied to if it gets us out of Iraq quicker" Unquote.
THAT is a point I have made often, liberals do not seem to care about being lied to if the lies match their views... it is a big difference between conservatives and liberals, conservatives do care and even if it matches our views, if it is a lie, we will call it one.. libs won't unless it disagrees with their views.
Posted by: spree at December 09, 2006 02:41 PM (oKE6z)
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"I'm only asking for an explanation of how lefties are responsible..."
By encouraging our enemies to believe that they can wear down our will to fight.
Posted by: pst314 at December 09, 2006 04:06 PM (lCxSZ)
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By encouraging our enemies to believe that they can wear down our will to fight.
You get em',
Green Lantern
Grow up.
Posted by: Ed Marshall at December 10, 2006 06:08 PM (bHWWG)
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Posted by: Jim Treacher at December 10, 2006 07:56 PM (3ZNma)
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CY:
Just a note of inquiry as to why I've been blocked from posting. If you feel like it, you can zap me an email instead of answering here.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at December 11, 2006 11:17 AM (/Wery)
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No you haven't, and you aren't the first that has asked me that question. There seems to be a spam attack on mu.nu servers, and whoever is sending that might come from the same band of IP addresses as what you share.
Hopefully it will abate soon, as I've got a ton of folks wondering why they were banned when they in fact weren't.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 11, 2006 11:46 AM (g5Nba)
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December 07, 2006
Steyn Rips AP Over Bias
On the first segment of O'Reilly. As always, Allah's
got the video.
A taste:
"...I believe that the majority of American newpapers, which are full of Associated Press content, on the central issue of our time, they're either dupes, at best, or semi-treasonous and colluding with the enemy and demoralizing America on the home front, including having agents of the enemy on their payroll. This is a disgraceful organization."
He goes on to mention Bilal Hussein (by deed, not name) the Pulitzer-winning AP photographer arrested with an al Qaeda commander, in a weapons cache, coated in explosive residue.
The Associated Press, of course, is quite angry that Hussein is being detained. They seem far less concerned that he may be tied to terrorism and the murder of Iraqi civilians, or that he could be feeding the AP propaganda instead of legitimate news.
Dupes, or semi-treasonous? You make the call.
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Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2006 02:20 AM (RWCop)
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The problem here is that the war is a disaster. I doubt very much you would find many in the ranks of the AP who are on the terrorists' side. They lie for sensationalism, not to help the terrorists win. You are shooting the messenger.
"Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) said he plans to hold a series of hearings on Iraq soon after becoming chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee next month when Democrats take control of Congress, and he said he is prepared to use subpoenas to get relevant documents from the Pentagon."
But the GOP's all on the up and up right? I'm sure you don't have anything to worry about WRT their integrity.
Posted by: Sammy at December 08, 2006 11:29 AM (zmzqK)
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Huh? So you will accept lying for sensationalism from the media as opposed to lying to support violent extremists, which is wrong? So I guess its just me who is getting hung up on the whole lying part. Whether by accident or design, their lies are having an adverse effect on the conflict.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 08, 2006 01:20 PM (oC8nQ)
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They lie for sensationalism
That's certainly a good reason to swallow lies...not!
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 08, 2006 02:23 PM (RWCop)
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I wonder if Steyn pointed out that among AP's best customers is Fox News itself. Look around foxnews.com sometime. Practically every story is sourced from AP wholly or in part. And this is the "conservative offering" in the media. God help us.
Posted by: SDN at December 09, 2006 07:35 AM (pPLpb)
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