May 24, 2007
At It Again
The Associated Press got their facts wrong on yet another firearms-related story today, something I know that readers will find absolutely
shocking.
In this story about Moscow, Idaho gunman Jason Hamilton, they made two glaring fact errors regarding the firearms used in Hamilton's deadly Sunday rampage.
They waste no time, blowing the facts in the lede.
A man who went on a deadly shooting rampage with two high-powered assault rifles was supposed to have surrendered his firearms after being convicted of domestic assault, authorities said Wednesday.
By definition, "assault rifles" are not high-powered.
Further, they are selective-fire, meaning they can be fired semi-automatically (one bullet at a time for each trigger pull) or automatically (multiple shots per trigger pull), with the mode of fire determined by a selector switch on the weapon. Neither of these firearms had that capability.
And what were the firearms used?
Hamilton used an AK-47 assault rifle and a Springfield M-1A rifle, both bought legally before he was convicted of assaulting his girlfriend in 2006, Duke said.
I'll state that the Associated Press flatly blew it here.
AK-47s are heavily regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (requiring an extensive, nearly prohibitive background check), and none have been imported or manufactured for civilian sale in the United States since 1986. Because demand among collectors is much higher than supply, a true AK-pattern rifle would probably cost between $16,500-$20,000, using this site as a guide.
A janitor, Hamilton would not likely be able to afford such a firearm.
He carried out his attacks with a rifle that looked like an AK-47, but it is no more an AK-47 than this 1987 Pontiac is a Ferrari.
New let's refer back to the lead for one second.
If you recall, it said two "assault rifles" were used. We've already established the fact that neither weapon fit the definition, and that one of those firearms could only be termed an assault rifle based upon how it looked. The other firearm doesn't even look like one.
This is the Springfield Armory M-1A.
Even by the most tortured media definition, the M-1A is no assault rifle or assault weapon. It is most properly categorized as a battle rifle, and it is typically valued in both military and civilian shooting circles for it's long-range precision. As such, it is very popular in target competitions.
Once again, the media blew the facts in a firearms-related story.
Surprising, I know.
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Clayton Cramer reports that the AK was a full-auto--most interesting, given the occupation of this guy.
See: http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2007_05_20_archive.html#7616480687916982506
Posted by: dad29 at May 24, 2007 12:17 PM (zF52N)
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They're not dumb, they want to scare people with the term. "Rifle" doesn't cut it. Firearm? Nope. Ah, "Assault Rifle!" Scary!
Since they're not interested in accuracy it's pointless to go on at length about it, you're only preaching to the choir.
I guess there might be a few followers of the rabid gun-ban crowd who might read and seriously consider a lengthy explanation/definition, but it's doubtful.
Don't get me wrong, it must be pointed out every time they are inaccurate (intentional or not). The use of the term "assault rifle" is one of my pet peeves so thanks for pointing out that they care more about embellishing a story than telling the truth.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 24, 2007 12:31 PM (HZBaW)
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I've noticed this on "true crime" shows as well: Full auto sound effects over survelliance video of a perp firing what is eventually identified as an SKS.
Posted by: Fox 2! at May 26, 2007 11:21 PM (7xwjI)
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Support Amnesty Through Ignorance
I was listening to local talk radio
North Carolina's Morning News with Jack Boston this morning when I got in the car, and they were talking to
Larry Wooten from the North Carolina Farm Bureau and another supporter of the
Kennedy-Kyl pro-amnesty immigration "reform" bill, and I have never heard so much blatant, purposeful deception on the public airwaves since our former President delved into the deeper meaning of the word "is."
These two men attempted to say that the illegal aliens working on North Carolina farms contributed enormous amounts of money into social welfare programs when they used fake Social Security numbers, since they could not collect on the money they put in. They purposefully skated around the fact that illegals take far more out of social welfare programs than they put into them in taxes, and the dirty little fact that many farmers pay at least part of their illegal workforce "under the table" so that they do not contribute any taxes at all.
They claimed that North Carolina's agriculture industry would collapse without the amnesty bill... a blatant lie. What a tough immigration law would do is raise wages for the 75% of natives and legal immigrants, by decreasing the number of illegal immigrants that are willing to take "under the table," tax-dodging rates of pay below minimum wage.
After listening to their purposeful deceptions for several minutes, I called into the radio show, and afer several busy signals, asked the screener if it was even worth trying to hang around long enough to ask these men a couple of questions. He said it depended on my my comment; they were slammed with calls, most of them on one side of the issue.
I told him I wanted to ask a simple "yes/no" question on whether or not either of the men had actually read the entire bill they were supporting.
The screener laughed a little and stated that the calls coming in were overwhelmingly for the amnesty bill, which surprised both of us, as the general population of North Carolina, like the general population of the rest of the country, is against the amnesty bill. He said he thought that the guests may have "loaded the deck" by having their constituents lined up to call in, a supposition supported by the fact that the overwhelming of the callers were in the agriculture industry. He moved me to the front of the call line.
And so I asked my question: "Have either of you read the entire bill you are asking us to support?"
I don't recall which one answered, but it didn't matter: the guy who did hemmed and hawed about how he read the North Carolina-related provisions. In other words, "no." The other guy didn't attempt answer the question at all.
They haven't read the amnesty bill, but they want you to support it.
That should tell you something.
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CY, thats why I read your blog everyday! Reality.
Posted by: jbiccum at May 24, 2007 08:58 AM (NiTuu)
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I just noticed, is it called Kennedy-Kyl now? McCain must of pulled his name off it when he saw the tidal-wave coming.
Posted by: jbiccum at May 24, 2007 09:01 AM (NiTuu)
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"The screener laughed a little and stated that the calls coming in were overwhelmingly for the amnesty bill..."
You should have asked a follow-up question of how many phone calls have they received of people supporting the bill WITHOUT a Hispanic accent?
John
Charlotte, NC
Posted by: JohnMc at May 24, 2007 09:17 AM (tFJ2V)
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I sometimes tune into WPTF while driving into the Park each morning and usually can only stomach Jack Boston for a minute or two. When he's not talking about himself or the "stars" he hangs out with, he showing his blissful ignorance on most every subject. God lord, it's like listening to PBS.
Posted by: Martin at May 24, 2007 11:44 AM (Bhe/R)
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Has anyone looked at the guest worker provisions in that bill? It's the old Bursaro program from the 40s all over again. Only this time half our work force isn't off fighting the second world war.
This is the end of living wages for anybody without a college degree.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 24, 2007 05:33 PM (mYHGQ)
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I heard the show and the question. I was like wow good question. Then it hit me. These talking heads know less of what is in the bill than I do. These people who are suppose to be experts know nothing. This goes for Burr and Dole also. I doubt if they have read the bill from back to front. When did our elected leaders start voting for things that they have no idea what is in it? We should require that they sign off on every bill that they have read and understand every bill voted on. Like we do with CEO and income statements. this would trim bills down form 1000pgs I think..
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May 23, 2007
The Most Ethical Congress Ever
Meet the new boss,
yadda, yadda, yadda:
A bitter legislative quarrel in the House, played out in the parliamentary vocabulary of reprimands and motions to table, raged on yesterday as the Democrats pushed back a Republican attempt to officially chastise Rep. John Murtha, the combative Pennsylvanian whom Speaker Nancy Pelosi unsuccessfully backed for majority leader after the Democrats won control of the House in November.
Murtha had threatened Mike Rogers of Michigan for attempting to kill one of Murtha's pork barrel projects for a failing government agency in his district in front of a group of Republican representatives. Even thought Murtha was caught dead to rights in front of multiple witnesses, Democrats voted along party lines to table to motion, effectively killing the reprimand.
Nancy Pelosi supported Murtha, a fact too hard to swallow even for reliably left wing sites such as Capitol Hill Blue, who described Murtha in its headline as a "bully" while attacking his "unethical" past.
For his part, Murtha sat in a darkened corner of the House floor with cronies, laughing as the reprimand was defeated along party lines.
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This is somehow surprising to you? Why would the current congress be any different than the last congress? Oh wait, I forgot, there wasn't a single scandal in the last congress, and now that democrats are doing what politicians do they take heat for it?
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:38 PM (88FOa)
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Doing what politicians do? nice.
"I hope you don't have any earmarks in the defense appropriations bill, because they are gone and you will not get any earmarks now and forever." -Murtha
roger that.
Posted by: brando at May 23, 2007 09:19 PM (rDQC9)
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Thats politics. I am pretty sure Tom "The Hammer" Delay was just as bad. You just don't like it because he is throwing his political weight around.
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 10:32 PM (88FOa)
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I am pretty sure Tom "The Hammer" Delay was just as bad.
Maybe, maybe not. Some supporting quotes would help your case greatly.
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Posted by JW NC at May 23, 2007 10:32 PM
That single statement isn't just throwing his weight around, it is abusing his position and authority. As a leader, everyone should have the same rights to put an earmark in for a vote.
On the earmark subject, I personally think all of them should be illegal.
A bill should stand on its own, if it can't make it, Earmarks (aka BRIBES) shouldn't be offered in for a vote.
Posted by: Retired Navy at May 24, 2007 05:17 AM (PJ4Iq)
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They All Look Alike to CNN
You would hope that after being in Iraq since the 2003 invasion, that a major news organization such as CNN might be able to tell the difference between U.S. soldiers and their Iraqi counterparts.
You would hope.
The uniform is clearly Iraqi (this is what our Army's uniform looks like), and the weapon is obviously a Soviet-designed variant of the RPD squad automatic weapon (SAW) carried by Iraqi security forces and insurgents alike, but never issued to regular U.S. military forces.
Refusing to identify the nationality of the soldier isn't "wrong," but it is certainly imprecise, and by saying that he "searches for missing comrades," most people would logically infer that he was a U.S. soldier, as it is indeed U.S. soldiers that are missing. He is our ally, but he is clearly not a member of the U.S. Army. CNN is sloppy, but at least they aren't running enemy propaganda as news today.
Meanwhile, AFP has no problem identifying the soldier as Iraqi, but I guess they're simply paying more attention.
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Of course, the Iraqis are at least in part wearing old US Army BDUs, and the US Army has not completely traded in BDUs for the new ACUs. Thus, the uniform is not such a giveaway as you imply. The weapon is a different story...
Posted by: Anon at May 23, 2007 12:58 PM (O8pjo)
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You're right that is a old U.S. pattern... it is the six-color "chocolate chip BDU pattern phased out after the First Gulf War in
1991.
The U.S. Army first went into combat with the three-color "coffee stain" DCU in Somalia in 1993, and that desert pattern DCU was standard issue to U.S. Army units for the 2003 invasion. They began to transition over to the ACU in 2005.
This uniform should be a clear giveaway to anyone familiar with American and Iraqi military units, as the BDU was being phased out of the American Army 14 years ago, and was not issued at all to combat units in this war, and
all in-theater Army combat units should have transitioned over the to the ACU by now.
CNN is a nearly a full evolution of uniforms behind.
I guess we should be relieved that they don't think we're still issuing
tri-corner hats.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 23, 2007 01:24 PM (9y6qg)
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I think this is, at worst, an imprecise editor writing an imprecise headline. I could make a case that our Iraqi colleagues are also our comrades, but really, this isn't such a big deal.
And for me it was the helmet.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 23, 2007 03:11 PM (kxecL)
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Mr. Film Noire sayeth "this isn't such a big deal"
No it IS a big deal our Boys DO NOT want to be confused with the terrorists!!!!
Posted by: Karl at May 23, 2007 03:19 PM (BKFQg)
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Welcome to the Confused News Network. Not exactly their first mistake, probably not their last. I added an excerpt and link to my 2007.05.23 Iraq/Iran Roundup.
Posted by: Bill Faith at May 23, 2007 07:05 PM (n7SaI)
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The temperate and hot weather battle dress uniforms have not been phased out. Chapter 3 of AR 670-1 (3 February 2005 is the current revision) prescribes its use. I imagine that most of the people wearing it in the middle east are NG or reservists--or Iraqi troops--but it has not gone away.
It certainly didn't go away in 1993--we were issued replacement temparate BDUs when I redeployed from Bosnia in 1996, and it was still being issued in when I retired in 2002.
The weapon may give it away, but I understand that some of our troops have been authorized to use Soviet variant weapons, especially when operating with foriegn troops who use them. This helps logistically, since they can use the same ammunition source.
Besides, this screen shot only says the soldier is looking for "comrades." We are operating alongside Iraqi troops--doesn't this make them our comrades? In that sense, it is quite accurate.
But any little nitpick to slam CNN, right? Since it's CNN, no one wants to assume that the guy on the ground knows more than anyone writing on a blog might know. Looks weird to bloggers, so the liberal media has done it again.
Turns out it's you boneheads who are discussing things you know nothing about.
And before CY can get all self-righteous about the "bonehead" remark and call me uncivil, someone will call me a traitor because I don't have BWS (Bush Worship Syndrome), so I guess it will all come out in the wash.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 23, 2007 07:34 PM (zQxAD)
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Wow must be a slow news day or something because your attack on CNN for this article seems like it is grasping.
Comrade-
A person who shares one's interests or activities; a friend or companion.
Friend-
# A person whom one knows, likes, and trusts.
# A person whom one knows; an acquaintance.
# A person with whom one is allied in a struggle or cause; a comrade.
I would say that "A soldier searching for missing *friends* in Iraq" is accurate. What is the big deal with that?
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:30 PM (88FOa)
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No it IS a big deal our Boys DO NOT want to be confused with the terrorists!!!!
You know, you can always tell when someone's skipped his meds when he uses selective ALL CAPS and a pocketful of exclamation points.
Confused with terrorists? Uh, Karl, that soldier in the picture is one of our allies. You can tell because our allies wear a uniform and the mujahadeen and other insurgents do not. That's what makes them so hard to shoot.
A simple concept, really, but I can understand why you'd find it a difficult one to grasp.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 23, 2007 08:57 PM (tk0b2)
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David,
The reason why some (not pointing fingers) find this to be a big deal is they think the war is between the US and everyone that is Muslim. Which to me just seems ignorant and narrow-minded.
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 09:17 PM (88FOa)
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Faery Pants -- We have had war with Iran since 1979. we are at war in Iraq. The Saudis did 911. Pakistan harbers Al Qaida. We are basicly at war with every muslim country and at peace with all NON-muslim countries what do you call it???
Posted by: Karl at May 23, 2007 10:18 PM (BKFQg)
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I call it ignorant and narrow-minded, which is the reason we will not accomplish our goals in Iraq. It is hard to try to encourage peace if we view everyone in the country as the bad guy. I guess you don't want to be peace, ever.
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 10:48 PM (88FOa)
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 23, 2007 11:03 PM (Af3/m)
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I don't believe this is a serious issue ("A soldier," "comrades," both acccurate enough for a photo title), but certainly pointing out an ongoing PATTERN of inaccuracy merits mentioning.
It's not like we don't hear relentless harping from the left every time a Republican belches or farts.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 24, 2007 12:44 PM (HZBaW)
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So misleadingly labeling a report as inaccurate is one way of "pointing out an ongoing pattern of inaccuracy?"
Only if the "ongoing pattern of inaccuracy" you are pointing out is your own.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 25, 2007 07:46 AM (oJ/ze)
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May 22, 2007
Forcing War: Brian Ross, ABC News Undermine Non-Military Plan Against Iran
And here I thought the media were against
war with Iran.
I'll be very interested to see whether or not the Justice Department will attempt to prosecute anyone in the intelligence community who leaked this information, as they obviously should. I doubt that Brain Ross or the staff of ABC News will be tried for criminal offenses (including treason), though the majority of comments posted on the Blotter's comment thread clearly favor that action... at least those they haven't yet deleted.
Ross and ABC News have purposefully undermined the non-military removal of a government that is a proud state sponsor of terrorism. If Ross and ABC News are successful in derailing covert non-military attempts to replace the Iranian government, then a military option may very well end up being our last remaining option.
If we are forced into a war because ABC News torpedoed our last, best hope at a non-military solution to the problem of Iran's militant, expansionist, Shia Islamist government, then the resulting deaths on both sides will belong in part to ABC News executives and Brian Ross.
Should that eventuality come to pass, the Federal Communications Commission should seriously consider suspending or removing ABC's broadcasting license as a warm up, and move on to more serious legal remedies from there.
Update: As is their pattern, the staff of the Blotter quickly removed my comment to their post that echoed the sentiments expressed in this blog entry.
ABC News gleefully exposes classified national security information, but apparently cannot tolerate some criticism of their own dubious operations. I can only wonder how many other criticizing comments they have deleted.
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Brian Ross should be tried as a traitor. HE KNEW what he was doing.
Posted by: Karl at May 23, 2007 12:06 AM (BKFQg)
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"If we are forced into a war because ABC News torpedoed our last, best hope at a non-military solution to the problem of Iran's militant, expansionist, Shia Islamist government, then the resulting deaths on both sides will belong in part to ABC News executives and Brian Ross."
Hyperventilate much, CY?
Posted by: Arbotreeist at May 23, 2007 12:50 AM (N8M1W)
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daveTM, Arbotree is short a couple of chickin mcnuggetts if you know what I mean
Posted by: Karl at May 23, 2007 01:15 AM (BKFQg)
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Karl, I'm with you big guy but you have to keep up with the rest of the squad. It's "chicken" but we know what you mean. Keep your head down and your mouth shut, it would help if you know what I mean.
Posted by: mt at May 23, 2007 01:37 AM (OouOg)
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I'd presumed we'd been doing this sort of stuff right along. If not, then we've been too nice.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 23, 2007 04:48 AM (73HJO)
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'"The kind of dealings that the Iranian Revolution Guards are going to do, in terms of purchasing nuclear and missile components, are likely to be extremely secret, and you're going to have to work very, very hard to find them, and that's exactly the kind of thing the CIA's nonproliferation center and others would be expert at trying to look into," Riedel said.'
And for 10 points, which administration deliberately outed a key covert member of the CIA's nonproliferation department as retaliation against criticism of their SOTU position, undermining decades worth of work as well as hundreds of contacts, front companies and other assets?
Posted by: Gridlock at May 23, 2007 06:32 AM (FKRiP)
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Great. Anti-Americans in Iran have been making hay over Mossadegh for over fifty years. This will keep them going for another fifty. When will we learn that the best way to get democratic reform is to keep our mitts off of it?
Posted by: sj at May 23, 2007 07:41 AM (HoalW)
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I am without words to express my extreme disgust. They CANNOT be allowed to get away with this!!! TREASON!!!
Posted by: jbiccum at May 23, 2007 07:49 AM (NiTuu)
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With all due respect, guys:
When the "MSM" does something that you feel undermines a war effort, they're traitors.
When they do something that you feel pushes forward a war effort, they're traitors.
If they seem to want to end the war in Iraq, they're responsible for the deaths.
If they promote the war in Iran, they're responsible for the deaths.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 23, 2007 08:07 AM (Klsor)
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First you don't want me to buy a pony. Now you want me to send it back. Make up your mind, Marge.
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 23, 2007 08:33 AM (Klsor)
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Wonder how long my comment lasts:
I've not watched ABC news in 10 years and this is just another example of why. If you have any proof it is illegal, submit it. Otherwise shut the hell up.
P.S. since you are ignorant of history, Abrams got sent up for withholding information, and the Iran contra issue was about bypassing the Boland amendment, a specific law related to disallowing funding "for the purpose of overthrowing the Government of Nicaragua."
Is there a similar law in relation to Iran? If not, then there is absolutely no corollary here with Iran-Contra.
Posted by: Buddy at May 23, 2007 08:40 AM (aGQVo)
Posted by: Buddy at May 23, 2007 08:46 AM (aGQVo)
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Yeah, and I'm sure whatever harebrained scheme the CIA comes up will work perfectly. Lemme guess, we'll make the Ayatollah's beard fall out, and then slip an exploding burkha onto Ahmedinijad's wife.
Posted by: scarshapedstar at May 23, 2007 08:51 AM (uRp/m)
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Chances are, this information was leaked intentionally by the government, as a part of the program to intimidate iran. Sadly, "leaking" by "anonymous" sources who are actually using their anonymity as a tool to feed officially sanctioned information into the press is a lot more the norm than "brave whistleblowing" these days. The press should not report based on anonymous sources when those sources are not whistleblowers with legitimate worries about what would happen to them if it were known that they were leaking.
Posted by: Chris Green at May 23, 2007 09:23 AM (l8CpG)
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Sounds like a little Phy-Ops to me...
Posted by: Tincan Sailor at May 23, 2007 09:45 AM (L4HGI)
Posted by: David M at May 23, 2007 10:04 AM (6+obf)
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Such plans are ALWAYS at the ready, I'm surprised when one becomes public and people appear shocked by it. We don't "know" if, in fact, such a plan is currently in play (ABC is not a reliable source for such information).
I suspect ABC news, or sources willing to talk to them, wouldn't know the difference between a plan that was solely on paper and one that was actually in effect, or how to report the difference, or would, in fact, be honest that there IS a difference.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 23, 2007 11:51 AM (4OtLH)
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And for 10 points, which administration deliberately outed a key covert member of the CIA's nonproliferation department as retaliation against criticism of their SOTU position, undermining decades worth of work as well as hundreds of contacts, front companies and other assets?
If the preznit does it, that means it isn't treason!
Posted by: moron at May 23, 2007 12:17 PM (gxZAP)
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amusing. torture and illegal wiretapping and opening the mail of americans is good, and freedom of the press is bad. how is life behind the looking glass?
Posted by: jay k. at May 23, 2007 01:07 PM (yu9pS)
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(LOL QUOTE)a key covert member of the CIA's nonproliferation department as retaliation against criticism of their SOTU position, undermining decades worth of work as well as hundreds of contacts, front companies and other assets? (/LOL QUOTE)
It's Valerie Plame! SUPER-SPY EXTRAORDINAIRE! She was *this* close to putting the kaibosh on the whole Khan nuclear proliferation ring, ending Saddam's reign of terror without violence and normalizing relations with the "Death to America" mullocracy. All before putting her twins to bed.
Posted by: no-one at May 23, 2007 01:10 PM (+4D4A)
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I always thought Bush would win. The bottom line is a game of chicken is always, "Who would rather crash than lose?" In the end, when it came down to a question of who was more willing to sacrifice the lives of American soldiers and Iraqi civilians, the Democrats blinked.
Posted by: trrll at May 23, 2007 04:01 PM (6ORla)
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Just for information's sake, but they've (so far) left my scathing comment up.
Posted by: Anthony (Los Angeles) at May 23, 2007 05:24 PM (mT12M)
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When will we learn that the best way to get democratic reform is to keep our mitts off of it?
Yea, that scheme worked out pretty well with Hitler and the Soviet Union didn't it?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 23, 2007 07:36 PM (zrtnQ)
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Yeah, Avenger, lets talk about WWII. Hitler was elected Chancellor by the same government that we helped force on Germany after WWI. Add to that a massive war debt to keep their economy in even worse shape than the rest of Europes and you've got a recipe for another world war.
Another example of is how the CIA overthrew a democratically elected but not sufficiently pro American gonvernment it Iran in the late 50s and installed Shaw Prevadi. The direct result was the revolution that put the Ayatollahs into power.
You wingnuts have gotta quit romantacizing WWII.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 24, 2007 05:24 PM (mYHGQ)
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Also, The Sun Came Up Today
Allegations in today's
Guardian that Iran may be supporting Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda in Iraq in anti-surge operations may come as a shock to some, but I
can't imagine why:
Iran is secretly forging ties with al-Qaida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq in preparation for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, US officials say.
"Iran is fighting a proxy war in Iraq and it's a very dangerous course for them to be following. They are already committing daily acts of war against US and British forces," a senior US official in Baghdad warned. "They [Iran] are behind a lot of high-profile attacks meant to undermine US will and British will, such as the rocket attacks on Basra palace and the Green Zone [in Baghdad]. The attacks are directed by the Revolutionary Guard who are connected right to the top [of the Iranian government]."
The official said US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive, linking al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran's Shia militia allies, that Iran hoped would trigger a political mutiny in Washington and a US retreat. "We expect that al-Qaida and Iran will both attempt to increase the propaganda and increase the violence prior to Petraeus's report in September [when the US commander General David Petraeus will report to Congress on President George Bush's controversial, six-month security "surge" of 30,000 troop reinforcements]," the official said.
"Certainly it [the violence] is going to pick up from their side. There is significant latent capability in Iraq, especially Iranian-sponsored capability. They can turn it up whenever they want. You can see that from the pre-positioning that's been going on and the huge stockpiles of Iranian weapons that we've turned up in the last couple of months. The relationships between Iran and groups like al-Qaida are very fluid," the official said.
Iran is not "secretly forging ties" with al Qaeda; they've had them all along, possibly as far back as the 1996 Khobar Towers attack. al Qaeda operatives, including the 9/11 plotters have long used Iran as a gateway to Afghanistan, and al Qaeda operatives have lived in Iran since the fall of the Taliban.
That Iran would use "their" al Qaeda to hook up with al Qaeda operatives and other Sunni insurgents in Iraq to pursue their shared goal of forcing the United States out of Iraq is not only unsurprising, it is tediously predictable.
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Firstly, the al Qaeda "ties" with Iran are being as implausibly played up as they were with Saddam's Iraq. Of course the Iranians are holding al Qaeda members. They hope to trade them for the MEK that we are holding in Iraq and have been for some time. The Khobar Towers connection is pure speculation. Quoth your provided article, "Al Qaeda, the commission determined, may even have played a 'yet unknown role' in aiding Hezbollah militants in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers. . ." Hmm, may even have played a yet unknown role, eh? Convincing. Let us not forget that Tehran fed us intelligence during the overthrow of the Taleban. There was no love lost on that border.
To the instant case, it is possible that the Iranians are backing the Sunnis, but it would a dangerous game for them. If this speculation is correct and the goal is to force us out of Iraq, they will, if successful, have to deal with the Sunni militants themselves afterward. They are, after all, the blood enemies of Tehran's own Shi'ite allies in Iraq. That seems like it would produce way too much blowback for the Iranians to accept. This risk may be outweighed by the Iranians' desire to bleed us dry faster.
On the other hand, blaming Iran for everything has become a hobby in both Iraq and Washington and it's similarly possible that this is just more calculated disinformation.
Posted by: Shochu John at May 22, 2007 02:24 PM (mydDl)
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sj:
Another of those who feels the Iranians wouldn't play with AlQaeda because they are Sunni. The iranians are talking directly with the Gulf States. Why wouldn't they be working with Al Qaeda?
Posted by: davod at May 22, 2007 02:32 PM (RdotW)
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Davod,
It's not that Iran won't work with Sunnis, it's the Iran is not likely to get along with the hardline Salafis (read al Qaeda types) who think that Shi'ia are not really Muslims. These are the "takfiris" (excommuncators) that you'll regularly hear Muqtada railing against.
It's difficult to form even a short term relationship of convenience with people who want you dead, and the Iranians are unlikely to find many people they can work with on the Iraqi Sunni side once they elimiate the Salafis and the Ba'athists. This is doubly so considering that any aid given to these people would likely be used against Iran's allies in Iraq (the Shi'ite parties). Again, it is possible that Iran might back such people so they keep fighting the U.S., but, especially with an American withdrawal looking more likely, it is a very risky proposition for them. No doubt their plan for the aftermath of a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq is Iran-backed Shi'ite parties rolling over the Sunnis and getting rid of the Salafis and Ba'athists once and for all with good old-fashioned genocide.
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It's obviously ridiculous to think that Shi'ites would ever ally themselves with Sunnis. It's as absurd as say, Hitler allying with Stalin.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at May 23, 2007 02:22 AM (hnl8M)
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You will of course dismiss it because the author is Seymour Hersch, but I would love to hear an intelligent response:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh
"To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda."
Posted by: Random Guy at May 23, 2007 02:33 AM (K1Emm)
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Time for "Chicago Rules" when dealing with Iranian operatives.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 23, 2007 07:38 PM (zrtnQ)
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So? What is the US going to do about it? Nothing! If we do anything more than bomb them we would have to withdraw troops from Iraq in which those on the right would view as a defeat.
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:53 PM (88FOa)
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Seung-Hui Cho fired
less than half of the 377 rounds of ammunition he brought with him into Norris Hall on April 16 before commiting suicide after killing 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech:
The gunman who killed 30 people at a Virginia Tech building was "well-prepared" to continue his shooting spree with more than 200 additional rounds of ammunition, a state panel was told Monday.
Police found 203 live rounds in Norris Hall, where Seung-Hui Cho killed 25 students and five faculty members before committing suicide on April 16, State Police Superintendent W. Steven Flaherty told a panel investigating the massacre. Cho also shot two other students elsewhere.
"He was well-prepared to continue on," Flaherty said.
Cho fired 174 shots from two handguns on the second floor in a span of nine minutes, taking his own life at 9:51 a.m. as police on the stairwell approached the floor, Flaherty said.
I suspect, but certainly cannot prove, that Cho chose to take his life when he did because he heard the sounds of police shooting through the locks on the first-floor doors he had chained shut, and he did not want to risk of being wounded by police and captured.
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McLiar
The Iraq War claims another veteran who was against it...
sorta:
Jesse Adam Macbeth, 23, formerly of Phoenix, garnered attention on blogs and in some alternative media after he began claiming in 2005 to have been awarded a Purple Heart for his service, which he said included slaughtering innocents in a Fallujah mosque. His story was contradicted by his discharge form, showing that he was kicked out of the Army after six weeks at Fort Benning, Ga., in 2003 because of his "entry level performance and conduct."
A complaint unsealed Friday in U.S. District Court in Seattle charged him with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate, and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.
Macbeth's public defender, Jay Stansell, declined to comment.
Organizations that opposed the war, including Iraq Veterans Against the War, posted videos or statements containing Macbeth's claims on their Web sites. In one videotaped interview, a skinny, stuttering Macbeth, dressed in a camouflage jacket, described slaughtering hundreds of people in a mosque: "We would burn their bodies ... hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque," he said.
On the upside, we've finally found MacBeth a uniform that fits him.
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He sure looks pretty in orange. Hope his sell mate thinks so, too.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 21, 2007 04:18 PM (mYHGQ)
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Being a active duty serviceman, I have a problem with these "veterans" that will do anything to disgrace the uniform that my brothers and sisters wear, then use it for their personal agenda. Hopefully this clown gets a judge who is prior military or a reservist....
Memo to Macbeth - asked for the tossed salad....
Posted by: fmfnavydoc at May 22, 2007 10:03 PM (I6QiV)
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Sadly, his version will live on in the hearts, minds and blogs of America's enemies.
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File
this under "not a PhotoShop, but it should be."
You can clearly see three Lebanese soldiers in combat fatigues (and the helmet of a fourth) as they cover their ears while firing a mortar against the Fatah Islam militant group outside of Tripoli, Lebanon.
But who is the forth guy in the phone, apparently wearing a brown polo shirt, seemingly obvious to the mortar firing at his feet, smiling as he talks on a cell phone? He looks more like an executive on a golf course than a soldier on the battlefield.
This is odd, even for Lebanon...
Note: The inset is my own, and is not in the original.
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To me it looks more like he is simply out of uniform. The brown shirt is his uniform undershirt, and if you look at his foot, it looks like a uniform trouser bloused into a combat boot.
I think that what looks like a collar is something hanging around his neck, or a cloth covering it (protection from the sun or to soak up sweat), or even the bunched-up collar of his undershirt.
Except for the way he is holding his hand I can't think of any reason to think he is talking on a cell phone except that this would explain why he is not covering his other ear (or perhaps he has only one arm--not uncommon among armies that fight a lot, though it begs the question of why in that case he would serve in a "combat" unit).
It may be that this unit communicates with its headquarters using cell phones, or he is actually holding some sort of tactical radio and got caught off guard when the mortar fired--which explains the grimace that indeed looks an awful lot like a smile.
Since I know that troops often operate without uniform shirts, especially when it is hot (and they lack discipline), this seems a simpler explanation than "some guy with a brown golf shirt was talking on a cell phone during a mortar firing operation").
Nonetheless, it doesn't help that the guy looks a lot like George Clooney. Just goes to show how two people looking at the same photo see different things.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 21, 2007 03:28 PM (8/oI9)
Posted by: Paul A'Barge at May 21, 2007 05:06 PM (T3gfS)
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Mayhaps he's the local munitions rep?. He must be deaf in his left ear.
Posted by: markm at May 22, 2007 06:09 AM (hVOTO)
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Now I am not an artillery guy, or even an Army guy (Go Air Force!), but I am not sure why all the other troops are covering their ears. Small mortars don't make that much noise when they fire. We are not talking about big howitzers here! ;-)
Posted by: Charlie Foxtrot at May 22, 2007 12:18 PM (jJaYT)
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That might be Mr. Black or Mr. White, or perhaps Mr. Schwartz or Mr. Cohan. Those gentleman are known to travel widely and provide advice in such situations.
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I See Vague Dead People: The New Best Way to Lie
Knowing the intense scrutiny that their photographers face following last summer's
Adnan Hajj incident, most news organizations are carefully reviewing photos taken by journalists in the Middle East before publication, to make sure they havne't been modified. They are, however, still failing to question the captions they use to describe photos, which can also be used to deceive news consumers.
The two photos shown below have been published in the past 24 hours, and are a prime example.
AFP ran the following photo and caption yesterday:
Palestinian mourners carry the body of Hatem Hmeid, 15, during his funeral in the Jabalia refugee camp, northern Gaza Strip. Eight people were killed in a new Israeli air raid in Gaza on Sunday just hours after Israel's security cabinet gave the army the go-ahead to ramp up operations against Palestinian militants.(AFP/Mohammed Abed)
Reuters ran this photo and caption today:
Palestinians pray near the bodies of nine Palestinians killed by an Israeli air strike in Gaza May 21, 2007. Israel launched more strikes against Gaza militants on Sunday, killing nine Palestinians in two aerial assaults, including one that struck the home of a prominent Hamas politician, security officials said. REUTERS/Mohammed Salem (GAZA)
View the pictures and the captions that these news organizations provided with them, and you're looking on what may appear in your local, regional, national, or international news outlet of choice.
What you will probably take away from these photos is that once again, those dastardly Israelis are once again slaughtering defenseless Palestinians while targeting militants. Both captions mentioned that Israel was targetting militants, but both avoided mention that the dead pictured were apparently those same militants, and not innocent bystanders. Considering the names of the photographers, I wouldn't be too surprised if that vagueness was by intent.
The pictures, however, tell us a bit more than the captions would indicate.
Look closely at the photos above, and then take a gander at this photo in the Guardian Newsblog.
Hamas supporters on the left, with the green flags, Fateh on the right with yellow flags. Photograph: Laila el-Haddad
If seeing is believing, the dead in the pictures in the AFP and Reuters photos were militants wrapped in the flags of Fatah and Hamas.
Palestinians?
Yes, they most were.
Civilian victims?
I suspect not.
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I forget, who is lobing unguided missiles into civilian populations?
Posted by: Mekan at May 21, 2007 01:41 PM (hm8tW)
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I can't help but notice that the markings on the flags(?) or shrouds(?) on the dead in the first two photos, are of different color and type than the very clear Hamas and Fatah flags in the last photo. Green in particular is, I understand, a holy color to the Muslims. It's no suprise to find a body wrapped in it at a funeral.
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Why do you think that the two sides might not wrap innocent bystanders killed in military strikes in the relevant flag? Even if not militants, once killed by Israelis are they not martyrs, and therefore deserving of respect (or at least exploitation as martyrs for their public relations value)?
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 21, 2007 03:33 PM (8/oI9)
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Is that first one a Fatah flag? Looks suspiciously like Hezbollah to me.
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They'll Stand Up, But We Won't Report It
MNF-I has issued a press release detailing the repelling of a large-scale terrorist attack by Iraqi Security Forces
this past Wednesday:
Iraqi Security Forces countered several terrorists who targeted bridges, transition jails, police stations and a combat outpost with vehicle-borne improvised explosive devices, sporadic small-arms fire and indirect mortar attacks throughout the evening.
"This was a total team effort on the part of the Iraqi Security Forces and emergency responders," said U.S. Army Col. Stephen Twitty, commander of 4th Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division. "This Iraqi team showed the people of Mosul that they are resolute in their efforts to defeat this very cowardly, desperate enemy while protecting innocent civilians."
The first wave of attacks consisted of three VBIEDs, which targeted the Badush Bridge northwest of Mosul at 5:15 p.m., and was followed by another VBIED attack at the Aski-Mosul Bridge west of the city at 5:45 p.m.
Two more VBIEDs exploded outside a police station and a transition jail during the first wave. The first VBIED was a dump truck, which detonated upon reaching the entrance to the station. The driver of the second VBIED attempted to enter the compound but was killed by Iraqi Security Forces.
As the driver of the second VBIED was killed, terrorists attempted to breach the transition jail to release prisoners by using small-arms fire. However, Iraqi Security Forces quelled the attempt and kept the facility secured.
The second wave of attacks involved another dump truck VBIED parked outside a southeast police station at approximately 7 p.m. As the driver abandoned the vehicle, he was seen by Iraqi Police and was killed as he was fleeing the area. The Iraqi Police immediately cordoned the vicinity before detonation. No casualties resulted.
Small-arms fire erupted during the second wave at seven police stations throughout the city and one combat outpost. In all cases, Iraqi Army and Police repelled the enemy and killed at least 15 terrorists and turned back the remaining opposition.
"The Iraqi Security Forces are in the lead, and they are certainly a capable force," said Twitty. "Their reactions to the attacks [on Wednesday] only serve to prove their ability to destroy and remove terrorists. Their actions demonstrate their commitment to this city and its people. I am extremely proud to serve beside them."
Stars and Stripes indicates that up to 200 insurgents may have been involved in the May 16 attacks.
If these accounts are close to being accurate (and there have not been any conflicting accounts that I am aware of), the Iraqi Security Forces in Mosul performed extremely well, repelling a large scale (company-sized ), multi-wave attack with no outside support from U.S. forces.
CNN covered the story, adding:
Mosul police spokesman Gen. Saied al-Jabouri said intelligence reports suggested the attacks were coordinated by al Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq -- which he said were "two sides of the same coin" -- and were an effort to free at least 300 inmates from the al-Faisaliya prison in Mosul.
Al-Jabouri said seven of the 10 vehicle-borne bombs were suicide car bombings and that a key bridge, many buildings, shops and homes were destroyed during a six-hour period starting late Wednesday afternoon.
A U.S. military source said the bombs killed 10 Iraqi police officers, one Iraqi soldier and two civilians. He credited the Iraqi security forces for these "minimal casualties," saying it "could have been much worse if they were not doing their job."
"The ISF dealt with it, showing the people they are trained and ready," the U.S. military official said.
Al-Jabouri said Iraqi troops, backed by the U.S. military, fought with insurgents for two hours across Mosul, killing 15 of them and one Saudi national.
You would hope that the major news organizations would report the successful repulsion of such an attack as the victory it was, and as an example of success that can be won by Iraqi military and police units. al Qaeda and the ISI are the insurgency's "varsity" in Iraq, and when placed head-to-head against Iraq's best, they lost a battle in which they had apparent advantages in surprise and firepower.
This should be regarded as significant news.
But it is very difficult to find many major western news outlets carrying a report of the events in Mosul on that day, quite an odd development considering the size of the attack. This is especially odd when you consider that these same news outlets were able to print dozens of stories about a pair of ABC journalists killed in Mosul on May 18, just two days later.
I understand that the deaths of two journalists in Iraq is very important to those in news-gathering industry, but I don't think I'd be wrong in state that a rare and sophisticated company-sized attack by al Qaeda and the ISI being repelled by Iraqi security forces is a far more important news story than the deaths of two reporters, both for those in the news business, and those new consumers around the world.
The Iraqi security forces thwarted a major assault and an attempt to free 300 prisoners, and suffered minimal casualties in a serious engagement.
That's news.
It's too bad there seems so little interest among professional news organizations in reporting it.
Update: Heh:
Is there any way we can get Al Qaeda on record as supporting carbon dioxide production? Seems like the only way to get the MSM's interest.
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I feel reasonably certain that if the AQ/ISI assault had succeeded in freeing the war criminals from that jail the MSM would be hailing, yes, hailing, it as a Dien Bien Phu for the Iraqi government forces.
That fits in better with the MSM's preferred narrative.
Posted by: bubba at May 21, 2007 12:49 PM (r0Bun)
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Full Metal Jacket (1987)
LOCKHART: And, Joker ... where's the weenie?
JOKER: Sir!
LOCKHART: The Kill, JOKER. The kill. I mean, all that fire, the grunts must've hit something.
JOKER: Didn't see 'em.
LOCKHART: Joker, I've told you, we run two basic stories here. Grunts who give half their pay to buy gooks toothbrushes and deodorants—Winning of Hearts and Minds--okay? And combat action that results in a kill--Winning the War. Now you must have seen blood trails ... drag marks?
JOKER: It was raining, sir.
LOCKHART: Well, that's why God passed the law of probability. Now rewrite it and give it a happy ending--say, uh, one kill. Make it a sapper or an officer. Which?
JOKER: Whichever you say.
LOCKHART: Grunts like reading about dead officers.
JOKER: Okay, an officer. How about a general?
A few laughs.
LOCKHART: Joker, maybe you'd like our guys to read the paper and feel bad. I mean, in case you didn't know it, this is not a particularly popular war. Now, it is our job to report the news that these why-are-we-here civilian newsmen ignore.
Posted by: Shochu John at May 21, 2007 01:00 PM (dOcZ9)
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Hey Man, Nice Shot
Cordially,
Uncle J
Posted by: Uncle Jimbo at May 21, 2007 01:06 PM (SZag9)
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A little too much shochu there, John?
Sorry, I mean, what a powerful statement about military reporting from a Hollywood movie. And it was from a fictional Vietnam, too. How apropos.
Naturally, civilian reporters would NEVER have a conversation like the Joker / Lockhart one above, and everything that shows up in a Hollywood movie about the character of the US military in 1968 is certainly true today, right? Don't even need to think to know that, right, shochu?
Posted by: hontou? at May 21, 2007 01:22 PM (ALjam)
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It also would have been nice for the media, in spring 1968, to have reported that the Tet offensive had essentially destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective fighting force and severely attrited the NVA--and that was during the administration of a Democratic president. I'm not holding my breath for the MSM to pull its head out anytime soon for the current occupant of the White House.
Posted by: rockindoug at May 21, 2007 01:57 PM (SLEVh)
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Where'd you go, Shochu? I need clarification. Was that a subtle jab at Kubrick, or toilet paper stuck to the bottom of your shoe?
Posted by: clazy at May 21, 2007 02:10 PM (EWsFM)
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cy
don't knock the lack of msm attention. they might pull uncle walter out of retirement to announce how this was a major defeat for the allies.
Posted by: iconoclast at May 21, 2007 02:41 PM (TzLpv)
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Move along, nothing to see here, move along...
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hontou?[!],
No doubt if I had quoted Homage to Catalonia, your reaction would be several rambling lines of sarcasm pointing out that Iraq and Spain are completely different countries. Forgive me. I will try to use only literal language and simple words going forward. Let me know if this is properly clear:
Official government releases about military conflicts have as their chief purpose not the dissemination of facts, but the furtherance of military objectives. In the instant case, it should come as no surprise that the military is talking up our Iraqi allies, as they have been doing so for the last four years. In that four years, actual performance has consistently underperformed the sunny words. It therefore stands to reason that this is getting little circulation in the “MSM” because (1) it is of questionable credibility and (2) the war is no longer popular enough to relay official puffery as news.
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So much for your reasoning skills...
Things don't appear in the MSM due to their questionable credibility??
Paging Dan Rather...
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at May 21, 2007 03:21 PM (xuO8w)
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I'm with SJ here: if you believe everything the miltary tells you, you are probably working on at least some false information.
If the only evidence that 200 insurgents were involved is a US DOD press release, we can take them for about the same value as the casualty reports out of Viet Nam back in the day.
So if the MSM is not reporting it the way the military describes it, I have to say that it probably didn't happen the way the military described it. Would not be the first time, for certain.
(And what, by the way, is the motivation for the MSM to report the bad but not the good, beyond "if it bleeds it leads?" I see some circular reasoning here--the media doesn't report the good things happening in Iraq because it is liberal, and it must be liberal since it doesn't report the good things happening in Iraq.)
Anyway, "7-10 vehicle born bombs" does not constitute a "large-scale attack" for this old tanker. And they responded with "the backing of the US military." Let me know when they can operate without our help--oh, I forgot, many of them already do, at least when they are off duty. Only we call them "insurgents." "Fighting ISI by day and USA by night" could be the motto of many Iraqi troops and cops right now.
Still, let's say for the sake of argument that the Iraqis are responding effectively and without assistance to large scale attacks now. This means the mission is complete and we can start withdrawing, right?
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 21, 2007 03:48 PM (8/oI9)
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I got it. The benefit of the doubt goes to the enemy. Clear as a bell, SJ.
Posted by: buddy larsen at May 21, 2007 03:50 PM (lCS93)
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No, Shouchus right about the Stars and Stripes. It's always been pretty much a propaganda rag. We used to read it just to see how much of it we actually verify was BS.
Isn't CNN pretty much mainstream?
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 21, 2007 03:55 PM (mYHGQ)
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In El Jabal during the first gulf war we sat around one night and counted the number of Patriot Missles it took to bring down a Scud. We came up with 16 on average.
The following day we watched the same attack as protrayed on CNN. They only showed the ones that hit.
It ain't just the Stars and Stripes. CNN started out life as a propaganda organ for the US government.
All I know for sure about this war is they lied about why we were going, didn't send enough troops and have been f**king it up by the numbers for over 4 years now. I'll won't know what really happened there until 10 years after the last troop comes home and neither will any of the rest of you. Since I honestly don't give a damn about any Iraqi, and neither, really, does anybody else posting to this site, I hope that's about the middle of next week.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 21, 2007 04:07 PM (mYHGQ)
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"CNN started out life as a propaganda organ for the US government."
Wow.
Did you clear that statement through Mr. Jane Fonda, Ted Turner??
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at May 21, 2007 04:16 PM (xuO8w)
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So if the ISI thwarted such a major attack and suffered minimal casualties in a serious engagement, why not bring our troops home? Seems they are able to do what Bush considered necessary for us to claim victory. Or are we still afraid of "them" following us home?
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7-10 VBIEDs do not "constitute a major attack" for the terrorists ?
Oh, sure, for an insurgency to concentrate that level of resources into one zone of attack would be a
trivial thing. Especially during a security lockdown period.
I don't know that much about tanks, but UW was
my specialty. I wonder Just what
would equate to a major attack for some people ? Apparently, some folks think these guys have armored divisions on call ? We need to forget the Cold War -- this is guerilla warfare (terrorism if you prefer). You don't concentrate that level of force without being serious in your commitments.
Ya' think a line of 40 dump trucks moving down the street might arouse some suspicions ?
And if anyone wants to believe that CNN (often relying on the "let's PhotoShop" AP and the "We hate America" Reuters) is less biased (albeit in the opposite direction) than the S&S, I really have little to say to them.
I have been on the scene twice for major events that were covered by CNN, and in both cases what I say was substantially different from what was reported.
I know, who am I supposed to believe, CNN or my own lyin' eyes ?
Setting aside the "glass is half empty/half full" phenomenon, which I recognize I do suffer from, I remain more skeptical of CNN than anything this side of AP or the NY Times. There is a difference between skepticism and silence.
Consider, if a terr says something
against US interests, CNN reports "so-an-so alleges." But if the US says something
against the terrs, CNN responds with silence. And, as is clear above, too many are very eager to believe the US lies, but that it's enemies don't.
Repeat after me: We are the
good guys. If we blow up kids, it's an accident or an aberration. They are the
bad guys. When they blow up kids, it's often deliberate.
I really can't make it plainer than that.
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"CNN started out life as a propaganda organ for the US government."
Who knew that Peter Arnett was reporting news on behalf of the Iraqi Information ministry because the US government wanted him to.
The strange twisted logic that turns CNN into a US proganda organ while simultaneously praising their coverage of the 'human cost of war' under the barrel of an Iraqi gun is beyond this writers ability to understand. Then again, its lately become the spin of the Left to praise 'Baghdad Bob' for his truthful and accurate information.
Posted by: celebrim at May 21, 2007 05:05 PM (Qnlt+)
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SJ and RSS are simply on the other side, and all their comments should be evaluated on that basis.
Posted by: SDN at May 21, 2007 05:47 PM (TIw0n)
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Let me note for the record that I do not "trust" CNN or really anybody else in terms of actually reporting the facts in a wholly accurate and unbiased way. Basically, determining accuracy in what one reads is a "totality of the circumstances" test. Look at who they cite, who wrote it, what the mood of the country is realtive to the story. This last one accounts for a lot more than people give it credit for. In the run up to the war, the allegedly liberal NY Times, the old grey lady herself, was chering on the war via such luminaries as Judith Miller. They were not alone, virtually every news outlet was giddy with excitement. It was like 1991 all over again. People love a good war that we win quickly. People do not love a war that drags on for years with no end in sight. As the war becomes less popular, the coverage becomes less favorable. Official sources, however, report the same sunny pablum always at all times because it is their mission to keep up our morale, demoralize the other side, and win the hearts/minds to our cause. Bad news has no place in that mission whatsoever.
Now some specific comments:
1charlie2: I disagree with your analysis here as to CNN. I searched CNN's site and news soruces in general and found that when you have "nnn dead", it is not usally bad guys, but a mixed bag of civilians and who knows who else. For example, "Car bomb kills 27 in Baghdad commercial district".
SDN, if the other side is reality, that is certainly the side I am on.
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Col Nathan Jessup: Son, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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For me, the most hideous aspect of this war is the venom, the sneering, the snark that spews from the side that refuses to accept that the Iraq mission is vital and justified.
Our brave, all-volunteer forces are fighting an enemy that makes the Waffen SS and the Imperial Japanese look like Victorian gentlemen, and what do so many Americans do? Belittle our troops' efforts. Defecate all over them. Laugh. Minimize their triumphs and maximize their mistakes.
It's enough to make me wish actual physical harm on certain people. At the very least, may they someday meet face to face with the terrorists they claim are both not a threat and at the same time vastly superior to our troops in fighting abilities.
A humane caveat: At the last moment, right before the blade comes down on their pencil necks, may a squad of marines burst in and rescue them.
But only after these languid cynics crap their pants, grovel, and weep for mercy.
Posted by: Tom W. at May 21, 2007 07:51 PM (wBCOw)
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There are TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST
The war CAN BE ONE and WILL BE dispite them
Our men are tough enough to win the war but the wounds that wont heel are those inflicted by the leftist freaks like SHOCHU JON. WHY DO THEY WANT TO LOSE???
Posted by: Karl at May 21, 2007 09:45 PM (BKFQg)
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Karl,
I agree the war can be WON, but for the sake of argument please tell me how. Please tell what is victory. Please tell me how long it will take. 5 year, 10 years, 15+ years? Is that acceptable to you?
Anyway, the article is about the media not reporting the victories of the ISI. My question is, if they are having victories without our help, why are we still helping them? And why would not helping them be considered a loss? As Bush said, there will be no clear cut victory (i.e. no surrender), so if there is no clear cut victory why is it so obvious there is a clear cut defeat?
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5 year, 10 years, 15+ years? Is that acceptable to you?
I don't know about you guys but I'm willing to stick with it until we are FINISHED be it 20 or 50 years. Period.
If we turn tail and run, the entire middle east will consider us cowards, and arabs NEVER respect cowards. It's mostly because liberals refuse to accept that this war has NOTHING to do with politics, they hate us because of the trash morality and culture constantly being exported from the U.S. by the liberals. They think the can attack us with impunity because they know that few if any liberals in this country have the courage to do what is right for this country, as opposed to what is popular and right for their next campaign. That's right morons we're fighting to make sure you have a world that allows you to be as immoral as you want, and if the terrorists win and manage ever to take a stake in this country, I guarantee, you liberals will be beheaded by those psychos LONG before us moraly minded conservatives. But don't worry, we're still allowed to own guns *blows raspberry*, so we'll protect you when they come.
Posted by: GWC at May 22, 2007 05:23 AM (kRse/)
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What "other side" am I on, SDN? The one populated by people who spent twenty years as combat soldiers? I don't want to hear your "support the troops" BS. I know a lot of those guys, and I am not the one who is "defecating" on them.
I am not the one who left people in charge of Walter Reed who care more about profit than about our wounded troops because I thought privatizing everything is a good idea.
I am not the one who institutionalized a system of diagnosing wounded soldiers with "personality disorders" so they could refuse them benefits.
I didn't send them to war without proper equipment, and I didn't decide to force a small number of troops to bear the entire burden because I was afraid to pay the political cost of bringing back the draft--or at least increasing the size of the force.
I didn't clamor for a tax cut even as the war against terrorism started because I was more worried about my investments, the stock market, and the economy than I was about winning.
I didn't recommend shopping as a way to win a war because I preferred a polarized electorate and narrowly decided political victories to leading the American people as a team in a fight for our way of life.
I didn't abandon the search for the perpetrator of the WTC attacks so that I could go after a petty dictator--one of many in the world killing his own people--in a misguided attempt to force democracy on people at the point of a gun.
I didn't degrade a war hero's purple heart--and by implication call the US Navy a pack of liars--and reduce it to a political symbol on a band-aid. I didn't accuse a decorated veteran of lying for political purposes even as I supported a candidate for president who could not even be bothered to finish his BS National Guard job because he was too busy working on the political campaign of his father's pal.
I dissented from all of these policies and arguments. The leaders you follow so blindly are the ones who hate--or at least disdain the sacrifice--of our brave men and women in uniform. At least until they need a nice background for a political speech.
If all you got is "SJ and RSS are traitors who hate the troops," then your argument that this war is necessary and that we are winning is a weak one. If cognitive dissonance won't let you face the prospect that the media isn't reporting anything good out of Iraq because nothing good is happening in Iraq, then nothing I can say will get through.
But the best part is that even as you folks accuse dissenters from Decider Bush of treachery and of defecating on the troops, you also fret about the "venom, the sneering, and snark" from those with opposing views.
Thanks, CY. It's been fun.
Posted by: R. Stanton Scott at May 22, 2007 06:06 AM (My13t)
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Well said, Tom W. Methinks you touched a nerve, there.
And, R. Stanton Scott, Thanks for proving Tom W's point with your snarky "dissenters from Decider Bush". It really is all about BDS and two lost presidential elections, isn't it.
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"..FINISHED be it 20 or 50 years. Period."
"If we turn tail and run, the entire middle east will consider us cowards, and arabs NEVER respect cowards."
I guess I just do not see how staying forever makes us look strong if we cannot create security. Also I wonder how you think that Americans (who are lighting rods even in the best of circumstances in the Middle East) can militarily convince people to stop fighting each other. I just don't get it.
I quote for you the POTUSA: "Bush believes if we are going to commit American troops we must be sure there is a clear mission and an achievable goal and an exit strategy." Do you think we have the above? A clear mission? An Achievable goal, and an Exit Strategy?
(I would be glad to give you the URL of Bush's quote, but posting it triggers the spam filter..)
What about this quote from Pat Buchanan: “And what are we doing bombing and attacking this
tiny country that has never attacked the United States to rip away from them a province that does not
belong to us? I believe it is an unjust war. I think we have failed in our strategic objectives, and it is now
becoming basically no longer a war for Kosovo but a war to save NATOÂ’s credibility and NATOÂ’s face.
And that does not justify sending in an army of 100,000 American ground troops into the Balkans.”
Humm, seems the "venom, the sneering, the snark that spews from the side that refuses to accept that the Iraq mission is vital and justified." as Tom W. is quoted as saying seems to run on both sides of isle. I would think that genocide would fall into the category of vital and justified, but those opposing the president did not seem to think so.
Posted by: JW NC at May 22, 2007 08:34 AM (88FOa)
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Don't I hear from military experts that defeating insurgencies can be expected to take 10 to 20 years? If that's how long it takes, that is how long it takes. We cannot leave the job unfinished.
And, being of a conservative bent, I don't look to Pat Buchanan as a voice of reason. That being said, the national security interests of intervening in the Balkans under Clinton were a lot less apparent than the national security interests of going into Iraq in 2003. Just this morning, I read a post relating to the real threat that was the Hussein regime in Iraq that I think puts the lie to a lot of the "we shouldn't have done it" arguments: http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2007/05/in_todays_wall.html
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at May 22, 2007 01:33 PM (fUh66)
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Al Queda doesn't have elections, nor do they ask themselves how long it will take. They don't have to worry about public perception because besides not really giving a rip what people think they have our MSM providing cover. If instead of every grievance they can put on the front pages slamming our leaders and soldiers they would devote all that ink to all of the attacks worldwide carried out by these extremist there would scant room to report anything else.
The Islamofascists are not only killing Americans. They are killing Thais, Indians, Buddhists, other Muslims (mostly), Africans and anybody else who dares to challenge them.
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May I remind everyone that CNN, a generally left-wing source, has also reported this story.
Anyways, it does not surprise me that the Iraqi Security Forces are doing better. May I remind you they are protecting their children too, and as sick and bloodthirsty as the Iraqi public was in 2003, it appears that the sheer magnitude of the human tragedy known as Islamicist intervention has finally sunk in and they may be soon out of their psychosis, as recent events in Anbar with the blessings of tribal big men given to our millitary reflect. Also, the ISF may have seen their own pathetically high casualty rates and taken some lessons. From the description of the operation, it can be conluded that some discipline has been bestowed on the ISF. A few more of these victories, and Bush may not hand a mess to his successor after all.
Posted by: Jeremy Janson at May 22, 2007 08:01 PM (Xd4Q3)
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What constitutes victory?
When there are no more members of Islamic terror gangs to hunt down and kill. Then the war will be over.
Posted by: curious at May 22, 2007 09:46 PM (TbQ2S)
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"I don't know about you guys but I'm willing to stick with it until we are FINISHED be it 20 or 50 years. Period."
We still have troops stationed in Germany and Japan after 60 years. Why should Iraq be any different?
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"We still have troops stationed in Germany and Japan after 60 years. Why should Iraq be any different?"
Big difference. Those troops are on a military BASE not patrolling the streets in a hostile country. We are not running elections and providing "security" for the German and Japanies governments.
My question to you is this: Do you think pulling troops out of Afghanistan to put in Iraq should be viewed as a defeat? I mean we pulled troops out of Afghanistan before that job was finished, or did we catch UBL and I wasn't aware of it?
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:16 PM (88FOa)
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"We still have troops stationed in Germany and Japan after 60 years. Why should Iraq be any different?"
Big difference. Those troops are on a military BASE not patrolling the streets in a hostile country. We are not running elections and providing "security" for the German and Japanese's governments.
My question to you is this: Do you think pulling troops out of Afghanistan to put in Iraq should be viewed as a defeat? I mean we pulled troops out of Afghanistan before that job was finished, or did we catch UBL and I wasn't aware of it?
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:16 PM (88FOa)
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Progress?
Jules Crittenden takes a look
behind the headlines to note that the intensive search operations for our missing soldiers in Iraq have led to a dramatic decease in al Qaeda activity in the so-called "Triangle of Death." He's got a dozen links, al worth reading.
Meanwhile, my buddy Michael Yon is in al Anbar, once al Qaeda's base of operations and the heart of the Sunni insurgency, and is bored out of his mind. This is the second time he's mentioned a lack of action there (here's the first) in as many days. He could get used to this. I think we all could, American and Iraqi alike.
Other parts of Iraq were not as quiet.
Sheikh Azhar al-Dulaymi, the Iranian-trained mastermind of the Karbala raid that killed five American soldiers killed in late January, was killed in Sadr City by U.S. forces.
Elsewhere in Iraq, seven U.S. soldiers were killed over the weekend, along with dozens of Iraqi civilians. Eight insurgents were killed and almost three dozen more were captured in a series of raids on Karmah, south of Baghdad.
Elsewhere in the War on Terror, Lebanese Army units fought intense battles with an al Qaeda-aligned group outside Tripoli. Speculation is that the group is backed by Syrian military intelligence at the behest of Syrian dictator Bashir Assad. The group is apparently led by Shaker al-Absi, a Syrian Air Force veteran that is thought to have fought against U.S. forces in Iraq and who is believed to have had links to al Qaeda in Iraq's former leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. According to a Washington Post report, on the terrorists killed, Saddam El-Hajdib , was a suspect in a failed train bombing in Germany.
Meanwhile, the McCain-Kennedy Illegal Alien Exploitation and Terrorist Proliferation Bill is under debate in the U.S. Senate. The bill would offer official documentation to illegal aliens without being able to verify who they actually are or where they come from, and would allow terrorists like the three illegal alien brothers who crossed over the Mexican border at Brownsville and were recently arrested plotting a terrorist attack on Fort Dix to continue to penetrate this country, now with the added bonus of being able to get legal status.
McCain and Republicans in the House and Senate want cheap labor at indentured servitude prices, while Democrats, knowing that illegals tend to break Democrat roughly 5:1 because of the Marxist/socialist politics of their home nations, hope to use illegals to establish an overwhelming permanent Democratic majority.
In the end, we're looking at a Congress that is willing to pass a law that would enable Osama bin Laden himself to get legal status here in the United States.
That is not a comment I'm making up; it comes directly from Mike Cutler, a 30-year veteran of the U.S. Immigration Service, who thinks the Senate bill should be referred to as the Terrorist Assistance and Facilitation Act of 2007.
I hate Mondays.
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"knowing that illegals tend to break Democrat roughly 5:1 because of the Marxist/socialist politics of their home nations"
Is that it, or is it the fact that an otherwise natural fit for the GOP (socially conservative Latino voters) are being driven away by the overt anti-immigration stances of a good chunk of the Republican Party? You'll note that W. has been consistently pro-immigration. That may have something to do with the fact that Karl Rove can count. There are a lot of Latino voters today. There will be far more in twenty years.
Posted by: Shochu John at May 21, 2007 10:24 AM (dOcZ9)
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First, President Bush has been pro-Mexican immigrant from his early days as governor, and has sought to provide a means of legalization from the beginning. It is not a Karl Rove plot.
While I think this amnesty thing is wrong, very wrong, it is something that has been part of the President's goals from the outset. I don't care if the the illegals that are granted amnesty vote Democrat. I care that we are granting amnesty with our borders wide open. We have not fixed the problem, we have just punted it further down the line. This leaves us vulnerable in many ways, fiscally, socially, and militarily. The fact of the matter is that I don't think anyone would be as upset over amnesty if the mechanism for securing our borders against illegal crossing was in place.
Posted by: Mekan at May 21, 2007 11:02 AM (hm8tW)
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The way that the comments are phrased is a problem. I know of few people who are actually against immigration. The majority of people that I know that are against this deal have a significant problem with illegal immigration. They view the issue from several points. The illegals have broken the law. Not only in crossing the border, but also in obtaining false idenity (often stealing identity). This makes them criminals on multiple counts. They are also not educated and generally the lower elements of socity. We have enough of those in the country.
The open borders obviously is a security issue that has to be addressed. But has anyone considered what will happen to the illegals if they are made legit? Their employers will then have to meet Federal guidlines regarding them so they will likely lose their jobs, then we will need another 12 million to replace them.
It does the Republicans little good to count on these people as future voters if they are loosing their base. And I feel that is exactly what is occuring.
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A Few Words on Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Etc.
I don't agree with the
threats, but I certainly share the frustrations.
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is that supposed to be "reid"?
Posted by: jon at May 21, 2007 08:00 AM (4AjM8)
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And now you see why I shouldn't blog until I've had my second cup of coffee. ;-)
Fixed.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 21, 2007 08:23 AM (9y6qg)
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Pat nailed that one alright. Those three have no problems using our soldiers like props in a movie. I use to think t hey work for the other side now I see theyr only side is themself. No there HAPPY to build their career on the backs of our soldiers. They WANT us to lose so they can be big fish in a smaller pond.
LIke Pat Id feel zero remorse no thats too good first Id pop their arms from the sockets.
Posted by: Karl at May 21, 2007 10:40 AM (BKFQg)
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An angry right-winger? Now
there's something you don't see every day. Good find.
Posted by: jpe at May 21, 2007 11:02 AM (+rmhC)
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“Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.”
President Abraham Lincoln
Sounds like they're following a pretty good role model.
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Vogue: Strike a Pose
Q: Who doesn't wipe away small trickle of blood running from their hairline, down between their eyes, off the end of their nose, and around their mouth?
A: A car-swarming Palestinian, when a Reuters cameraman is nearby.
The photo appears to be a cropped version of this wider image, which shows the carswarm in progress, and the remains of the mangled militant van hit by Israeli aircraft.
Perhaps I'm too jaded to be objective after last year's Pallywood antics, but I'd guess there's a more than decent shot that his wound came from being jostled in the crowd swarming around the sharp, twisted metal of the bombed van, and not from injuries from the blast itself.
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too bad if his wound came from an israeli strike. if the arabs in gaza want to condone war with israel, superficial wounds like this are the least that will happen.
Posted by: iconoclast at May 18, 2007 04:21 PM (4tMTz)
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It looks fake. He has no debris on his clothing, so its either a PR stunt, or as you said it came from the car swarm.
Posted by: Justin at May 18, 2007 11:06 PM (NiTuu)
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Doesn't everyone run to the nearest wreck and climb all over it?
Must be a muslim thing.
Posted by: 1sttofight at May 19, 2007 01:18 AM (51r8a)
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Is it me or does that look more than a little like Robert Downey?
Posted by: TBinSTL at May 19, 2007 02:50 AM (MSiPb)
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That pic is phony as a $3 bill.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 19, 2007 08:56 AM (V3P6G)
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More heart-tugging propaganda from Reuters. Ho hum.
Posted by: Fred Beloit at May 19, 2007 12:39 PM (Z7x7c)
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I'm sure I'm not the only one that's tired of seeing photos of them with their mouths open.
Posted by: Cindi at May 19, 2007 03:41 PM (asVsU)
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I'm more than happy to give them something to scream and bleed over.
Much more than happy to do so....
Posted by: WB at May 19, 2007 06:27 PM (Heb/P)
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Caption: "We need better dentists!!"
Posted by: Specter at May 19, 2007 07:33 PM (ybfXM)
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You know, I've never actually seen blood that color. . .
Posted by: Trish at May 19, 2007 09:38 PM (+8dXE)
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We've seen photos of Paleostinians joyfully dipping their hands in, and actually licking, the blood of those they have murdered.
Posted by: pst314 at May 20, 2007 02:09 PM (lCxSZ)
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Mr. Owens,
Just wanted to inform you of the latest news showing Syrian involvement with Al Qaeda:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=b873e949-a572-466a-8660-6ab5f889ec77&k=0
"At least 48 dead as Lebanese army battles Al-Qaida in north"
A cabinet minister said the fighting with Fatah al-Islam, which the government says is backed by Syria, seemed timed to try to derail UN moves to set up an international court to try those suspected of carrying out political killings in Lebanon.
Of course, Syria denies any invovement with this group. I guess the timing of the latest clash, was just a mere coincidence....I mean anything is possible, right?
More here: http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/features/article_1306836.php/Fatah_al-Islam_an_emerging_threat_for_Lebanon
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Last comment continued:
It actually is quite confusing to figure out if "Fatah al-Islam" is connected with Syria or Al Qaeda or both. Remember, this is the Middle East, you know....
Around the time of the diplomat's death in Jordan, al-Absi was jailed in Syria on charges of planning terrorist attacks inside that country, according to Lebanese officials. He was released in the fall and reportedly headed to Lebanon where he set up base in the camp, Nahr el-Bared....
In March, authorities arrested several members who they claim confessed to carrying out the attack and identified the detained group's ringleader as a Syrian, Mustafa Sayour.....
On Sunday, Fatah Islam's spokesman in Nahr el-Bared, Abu Salim, would not say if the group was linked to al-Qaida but claimed its aim was to liberate Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem and protect Sunnis.....
But Lebanon's national police commander Maj. Gen. Ashraf Rifi denied Fatah Islam's alleged al-Qaida links, saying it was a Syrian-bred group.
"Perhaps there are some deluded people among them but they are not al-Qaida. This is imitation al-Qaida, a 'Made in Syria' one," he told The Associated Press Sunday.
I tried to put up the url lik for this article, but my comment wouldn't go through with the URL link. Don't know why
Posted by: Dude at May 20, 2007 03:47 PM (adC/a)
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Jeffrey Dahmer tease. He should be ashamed of himself.
Posted by: NortonPete at May 20, 2007 06:11 PM (fVuwW)
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what i wanna know is why a palestinian is wearing a canadian tuxedo
Posted by: paully at May 20, 2007 10:57 PM (0osFo)
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Just remember about 30% of the men in that picture are terrorists. A bullit's too good. They should have their arms popped from the sockets or their eyes gouged first then the bullit.
That one guy squashed a packet of ketchup on his head or maybe he cut hisself with a knife for brownie points. The Arabs cut their heads up in a parade, they cut their childrens head up too. They wear white robes and show the blood. I seen it on LGF. No big deal there kind don't feel pain same as us. These men are heathen.
Posted by: Karl at May 21, 2007 12:00 AM (BKFQg)
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That's fake. Head wounds bleed like a mother and this guy only has the artistic trickle of blood and none on his clothing. A simple nosebleed can make you look like a stuck pig.
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Desperate Non-Wives
Perhaps its just my perception, but perhaps the reason that there are so few men taking
wine-tasting and tennis classes in New York City is not that they are uninterested in the subject, but that the men who have these interests are already dating each other.
I'm kidding. Mostly.
Ann Althouse takes another stab at answering the question:
Men prefer to look at something they have decided to do and figure it out on their own. They like to observe, analyze, and discover. They accept the risks and enjoy the excitement of trial and error. They don't like sitting around having someone tell them what to do, and they aren't intrigued by the prospect of meeting women who spend so much time doing something they loathe.
Now, I just made that up, but it was no more made up than the explanation in the article.
Althouse is a lot closer to reality than the loopy NY Times reporter.
I don't know any of my male friends who would sign up for a class to learn how to do anything; typically if they're interested in a subject, they'll ask a buddy for pointers or just dive right in. The trial and error is part of what makes new experiences worthwhile.
Of course, the choice of activity matters a great deal as well.
Look at the list of classes chosen by these desperate women: "tennis, running, sailing, horseback riding, fitness boot camp and scuba diving classes" and "golf, cooking or music class," and "Thai kickboxing or jazz appreciation."
Now honestly... how men of these activities are of interest to most single straight men in the age groups these women are targeting? Cooking and music classes? Thai kickboxing and jazz appreciation? These might appeal to men when they get older, but most younger single men have very little interest in these subjects, and even if they did, as Althouse correctly observed, they'd just do it.
If these women wanted to meet men, they'll find out what men like and where they hang out, and go there.
Somehow, I doubt that advice will lead them back to a jazz appreciation class.
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I feel no sympathy whatsoever for any single person in NYC who is incapable of finding a mate. Having lived the the same neighborhood as she did, let me confirm what every single man already knows. GO TO A BAR FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! IF YOU WANT TO MEET A GUY GO TO A BAR, ORDER A DRINK, COUNT TO 10. Here's are three places to start. Molly's on 3rd Ave, Telephone Bar & Grill on 2nd Ave M J Armstrongs on 1st Ave.
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I don't know any older men either who are interested in those subjects. When I was interested in meeting men, I started a Monday Night Football Party at my house. Started with 3 guys who I already knew and were good friends and over the next three years the group grew to anywhere from 10 to 30 guys on any given night. As the group grew, I even made it "bring your own beer" but I always had the snacks and comfy chairs or big pillows to lounge on on the floor. At first I felt like I had to play hostess and would jump up and wait on the guys, but as the weeks went on they started treating me like their mascot and began to cater to my needs. Many of these Monday Night Football parties extended over to weekend BBQ's and other casual activities.
A girlfriend who stopped by unexpectedly said the next day, "how does a middle age average looking woman get some of the best looking guys in town to hang out with her?" My answer, "become one of the guys."
I'm happy to say that most of those guys are still good friends of mine and always invite me to any parties they have and this is 20 years later.
Posted by: Pal2Pal at May 18, 2007 01:11 PM (hGL+y)
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There's only one activity in that list that require classes and that's scuba, otherwise you won't get certified. Maybe sailing because it's not an intuitive activity.
But jazz appreciation? You go, you listen, you appreciate. Or not.
Running? You put one foot in front of the other at a quicker pace than walking. That is called running. Class dismissed.
Horseback riding? There's a reason women enjoy this more than men.
The big problem is the women themselves. They get interested in something because they think men are interested? No. You get interested in something that interests you and then you meet people with the same interests.
Sweet Jeebus, how hard a concept is that to grasp?
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 01:20 PM (kxecL)
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Well that explains why these women are looking for men instead of men looking for them.
Posted by: 1sttofight at May 18, 2007 02:31 PM (51r8a)
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What the hell do these women want to meet men for in the first place? They claim not to need them; have no respect for them; have made beatin' up on men, particularly white men, the national pasttime; and wouldn't know a real man - the kind worth having - if they fell over one. Which they probably have.
Reap = sow.
Posted by: Cindi at May 18, 2007 02:43 PM (asVsU)
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Cindi!?!? They're going to pull your card.
Posted by: CoRev at May 18, 2007 03:08 PM (0U8Ob)
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Nope, CoRev, they can bring it on but it's not gonna happen. I'm a firm believer and practioner of our 2A. Heh.
I calls 'em as I sees 'em; that's what a REAL WOMAN does.
Posted by: Cindi at May 18, 2007 03:50 PM (asVsU)
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After 12 years in the Marines I have an intense distrust of anyone that goes running with nobody making them. Do people really take classes to learn how? Just move to a bad neighborhood. It worked for me.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 18, 2007 04:35 PM (mYHGQ)
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Ever since Rudy cleaned up Times Square it's been hard to find a bunch of available guys in one place.
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I was living in NYC in the '80s when that guy's parents got tired of paying for a professional student, so he went and started "The Learning Annex" distributed free on the street. You could sign up for courses in basket-weaving, wine and cheese tasting, how to lose a Brooklyn accent, how to get one for an acting job, etc.etc. We would read these at the pubs and wait till the gals came out to party. Never took one of those courses; if I want learn something, I just read blueprints and manuals, or find an expert on my own.
Posted by: Tom TB at May 19, 2007 05:08 AM (h/YdH)
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"Now honestly... how men of these activities are of interest to most single straight men in the age groups these women are targeting?"
Hey! HEY! Scuba diving and golf - not activities straight men are interested in? Wrongo, bub. As someone else on this thread mentioned, classes are mandatory in scuba unless you're not looking to get certified. And, as someone who's enjoyed the sport since 18 years of age, I can tell you that anyone who doesn't feel they need the instruction is playing with his life.
As for golf: well, let's just say that 1) Tiger Woods still signs up for instruction and 2) I don't want to spend 10 years trying to figure it out on my own enough to not be the worst golfer within 50 miles!
I'm 100% with you on the jazz appreciation.
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The
accused plotter worked for Doctors Without Borders. I'm guessing "first do no harm" principle of Doctors without Borders slipped by him in orientation.
The Israeli intelligence services say they have foiled a plot to assassinate Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and other senior Israeli political figures. Details of the story were released yesterday after Israeli authorities lifted a media blackout.
The plot allegedly centered on Mazab Bashir, a 25-year-old Palestinian from Gaza who worked for the international medical relief organization Doctors Without Borders. According to the Israelis, Bashir was arrested in Jerusalem while he was gathering intelligence for future terrorist attacks.
It is not uncommon for Palestinians from Gaza to be granted travel permits by the Israeli security agencies if they work for recognized nongovernmental organizations. Bashir held such a permit, which allowed him to travel regularly from the Gaza Strip to Jerusalem, officials said.
The indictment said Bashir made several surveillance tours of the area surrounding Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's Jerusalem residence but decided that the building was too well protected. Working with the Palestinian militant group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, he allegedly received hand to hand combat training and used the Internet to find alternative Israeli personalities to target.
Forbes was able to provide details of the alternative target list:
Once he deemed that the assassination of the prime minister was impossible, Bashir began collecting information on other top Israeli politicians, including Cabinet minister Avigdor Lieberman, deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh and Labor Party lawmaker Ophir Pines-Paz.
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Don't mess with
John Murtha's pork:
According to the draft resolution, Murtha shouted at Rogers on the House floor Thursday for offering a motion last week to expose $23 million Murtha requested in an intelligence bill.
Murtha had requested the money to prevent the administration from shuttering the National Drug Intelligence Center in Johnstown, Pa.. in Murtha's district.
"I hope you don't have any earmarks in the defense appropriations bills because they are gone, and you will not get any earmarks now and forever," Murtha told Rogers on the House floor, according to the draft transcript given Politico.
"This is not the way we do things here -- and is that supposed to make me afraid of you?" Rogers replied.
"That's the way I do it," Murtha said.
According to the article, the National Drug Intelligence Center, "has received repeated low marks from several federal review boards."
If true, it seems that Murtha was trying to support a failed government outpost in his district to shore up his political support at home, at the expense of federal taxpayers... classic "business as usual" politics.
I'd suspect nothing will come of the reprimand attempt. The accusation will likely be entered into the Congressional Record, the reprimand voted upon, and probably fail along party lines. I think the purpose of Roger's filing the accusation was to document the stupidity of Murtha making such a thread in front of multiple Republican congressional witnesses, and to ensure that if Murtha does attempt to make good on his threat, that more serious ethics charges could be on the table.
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Murtha makes Tamany look like Mother Theresa
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 18, 2007 09:27 AM (e2GZl)
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"That's the way I do it," Murtha said.
He should have at least said, "That's how I roll!" to inject even more comedy into the situation.
What a skull-hammering douchebag.
Posted by: negentropy at May 18, 2007 09:31 AM (27KAF)
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Business as usual, indeed.
This whole funding issue is completely FUBAR. There is no effort to do the right thing, from either side of the aisle. And for those who don't believe me, I have two words:
Ted Stevens.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 09:37 AM (kxecL)
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David, there is a difference between Stevens and Murtha. Stevens never threatened anyone. Murtha apparently issued an open threat, in front of a sizable number of Congressmen.
I think that is a distinction with a major difference.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 18, 2007 09:42 AM (9y6qg)
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No, this is great. Let em slash each others earmarks. There needs to be lots more of this. What would be scary is if they make up and start agreeing to help each other out again...with our money.
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 18, 2007 09:57 AM (mYHGQ)
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Bob,
I forget the details, and don't have time to look them up, but didn't the GOP leadership threaten to challenge a representative's son's campaign if he didn't vote their way? And I think it was for the incredibly flawed and expensive Med bill, but I could be wrong.
My point is, the leadership makes threats all the time, Murtha's mistake was making the threat in public.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 10:05 AM (kxecL)
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I carry no brief for Murtha, but I don't see the "ethics issue" here. Isn't what he did--"refuse to scratch my back and I'll refuse to scratch yours"--the essence of Congressional logrolling and compromise?
If Rogers backs Murtha, then Murtha will back Rogers. If not, then the backing is taken away.
What is so different here from what has been done for over two hundred years?
Posted by: Doc Washboard at May 18, 2007 10:26 AM (nrafD)
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Doc,
Right - the skids need to be greased both ways. But what Rogers did was file a motion questioning Murtha's inclusion of the earmark into another bill. Murtha went apes^&t in public. That broke the rules as normally the back scratching is done in back rooms.
iaintbacchus,
Good point. I say do away with all earmarks.
David T.,
I agree that the problem is on both sides. But there is one difference here. The Dimmies are in charge. They ran on the "NewD irection" theme. They haven't spent one minute doing that. All they care about is oversight and one new "scandal" after another.
This is the second time in two weeks that Murtha has made a total a$$ of himself. And as one of the leaders of the Dimmies in Congress, don't you think it reflects the whole Congressional Majority in a rather poor light? Abscam indeed!
Posted by: Specter at May 18, 2007 11:57 AM (ybfXM)
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Specter,
You're right. (Thought you'd never see me say that, huh?) The Democrats did run on a new directions theme and that's why I'm so disgusted with them my hair's on fire.
Of course, the Republicans promised to bring honesty and integrity back to the White House and we see how that's going.
I'm fed up with the whole bunch.
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Goodbye, GOP
Ace's suggestion sounds about right to me:
Write, call, and fax your Congressmen and Senators -- especially Republican ones -- and let them know you will never vote for them or their party again should the immigration bill actually pass.
And let them know that you don't particularly trust them on national security, spending, or taxes either, so they won't wrongly believe those trump cards will still win the hand for them. Let them know if this isn't scuttled -- if the border isn't secured first, verifiably, before any amnesty legislation passes -- you will no longer vote for, volunteer for, or donate to any Republican candidate for any office ever again.
Not a dime, not a vote.
It's time to let them know they're walking into the abyss. Inform them in no uncertain terms that they are attempting to purchase the votes of new "Americans" who split 5:1 Democratic by losing your reliably conservative vote forever.
I've never felt I owed anything to the Republican party.
I told my Senators Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr last night:
Senator, my name is Bob Owens. I run a conservative political blog called Confederate Yankee (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/) that 90,000-100,000 opinionmakers visit each month.
Tonight, I will tell my readers, conservative Republicans, fence-sitting conservative Democrats and moderates, that if the Senate passes the pending illegal alien amnesty bill, that I will formally abandon the Republican party, as it has abandoned me. I will then ask them to do the same. I will ask that they refuse to contribute to Republican campaigns. I will ask them to stay at home and refuse to vote for Republican candidates, or even consider voting for Democrats in protest in 2008.
I am not alone.
Kill this amnesty bill
But you know what? I lied.
There is no "if, then" here. There are no longer any conditionals left. I'm simple done with today's iteration of the "Grand Old Party." This amnesty bill was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
I've just downloaded and printed my North Carolina Voter Registration Application/Update form.
I'm re-registering as "unaffiliated."
Goodbye, GOP.
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Bob,
It's not funny, but I had to laugh.
You know I come from the other side of the political spectrum, but I'm as fed up as you are - only at the Democratic Party.
For the first time since I turned 21, I an considering registering as unaffiliated.
We live in a country where you can choose from 65 kinds of toothpaste, an entire aisle of breakfast cereal, but only two people for president.
If I have to choose in 2008 between Hillary Clinton and a guy who thinks the Left Behind series is nonfiction, I'm going to eat my gun.
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 08:30 AM (kxecL)
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It used to be who you wanted in office,
Then it was for the lesser of two evils,
Now it's for who will screw up the country less.
Posted by: Retired Navy at May 18, 2007 09:28 AM (cqZXM)
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Hmmmm.
I hate to say this but I kinda long for the good old days when all I had to worry about was the Soviets.
Posted by: memomachine at May 18, 2007 09:47 AM (3pvQO)
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interesting cy
maybe there is room for a hostile takeover of the democratic wing of the Democrats. While I disagree with many (many, many) of their positions, I have to admire their rock-solid discipline and willingness to fight extremely hard for their goal. Characteristics that have been sorely lacking in the stupid party (GOP) since RR.
But, nah. I am sure the elite in the Dem party ignore their folks as much as the R's do. With gerrymandered seats, free speech limitations, and donation limitations both parties have engineered themselves a pretty sweet deal at the expense of the electorate. Just political karaoke/kabuki with nothing really changing.
Posted by: iconoclast at May 18, 2007 09:59 AM (TzLpv)
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I vote for the conservative candidate,while avoiding third parties, but I have not seen one for years. What does the future hold? My guess is more of the same. Can we change it? Only if there is a WE to make the change.
I am not optimistic.
Posted by: Mekan at May 18, 2007 10:15 AM (hm8tW)
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Does it matter anymore? Are there any leaders left in America? I am a conservative and have never considered myself a party.
Posted by: Mekan at May 18, 2007 10:17 AM (hm8tW)
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I have to agree with everyone else. As a conservative, I have felt that the Republicans are only giving us lip service. With this amnesty bill it is obvious that we have been given the finger as well. Watch for them to come up with an emotional topic such as abortion to rally the base.
Posted by: David Caskey,MD at May 18, 2007 10:56 AM (G5i3t)
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Dr. Caskey,
You and I have disagreed in the past on things, but on that we agree. The GOP will pull out Gays, God and Guns, just as before, and hope it plays.
In the meantime, the Democrats will run against Bush and the war and promise to buy everyone a puppy.
Conservative, liberal, I don't really care. I just want some honesty and competence. Is that too much to ask?
Posted by: David Terrenoire at May 18, 2007 11:04 AM (kxecL)
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Mr. Terrenoire,
I think you are on the money. I would even forgive some dishonesty (sometimes needed for security, especially UFO cover ups jk), as long as we had competence. This plutocracy must not continue. We are a democratic republic dag-gumit.
Posted by: Mekan at May 18, 2007 01:11 PM (hm8tW)
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I am hoping for a Conservative Party because that would look nothing like the Republican Party, so who is going to step up and start one, Duncan Hunter, maybe Tom Tancredo though he is a little to isolationist for me but still has good conservative values and really according to Lindsay Graham in a speech before Hispanics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEfrFoAIn4 would call these two guys bigots. I would suggest that gets them extra points.
Posted by: Jaded at May 18, 2007 01:55 PM (0lpqx)
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A guy at work told be deciding between voting republican or democrat is like deciding which toilet to drink from...
Posted by: Ray Robison at May 18, 2007 02:10 PM (Cgo1/)
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Changed from R to Unaffiliated right after the last primary (missed the deadline), although I voted Republican in every race, for much the same reason.
It's been stated elsewhere, and frequently, that the time to worry was when the government refused to stand for re-election.
In indirect ways, that's exactly how things have been going since the escalation of gerry-mandering districts, BCRA, the lawsuits after every election, and now the move to re-design the electoral college vote allocations.
They're too smart to come right out and admit it but the electorate has been given less and less choice with each move.
Posted by: Cindi at May 18, 2007 02:55 PM (asVsU)
Posted by: Gabriel at May 18, 2007 03:30 PM (NTVio)
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So what now? I reregistered independent almost 12 year ago because I saw this coming. There isn't any liberal/conservative divide in politics anymore. There's corporate friendly bought and paid for polititions on both sides of the isle who bring up trivialities like gay marraige and gun control so we won't notice that the middle and working classes are being sold down the river.
This whole immigration thing is about one thing only: Cheap labor. It started with NAFTA and MFN trade status for China. Thanks a lot Willy. But Bush 41 would have done the same if he'd have stayed in office. And now that there are fewer and fewer living wage jobs they want to open the borders and get scabs who aren't even Americans to take away what's left. And the really nasty part is that even the scabs are getting screwed. They come here because they were promised a better life. What really happens is they have it worse here than if they just stayed home.
The Republicans are not going to do anything about it because most of them are in office via corporate money that they need to stay in office. Tha Dems won't do anything because most of them got where they are by pandering to minority interests.
I hate to say this, because I laughed at him in the eighties, but Ross Perot was right.
So what do we do now?
Posted by: iaintbacchus at May 18, 2007 04:17 PM (mYHGQ)
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The Republican's hideous record on gay issues hasn't soured me on them enough to vote Democrat, immigration won't do it either.
I do believe this particular bill is a huge slap across the faces of the American people, I can't believe Bush said this is a "good bi-partisan bill," and I do wish Republicans would behave like Republicans again, but there are many more issues I trust Republicans with than Democrats.
Politicians suck, that's nothing new.
Posted by: DoorHold at May 20, 2007 11:50 AM (1baxJ)
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OK. I'm with you. The only choice left to the
voters is for the form of big-government which
we'd prefer. There's no one around who stands for
constitutional principles and limited government.
It's left-wing corruption or right-wing corruption. That's it.
But what-next? Let's suppose we all register as
unaffiliated or independent or whatever our states
call it. Then what? In PA, the only thing that
accomplishes is to give me even less of a voice,
since I can then vote in neither primary.
What will re-registering accomplish? I've already
stopped donating to the RNC, but I'm not going
to switch my registration until there's something
useful I can do with it.
I'm interested to hear where you plan to
go from here.
Posted by: x at May 20, 2007 06:03 PM (bqZHH)
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Well maybe if people stopped voting along party lines and actually voted for the person that best represented their view (I would say issue(s) but that is just as bad as voting for a party) of the world we would not elect idiots like these. None of this is surprising in the least.
For all of those that are registering unaffiliated, can you please tell me that you will at least consider voting for the other party if their candidate best suits your views?
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AG Gone?
If
the Paper Chase is correct, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez may soon be
on his way out:
Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, predicted Thursday that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will resign from his post at the conclusion of current investigations into the allegedly-political firings of federal prosecutors. Specter's comments followed others made by Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) Wednesday, who suggested that by remaining in his position, Gonzales was harming the Justice Department. Senator Pat Roberts (R-KS) concurred, telling the Associated Press that it was noteworthy that Gonzales is spending more time on Capitol Hill defending himself than working as the Attorney General.
I'll be depressed when this happens.
Really.
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No need to feel depressed conyank, he ain't goin' nowhere (yet). Bush's worst fear right now is an honest man as A.G.
Posted by: ec1009 at May 17, 2007 05:46 PM (xcGis)
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ec1009, great innuendo, but you offer no logical discussion as to why President Bush would fear an honest AG, or that the current AG is not honest. Your hate Bush rhetoric is tired and old, simply not worth the time to type this response.
Now I am no fan of our AG. He is weak and a bumbler, but to back down yet again to Democrat bully tactics is tragic.
Posted by: mekan at May 18, 2007 06:07 AM (a8Oey)
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He better step down! Come on, a politician politicizing a political appointment. Wow, thats actually tough to spell. Hope I got it right.
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Waiting for Sderot
Did you hear about the high school hit yesterday by a pair of missiles?
Of course you didn't. It was an Israeli school in Sderot that was struck, and the missiles were fired by Hamas.
A quick Google search of news outlets shows that this kind of school violence is apparently not newsworthy by the standards of our gatekeeper media.
To be fair, Google News did not capture all mentions of the story (NOTE: see update below).
The New York Times mentioned the attack in passing in the ninth paragraph of this story, which was focused almost exclusively on Israel's retaliatory air strike against Hamas commanders.
CNN followed a similar pattern, kindly donating a few words about the high school attack in the tenth paragraph of a story focused on Israel's air strike and the Hamas-Fatah not-civil war.
Only CBN covered the attack on the high school with any depth at all:
Palestinian terrorists in Gaza launched at least 11 Kassam rockets at the besieged Israeli city of Sderot Thursday, hitting a high school and a greenhouse in another Israeli community in the western Negev. Scores of rockets have fallen in the area this week, forcing thousands of residents to seek shelter elsewhere.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has promised a "harsh and severe" response to the rocket attacks, which could include the renewal of targeted assassinations of terrorist groups in Gaza or eventually even a military reinvasion of the Gaza Strip.
Two rockets hit the high school in the Shaar HaNegev Regional Council as students met in fortified classrooms to take their matriculation exams in mathematics.
The Kassams damaged an unfortified section of the building and lightly injured two people. Several others suffered shock.
Rueters' Nidal al-Mughrabi completely neglected to mention the attack on the high school, even though his story was side-barred by these pictures of the attack.
Caption: An Israeli firefighter surveys the scene after a rocket, fired by Palestinian militants, landed in a high school classroom in the southern town of Sderot May 17, 2007. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen
Caption: Israeli students embrace during a rocket attack at their high school in the southern town of Sderot May 17, 2007. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen
Caption: Israeli students hold their hands up to their faces on the scene of a rocket attack at their high school in the southern town of Sderot May 17, 2007. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen
The news outlets of the world apparently have little interest in the attack on an Israeli school, but instead bend over backwards to write more than 2,500 3,000 stories about the results of the Israeli air force targeting Hamas leaders who are blamed for ordering the attacks on Sderot.
Update: A reader at Wizbang! noted that the Google search I ran for "Sderot high school missile" was incorrect, as a rocket, not a missile, was used by Hamas. I then ran a Google News search on "Sderot high school rocket," and the search hits jumped dramatically... no, not really.
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Actually, the news I heard was that the Israelis bombed hamas in retaliation for a rocket attack.
No mention, of course, that the rocket attack hit a school.
Just those mean Israelis shooting at Hamas.
Posted by: iamnot at May 17, 2007 11:14 AM (onj4J)
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I am a die-hard liberal, but I hope Israel kicks Palestinian ass. Israel left the Gaza Strip and now it is nothing but an area of war-torn trash. The double standard is with our foriegn policy. If that was an American school, we would topple a country. Israel is the only civilized country in the Mideast, it should protect itself with an excessive amount of force.
By the way we need to get out of Iraq.
Posted by: dallas at May 17, 2007 11:35 AM (ZMnnP)
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By the way we need to get out of Iraq.
So you want Iraq to be like the Gaza Strip?
Posted by: 1sttofight at May 17, 2007 11:39 AM (51r8a)
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"Buildings being damaged just isn't particularly noteworthy if there is no body count."
Scochu John - Unless your children are attending that school!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 17, 2007 12:27 PM (p/5A/)
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Umbrage - Wow, you just copied and pasted THE EXACT COMMENT you left at Wizbang. Now that's what I call lazy!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 17, 2007 12:29 PM (p/5A/)
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Folks, I'm going to ask you to please re-read the
comments policy, and stop with the profanity and personal insults.
I can delete 'em a lot fast than you can write 'em, and I can ban your IP even faster than that.
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You know, I wasn't surprised at the unbalanced media response.
What I was surprised at was my own reaction. Several of the news stories thus googled included mentions that the area was a favorite rocket target, and that Sderot high school was "unprotected" or "unfortified". "Oh," I thought to myself, "that explains why... um, it's okay that..." and then realized I was triggered by those words into trying to rationalize the actions of terrorists.
Why should ANYONE have to fortify a high school? I mean it. Why should anyone ANYWNHERE have to fortify a high school? Or an elementary school, for that matter.
An eye for an eye was not, as most people think, the harsh retaliation and draconian punishment dictated by the Bible. It was the absolute maximum. And therein lies the rub. When Israel retaliates, even if the number of dead or wounded is lower or zero, even if no civilians (as opposed to terrorists) are killed, even if no property is damaged except ostensibly paramilitary property, any response at all is called "harsh".
Meanwhile a rocket attack is just another day.
Posted by: BlueNight at May 17, 2007 02:49 PM (imTbG)
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By the way we need to stay in Iraq.
So you want Nashville to be like the Gaza strip?
Posted by: TMink at May 18, 2007 07:31 AM (PxDOJ)
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One article I read mentioned rockets hitting the school but no mention whatsoever of where they came from and who fired them. I guess rockets fire themselves...the same way SUVs and guns kill people all on their own.
Posted by: Peg C. at May 18, 2007 07:45 AM (S0aeA)
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"dallas" wrote:"I am a die-hard liberal, but I hope Israel kicks Palestinian ass."
The "but" in that sentence is quite revealing. It illustrates perfectly the difference between "liberals" and "Liberals". The former would replace the "but" with "therefore".
Posted by: GPChicago at May 18, 2007 08:38 AM (RF6oq)
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And so it goes. Evil Israelis pound poor Palestinians. Just 'cause they don't like them, I guess.
Posted by: M. A. George at May 18, 2007 09:27 AM (kYfdk)
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For all the woes and weepings by the Gazans, I wonder where the money has come from that paid for the multistory buildings and new cars they have, in addition to the guns, ammo and rockets they lob at Israeli schoolchildren and homes. Perhaps the way to end their wars whether against Israel/is or other Gazan factions, would be to strangle their money supply even more than what the current boycott is doing.
Posted by: American-Israeli at May 18, 2007 02:08 PM (ngPoq)
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Why didn't you not that the Israelis are only crying because the Reuters cameras are there? I mean, if a guy is not allowed to have blood on his face after a missile blew up a van next to him, you shouldn't be allowed to look sad when a missile hits your school.
Posted by: Andrew at May 18, 2007 07:07 PM (LuJwe)
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Like we don't know it's "open war" already.
In fact I've completely worked out the "cycle of violence":
1. Palestinians attack Israeli civilians.
2. Israelis attack Palestinian terrorists and any civilians who get in the way.
3. Palestinians complain the Israelis aren't fighting fair.
4. Media sides with Palestinians.
5. Bloggers side with Israelis.
6. Cycle repeats from Step 1.
I side with the Israelis for a number of reasons, but mostly because they seem perfectly willing to stop the war any time the Palestinians decide to stop attacking them. Furthermore I don't at all care how much collateral damage the Israelis inflict in the meantime, as it's clearly the Palestinians throwing down, and if they can't take the heat they should darn well get out of the kitchen.
It's hard for me to take complaints about Israel seriously when they're embedded in the acceptance speech for a Darwin Award. If the Israelis are big ruthless meanies who don't fight fair maybe you should consider blowing up schools in more compassionate countries instead of complaining about how uncivil the Israelis get when you blow up one of theirs.
Posted by: Laika's Last Woof at May 19, 2007 04:04 AM (YyGeM)
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"..any time the Palestinians decide to stop attacking them."
I am sorry, but Palestinians and Hamas are not the same thing. Just to keep that in mind.
Second, what does this have to do with Iraq? I really wish people would stop using Bush logic and connecting things that are completely unrelated.
As far as the media coverage, but as you all know, death sells, not damage. You all got what you wanted when the media became a corporation which stopped reporting the news and instead figured out ways to shock and entertain us. Oh, and by the way Jews seem to run everything media (and entertainment), you honestly think they are siding with Hamas over Israel?
Posted by: JW NC at May 21, 2007 04:46 PM (88FOa)
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My point about Iraq/Palestinian connection was in response to:
"By the way we need to stay in Iraq.
So you want Nashville to be like the Gaza strip?"
and
"By the way we need to stay in Iraq.
So you want Nashville to be like the Gaza strip?"
This article was not about the merits of taking out Saddam, nor our crusade in Iraq. It was about how the media is slanted which is completely unrelated to Iraq, Saddam, or anything else. Stop trying to always break everything down to an US vs THEM argument.
Posted by: JW NC at May 21, 2007 05:15 PM (88FOa)
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"Stop trying to always break everything down to an US vs THEM argument."
Except when "THEM" is the Jooooos, then it's open season, right? Thanks for proving once again that antisemites are hypocritical nitwits.
Posted by: Gary Rosen at May 22, 2007 01:19 AM (hnl8M)
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"I am sorry, but Palestinians and Hamas are not the same thing. Just to keep that in mind."
I'm not buying that line anymore. The plausible deniability afforded the Palestinians by Hamas becomes less and less plausible with every new terrorist attack.
If Hamas and the Palestinians aren't the same thing, when they danced in the streets on 9/11 they became close enough for all practical purposes.
Posted by: Laika's Last Woof at May 22, 2007 05:03 PM (YyGeM)
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And the above statement is why we will never win the GWOT. Your own ignorance will be the downfall of this country, and you seem almost proud of it. You know Japan killed lots of people when they attacked Pearl Harbor, and killed even more when we were at war with them, do you think that every Japanese person you see is evil? What about Germans? Or do you realize there is a difference between those that attacked us and those that are just Japanese?
Posted by: JW NC at May 23, 2007 08:22 PM (88FOa)
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Of course I harbor no ill feelings toward Germans or Japanese, because they changed long before I was even born. That change, as it happens, was effected by destruction so massive its reality exceeded the threshold of spiritual denial.
The Japanese could physically sustain the war down to the last 12-year-old child, but they could not sustain a belief in the divinity of their God-Emperor under a relentless rain of jellied gasoline.
Your comparison of the Palestinians to WWII-era Japanese could not be more apt. Now, as then, we face an enemy motivated by religious zealotry. Now, as then, we must break them of their barbarism in order for them to transcend it. To do anything less than what is necessary not only imperils us physically but in a sense stunts the growth of our enemies spiritually.
Posted by: Laika's Last Woof at May 24, 2007 01:54 AM (YyGeM)
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