October 30, 2009
Propping Up The Dead
In a more barbaric portion of our nation's past, it was not uncommon to prop up the bodies of the newsworthy dead to take pictures with them. It is a vile act still practiced by some crude thugs in one particularly callous and self-serving sect. You know them as the Democrats.
Whether tripping over each other to use caskets as a lectern at the funerals of a Wellstone or a Kennedy, there is never a moment too solemn for liberals to soil if the slightest political opportunity presents itself.
Our odious President Barack Obama is as feckless and sociopathic as his political brethren, and carted up a helicopter full of photographers and journalists to take to Dover Air Force Base. He wanted to use the bodies of those who died in Afghanistan as a photo op, in a move so blatantly calculated that even the New York Times was forced to comment on it.
A small contingent of reporters and photographers accompanied Mr. Obama to Dover, where he arrived at 12:34 a.m. aboard Marine One. He returned to the South Lawn of the White House at 4:45 a.m.
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The images and the sentiment of the president's five-hour trip to Delaware were intended by the White House to convey to the nation that Mr. Obama was not making his Afghanistan decision lightly or in haste.
Predictably, the Times edited away the offending truth, but no before it was already documented.
Only one family of 18 would allow Obama his cheap theatrics. 14 suffered through a meeting with the President and his surrounding entourage during what should have been a solemn moment of reclamation. Four families, apparently, were able to escape the White House-orchestrated circus entirely.
But liberals rotted to the core and rooted in the past instinctively returned to their traditional primal howl, with something called a Blue Texan at firedoglake using Obama's irreverent, calculated photo op to attack—who else?—George Bush.
At Blackfive, a real American, a soldier who understands the solemnity of service and loss, explains to the jackals:
Turning a solemn occasion into a photo op that becomes about you is not respectful, it is sorry. President Bush knew that and chose to show his respect in private to the people who really matter, the Gold Star families.
President Bush met with families individually and in groups, crying with them, praying with them, often with tears streaming down his cheeks. Those moments were private and respectful.
The left wants the bodies of the fallen stacked into a podium, cameras flashing, reporters intruding upon the dead and grieving so that they can project a false sincerity.
We're forced to ask: if the 18th family had refused to have their son's casket photographed, would Obama have shown up at all?
Sadly, I suspect we all know the answer.
Update: Like most liberals, Blue Texan can't understand why Obama's photo-op the other night in Dover was so loathsome.
Her sophomoric response an attempts to invokes a version of the "your guy did it too!" defense, trying to hide Obama's craven cynicism behind President Reagan's 1983 visit to Andrews Air Force Base to meet the bodies of Americans killed in a terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.
Context, of course, is paramount.
Reagan's visit—as a transcript of the radio address Blue Texan cited attests—was part of the government response to a significant terror attack directed at one of our embassies. Reagan's purpose was to unite American resolve in support of freedom and liberty:
More than ever, we're committed to giving the people of Lebanon the chance they deserve to lead normal lives, free from violence and free from the presence of all unwanted foreign forces on their soil. And we remain committed to the Lebanese Government's recovery of full sovereignty throughout all its territory.
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The scenes of senseless tragedy in Beirut this week will remain etched in our memories forever. But along with the tragedy, there were inspiring moments of heroism. We will not forget the pictures of Ambassador Dillon and his staff, Lebanese as well as Americans, many of them swathed in bandages, bravely searching the devastated embassy for their colleagues and for other innocent victims.
We will not forget the image of young marines gently draping our nation's flag over the broken body of one of their fallen comrades. We will not forget their courage and compassion, and we will not forget their willingness to sacrifice even their lives for the service of their country and the cause of peace.
Yes, we Americans can be proud of these fine men and women. And we can be even prouder that our country has been playing such a unique and indispensable role in the Middle East, a role no other single nation could play. When the countries of the region want help in bringing peace, we're the ones they've turned to. That's because they trust us, because they know that America is both strong and just, both decent and dedicated. Even in the shadow of this terrible tragedy in Beirut, that is something to remember and draw heart from. It is also something to be true to.
I know I speak for all Americans when I reaffirm our unshakeable commitment to our country's most precious heritage—serving the cause of peace and freedom in the world. What better monument than that could we build for those who gave their all that others might live in peace.
President Reagan's visit was meant to inspire a nation.
President Obama's visit was meant to salvage his reputation.
Big difference.
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Great post. That Liberal article where they bash Bush and the military was awful. As soon as some Lib used the words "Baby Killer", I was done.
There is really no question about how Libs see us. Any apparent respect they show for the military is sarcasm.
Posted by: brando at October 30, 2009 01:22 PM (IPGju)
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Gee Whiz, jerk. I guess that made Ronald Reagan one of those who committed on of those, how did you put it, "...vile act still practiced by some crude thugs...". I guess Ronnie had the stones to take responsibility for the horrible sadness that resulted from his orders. The Shrub had no stones, has none now, and never will have any. Nor will his vile father who could never face the consequences of his decisions. Gee. Like father, like son.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fRmm3JSBP-c/SusoVm8l8DI/AAAAAAAAAN0/s_RTUjroCLI/s1600-h/Ronnie+Facing+his+Responsibility+for+Death.jpg
Paste this address in your browser if you have the stones.
Posted by: The Scarlet Pimpernel at October 30, 2009 01:55 PM (XKKcX)
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As Matt Yglesias once put it: 'When I die, please feel free to use me as much as possible to promote the causes I support and believe in'
What would be completely unethical and particularly scummy would be to use someone's death to promote some issue or cause which they did not support or believe in.
Like when the Republicons used 9/11 victims to push for a war in Iraq.
And going to a military funeral- sounds to me like that is the RESPONSIBILITY of those in the chain of command. Such as the Commander in chief. Of course, Bush didnt go to any of the funerals. Clearly he did not believe that their safety and deaths were his responsibility.
Posted by: Aaron at October 30, 2009 02:14 PM (QOsAh)
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The media hyped this in our neck of the woods as something that an American President hasn't done in 18 (?) years. As if inviting the press to catalogue and then praise the Idiot in Chief for for a photo op is an achievment for "The One" (oh wait, that is what passes for achievement with this wanna be).
Posted by: Penny at October 30, 2009 02:24 PM (5sGLG)
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President Obama's visit was meant to salvage his reputation.
AHAHAHAHHHAH! Yes! Obama's reputation is ruined! No one likes him because he persecuted two wars with criminal incompetence and that's why his approval rating with every polling firm is like between 20-30%.
Oh wait, that's not Obama, that's the last guy.
Your Dear Leader got how many troops killed in the Iraqi WMD snipe hunt? Yeah, Obama's the one that the military doesn't like, I'm sure.
Posted by: salvage at October 30, 2009 02:34 PM (DEOQe)
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salvage, if you
really want to know what the military thinks,
all you have to do is read.
This one, from the mother of one of those soldiers who gave their lives when Bush was in office would shame you...
if you had any shame:
I admire Pres Bush for understanding that some moments are so incredibly personal and private. I can state first hand that my son's flag draped casket coming of the plane was THE MOST emotional moment of my life. It was far harder than the funeral. In that moment the reality that there was no mistake and your child is truly dead hits you. You welcome them home and say goodbye in a moment. At his funeral although we were surrounded by 100s of people they allowed us our time to say final good bye to our son. His Military brothers and sisters honored him then also. Having someone like the President at either of these two event would have made it a circus. Pres. Bush understood that...and gave the family the privacy they need in that moment. He comforted them later privately when they were ready to meet with him.
Obama on the other hand obviously doesn't get that.... I question why he went to Dover. I question why the press was even notified. If this was truly to honor the fallen and comfort the family he could have made the middle of the night journey without fanfare. I hope he looked into the eyes of these families. I hope he listened to who these men were and how they lived their lives. I hope he sees those who serve as real people now...but I doubt it.
Go back to attacking the military, salvage. Feigning support is not something your kind does well.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 30, 2009 02:48 PM (gAi9Z)
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RayGun did it, it must be okay.
Posted by: GaynProud at October 30, 2009 03:21 PM (CWZnF)
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You can make all of the excuses you want, but the article nailed Bush as the sociopath and coward he is.
All of you "troop supporters" are engaged in the usual preferred pastime of wingnuts: Transferrence and projection.
You don't support them, deep down you hold them in utter contempt. And you are completely ignorant of this fact.
You seek to salve your putrid, rotted souls with fake "patriotism" and feel-good sloganeering in your idolatry of militarism and it's cannon-fodder. You worship the murderers and abhor the murdered.
Suck it, GOP. America (and it's armed forces) finally see through your lies, crimes and propaganda. Hope you enjoy electoral oblivion. It's so much less than you actually deserve for your evil deeds.
Posted by: Thom Jefferson at October 30, 2009 03:21 PM (+JUcs)
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Ya know what's sickening is listening to chickenhawks like Bob here, those who never bothered to serve in the military, try and speak to military and political issues. It's the cowards like Bob and the majority of the GOP, a club of men and women who stamp their feet about the troops but offer up no cogent argument why these brave young men and women are being sent overseas to die, be mutilated and to kill and mutilate others.
For you punks, this is all just a video game played out in real life where you get to put on your tri-corn hat and proclaim to the world how patriotic you are, without actually doing anything.
Obama is the Commander in Chief you sniveling fuckwit. As every good commander does, he's honoring those who have fallen in service to their country and at the orders of those is charge. As for the person who can't understand why Obama went, why the fuck don't you ask him and the families of the returning dead instead of making shit up, oh that's right, making shit up is what the war cheerleading pussies do, like Bob, the head cheerleader, where every death caused by an American soldier is the death of someone who deserved to die.
I'll give you credit for supporting the troops Bob when you can show me your DD 214, otherwise, you've just dipped even deeper into the cesspool that is the fatuous right wing vat of pig-ignorance and blind obedience to what war criminals Bush and Cheney ordered.
You'll get some respect when you can show some sympathy for the dead innocents our two never-ending wars have caused, when you show as much concern for the parents of a dead soldier, a soldier who was ordered to die by two draft-dodging assholes, as you do for the parents of a dead Iraqi child.
The idea that you think you can cleave the military to your disgusting political and social worldview is the reason you'll always be mocked, ridiculed and marginalized, just like your political party.
Fucking cowards.
Posted by: HumboldtBlue at October 30, 2009 03:59 PM (TK39f)
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Wow, CY. You struck a nerve. Just look at all the lib trolls cockroach scurrying around. Cockroaches, all of you.
Posted by: Barney at October 30, 2009 05:55 PM (JLPne)
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Reagan did the exact same thing as Obama, you drooling, knuckle dragging morons.
Posted by: Dave at October 30, 2009 06:17 PM (p4ynI)
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Oh, and by the way, salvage, your "arguments" would be much more impressive if you would improve your grammar and spelling. "Persecute" means torture. "Prosecute" means carry out. I suggest that you buy a hardcover copy of Webster's Collegiate Dictinary and keep it on your desk. Your uninformed tirades would be much better expressed, although not one whit more convincing.
Marianne Matthews
Posted by: Marianne Matthews at October 30, 2009 07:19 PM (VbbNx)
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Every time one of these brave Americans dies, "Progressives" get a 'tingling' up or down their legs.
Posted by: Brooks at October 30, 2009 08:15 PM (HLKeK)
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Air Force One, the movie starring Harrison Ford, Obama serf, was on here tonight. The film portrays the President as a valiant figure who defies terrorist fiends and saves the day, biff, bam pow. But toughness is out today, and sensitivity is in. Hence the trip to Dover. I don't like Obama or his character, but I feel for his problem in Afghanistan, since I have friends and family who have fought and worked there. The place demands a fifty year commitment for "victory" but his own masters in the left elite rich won't even tolerate 5 months from him.
Too, he must feel personally that many will die if he commits force. Yet he showed his weak but dominant political side by going there with photographers, expecting to enhance his image as a caring CIC.This was probably a reasonable calculation given his servile following. But I think he should have arrived alone and, perhaps, had the affair reported, but without showing the posed salute, which itself makes him look like a well dressed Ken doll. Obama had no respect until recently, so he doesn't know how to show it properly. Maybe he never will.
Posted by: mytralman at October 30, 2009 11:37 PM (26p91)
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When I saw the picture of Obama, straight backed, feigning solemnity while saluting, it looked so put on, so not in character. Then when I clicked through and read where he was and why it made perfect sense, but seemed even more pathetic. He may really want to be the commander in chief in this kind of serious, solemn way, but he just isn't yet. Not when we know he golfs and fund raises and wings off for the Olympic bid, yet can't find time to meet with his general, is decisive as hell on an immediate stimulus package and taking over health care, picking czars and tax cheats, but has to spend months pondering whether to send help to the troops already in Afghanistan, the war he campaigned on. The bow in Saudi Arabia was totally believable, but the salute in Dover - no.
Posted by: Jayne at October 30, 2009 11:58 PM (dwIL0)
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When George W. Bush was photographed in a flight suit after his flight to the now famous aircraft carrier, liberals went absolutely berserk. They went berserk because Bush looked authentic. He was a fighter pilot and knows how to wear the gear, how to walk in it, and how to behave in it. It looked like second skin on him and made all liberal pretense at military credibility look like, well, pretense. We all remember Michael Dukakis and the tank, no?
Which brings us to this pathetic incident. There are some things one simply does not do, such as invite yourself to someone else's funeral, or having been invited, bring along some of your closest friends in the national press (!?). If Obama was truly wanting to honor our fallen soldiers, if he was truly wanting to gain insight to help him make decisions, could this not have been done without the press? No, not for Obama, for no matter the topic, no matter the occasion, no matter the gravity of the situation, it's all about him; everything is all about him.
Thus we have a photo of Obama saluting. George W. Bush knows how to wear a flight suit. He knows how to salute. He knows that one honors military dead and their families privately, and absolutely and always without the salivating jackals of the media (how, pray tell, could one possibly be more intrusive on the privacy and feelings of these people?), and he knows that one never, ever uses our fallen soldiers and their families for propaganda and personal aggrandizement. Obama is no more believable in the role of commander in chief than Dukakis was as an M-1 commander. He's just not authentic, and no amount of posing can make him other than what he is: A craven, small time Chicago machine politician and thug who, in the embodiment of the Peter Principle, has risen far, far beyond his terribly limited competence.
Posted by: Mike McDaniel at October 31, 2009 12:24 AM (DJR56)
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"George W. Bush knows how to wear a flight suit."
Yep...complete with a vial of cocaine in one pocket, a bottle of Old Grandad bourbon in another, a get-out-of-duty-free letter from daddy's golf buddy in another and a rolled-up tube sock in his drawers to fill out the testicle-free crotch.
An event known forever as Operation Dress-Up.
Sad that real patriots died in Vietnam while this drunken fratboy was skipping out on his numerous bar tabs and flunking his flight physicals due to being a coke addict.
Posted by: Thom Jefferson at October 31, 2009 05:40 AM (+JUcs)
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"Sad that real patriots died in Vietnam while this drunken fratboy was skipping out on his numerous bar tabs and flunking his flight physicals due to being a coke addict."
Actually, it's been proven over and over that he completed his duty. The fact is that it's sad that real patriots died in Vietnam while sopping female body parts in Washington plotted to throw millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians to the wolves.
Sad that real patriots are dying in Afghanistan while the sopping female body part in chief outgolfs Bush and shoots hoops with his campaign contributors.
Posted by: TGC at October 31, 2009 06:12 AM (4FaPc)
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o/t
http://rumcrook.wordpress.com/2009/10/31/wake-up-america-obama-is-a-radical/
the list of radical guests to the white house including terrorist ayers is unbeleivable.
you are known by the company you keep. this president is a disgrace
Posted by: rumcrook® at October 31, 2009 08:18 AM (60WiD)
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Wow. You've got the O-bots Fired Up!, Bob. Ready To Go!
Posted by: Pablo at October 31, 2009 08:29 AM (yTndK)
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... Context, of course, is paramount.
Holy shit, how many dicks did you have suck to come up with such a gay,
nuanced response like that, Frenchy?
Posted by: NB at October 31, 2009 09:39 AM (nKJGA)
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"Supporting the troops mean providing sufficient facilities to help them re-adjust to life in the civilian world."
Yeah, I adjusted just fine, thanks.
Hey Libs, you know how many combat veterans read this blog? Quite a few. And you're braging about "Stones" for clicking a link. Libs know nothing about stones. Clicking a link? Really? Think about that for a second.
I might not agree with Cons on some issues, but there is no way that Libs will win an argument about who has genuine respect for the military.
This Liberal commenter perfectly expressed the Left's hatred of Conservative's respect for servicemen.
"...feel-good sloganeering in your idolatry of militarism and it's cannon-fodder. You worship the murderers..."
Here's a hint. If you're making an argument about how much you respect servicemen, you might not want to call us "baby-killers", "cannon-fodder", and "murderers". Durp. Beleive it or not, it actually weakens your argument.
I invite any jv liberals to square away your bretheren. This thread would be a good place to start policing your own.
Or silently consent.
Posted by: brando at October 31, 2009 09:44 AM (LjEkE)
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To those who have served, as have I and, I suspect, many others who post here, there is a clear distinction between honoring our military, living and dead, and posing for a photo as a political prop. We mention Presidents Reagan and Bush because they so clearly fall into the former category, and Democrats such as Bill Clinton--whose disdain for the military was and is legendary--John Kerry, who is among the most dishonorable men to have ever worn the uniform, and Barack Obama, whose only concern is for himself, fall into the latter.
It is, of course, nearly worthless to try to present facts to liberals, because all that matters to them is the favored narrative of the moment. But do recall, please, that President Bush served, voluntarily, as a fighter pilot, and the record is clear: he did volunteer for Vietnam duty but was turned down as the air war was winding down, the aircraft he flew was not a type being used in Vietnam and he did not have sufficient flight hours for immediate assignment--by the time he was able to transition into another aircraft, there would have been no need for his services in Vietnam.
The problem with this remains the fact that there is no excuse for involving the media in what is likely the most intensely private and poignant moment any human being can bear. President Bush understood this. He spent untold hours meeting privately with family members, visiting troops in the hospitals and war zones, and did not take the media along for self aggrandizing photo ops. In fact, the media was unaware of much of his service in this manner. When he surprised troops with visits, their response was overwhelming and heartfelt because they knew he cared for and believed in them. Contrast this with President Obama, who always brings along the media to photograph him, and who, on one famous occasion, had his advance people screen troops to place only those who voted for him in view of the camera, and who actually handed out digital cameras to the troops so that the media would dutifully record those hand picked troops shooting snapshots of him.
Who, after all, would even think about inviting the media to photograph someone else's funeral or the arrival of the coffin of their loved one? Not only is that impulse incredibly inappropriate, rude and insensitive, it speaks of a malignant narcissism that is dangerous, dangerous for us all.
Posted by: Mike McDaniel at October 31, 2009 10:21 AM (DJR56)
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Mike, I served. I doubt you did. You're a bloviating idiot. If you did serve you were on KP or some shit. You're telling me a real soldier wouldn't be honored by the president saluting his coffin whether there was a camera there or not? You moron. It would be an HONOR. And a lot of vets don't adjust well. Why do you think so many of us end up fucking homeless. There are things to complain about with Obama, there sure are. This is NOT one of them, you mindless idiots.
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2009 11:06 AM (p4ynI)
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We're forced to ask: if the 18th family had refused to have their son's casket photographed, would Obama have shown up at all?
What else would explain the red-eye timing of the trip?
Positively vampiric.
Posted by: ThomasD at October 31, 2009 12:04 PM (UK5R1)
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Wow, can't handle the truth from a real military vet so you delete my comment? How pathetic is that?
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2009 01:59 PM (p4ynI)
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It's called we have conversations like rational adults, Dave, without resorting to childish profanities to make up for a lack the vocabulary. Read the comments policy, and conduct yourself with dignity and respect.
Otherwise, yeah... I'll dump your comments.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2009 02:19 PM (WjpSC)
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Who among us can forget Obama cancelling his visit to the Landstuhl Military Hospital during his European celebrity tour in 2008 when informed he could not drag along campaign staff and members of the media? I forget, did he play basketball instead?
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 31, 2009 02:55 PM (3O5/e)
Posted by: Dave at October 31, 2009 03:31 PM (p4ynI)
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Dave, you really don't have the composure to express yourself without swearing?
You must have learned that in your high speed unit. When you became a
real veteran, as you put it.
Posted by: brando at October 31, 2009 06:10 PM (LjEkE)
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How many times did Obama say "I" during his photo op? How many times did Reagan? The answer to those questions says everything.
Posted by: Brad at October 31, 2009 07:52 PM (eEdXg)
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Coward. Gotcha.
No, you clearly don't got it, Dave. I'm a fairly foul mouthed sort (and I blame the Irish.) But Bob does not appreciate profanity on his blog, and having an understanding and respect for that, I've never had a comment deleted here. Which is mostly because I've never made one I know he'll delete for violating his standards of decorum.
You'll notice, Dave, that your inane insult remains. Maybe you could try your argument again, in terms that are appropriate on this blog. You can order McDonald's without getting tossed out, can't you, Dave? Try making an argument that way.
With hope,
A
Real Veteran
Posted by: Pablo at October 31, 2009 10:12 PM (yTndK)
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Oh Cornfed Manatee, it's cute that you think that one mother is the end all and be all of military opinion of Bush but I guess you didn't notice Bush's approval rating was in the toilet amongst the soldiers and their families as well.
That is a fact, by the way, Bush is the most hated President in American history and you voted for him, twice! That's all anyone needs to know about you.
So what reputation is it that Obama is trying to "salvage"? You don't actually say. You do know that he didn't start the Iraq invasion right?
Posted by: salvage at November 01, 2009 09:07 AM (DEOQe)
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salvage - You're just pretending to be srupid, right? You're not this way all the time are you?
Geez, 17 out of 18 isn't too bad is it?
Posted by: daleyrocks at November 01, 2009 09:52 AM (3O5/e)
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...I guess you didn't notice Bush's approval rating was in the toilet amongst the soldiers and their families as well.
Cite?
Posted by: Pablo at November 01, 2009 10:56 AM (yTndK)
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where ever O'dumbo appears, twelve guys in blue suits should show up and salute. You know, to show respect for him.
Posted by: jerome clam at November 01, 2009 02:41 PM (lB/5N)
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"So what reputation is it that Obama is trying to "salvage"?"
How about the image he's acquired playing golf, shooting hoops and other dithering activities while our soldiers die in Afghanistan? How many days has it been since Gen. McChrystal requested more troops?
Posted by: TGC at November 01, 2009 06:48 PM (4FaPc)
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Personally, I think that the photos of the flag draped caskets are appropriate and respectful. Bear in mind that there was a ban in place for 18 years that shielded the American people from the true cost of our wars.
It's also worthy of noting that photos aren't taken if the family of the deceased doesn't want their loved one's coffin to be photographed. In the past, as I understand it, these photos weren't allowed even if the families DID want it.
Really, this isn't a conservative vs. liberal issue. You're simply attempting to create a controversy, where none exists, for your own personal ideological agenda, in my opinion.
Furthermore, I consider it to be deplorable to make a political issue of what in reality was a respectful visit by our President to the place where the bodies of our fallen soldiers are returned to their families and to their country.
Shame on you.
Posted by: Dude at November 01, 2009 11:27 PM (byA+E)
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Thom-
I understand you are very angry. However, you are not succeeding in stating your opinions (which you have a right too) very well when you combine them with ad hominem attacks and vitriol. Instead, you create a caricature of yourself and others that hold your beliefs.
By using comments such as "You seek to salve your putrid, rotted souls with fake "patriotism" and feel-good sloganeering ...It's so much less than you actually deserve for your evil deeds."
you come across as a troll, one of the lowest inhabitants of the internet just above virus-coders and spammers.
Learn how to form a respectful opinion.
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The Class of the Liberal Elite
Über liberal Gore Vidal takes the disgusting practice of blaming the victim to the extreme, outrageously calling the 13-year-old rape victim that Roman Polanski drugged and brutalized, "
a hooker."
Quick, someone award him a Nobel Prize for Literature.
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Remeber that Imus used the same language and the MSM got rid of him. Will they do that to the Great Gore?
Posted by: David at October 30, 2009 11:15 AM (PpoBw)
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Either these people have absolutely no clue how bad they look when they do these things or the people they are trying to please are worse then they are. Of course, one famous business once said about the press something along the lines of, good, bad, whatever, just spell the name right.
This might simply be a way to stay in the press and have their names passed around. Perhaps it is our job to see that it doesn't get passed around, read, or watched? No t.v. here, I dropped the papers a bit before I dropped t.v., and I only read the bible, people like Chesterton, and well established classics up to a point. Gore who?
Posted by: Doom at October 30, 2009 11:43 AM (VB9Cw)
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That old man is truly disgusting. He's an arrogant old patrician who must feel profoundly cheated that this country never paid him his proper due; he's in a permanent state of lese majeste. There's a grave waiting for Gore Vidal and I think he should shuffle along into it as soon as possible.
Posted by: zhombre at October 30, 2009 04:16 PM (kLU+g)
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Is this self-description, irony or hypocrisy by Al Gore?
Apparently, in Al Gore's world, hookers cannot be crime victims. Fascinating. Assuming of course, that underage victim of Roman Polanski's drug fueled rape was a "hooker".
Posted by: Penfold at October 30, 2009 04:16 PM (lF2Kk)
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My bad, thought it read Al Gore, though is there any difference?
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October 29, 2009
Paranormal Taxivity
via Hot Air.
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i'm still not going to donate to the various Rino national committees, if all they are going to do is support the same worthless scum they are trying to foist off on us now....
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The Taxpayer Option: 1,990 Pages
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
A bill can only get this bloated when Congress isn't conscientious enough, or diligent enough, to craft concise and thoughtful legislation that accomplishes a specific task with a clear purpose and logical mechanisms for implementation and enforcement.
This is a trainwreck, authored by the lazy and incompetent, and should be aborted instead of the children the bill would require taxpayers to kill.
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Private insurers cannot compete with a competitor that can regulate, tax, and have citizens obligated for an operating loss. The government option is a deceitful plan to ultimately employ a single payer system like those bankrupting other countries. What should anger, and alarm, people is that a political party would use a devious method to implement its will knowing the majority of people would reject them if they were open about it.
This health plan is sold as a means to reduce the expense of medical care. That's a sham, as they are adding one trillion dollars of expense to cover twenty million uninsured people and transferring that expense onto the tax system for us to pay. Will one trillion dollars be enough? Financial gimmicks lowering projected expenses are loaded in all the proposed Democrat proposals. What government plan ever came in on or under budget? This country is bankrupt now, and this new "entitlement" will send it into the abyss. To pay this debt burden government must print money and pay with cheapened dollars. What happens when people find they have been cheated by their own government by reducing the value of their dollars? Politicians are not stupid, so is this administration intentionally doing this? The winners will be the spendthrifts and those that would rather not work hard and have nothing to lose. The losers will be those conscientious tax paying citizens that labored and saved. Forcibly taking from some to give to others is a sign of a decadent society.
Posted by: Rick at October 29, 2009 02:42 PM (FWmwx)
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Thank you Rick. I couldn't have said it any better!
Posted by: Bob at October 29, 2009 03:22 PM (hJyf6)
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Rush read some of the bills provisions and I could not understand any of it. The language is so convoluted that I am sure the politicians have no idea what they are voting for, and likely could care less. Parts indicate that single individuals can make law!
It seems clear that the intent is to force everyone on the government dole. The cost is going to be out of this world.
Posted by: David at October 29, 2009 05:28 PM (HCm3x)
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I wouldn't be too concerned. Most of the provisions don't kick in until 2013. By then the inevitable backlash will have created Republican majorities who can gut it like a Sea bass before it ever takes effect.
Posted by: Will Butler at October 29, 2009 07:44 PM (znAs1)
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Ghosts of Campaigns Past
Earlier this week I read and
commented upon Special Forces Major Jim Gant's proposal for winning the Afghan war,
One Tribe At a Time (PDF). Gan't proposla was based upon his highly successful engagement as the leader of a Special Forces A-team that won the confidence of and became regarded as part of a Pushtun tribe.
Gant's approach suggests using smaller teams of highly-trained and highly-supported soldiers and have them assimilate into Afghanistan's Pashtun tribes to combat the Taliban with minimal but immediate assistance, both monetary and military, as needed.
David Adams and Ann Marlowe reach a similar conclusion in the Wall Street Journal today, noting that more troops applied improperly actually seems to make attempts at providing security counterproductive:
We saw how this could work in the Tani district of Khost starting in 2007. By assisting an ANA company—with a platoon of American paratroopers, a civil affairs team from the U.S.-led Provincial Reconstruction Team, the local Afghan National Police, and a determined Afghan subgovernor named Badi Zaman Sabari—we secured the district despite its long border with Pakistan.
Raids by the paratroopers under the leadership of Lt. Col. Scott Custer were extremely rare because the team had such good relations with the tribes that they would generally turn over any suspect. These good tribal relations were strengthened further by meeting the communities' demands for a new paved road, five schools, and a spring water system that supplies 12,000 villagers.
Yet security has deteriorated in Khost, despite increases of U.S. troops in mid-2008. American strategy began to focus more on chasing the insurgents in the mountains instead of securing the towns and villages where most Khostis live.
The insurgents didn't stick around to get shot when they saw the American helicopters coming. But the villagers noticed when the roads weren't built on time and the commanders never visited.
It doesn't take much more more than a scan of the current headlines to know that the application of the current strategy is not working. We also have multiple sources with boots-on-the-ground experience suggesting what certainly sounds like the same approach to a much more intimate, smaller-scale engagement, with real-world results supporting their positions.
No doubt General McCrystal has his reasons for wanting 40,000 troops, just as Joe Biden has his own (quite daft) reasons for wanting to fight a drone war.
But generals and politicians have historically had problems correctly fighting the war in front of them, haunted by ghosts of campaigns past.
Let's hope our current commanders are capable of avoiding that trap.
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from a very old vet.screw all the strategy and tactics.kill all the poppies,and keep on killing them till nothing grows ,the offer food .no guns weapons or money.
Posted by: billie wagner at October 29, 2009 03:51 PM (BT/6v)
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SOCOM SCAR Update
The FN SCAR (Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle) that has been deployed in small numbers with U.S. Special Forces will finish an initial deployment in December.
Jane's is
reporting that a much larger follow-on order of 15,000 5.56 SCAR-L(ight) and 5,000 7.62 SCAR-H(eavy) modular rifles is expected to follow in 2010.
Jason Spradling of Remington addressed rumors about the 6.5 chambering listed for the much-anticipated Remington ACR (Adaptive Combat Rifle).
The Firearms Blog had assumed that the 6.5 cartridge would be the 6.5 Grendel, but an industry insider informed him that Remington was not developing a 6.5 Grendel variant, and someone else said that Remington may be developing their own 6.5 cartridge.
Jason confirmed with me via email yesterday that Remington was not actively working on a 6.5 Grnedel variant... or a 6.5 cartridge of their own.
"We have mentioned the 6.5 in our communications on the ACR simply because that platform is capable of handling the Grendel or something like it. At this point, there are no plans to chamber the ACR for the Grendel. However, that may change if we receive enough input from the marketplace to make it seem necessary."
The SCAR-L and ACR are destined for a collision course in the defense market as direct competitors as a replacement for the M-4 carbine. Both rifles are also going to be developed with semi-automatic variants for the civilian market. The SCAR-L and SCAR-H are currently priced north of $2,500 (sometimes far more).
Pricing for the ACR has not yet been released.
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I've seen the SCAR up close... BAAAAAADA$$ is the only way to describe it... The SF kids love it. The only issue I have with it is the name... Say it quickly and you sound like you are obscenely describing a bad wound...
"Whats that?"
"Oh that? Thats my F'n scar..."
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The Magpul Masada (predecessor to the ACR) was projected to cost around $1400 for a 16" carbine with magazines, according to the original Magpul press releases. (http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/masada_technote.pdf)
Posted by: Eric at October 29, 2009 11:21 AM (p7VhC)
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Interesting. Any word on an 6.8mm version of SCAR for SOCOM? Or is the whole 6.8 concept moribund?
Posted by: Brad at October 31, 2009 08:09 PM (eEdXg)
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Brad: There was some interest in a 6.8 SPC SCAR at some point (by the Marines, IIRC, and not SOCOM) and some prototypes were developed for testing. Haven't heard any more about it.
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The Generals Trap
Memeorandum is abuzz over
this article in the Washington
Post. It seems that a former Marine Captain with combat experience in Iraq who had joined the State Department in the Zabul province of Afghanistan resigned in September becuase of waht he viewed as a pointless war.
The official, Matthew Hoh, wrote in his letter of resignation:
"I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States' presence in Afghanistan,"' he wrote Sept. 10 in a four-page letter to the department's head of personnel. "I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end."
Mr. Hoh is far from being the only American with questions about how we are executing strategy in Afghanistan, and for that matter, in Pakistan. As Michael Yon has been warning for over a year, things in Afghanistan are not going as well as they have in Iraq. We're not winning. We may be losing. All that seems certain is that whatever we are doing now isn't working.
There are more opinions that I can cite on what people want us to do in Afghanistan.
There are know-nothing defeatists on the left that desire an American defeat as a mark against President Bush's legacy. Such a view is perverse, but not unexpected from those that became enslaved to a singular hatred over eight years that have turned them into little more than Gollum, trapped in what one fevered progressive blogger described as "one long, sustained scream."
Opposing them are those with more rational reasons for advocating for policies of withdrawal or various strategies that refocus on continuing the effort.
U.S. General Stanley McCrystal wants to commit a much larger American force of 40,000 to attack the Taliban in what some are referring to as the Afghan Surge, likening it to the military operation in Iraq that did much to bring the country to a relative level of stability and enabled U.S. forces to mostly withdraw to supporting roles.
Others such as Vice President Joe Biden, want to reduce the U.S. footprint within Afghanistan and snipe at Taliban and al Qaeda terrorists with Hellfire missiles fired from the ever-present Predator UAVs circling overhead in some area.
And of course, all of our engagement strategies hinge on collaborating with an Afghan government that means almost nothing outside of Kabul.
But there is no guarantee that either increasing our conventional ground forces nor reeling them back in and remotely targeted suspect foes will affect any sort of meaningful change in the remote regions of Afghanistan. The tribes have defeated and outlasted armies that have fought with much greater ferocity and less regard for human life for longer periods of time. The enemy knows that they do not have to defeat us in battle. They can simply afford to watch us burn ourselves out.
That is not to say that the war is unwinnable. We just need to take a fresh look at how the human terrain is different in Afghanistan, and rededicate ourselves to fighting the current war, and not fall into the ever-present generals trap of fighting the last war.
For all intents and purposes, the American war in Iraq is over, and we won. We deposed a dictator, foundered in a bloody insurgency and near civil war over a number of years, before alighting on a strategy that fit the war. Once those tactics were discovered and put into widespread use, the bulk of the insurgency collapsed or was coerced into giving up, leading us to a current state where American forces spend their time on base or in training roles, and the Iraqi government has become a more or less functional state. Terrorist attacks like the double vehicle bombings of several days ago still spread terror and mayhem, but no overtly longer threaten the stability of the state. There is now hope from politicians and generals of using the lessons learned in Iraq to fight the Afghan war.
But the commanders and politicians have learned the wrong lessons.
They focus on the strategy and tactics of military conflict and diplomacy between governments because that is how they are comfortable thinking. They seek to apply what they think they learned in Iraq, while forgetting how they learned.
They learned from "boots on the ground" who found out what worked by living with the population and learning that mastering the human terrain is far more important than building firebases.
One man who seems to understand the human terrain in Afghanistan better than most is U.S. Army Special Forces operator Major Jim Gant, who was deeply and personally embedded with his team in Mangwel, Konar Province.
Based upon his experiences in Afghanistan, Major Gant wrote about the concept of winning the war through tribal engagement in One Tribe at a Time (PDF).
Regular readers of Confederate Yankee know that I commented frequently about the conflict in Iraq during it's most trying times, but that I've been almost silent on Afghanistan. The reason is simple: I had few contacts there, and little understanding of the nature of the people or the conflict. I wasn't going to opine on a war that I simply don't understand in the slightest.
Thanks to One Tribe at a Time I have a far greater understanding of at least Major Gant's view of how to conduct the war. While I'm open to hear other opinions, his experience and the course he advocates sounds like an approach at least worth studying.
I have a suspicion that if we continue to listen to just the politicians and generals, we may once again stagger on with the wrong strategy, creating a war that we cannot win because our greatest adversary is ourselves.
(h/t Instapundit)
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Iraq abd Afghanistan are as opposite as you can possibly get. Iraq has had a centralized national government off and on since the days of Babylon.
Afghanistan on the other hand has had a loose confederation of tribes from the beginning of recorded history. Every invader from Alexander,
Genghis Khan, Tammerlane, the British, and most recently the Russians, have easily conquered the country and taken it's capitol. They then spend years stamping out little local brushfires until they become frustrated and exhausted with their lack of progress and leave.
If the U.S. wants to establish a centralized democratic society in this country, all the above factors must be taken into account.
Militarily defeating the forces on the ground will not, in the long run work.
I recall a similar situation as recently as WW II in Yugoslavia where it took the Germans 3 divisions of troops to conquer the country and 18 divisions to occupy it.
Utilizing the concept of working with the tribes and assisting in creating a confederation of tribes is probably the only solution which would eliminate the democratic one man one vote concept.
After a generation or two of this type of governing body it may be possible for the tribes and people of Afghanistan to move toward a more democratic society.
The U.S. dictating the requirement for these people to have an immediate democracy is foolish and doomed to fail. We must remember these people have never had any other form of government than a King or Chieftan for all of recorded history. Give them time.
Paul in Texas
Posted by: Paul at October 27, 2009 08:17 PM (rCmYM)
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Great post but very unrealistic. Afghanistan is the "graveyard of empires" and we have no business being there fighting an enemy who did nothing to us. The Taliban never attacked us, the Al Qaeda did and they've been gone for the last 7 and 1/2 years. We're now being seen as an empire propping up a corrupt government that steals elections and the President's brother is leader of one of Afghanistan's largest drug cartels producing poppies at pre-9/11 levels.
If you go back to some of Bin Laden's predictions of what we would do then and where we would be now, it would send chills down your spine.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 28, 2009 03:04 AM (bhNGz)
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And now we have this revelation out today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw
We need to pull the plug on this disaster before it's too late. Concentrate all our intelligence and special operations to the Pakistan border and continue relying on the predators that with all due respect to our troops, have been by far more effective.
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October 26, 2009
Senate On Verge of Health Care Plan That Will Dramatically Increase Number of Unemployed Low-Income Workers
Democrats in the Senate should call this precisely what it is—the
Screw The Poor Compromise:
Details of the legislation could change, but its broad outlines are becoming clear. Employers with more than 50 workers wouldn't be required to provide health insurance, but they would face fines of up to $750 per employee if even part of their work force received a government subsidy to buy health insurance, this person said. A bill passed by the Senate Finance Committee had a lower fine of up to $400 per employee.
The bill to be brought to the Senate floor would create a new public health-insurance plan, but would give states the choice of opting out of participating in it, a proposal that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada backed last week.
Translated into English, what this means is that employers will have to pay far more in payroll taxes, meaning they will have far less money to actually hire workers. Like always, it will be those employees on the lower end of the scale—typically minorities—that will be the most greatly affected by the change, and when I say "affected" I mean like Jody Foster was affected in The Accused.
Phillip Klein at The American Spectator notes the disaster in the making:
The major problem with this disastrous proposal should be obvious to anybody with an inkling of understanding of economics. If you make it more costly for businesses to higher lower-income workers, they won't hire as many. Simply put, if the federal government set out to create a program designed to increase the unemployment rate among the working poor, it would be hard to come up with anything better than this.
There is a reason Reagan warned that the scariest words in our language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help," and the health care proposals being offered by Democrats are a perfect example of the unintended consequences of massive, complicated bills that Congress votes upon without even making an attempt to understand them.
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The libtards have had enough with this "bipartisan" BS. They're going to go it alone - with perhaps a Snowe or two - and ram their multi-trillion dollar healthscare bill down our throats. It will happen quickly; probably using the nuclear option in the Senate, and will be hailed as the greatest advancement in the history of mankind by the greatest president in America's history.
It's a done deal, boys and girls....and it's just the beginning. There are LOTS of other very costly goodies waiting in the wings. We ain't seen nothin yet.
Posted by: Dell at October 26, 2009 03:41 PM (zXgmt)
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I disagree with you on one point in a major way. I think they know precisely what this portion of the bill will do, and most of the rest of it. We might not know, conservative members might not know, but Democrats know. It behooves them to have a lot of unemployed poor people. It is their trademark. Being able to legislate them is their most enjoyable moments.
My guess is that they have a legion of 'faithful' with enough legal knowledge to put these bills together in weeks or even days to their ends. They have very precise criteria under which they work and they offer a very exact idea of what these laws, codes, and such will do, probably in a general outline sheet, through charts, or some other simple manner of reporting (congress critters don't do calculus).
Posted by: Doom at October 26, 2009 07:16 PM (UYtz1)
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look at it this way:
which is cheaper? taking a standard $400 or $750 hit on each of my employees that would qualify for the subsidy, because not all of them do, and continuing to carry health care, or simply eliminating health care, and its administration costs from my bottom line, and only getting hit for the proportion that get me fined.
unless i'm missing something, it looks like eliminating health coverage is better for me in the long run. no price changes, no forms to fill out, etc..... its a brilliant move on their part to help companies to improve their efficiency.
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 27, 2009 10:07 AM (d1FhN)
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redc1c4,
I see your point, but you do understand that this will take people out of good plans and put them into a really bad plan, don't you? From the employers stand, sure, if money is the bottom line, at least until they have a lot of untreated sick people working for them, or sidelined. But a conscientious employer would have to see this for what it is. And understand this is another assurance that compliance will be all but mandated. Perhaps I am merely too old to get all this, of course.
It is a funnel from private to public insurance. Now, that might not effect you immediately as owner or high enough on the chain to still get private insurance. That is, until that business model is no longer supportable and you will end up with what your employees get by attrition. Still, a dollar is a dollar I suppose.
Posted by: Doom at October 28, 2009 02:50 AM (+iEAo)
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This Catch 22 In Proposed Health Bills Not Covered by Press:
Millions of families cannot afford to pay both forced health insurance and their home mortgage or rent and will have to pay Opt-Out Penalties, money that could have used for medical expenses. Many Americans stuck in this Catch 22 position will not be considered poor for federal assistance to pay their health insurance premium. Middle class home buyers may have to pay-Opt Penalties to reduce their annual expenses in order to qualify for a home mortgage. The collateral economic damage forced health insurance costs and Opt-Out Penalties will cause has not been address by either Congress or the press.
Posted by: Ross Wolf at October 28, 2009 12:50 PM (qEaMo)
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Ross Wolf makes a very cogent point, which means that it's sure to be ignored and/or glossed over by the Obama Media.
Posted by: Tully at October 28, 2009 02:36 PM (tUyDE)
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Groups That Forced Banks to Accept Sub-Prime Borrowers Now Protesting Banks for Expecting Sub-Prime Borrowers to Repay Their Loans
You've
got to be sickened by the gall of the SEIU, AFL-CIO, and Americans For Financial Reform.
In league with bullying liberal politicians in the House and Senate—and of course, their child sex slavery supporting allies at ACORN—these thugs forced banks to provide mortgages to people with bad credit by extorting them with empty charges of "racism." They are now screaming bloody murder that the banks are engaged in profiteering and preying on these same people.
Why?
For actually giving them the loans they extorted, and then having the temerity to expect these loans to be repaid. God forbid that they are treated like adults and expected to meet the financial obligations they made the decision to take on.
You can't fix stupid, apparently, but you sure as Hell can get them bused to a protest.
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I have been following and investing in some of the big banks over the last year. Banks like BAC and WFC were virtually mandated by the government to purchase mortgage houses like Country Wide to prevent massive default. Before that these were the most stable of financial institutions. The Feds clearly made BAC purchase Merrill. Then they turn around and begin accusing the bankers of bad management and forcing bad loans of these "poor" individuals. Something is going on here that smells.
Posted by: David at October 26, 2009 05:47 PM (HCm3x)
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David, that odor that you smell is the dying and rotting carcases of your "freedoms", "liberties", "capitalism" and the body of your "persuit of happiness," along with that of "taxation without representation." They all are suffering from cardiac arrest and terminal cancer - called Obama!!
SO SAD!!!!! My guess is that the masses of the great unwashed liberal/democrat voting block will be whining and complaining in 10 years, while the Socialist elite leaders eating caviar and lobster, feeling their pain will be watching the lib voting block from their Ivory/Ebony towers and promissing them that if they elect them for another 10 years that they will all be taken care of forever...............
Posted by: slimedog at October 26, 2009 08:36 PM (7cHOD)
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Wow, visiting a right wing website is like visiting a lunatic asylum. Its one crazy after another.
So let me get this straight: you think that poor people have a lot of political power and forced banks to give out loans to subprime borrowers.
And some banks were "forced" to buy other banks. How? Why? Why didnt we hear any of these banks complaining at the time???
Here on planet earth, our politics are dominated by rich and powerful interests. And banks and financial institutions are among the richest and most powerful. And you think that ACORN, which hires poor people for $10./hr is some unstoppable juggernaut?
The right clearly lives in a fantasy world of their own creation.
Posted by: Aaron at October 30, 2009 02:25 PM (QOsAh)
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Conservatives Top Liberals, Moderates as Top Ideological Group
So sayeth Gallup:
Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.
Let's keep those percentages in mind the next time we see a heavily-slanted poll that significantly under-samples Republicans and over-samples Democrats.
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It's a shame that a lot of 'em stayed home on Nov. 4, 2008.
BTW, don't confuse "conservative" with "Republican".
Posted by: Diogenes Online at October 26, 2009 10:00 AM (2MrBP)
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Remember though, the staff at the NYT generally considers itself to be moderate.
Posted by: kevin at October 26, 2009 10:45 AM (HjDx5)
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It is a shame, Diogenes, but not a surprise, as there was no conservative candidate for President running on a major party ticket that time. You had the choice between an ultra-liberal Chicago corrupt Democrat, and a slightly liberal Republican who had shown over the years that he had great disdain for the conservative wing of his party.
In football, sometimes when your team is mediocre, you basically toss out everyone and start fresh - it's painful for a couple of years, but if the right people are put in place, you're usually back winning long before you would have otherwise.
Unfortunately for the Republicans, they didn't do that this time, so we're pretty much resigned to a much longer period of mediocrity.
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Victicrat
Look closely, and you'll see James O'Keefe, the filmmaker who nailed ACORN for supporting child sex trafficking, wearing a pimp suit once again... and dancing.
Badly.
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Badly.
All the girlies say he's pretty fly for a white guy.
Posted by: Pablo at October 24, 2009 11:22 PM (yTndK)
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Whatchu talkin' bout?!?!? O'Keefe was gettin' DOWN!!!
These posers wouldn't last 30 seconds in Compton but the message was pretty catchy.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 25, 2009 05:41 PM (OX5qU)
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These posers wouldn't last 30 seconds in Compton but the message was pretty catchy.
Why's that, Lippy? Is there something about Compton you'd like to tell us?
Posted by: Pablo at October 25, 2009 06:38 PM (yTndK)
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Okeefe is a great dancer, what a unique kinda guy. Wonder why Letterman hasn't booked him and Hannah. Who were the posers?
Posted by: Jayne at October 25, 2009 11:31 PM (dwIL0)
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Not at all Pablo. You should visit there yourself. You'll love it!
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Obama: Let's Wreck This Economy For The Fictional One I Support
"From China to India, from Japan to Germany, nations everywhere are racing to develop new ways to produce and use energy," he said. "The nation that wins this competition will be the nation that leads the global economy. I am convinced of that. And I want America to be that nation."
A reasonably bright teenager can tell you that a country that powers itself exclusvely by "clean energy" simply for the sake of being green puts itself at a severe disadvantage against those economies that go with a with a less-restrictive approach that leverages existing technology. It is common sense.
Sadly, you can guess which small-minded ideologue has very little of that.
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I understand that you believe global warming is a hoax. Obama, and the scientific consensus he bases his belief upon, understand global warming is a reality.
So he's not suggesting the country and world go green for the sake of being green, he sees it as an essential and inevitable thing, in which case the nation that wins that technology race will indeed be the leader of the new economy.
It's like switching from wax to oil to electricity for lighting your home. Not everyone was on board, but it was reality. The USA sold the world a lot of goods based upon that reality.
And that doesn't even begin to address the dishonesty of your claim that Obama wants "exclusively" green energy, while ignoring existing technology.
If you have to ignore and distort to make a point, you might not be on to something good.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 04:33 PM (/TDLA)
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Jim, we don't believe global warming is a hoax, we believe MAN MADE global warming is a hoax.
During the life of Earth there were approximately 6 ice ages. Present global warming began 18,000 years ago as we started leaving the Pleistocene Ice Age. The theory that man-made pollution and/or CO2 are responsible for global warming is not supported by fact and there is no scientific proof.
Damaging the economy in an attempt to solve a problem, that is only a theory, is core stupidity.
Posted by: Rick at October 24, 2009 05:20 PM (FWmwx)
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The problem Rich is that the people who do this stuff for a living do not agree with you.
Think for a bit about how exactly scientists from around the world could possibly go about coordinating a hoax like this, and then ask why in the world they would do so, you'll end up with quite an impossible story.
Ignoring problems does not make them go away.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 05:49 PM (/TDLA)
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Jim, you evidently do not follow this too much. Many scientists agree that man made global warming is a hoax. I suggest you study this issue more and report back with your findings.
Posted by: Rick at October 24, 2009 05:52 PM (FWmwx)
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Right back at you Rick. I'd suggest you read up on what the guys who work for unbiased places like NASA, ESA, NCAR etc say rather than taking the word of guys who are either being paid by oil and coal companies, or, who have degrees in science but do not work in the field.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 06:04 PM (/TDLA)
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BTW, you could just as easily be arguing against evolution with your response to me, and you'd be just as correct. Thanks for being civil about it though.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 06:07 PM (/TDLA)
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Your refusal to research the matter, and using methods of the left to discredit others with different opinions, illustrates to me that I would be wasting time with further discussion.
Save yourself embarrassment by researching this matter more first by visiting www.globalwarmingheartland.org, then you can continue from there.
Hopefully CY will post some information for you.
A closed mind is a terrible waste.
Goodnight!
Posted by: Rick at October 24, 2009 06:22 PM (FWmwx)
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Um yeah, the link you gave is an industry site with financial connections to Exxon. You offer the right advice, now you just need to take it.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
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The problem Rich is that the people who do this stuff for a living do not agree with you.
The problem is, Jim, that people who do this for a living disagree with AGW (please try to the label correct) and know that the hypothesis is far from proven. Even more, much of the so-called proof for AGW has been refuted. Some, as the work from Hansen at NASA, has been shown to be literally scientific misconduct. See the recent refutation of the Mann Hockey Stick (and the scientific misconduct surrounding that part of the hoax) for greater understanding.
Even further, none of the nostrums promoted by Obama and his merry gang of crooks in DC will even reduce CO2 by anywhere near enough--according to their own computer models. It will, however, enrichen the government and their favored cronies.
Posted by: iconoclast at October 24, 2009 07:03 PM (RpES0)
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Links to the people who do this for a living who do not say there has been, and will be warming due to co2 in the atmosphere that was of human origin.
Not people in the field publishing critiques of this or that specific finding -- that's how science works -- but people in the field stating AGW(if it makes you happier) -- is a hoax.
I have no problem getting my gas from Exxon, I refuse to get my science from them, thanks.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 07:33 PM (/TDLA)
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History has proven that "scientific consensus" and "reality" frequently only tenuously correlated.
Real scientists (I am one) understand that man doesn't know squat about how this planet or universe really work.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 24, 2009 08:08 PM (jeb75)
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Please, scientific consensus certainly gets refined as time goes by but it's a joke to claim that's the same thing as the consensus being only tenuously correlated to reality. Newton didn't have a clue about Relativity, but he his theory of gravity was certainly correlated to reality.
I'd love to know what field you work in PA to have a better understanding of what you do for a living but think is based upon squat.
And again, there is a world of difference between saying "everything is not precisely understood" and claiming nothing is known, and claiming scientists and the government are engaged in some huge hoax.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 08:22 PM (/TDLA)
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Jim:
AGW is a hoax, period.
There is no actual, empirical, evidence to support the contention that man has contributed, in any meaningful sense, to warming, period.
The planet has not warmed since 1998 despite an increase in atmospheric carbon concentration over the past decade. (Which actually, demonstrably, trails temp increases, so unless you have an interesting quantum theory of AGW, then atmospheric carbon increases don't even have a correlative relationship to carbon increase let alone a causative one.)
The sun has been unusually quiet for quite some time and, lo and behold, the temperatue, on Earth, has actually gone down.
The temp increases on Earth were actually mirrored in other parts of the solar system. (So unless carbon production (which, again, trails temp increases) was affecting temps on Mars, that's another piece of actual, empirical, evidence that can be cited against AGW.)
Most importantly, the single most important piece of evidence supporting AGW has recently been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked by the actual scientists you seem to think support the theory. (That would be the Hockey Stick (that you no longer hear anything about because a. temps have dropped off in the past decade and b. because it's a bald-faced lie built on skewed, cherry-picked, data.)
I could go on and on and on and on about how much of a fraud this 'theory' is but why bother, right? No matter hwo much actual evidence is presented to people like you, your little cult will not go quietly into the long, dark, night to join the global cooling 'scare' of the 70s and, upon a time, Malthusian-esque, pseudo-scientific 'theories' of over-population, eugenics, and every other nonsense-based 'science' that leftists have a long, bloody, history has supported in direct opposition to readily-available, factual, knowledge. What will be fun for yo, however, is when the edifice finally does come crashing down completely (and it will like all of its idiotic forebears) you can go around pretending you 'knew all along' that it was a hoax and that only the crazies believed such nonsense in the first place. (No doubt those "crazies" characterized as the very people that opposed it in the first place, as is typical for the Left when they want to bury historically-inconvenient facts that they cheered on as millions of their fellow man were murdered or had their standards of living obliterated.)
Posted by: ECM at October 24, 2009 08:38 PM (q3V+C)
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"My little cult" just happens to include the folks who do this stuff for a living. Not a bad group to be in, whereas your little cult is made up of oil and coal companies, the folks who argued for decades that cigs were safe, and creationists.
I'll take my "cult" over yours any day.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 08:42 PM (/TDLA)
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The scientific consensus in the middle ages was that the earth was flat, in the 1880's the consensus amongst physicists was that they understood 90% of all physics. Neither consensus was right was it? Folks who cite consensus do so because they don't wish to debate or discuss. "Scientists" who do not release their raw data along with their means and methods are NOT participating in science.
The amount of feedback (that means money) for issuing science-ish papers promoting AGW dwarfs that for skeptic papers by roughly a couple orders of magnitude. While there is some evidence that CO2 will slightly offset the average surface temperature (by a few TENTHS), there is no evidence of human caused catastrophic warming. None.
Posted by: RicardoVerde at October 24, 2009 08:52 PM (PBTsv)
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There was no science as we know it in the middle ages, at least not in Europe. What that has to do with the meaning of consensus today is zip.
As for 1880s Physics, like I said, yes they didn't know anything about relativity, but guess what, 99% of reality is predicted just fine using the Newtonian equations. So yeah they were wrong, and yeah they did understand 90% of physics. I would not recommend you jump off a building because the "wrong" physics say you'll fall.
I don't know why you think the money in science is made by defending the status quo, as your 1880s example points out, the fame and money come from demonstrating something new. The fact that global warming denial proponents can't or won't publish in refereed journals isn't about money, it's because their claims don't stand up to professional scrutiny.
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I've
had my say on the
myth of manmade global warming. There is no credible peer-reviewed science to support it, and the cult is collapsing a little more each day as real data contradicts the politicized junk science, and flawed--perhaps purposefully skewed--"research" is rejected.
Like the previous attempt at doomsaying in the 1970s, it is based upon an unhealthy amount of ego, self-importance, opportunism, a quest for power, and fraud.
Not rational facts.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 24, 2009 09:33 PM (WjpSC)
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The papers you point to in your previous posts aren't from peer reviewed science journals.
You have that part completely backwards, the peer reviewed work supports man made global warming, while the deniers post on their own websites and sell books to folks like yourself.
So are you really a believer in peer reviewed science, or do you just like the sound of it while ignoring the conclusions found in peer reviewed journals? Sadly it looks like the latter.
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 09:42 PM (/TDLA)
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I'm sure you guys have already seen this, I mean you are exceptionally well read on the topic of climate change, but here's what scientists are telling Congress about man made warming:
UCAR Joins Scientific Organizations Signing Letter to Senate on Climate Change
October 21, 2009
BOULDER—As the U.S. Senate considers climate change legislation, 18 leading scientific organizations have sent a letter to members of the senate reaffirming the scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and that greenhouse gases from human activities are the primary driver.
Richard Anthes, president of the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, added his signature to the letter on behalf of UCAR, a nonprofit organization governed by 75 member universities granting Ph.D.s in atmospheric and related Earth system sciences.
Sent to all senators on October 21, the letter states in part:
Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver. These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science. Moreover, there is strong evidence that ongoing climate change will have broad impacts on society, including the global economy and on the environment.
In the United States, these impacts could include sea level rise for coastal states, greater chances of extreme weather, regional water shortages and floods, and wildfires, the letter said. The organizations noted that a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions will be necessary to avoid such serious impacts and warned that adaptation will be required to address impacts that are already unavoidable. Adaptation methods include improved infrastructure design, sustainable water management initiatives, modified agricultural practices, and improved responses to incidents of hazardous weather.
In June 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed its version of a climate change bill. The U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, the first of several Senate committees to do so, is expected to begin consideration of climate change legislation later this month.
A PDF of the full letter sent to the Senate is available for download via the website of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
Signatories on the letter include:
Richard Anthes
Richard Anthes (©UCAR, photo by Carlye Calvin.) News media terms of use*
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Meteorological Society
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Botanical Society of America
Crop Science Society of America
Ecological Society of America
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/senateletter.jsp
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 10:14 PM (/TDLA)
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So Jim, does it bother you that Mann's graph (replicated in much of the literature, sometimes without citation, and also used in Mr. Gore's film) relies on roughly ten trees to produce the drastic upward trend when nearby trees showed no upward trend? And of that set if one removes one specific tree and you use the remaining data there is only a slight upward trend. Doesn't it bother you just a little bit that so much politics is based upon that one tree?
Posted by: RicardoVerde at October 24, 2009 10:28 PM (PBTsv)
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No it doesn't bother me, because -- again -- the people who know this stuff backwards and forwards aren't basing their conclusions on one graph. This isn't about Al Gore's understanding of the data, it's about the guys in my previous posts understanding of the data.
Does is bother you that several independent examinations and reconstructions of the climate of the past 1000 years supports Mann's conclusions?
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 10:44 PM (/TDLA)
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People: Jim is this sites designated AGW shill.
Jim will respond to every comment with the same drivel until everyone else stops posting.
Posted by: davod at October 25, 2009 01:04 AM (GUZAT)
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Jim,
Just curious, what level of collage math did you have? Calc based physics? Thermo, fluids? Astrophysics, geology?
Just curious because as far as I can tell,you are just better at American English comp than I.
Posted by: Druid at October 25, 2009 02:59 AM (Gct7d)
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Jim - What is the ideal temperature for the earth? Since you are so concerned about warming you obviously must have a temperature target in mind.
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 25, 2009 01:55 PM (3O5/e)
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Jim,
NASA unbiased? Get real. They will do and say anything that the government tells them. If you don't believe what is being said to refute you just look at the cap and trade bill. It is a tax. That is all. Now tell me how a tax is going to save the earth. How are any of the so called green measures going to impact temperature change? The fact is that they will do nothing with a big N. If The Great One really was concerned about clean energy he would open up nuclear options. When the Dems do that I will know that they are serious about the issue. But I agree with everyone who has made a comment, this is a total hoax. On a global level it is obvious it is a political move for global government.
Posted by: David at October 25, 2009 05:35 PM (HCm3x)
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The specialist journals are loaded with catastrophists who referee the submissions as well as make their living off of grants to study the "frightening" phenomena. Of course they know which goose lays the golden egg and they aren't about to let competing science stop the lay. If the refs are being paid by one team then it doesn't mean much when they throw the other team out for technicalities, either real, or made up to suit the need. (Please excuse the abuse of metaphor; sometimes it just spills-out)
Posted by: RicardoVerde at October 25, 2009 06:46 PM (PBTsv)
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If NASA says and does anything they government tells them they would have had a completely different take on AGW during the 8 years of the Bush Admin. You're claim is ridiculous on it's face.
As for Cap and Trade, I guess one either can choose to believe in the power of incentives in the market or not.
I have no problem with nuclear power. The problem is the very strong NIMBY factor that nuclear plants suffer.
As for my personal choice for the Earth's temperature, I have to say it's a stupid question. That would be like me saying, daleyrocks, you're against Islamic terror, what is the ideal number of Muslims on the Earth?
I'm in favor of a climate where the US coasts don't suffer increased storm damage, where our farms and cities don't get too much, or too little rain and snow pack etc... A temperature range where we don't see millions of displaced people in Africa and Asia. And so forth.
In short, I like the climate as it is thanks, and do not look forward to the economic, political, and military costs of change.
Posted by: Jim at October 25, 2009 06:48 PM (/TDLA)
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And CY, you commented on AGW, but didn't try to defend your claim that Obama foolishly wants "exclusively green energy". A complete falsehood.
Here are the mans own words on the subject from his speech yesterday:
"-- making the best use of resources we have in abundance, everything from figuring out how to use the fossil fuels that inevitably we are going to be using for several decades, things like coal and oil and natural gas;
figuring out how we use those as cleanly and efficiently as possible; creating safe nuclear power; sustainable -- sustainably grown biofuels; and then the energy that we can harness from wind and the waves and the sun.
It is a transformation that will be made as swiftly and as carefully as possible, to ensure that we are doing what it takes to grow this economy in the short, medium, and long term. And I do believe that a consensus is growing to achieve exactly that."
Your strawman version of Obama's stance is indeed naive and misguided, but it has little if anything to do with his actual policy positions.
Posted by: Jim at October 25, 2009 07:19 PM (/TDLA)
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Jim,
Good comment. I still stand by NASA being a whore to the left or anyone else with money. But you showed your true colors when you indicated that you desire for us to transform the weather for your comfort. We will wreck what little economy that we have and throw us in a depression that will make the 30's look like a picnic. All so that you can keep the beaches like they are. How is that possible with the minimal change that could occur if every government did what the various treaties call for?
Climate change is part of being on this earth or any other planet. The fact is that most don't know if it will be hotter in 20 years or if we will be in an ice age. If man is truly making an impact, the only answer is to reduce the number of people. So if this is a passion of yours, consider that option and you will be knowing that your carbon unit will definitely be helping the environment.
Posted by: David at October 25, 2009 07:59 PM (HCm3x)
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David, come on, now NASA isn't a tool of the government, but a "whore to the left or anyone else with money", but strangely not the groups who have the most money, big business. Keep trying, it only gets better. lol
And, no, I didn't say I wanted to transform the weather for my personal comfort. I said I would prefer we kept the climate our industry, cities, farms, infrastructure and homes were built to exploit.
Last but not least, thanks for offering me the choice of suicide, very classy. Instead, I'd prefer to move our economy away from imported oil, and towards homegrown, sustainable and clean energy sources. Do exactly what Obama is calling for, and what CY mocks, have the USA be on the leading edge of the next set of 21st century technologies instead of anchored to 19th and 20th century thinking and fossil fuels.
Posted by: Jim at October 25, 2009 08:11 PM (/TDLA)
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Good morning Jim.
I do not propose to be that educated on AGW, however I do have quite a bit of commonsense. When AGW advocates propose risking our economy to solve a theory, and have no proof of what they propose would work anyway, then I become wary.
You disparage experts that refute AGW as having financial connections to Exxon and coal companies. I could as easy make the statement that proponents have connections to government employee union needs of maintaining subsidies for their bureaucracies to study the issue, along with their allies in big business that manufacture green energy equipment.
Will you at least admit it would be wise to have proof of AGW before risking our economy? Will you at least admit that if AGW is proven valid we should have proof we can do something about it? Will you at least admit we should evaluate the benefits versus the harm of global warming to see if it would make sense to even attempt the massive effort your side proposes?
Posted by: Rick at October 26, 2009 09:40 AM (FWmwx)
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From NASA:
The atmosphere is primarily composed of Nitrogen (N2, 78%), Oxygen (O2, 21%), and Argon (Ar, 1%). A myriad of other very influential components are also present which include the water (H2O, 0 - 7%), "greenhouse" gases or Ozone (O, 0 - 0.01%), and Carbon Dioxide (CO2, 0.01-0.1%).
I don't pretend to be either a scientist or a mathametician but if man is responsible for producing 3% of 0.1% of the atmosphere and plants take this carbon dioxide and convert it to oxygen, wouldn't it make more sense for governments around the globe to mandate that everyone simply plant a garden? More plants = less carbon dioxide and more food not mass produced. sounds like a win win to me!
Posted by: Bob at October 26, 2009 01:35 PM (hJyf6)
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NASA pulled a Piltdown. People still proudly quote a study that was falsified?
If you don't know what Piltdown was, I'll use another metaphor.
NASA pulled a Steven Glass.
Never heard of it? OK.
How 'bout, NASA pulled a Lancet?
Still buying that too?
hmmmm. Let's try NASA pulled a Beauchamp/Green Helmet/McBeth/Daily Mirror/Rick Duncan/Dan Rather.
Posted by: brando at October 26, 2009 04:44 PM (IPGju)
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Hugh Pickens sends in a Wall Street Journal report that Chinese banks will provide $1.5B to a consortium of Chinese and American companies to build a 600-megawatt wind farm in West Texas, using turbines made in China. The wind farm will be built on 36,000 acres, and will use 240 2.5-megawatt turbines, providing enough power to meet the electrical needs of around 150,000 American homes. The project will be the first instance of a Chinese manufacturer exporting wind turbines to the United States. China aims to be the front-runner in wind- and solar-power generation "The Obama administration is hoping a shift to renewable energy will inject new life into the US manufacturing base and provide high-paying jobs, making up for losses in other sectors. But while the US has poured money into renewable energy through tax credits and other subsidies, China has positioned itself to reap many of the benefits by ramping up its export machine."
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Windows 7 Installation Stories?
When we finally replaced our ancient Dell desktop in August we bought a box that came installed with Vista Home Premium and the promise of a free copy of Windows 7 OS when it came out in October.
Last night I ordered the version compatible with my system, and I'm expecting Windows 7 in the mail sometime next week. Online reviews I've read have mostly been encouraging, but I was wondering if any of you have installed Windows 7 over Vista and what your experiences were.
If you've made the upgrade tell us what you thought of it in the comments.
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The move from Vista to 7 Was trivially simple.
Posted by: Doug at October 24, 2009 10:04 AM (AH+8i)
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I haven't heard any horror stories yet, but as a general rule you're always better off doing a fresh install instead of an upgrade, if you can spare the time.
The good news is that Windows 7 isn't a radical shift internally from Vista, like Vista was from Windows XP. In fact, internally it identifies itself as Windows 6.1, where Vista was 6.0. So as long as all your hardware devices and applications are working correctly on the Vista install, there's a very good chance that they will upgrade seamlessly.
Posted by: Skip at October 24, 2009 10:38 AM (Ur3O5)
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Yes, the upgrade path is very simple. Microsoft designed it that way, because they want to enable its prime function:
As soon as you finish the install and connect to Microsoft to activate the install, a newly-designed virus is pushed onto your system. This is the first known bio-code virus. Anyone using the system, apparently through contact with the keyboard, will have their brains "downloaded" (sucked out) to Microsoft HQ.
The victims then begin to wander about with a shuffling gait, posting stories about how easy the install was and offering to provide technical support to ease the transition.
To avoid becoming a MicroZombie(R), it is imperative that you NOT upgrade to version 7.
It is possible that only using your keyboard while wearing condoms on your fingers MAY prevent this infestation, but that has not been confirmed as yet.
Posted by: Dubya Bee at October 24, 2009 10:42 AM (jZzVe)
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Windows 7 is better than Vista.
Posted by: Hotcoupons4u at October 24, 2009 11:15 AM (EbzMS)
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You will see very little difference between Vista and 7. Some fancier graphics and some operations are streamlined but there's not a huge difference. The upgrade should be seamless but I would still make sure you have a full backup if important files. Oh and make sure any app you have now that uses an online activation scheme (like Acrobat etc.) you deactivate it in Vista before you upgrade.
Posted by: DavidB at October 24, 2009 12:26 PM (AVJaH)
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Windows 7 is better than Vista.*
Could you set the bar any lower?
Posted by: Tully at October 24, 2009 01:42 PM (tUyDE)
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....BRAAAAAIIIIINNNNSSSSS....
Posted by: MunDane at October 24, 2009 02:49 PM (dlS06)
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I got one of the student download copies that came as a .exe that would not install. Instead of waiting another week for my disc I had to turn the install pack into an .iso and format a flash drive to install it. Otherwise it was a breeze to install reinstall all my programs.
So far I like the new taskbar and the sticky note function has been usefull.
Posted by: tal at October 24, 2009 06:48 PM (8cjjR)
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I'm still running Windows 2000 on the box I'm typing on and NT4 on some other file server machines. They work fine and do everything I ask of them.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 24, 2009 08:11 PM (jeb75)
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A friend of mine has been a beta tester for W-7 for the past few months and has very good things to say about it. For those who are silly-stupid fans of XP, W-7 has "virtual XP" that is kind of cool. It also has "virtual vista" but what's the point, it's because of Vista that MS was forced to expedite W-7 anyways but the option is there.
The whole Beta testing campaign for W-7 is really appealing because a lot of regular users and nerds were given W-7 first to iron out bugs ahead of time to roll out a optimal system. I'm looking forward to it but as usual, I'll wait to make sure before purchasing as I did with Vista. This is why I'm still using XP. Good luck with it but I think you'll be better off than with Vista.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 25, 2009 05:30 PM (OX5qU)
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I've been running the release candidate of windows 7 64 bit for several months now. first off- it's really stable, I had so many problems with Vista (32 bit) that I was always doing work arounds to get it to work. I had to trick vista into working, and windows 7 has worked flawlessly so far (not including the initial upsets with beta drivers not being available until recently). I actually was unhappy going back to XP on my work machine after using 7 for so long! It runs every program i've thrown at it and I've really liked it. I like it better than Vista and XP- I'd consider myself an advanced user. I am most impressed by the small day to day stuff (like MS paint is very much improved). I am a happy future buyer of 7 (once my RC runs out). Good job for once Microsoft!
Hope it helps Bob!
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About the Obama Thesis Hoax
When you were younger, your parents probably told you that "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is."
That bit of homespun wisdom should have been applied to a blog post that claimed tertiary knowledge of a Barack Obama college thesis lambasting both the free market system and the Constitution.
The authors claim a defense of satire now that the blog entry was disclosed as such, though that warning came far too late for those that managed to push the story to multiple web sites and even talk radio.
If people had carefully read the entry before promoting it, however, this paragraph offered a big red flag:
In the paper, in which only the first ten pages were given to the general media, Obama decries the plight of the poor: &qout;I see poverty in every place I walk. In Los Angeles and New York, the poor reach to me with bleary eyes and all I can do is sigh.&qout;
When the blog entry claimed that the first ten pages of the President's thesis was given to the general media and not one soul wrote or talked about it that should have sent up huge warning flares that something was wrong with this story.
That no one bothered to contact Joe Klein to see if the document reportedly released to him been, is an example of shoddy fact-checking.
Sadly, this gives the left wing blog Media Matters more than enough excuse to run a headline that begins "So desperate they'll believe anything—" and have some justification for doing so. Michael Ledeen was quick to post a column noting that he'd been duped by the thesis hoax, which was a responsible way to handle such a situation.
Now, if we can only get the same Media Matters partisans that gloated over this incident to develop or even borrow the integrity to admit they were duped by a lying ACORN Philadelphia employee, we can call it a good day.
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Obama said most of what is written in the bogus thesis.
I cannot get any links to take on this blog.
If I could get anything to take I could link to a radio recording of a debate where Obama said most of the Constition issues in the bogus thesis.
I leave it for others to find and post the details.
Posted by: davod at October 24, 2009 10:17 AM (GUZAT)
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It's remarkable that the Obama thesis remains confidental to this day.
Perhaps we can hire the people at Columbia responsible for keeping BO's papers under wraps and put them in charge of security at State and Defense.
Of course they are helped along by the fact that the MSM emphatically
does not want to know anything about Barry's past.
Posted by: Steve at October 24, 2009 10:57 AM (cDwBw)
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I'm afraid I was the primary cause of the problem. Ledeen made his post, taking the satire seriously. but no one seemed to have picked it up for two days. Until I did, on Friday. I didn't go to his source site until well after I posted comments about it at The American Thinker blog. That's where Rush picked it up. Not long after I made the post I began to have doubts about the story's veracity and was saying so in comments at AT, but by that time the damage was done. However, the climb downs and corrections made by Ledeen, Limbaugh and myself were relatively fast as compared to similar situations on the left and we needed no prompting much less pressure to do so. The full story of the mess I had a large part in making:
http://keohane.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-thesis-mess-involving-michael.html
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PS - Hours ago I posted a few comments to the Media Matters story, addressing some of their claims and providing some details - but the posts don't seem to have made it past review. Maybe I violated some ground rules...
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910230037
I did acknowledge right up front that I was indeed the vaunted right wing smear machine.
Posted by: Denis Keohane at October 25, 2009 01:39 AM (qa33R)
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"... this gives the left wing blog Media Matters more than enough excuse to run a headline that begins "So desperate they'll believe anything."
The right isn't the only group "desperate" enough to believe fabricated stories, not that the left will ever admit their own culpability. Love the irony that Rush got bamboozled by a lie after being the victim of one.
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October 23, 2009
Obama's War on the Media
Considering last night's failed attempt to censor Fox News, it wouldn't be irresponsible to wonder if the Obama White House had a direct hand in this
Media Matters memorandum dedicating resources to the destruction of the only significant dissident mainstream media outlet in the United States.
An official at a Democratic-leaning organization sends on a memo the group Media Matters is circulating today to progressive groups, calling Fox "a lethal 24/7 partisan political operation" and rallying a coalition of groups to join the White House assault on the network.
"The danger to progressive causes and the institution of journalism has become too significant to ignore," says the introduction to a memo by Media Matters founder David Brock. "At Media Matters, we believe it is of paramount importance that progressive leaders have the information necessary to understand exactly what Fox News has become. We hope this brief memorandum will assist you in reaching your own decision on how best to engage this threat."
A co-worker asked me to explain to him why the White House was targeting Fox.
Essentially, the White House views FOX as a gateway between the distributed network reporting being done by the blogosphere and the traditional media.
Fox amplified the charges against Van Jones, leading to his ouster from his White House appointment before other media even reported on the controversy. Fox also promoted the investigation of a pair of filmmakers that exposed a series of ACORN offices as being supportive of tax fraud for the purposes of child sex trafficking. The embarrassing string of videos—with more waiting in the wings that have yet to be broadcast—forced the Democrats in Congress and private donors alike to sever ties with the group, which was trained by the President himself and with which he maintains close ties. Likewise, Fox has helped to focus attention on other radicals in Obama's government with profiles of Administration officials and hangers-on that the President would prefer unreported.
Along with a handful of other responsible watchdog media, Fox News has been the conduit that led these scandals from the political blogosphere to the mainstream news, and the Obama Administration is attempting to retaliate against Fox News in the strongest possible way. The goal is to both stop Fox News from reporting stories damaging to a floundering Presidency, and to warn other news outlets that they will be targeted by Obama and his allies if they step out of line and report those news stories deemed detrimental to the President.
Leaking the Media Matters memo to the Politico was no accident. It is a carefully-calculated assault designed to terrorize journalists, pundits, newspapers and networks into silent obedience. The goal is to censor all speech against the Administration, by threatening retaliation against critics by the deep-pocketed activist groups that function as shock troops.
In their hearts, the President and his allies share the distaste of a free press which stains all would-be tyrants. They will push back hard against being exposed, and the plot to pummel Fox News into silence is only a small part of a Administration's larger plan to bully the media into submission.
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I have little doubt there is coordination between Dear Leader's politiboro and Media Matters. I wonder, though, who is controlling whom? Since MM is a George Soros front and I am pretty sure that Obama is a wholly owned and managed by Soros, I am not convinced that it isn't Media Matters that is controlling the White House.
Posted by: Steve Hamerdinger at October 23, 2009 01:50 PM (TaHHC)
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When I first looked at Ben Smith's piece, I thought "good on Politico's resident Obama apologist for exposing the sham." Then I scrolled down... and down, and down.
Ben Smith wasn't exposing the administrations nefarious supporters, he was promoting it.
The old joke about stopping to put on running shoes not to outrun the bear but to outrun your companion is interesting, and sometimes appropriate. Until one recognizes that the bear will inevitably be hungry again. I suspect that the some in the legacy media have recognized this, but they have too often sold their integrity that their colleagues will ignore their retarded epiphanous clarion calls.
Posted by: bains at October 23, 2009 11:13 PM (UoSU0)
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The famous quote; "I may disagree with what you say,but would defend to my death your right to say it" has been replaced with "I disagree with what you say,so shut up or I will destroy you and your family,friends and co-workers" by the 0bama mis-administration.
Is this the kind of change Americans voted for?
Will americans vote for it again?
Posted by: firefirefire at October 24, 2009 08:59 AM (tbYJ7)
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Or, as turns out to be the case, this was simply Fox making up a story.
http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/10/it-is-official-fox-fabricated-the-denied-access-story-.html
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 04:35 PM (/TDLA)
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This guy Jim isn't quoting a credible source. He is using a URL to a VERY leftist...leftister blog.
Then again, Jim is probably a disenchanted soon to be disenfranchised Obama voter.
Posted by: foxfire2009 at October 24, 2009 07:29 PM (JwFn7)
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For sure no one should believe anything they read on a blog, especially not one that has a political slant. Oh wait...
Posted by: Jim at October 24, 2009 08:31 PM (/TDLA)
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For sure no one should believe anything that Jim posts here; just sayin'
Posted by: emdfl at October 24, 2009 09:08 PM (i3Rsc)
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http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/10/it-is-official-fox-fabricated-the-denied-access-story-.html
Wrong. To their credit, the CBS Evening News reported it. Go to You Tube and search for "CBS News' Chip Reid on Fox News and the administration."
Larisa Alexandrovna is useless on her best day.
Posted by: Pablo at October 24, 2009 11:43 PM (yTndK)
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October 22, 2009
White House Tries to Ban Fox News From Press Pool
Honestly? I never thought they'd take it
this far.
Today the White House stepped up its attack on Fox News, announcing that the network would no longer be able to conduct interviews with officials as a member of the Press Pool. The Pool is a five-member group consisting of ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News and NBC organized by the White House Correspondents Association. Its membership is not subject to oversight by the government.
Before an interview with "Pay Czar" Kenneth Feinberg, the administration announced that Fox News would be banned from the press pool. This marks the first time in history that an administration had attempted to ban an entire network from the press pool.
I cannot recall any Administration in my lifetime so desperately intent on restricting and controlling the media's access to information. This is a blatant attempt at censorship by exclusion.
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I watch and read all the news I can to try and get a sensible feel for what's really going on.
Fox is the only one that seems to constantly look for meaningless trivia and make them look like the enemy rules! And they always say it with a smirk on their faces. Unreality t.v. at its worst - and I ain't no liberal or even a Democrat.
Fox is as close to the enemy as anyone.
Posted by: efrcd at October 23, 2009 12:20 AM (83ehI)
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Does noone seem to CARE what a violation of the First Amendment this is? Did not the President SWEAR to uphold the Constitution? I could SWEAR I saw and heard him say he would.
Posted by: DavidB at October 23, 2009 12:31 AM (BZlP7)
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What will it take to convince people that Obama is a Chavez type and a tyrant wannabe?
Posted by: RAH at October 23, 2009 07:05 AM (KJr9T)
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Why does this White House sound like something that stepped out of the history books of the USSR?
Countless socialistic countries have controlled the media for their own goals and aims, and when you control that source of information, you control what the people think.
IF efrcd is not a liberal or democrat (though he sure sounds like one) he then must be even further to the left than those two groups. However, by stating he is not, then it gives him (in his own viewpoint) the right to criticize Fox.
When you compromise freedom, you are heading to tyranny.
Posted by: DaveQ at October 23, 2009 08:16 AM (q67sz)
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Leftists/Democrats hate Fox News because it is the only true fair and balanced news outlet. They fail to seperate Fox's news outlet from their opinion parts. Funny that they don't do the same with CNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC & CNN.
I've complained about liberal bias in the media since the 70's. Now finally we have a true news outlet in Fox.
This episode is dramatically increasing the numbers of Fox viewers and I think that's great.
Posted by: Rick at October 23, 2009 08:29 AM (FWmwx)
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Obama's a wannabe Chavez.
Posted by: Steve at October 23, 2009 08:35 AM (uoYYt)
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"Fox is the only one that seems to constantly look for meaningless trivia"
Obviously, you don't watch TV or read newspapers. Either that, or reality doesn't intrude on your observations. Cable news (and network, especially including 60 Minutes and its ilk) are little more than trivia. The NYT, WaPo, AP, al-Reuters, and the rest are cesspools of unimportant nonsense and vitriol against non-leftists.
Posted by: Dr. Horrible at October 23, 2009 10:35 AM (XxxR5)
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Fact: The Constitution protects Freedom of the Press. Obama is now circumventing that provision, as he already has the injunction against govt. interfering with contracts. I don't care what side of the aisle you stand on, this is a precedent that cannot be allowed. Because the next time, it might be MSNBC - which, by the way, has already been caught making up stories in order to foment anti-conservative sentiment. But then, so has the NY Times, whose reporters finally admitted that they made up the story about John McCain having an affair with a lobbyist. Fox News is certainly as legitimate a news organization as those two.
Posted by: KSterling at October 23, 2009 11:17 AM (+86uO)
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When you know that by answering an opponents question or accusations with real answers will get you in trouble with the people, then you attack the questioner and attempt to delegitimize them. Personal attacks deflect attention from the accusations.
Posted by: Frances Dorsey at October 23, 2009 11:50 AM (0icBi)
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I can't think of any other way for a president to reward those that don't agree with him other than to go to "war" against them. It shows how really stupid these people are. If you really wanted to do something bad you would ignore them, by constantly bring them to center stage they achieve credence.
Now as to meaningless trivia, the times I have turned on the MSM they are constantly going on about Ms. Obama and her wardrobe. I am sorry but she looks like a fat pig and an opinionated one at that. Now that woman is meaningless. Unless you want to dig up the Chicago dirt she has.
Why doesn't Obama try and get us out of the worst depression we have seen and cut the government and taxes?
Posted by: David at October 23, 2009 12:00 PM (Lh/sO)
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"Why doesn't Obama try and get us out of the worst depression we have seen and cut the government and taxes?"
Because he doesn't want to.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 23, 2009 12:05 PM (ZJ/un)
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Yeah. I've got to say I've not seen anything like this in my life time either.
It really is unbelievable. It shows a posture of arrogance and supremacy.
The moves our government, and I'm not just citing this admin, but the majority of the whole mammoth monstrosity, has been making over the last year plus, is really worrying to me. It looks to me like fascism 101.
Posted by: Hal (GT) at October 23, 2009 12:15 PM (PTknI)
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CY,
I think you are missing the real issue (or, perhaps, goal) behind why the WH has ‘declared war’ on FNC. Consider what benefit this may give the WH, Congress, and Democrats in general.
I've seen some commentators analyze this ‘war with FNC’ that echo my thoughts. For example: Beck, Newt, and Morris have called the war a 'distraction' or 'sleight of hand'. It is a continuing strategy of this administration when 'something they want' is getting trashed. They put their focus on the 'next thing' (perpetual campaign mode). Obamacare has tanked and they need to get the spotlight off of the negotiations and/or negotiators. Therefore, they attack FNC and the media, as a whole, eats it up.
Notice how distracted FNC is now. Much of their reportage and commentary has been focused on this war with the WH. This 'ban' will only intensify FNCÂ’s focus on it and will leave the WH and Congress time to gerrymander their deals without any significant questions. FNC is the
ONLY TV 'news outlet' that is not solidly in the Obama camp.
Obama’s administration is “crisis to crisis management”. Everything they have ‘accomplished’ has been based on the premise of
‘this current issue is solved as long as the legislation that has been written gets passed NOW’... (whether the language is done, read, or even available to be read doesn’t matter) ... and in the very next breath...
Â’NOW we have to focus on this NEW CRISIS...Â’. If there isnÂ’t a 'new crisis' then they canÂ’t get anything they want done because sunlight and time are their enemies.
Now to agree with you
– Yes, banning FNC from the WH Press Pool is a big story with respect to the 1st Amendment's 'freedom of the press' component. The problem is 'news' outlets are now focusing on
THIS story
INSTEAD of Obamacare and the other future ill-conceived policies/legislation (such as Cap & Trade).
By all means devote
SOME of your time, energy, and bandwidth to this story but, please,
DO NOT drop the spotlight on the other catastrophes in progress!
Posted by: PhyCon at October 23, 2009 12:31 PM (4od5C)
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OK. So what can we do about this? Calling General Petraeus!! Is it time yet?
Posted by: Razorgirl at October 23, 2009 12:36 PM (gHNO5)
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This story is completely made up.
Posted by: Ray at October 23, 2009 07:43 PM (5m7x2)
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Obama: Republicans "Do What They're Told"
More of that famous Obama
post-partisanship:
"Democrats are an opinionated bunch. You know, the other side, they just kinda sometimes do what they're told. Democrats, y'all thinkin' for yourselves."
Yes, he said Democrats—the same group that demands lock-step conformity from the media and their own followers or else starts a war with them—are the party that thinks for themselves.
Wow.
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Bob I'm surprised you haven't covered H.R. 45.
Posted by: Scott at October 22, 2009 02:27 PM (mqy6N)
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Hey Scott,
I haven't discussed H.R. 45 because it is a dead issue. It doesn't have a single co-sponsor, and has gone off to committee to die.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 22, 2009 02:49 PM (gAi9Z)
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Republicans do what they're told?
Didn't he just win an election against someone who has been ignoring what republicans want him to do for 30 years?
Posted by: MAModerate at October 22, 2009 05:04 PM (Rn8uU)
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The funniest part is that he probably really believes that.
My cousin is a hard-core, Move-on loving, Bush hating, angry leftist and she's always accusing me of not thinking for myself.
Which makes me laugh, my family all get very angry at me because I don't take anybody's word for anything and never have.
If you tell me it's raining outside, I'm going to look out the window.
Posted by: Veeshir at October 22, 2009 05:55 PM (xeRif)
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And that smirk could stand a little smacking off his face.
Posted by: Pandora at October 22, 2009 06:34 PM (/8Bs3)
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Did the president of the United States actually just say "y'all thinkin' for yourselves?"
It just makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?
Posted by: Jamw96 at October 22, 2009 07:31 PM (0pO8i)
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Thank God I didn't have any diet coke in my mouth when I read that ..... I can't afford a new computer right now.
Posted by: BD57 at October 22, 2009 08:01 PM (9Xb80)
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The day this guy loses his cool in public will be the end.
Posted by: Neo at October 23, 2009 12:20 AM (tE8FB)
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At least he doesn't represent a demographic that votes Democrat 95% of the time no matter who is running. Oh, wait. My bad.
Posted by: Tim at October 23, 2009 09:03 AM (nc6/K)
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If They were thinking for Themselves, He would be still be worried about being re-elected to the Senate or an FBI probe of ACORN.
Posted by: Old Trooper at October 24, 2009 06:11 AM (oNzU6)
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@Jamw96:"Did the president of the United States actually just say "y'all thinkin' for yourselves?"
I guess as long as you can pronounce "nuclear," you're fine. LOL!
Posted by: DoorHold at October 25, 2009 12:16 PM (EeTHH)
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You know, this country hasnt been this divided since the 1850s. This could end up very ugly. Very ugly indeed.
Posted by: capt26thga at October 25, 2009 03:00 PM (kcPUO)
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October 21, 2009
Farrakhan Angling for Obama Cabinet Position
Nutty statements are a prerequisite,
right?
Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan told an audience in Memphis he believes the H1N1 flu vaccine was developed to kill people, a witness said.
Farrakhan, 76, spoke for nearly three hours Sunday at a gathering to observe the religious group's Holy Day of Atonement, which also marked the 14th anniversary of the Million Man March in Washington, the (Memphis) Commercial Appeal reported, citing a source who attended the speech.
"The Earth can't take 6.5 billion people. We just can't feed that many. So what are you going to do? Kill as many as you can. We have to develop a science that kills them and makes it look as though they died from some disease," Farrakhan said, adding that many wise people won't take the vaccine.
The medical research community hasn't exactly covered themselves in glory in the past, but asserting there is a widespread genocide being perpetrated under the public's already supicious eye is borderline insane by any measure.
Which I guess means he'll end up formulating the administration's economic policy...
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He wants to be a czar not a cabinet member. No confirmation hearing, no background check, more power, less responsibility.
Posted by: chris at October 21, 2009 07:54 PM (9/zSi)
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As far as I can tell the vaccine is as good as any flu shot with the same side effects. I have recommended that my 17 year old get the shot. I rarely get anything as most of my patients get a flu shot and come breath on me and insist on shaking hands. Thus the vaccine is passed on to me and my wife. But the swine flu seems to kill a number of adolescents with a rather vigorous pneumonia.
As to the reference study. That actually was a legitimate trial. It involved people with secondary and tertiary syphilis for which it was not known then and not well known now as to whether penicillin would effect a cure like it does with primary syphilis. The fault of the study is that the individuals did not know they were under observation. Thus the development of IRB's in all hospitals. These are ethics boards that monitor all studies. Some of these, like at LSU are corrupt in their on right. But for the most part they operate in a satisfactory manner for patient protection.
Posted by: David at October 22, 2009 11:23 AM (Lh/sO)
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It's Time to Question Democratic Party Involvement.
Remember the claims of ACORN officials that the string of sex-slavery sting operations perpetrated by a fake pimp and prostitute getting advice from ACORN on how to commit fraud were isolated incidents, and that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles were thrown out of ACORN offices in other cities such as Philadelphia?
Update: Updated with new link.
Alternative, but very slow (due to heavy traffic?) video link at HopeForAmerica.
Eh, not so much "thrown out" as "welcomed with open arms."
ACORN Philadelphia Office Director Katherine Conway-Russell flat-out lied on camera to the media. ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis continues to lie to the media, claiming that these incidents are isolated. The media repeated their claims unquestioningly.
Now that ACORN has been exposed—yet again—as lying about their willingness to support the creation of brothels for the purpose of juvenile prostitution, will the media outlets that repeated those falsehoods decide to re-report on the truth of this story? Will they issue corrections?
Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe have shown the unedited footage from every ACORN visit they've made, from Baltimore, Washington DC, New York, San Bernardino, San Diego, and the unedited video from Philadelphia will soon be released. Other videos from other ACORN sting operations are rumored to be lurking in the wings.
How much longer can supporters of this criminal enterprise continue to insist they are being unfairly maligned, when every single meeting that Giles and O'Keefe had with ACORN officials led to cooperation in the furthering of a plot to establish a facility for the explicit purpose of juvenile sex slavery?
ACORN is a cancerous product of the Democratic Party, and cannot be separated from it. It has been trained and given advice from the President of the United States himself. It is closely tied to the SEIU thugs that have attacked and intimidated American citizens. ACORN is a criminal enterprise that has been accused of countless acts of voter registration fraud, and which has been accused of stealing elections. It's officials have participated in embezzlement, fraud, intimidation, and cover-ups. As this latest sting video shows, ACORN is little better than the mafia, willing to accept even the most depraved criminal activity.
The Americans public must demand that independent prosecutors be appointed and given the resources necessary to thoroughly investigate ACORN, and yes, that is a serious problem for the Democratic party, both politically and perhaps criminally.
ACORN has invasive, perhaps inseverable ties to the very highest level of the Democratic establishment. If the Obama White House and Justice Department continue to refuse to investigate ACORN, then we will have little choice but to assume that they are guilty of collusion and racketeering themselves...
But then, there isn't much doubt, is there?
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Remember Nancy Pelosi's lies about the CIA? People were stating her lies will expose her for what she truly is and be destroyed. Media will let this slip by like they did for fellow leftist Nancy.
Posted by: Rick at October 21, 2009 10:26 AM (79jCL)
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Let's not forget the Working Families Party in New York, demon love-child of ACORN and the SEIU/unions, spawned in '98 to stop Pataki (fail) and bolster Hillary Clinton's Senate run (not fail). They have
their own scandal going on right now, having been caught red-handed in massive local ACORNish absentee-ballot fraud.
Posted by: Tully at October 21, 2009 11:04 AM (tUyDE)
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Wasn't Obama's "New Party" an ACORN/SEIU spin-off, as well?
Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 21, 2009 04:13 PM (ZJ/un)
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"unedited video from Philadelphia" -- you're kidding right?
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 22, 2009 03:11 AM (bhNGz)
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I think the ACORN Derangement Syndrome that maybe 794 people may actually care about seriously crashed and burned today with that pathetic display of desperation.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 22, 2009 03:26 AM (bhNGz)
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Here's what Fox News had to say about it this evening (video unedited and un-doctored):
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200910210046
Crash and burn indeed.
Posted by: Lipiwitz at October 22, 2009 03:27 AM (bhNGz)
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October 20, 2009
Hersh: Pentagon Out to Ruin Obama
From the always fascinating
Seymour Hersh:
"A lot of people in the Pentagon would like to see him [Obama] get into trouble," he said. By leaking information that the commanding officer in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, says the war would be lost without an additional 40,000 American troops, top brass have put Obama in a no-win situation, Hersh contended.
"If he gives them the extra troops they're asking for, he loses politically," Hersh said. "And if he doesn't give them the troops, he also loses politically."
The journalist criticized the president for "letting the military do that," and suggested the only way out was for Obama to stand up to them.
"He's either going to let the Pentagon run him or he has to run the Pentagon," Hersh said. If he doesn't, "this stuff is going to be the ruin of his presidency."
Funny. I thought Obama was doing a pretty good job of destroying his Presidency on his own.
As for Hersh, he's had some notable successes, and some equally spectacular duds. How are Dick Cheney's death squads working out for you, Seymour?
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Didn't Obama say the war in Afghanistan was the correct war? Or was that only a political lie to make it appear he also was for national security and Bush was just incompetent for starting the wrong war?
We can now truthfully say, "Obama lied men died."
As his hate America Pastor has said, "America's chickens are coming home to roost!."
Posted by: Rick at October 21, 2009 07:34 AM (79jCL)
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The only thing you can trust about what Hersh says is that it's intended to promote Hersh. It's not that he's dishonest, it's that he has only the barest familiarity with reality.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at October 21, 2009 09:40 AM (ZJ/un)
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Sy Hersh is still alive? Huh.
Posted by: Pablo at October 21, 2009 11:42 AM (yTndK)
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Um... "comes with the territory of the position of commander in chief"?
Seriously Barry... if you didn't want this responsibility, you shouldn't have applied for the job.
Posted by: HatlessHessian at October 21, 2009 12:07 PM (7r7wy)
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Hersh? That guy stays plastered.
Posted by: brando at October 21, 2009 04:31 PM (IPGju)
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Hersh? Hersh? I thought he invaded Iran along with Cheney's secret assassination squads. How does he manage to send copy back to the states?
Posted by: daleyrocks at October 21, 2009 05:10 PM (3O5/e)
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Hersh is a perennial self-loather that displaces his self hatred onto his nation. But that is too generous. To him, America is not his nation, it is the enemy. Once you understand that then you know who this gentleman really is and what he is about. Make no mistake, with his comrades running this country our days of liberty may be numbered.
Posted by: Ultraman at October 21, 2009 11:01 PM (PDt2C)
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