January 14, 2008
Prayers for "Big Country"
Long-time
CY commenter William "Big Country" Coughlin is recovering in the United States from wounds sustained in the Middle East theater of operations (most likely Iraq, but I cannot yet confirm that detail).
The wounds are not life-threatening but have him confined to a wheelchair since late December. He hopes to make a full recovery and return to duty in Iraq providing logistical support within five weeks.
If you will, say a prayer for him and other contractors killed or wounded in the line of duty while supporting our military.
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Aye, aye, cap'n. Prayers going up now.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 14, 2008 09:22 AM (F+vKR)
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Thanks Bob... it means a lot. I'll be around and give you a full intel dump offline tommorow... Thanks to everyone else as well and your good wishes are appreciated!
Posted by: Big Country at January 14, 2008 09:23 PM (SIzGZ)
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Big Country, my email--well, one of mine, at least--is available through my blog (click on my nickname under Contributors)... if you'd like to include me in part of the intel dump, I'll be sure to pass it along to like-minded prayer warriors.
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January 11, 2008
Is Mike Huckabee Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?
As an evangelical Christian, I've long been bothered by Mike Huckabee's attempts to use his Christianity as a "holier than thou" political weapon against other candidates for President, even as he has lied about everything from his support of scholarships for illegal aliens (he
wanted them), to his desire to raise taxes(he
asked for them), to claims he has a theology degree (he
didn't complete it).
This lack of honesty we generally associate with a previous Man From Hope has also been compounded by Huckabee's legendary problems with his temper, which have occasionally led to juvenile personal attacks (PDF) against his critics.
Huckabee exposed his childish side again this morning in a scatalogical reference directed at Fred Thompson. Thompson had ripped Huckabee's big government liberal tendencies during last night's Republican debate in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
This morning in an interview with Joe Scarborough, Huckabee snapped:
Well, I think Fred needs some Metamucil. I think it would help a lot if he gets some.
Mike Huckabee, who almost has a theology degree, may be smarter than a fifth grader, but betrays yet again that he could only hope to be that mature.
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Huckabee is nothing more than a poseur with (almost) a theology degree who is MORE liberal and facetious than Bill Clinton in a Republican suit. Evangelicals and Republicans had better pray Huckabee is not the nominee.
He would be a good televangelist with his quick middle school wit. He likes to say "you know you're over the target when you're getting flak". I say it's time to shoot the sanctimonious RINO down once and for all.
Posted by: martin at January 11, 2008 05:29 PM (LS8NJ)
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I am agnostic, and Mike Huckabee percular brand of religion bothers me. No matter what Huckabee does he claims to have a religious basis for it In that regards Muckabee reminds me a lot of the Reverends Jackson and Sharpton.
Posted by: DavidL at January 11, 2008 06:58 PM (hFrwp)
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David... nice name, btw, I've worn it myself for over 40 years.
Anyway, I am an evangelical Christian... you know, the people that are all supposed to be falling prostrate at the feet of the Huckster... and if it comes down to Huck vs. Hill, I have vowed to write in "Charlie Brown" rather than vote for either one.
I guess my point is, not all evangelicals approve of the Huckster.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 07:36 PM (F+vKR)
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Heh! Nice one CY.
Huckster makes my skin crawl...and as a Christian, I might add that Hucky-baby got his "blessed assurance" handed to him by the conservatives in the Southern Baptist Convention for his liberal--repeat--liberal beliefs--so he left, along with a lot of other liberals.
It doesn't matter what he calls himself...he still cannot change the truth. He's a liberal, tax-raising, arrogant politician. And while I know most of them are that very things--I have a special aversion to those who hide behind the Cross to get votes. DISGUSTING.
Wolves in sheep's clothing, baby...wolves in sheep's clothing.
Posted by: WB at January 11, 2008 07:57 PM (pT0Zd)
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 10:43 PM (F+vKR)
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I am a Catholic... and I view Huck as the Republican Jimmy Carter.
Without the endearing qualities.
It says something about how alienated the Believing Community feels itself to be from the Republican Party as a whole, that they would support Huck. It's also worth noting that the same could be said for small-government Libertarians and their support for Texas' own answer to Dr. Evil.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 12, 2008 12:33 AM (q6tuN)
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I was almost chosen as the Pope.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 12, 2008 07:29 AM (ERV3B)
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You're unbelievable. Huckabee is the man and I'm going to laugh at all of you when he gets the nomination and wins the WH! Quit with all your snide comments and look at what he really says.
Posted by: tennismama at January 12, 2008 07:41 AM (9k3jz)
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tennismama, of the first four links, two are video of Huckabee saying precisely what he's accused of saying, and another is a letter typed be his own hand. The fifth link is direct, from a transcript (I can get video for you as well, if you'd like).
We have listened to "what he really says," and we've looked at his record.
Mike Huckabee is a liberal. I'm sorry if you can't grasp that.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 12, 2008 08:59 AM (HcgFD)
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Huckapoo-poo I say! The guy is cut from the same sleazy, slick cloth as the other guy from Hope....I'm a conservative Republican Christian and no way does he get my vote! Huckapoo-poo is just a flash & will not win another primary! Rest easy!
Posted by: Val at January 12, 2008 09:19 AM (7NM6T)
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Huckabee whines about getting the "religion" questions, but it is HE who invited such scrutiny by campaigning as the "Christian" candidate.
What is most distressing to me as an evangelical Christian is the defense of Huckabee by my EC friends who simply refuse to look at Huckabee's liberal RECORD, but instead are mesmerized by the siren song of his "Jesus talk".
I'm from Louisiana, one of the most evangelical conservative states in the south. Yet we're 1rst in convictions of our elected officials. Our politicians are masters at appearing in churches and pandering to Christian voters, all the while rolling the dice that these same voters won't take the time to check the candidate's RECORD against their RHETORIC. Such deception works in LA because voters allow themselves to be deceived. It occurs every election cycle here, and it is happening on the national stage with Huckabee.
I am not implying that Huckabee is dishonest or a criminal. But he talks a conservative talk, and walks (and votes) the liberal walk.
I just wish EC America would carefully examine Huckabee's record, which is patently liberal on every single issue except abortion.
EC America needs to wake up, check the full record, and realize that we aren't electing Jesus.
Posted by: ES at January 12, 2008 09:44 AM (eLMdy)
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Lets be honest. All of these GOP candidates have their share of liberal ideas and have supported left wing positions at some point. Of course the most conservative being Alan Keyes who gets no mention anywhere. We must stop blinding ourselves with some belief that we must have thoroughbred conservatives. None exist. Even the Great Ronald Reagan signed Amnesty.
I will take ANY of these Republican candidates over Hillary -Obama-Edwards. And do so with great enthusiasm.
Another large Dem victory not only brings in a Dem President but could very easily bring about a Super Dem Majority in Senate and a greater Majority in the House. Harry Reid with 60 Votes is unacceptable. GOP would be all but extinct at that point.
Posted by: Dennis D at January 12, 2008 09:48 AM (780G9)
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Issues aside, how is the Metamucil crack funny? Or rather, explain to me the basis of the alleged joke, whether you think it is funny or not, whether or not you think it was in bad taste or not. It just goes over my head and leaves me confused.
It's like Huckabee said Fred should wear a hat, or paint his house yellow, or get a dalmatian. I don't understand the reference.
Posted by: Aplomb at January 12, 2008 06:11 PM (+/na4)
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The problem with your scenario, Dennis, is that with the Huckster, we're basically getting Obama or Hillary with an R after his name instead of a D. Their policy proposals, with but one or two exceptions, are essentially carbon copies of one another.
Aplomb, the Huckster was trying to insinuate that Fred is constipated. Fifth-grade humor seems a bit generous, third-grade is more like it.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 12, 2008 06:57 PM (F+vKR)
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I wouldn't vote for Huckabee if he nominated ME as his running mate... and I know of no one that will vote for him either. In primary OR general.
Posted by: Verlin Martin at January 12, 2008 09:03 PM (QJoz4)
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There is a little bit (some like Huckabee, a lot) of liberalism in all the Republican candidates. [Unfortunately, Bush and his compassionate conservatism is largely to blame because he won on that platform] That said, I believe that Fred is the most conservative of the bunch.
Posted by: czekmark at January 12, 2008 10:10 PM (5Jrbj)
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Mr. Huckabee seems to manifest the slippery ethics of another Arkansan while playing a game of identity politics.
I happen to be a Baptist. Baptists have no Pope to enforce ideological purity, so we have a set of "distinctives" that you either agree with or not. If you fail to agree with them, you are really engaging in false advertising. One of those Baptist distinctives is "Separation of Church And State." Maybe you've heard of Roger Williams and Rhode Island, or that letter from the Danbury Baptists to Mr. Thomas Jefferson.
For Mr. Huckabee to say, "vote for me because I'm Christian," and then target his appeal to Evangelical pastors does violence to my notion of the separation of Church and State. (Granted, the Founders were more concerned to protect the Church from the State than politicians are today. But everyone who isn't an Evangelical has that same notion. Thus, Mr. Huckabee polls in the teens among non-evangelicals.) By engaging in faith-based identity politics, Mr. Huckabee is engaging in un-Baptist behavior.
Evangelicals will not bring in the Kingdom of Heaven by seizing the reins of Leviathan. If Evangelicals give government the power to do so, it will corrupt us and serve the ends of Antichrist. Mr. Reagan was a good fit for Evangelicals, because he said government IS the problem. If you're worried about the Antichrist, you're worried about big government. Mr. Huckabee threatens to undo this happy alignment of interests.
If you're not Evangelical or Baptist, I'm sorry about all the "inside baseball" of that last paragraph.
Posted by: steve poling at January 13, 2008 02:05 AM (eVZAb)
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As an Arkansan who has endured Mr. Huckabee's kind of government I cannot in good conscience vote for him. At the time he ran for governor he was the "lesser of two evils" candidate. That's what he would be if he gets the nomination.
He allowed our state to become saturated with illegals. Along with them came a surge in crime and disease (TB). Car insurance in this area is almost unaffordable due to the number of uninsured drivers. What used to be middle class neighborhoods are now brightly painted slums with a pit bull in every yard. What used to be excellent schools are now breeding grounds for gangs. (My daughter is a teacher in Jr. High. She has personally broken up knife fights.) I am a Christian but I will not be voting for the hipocrite Huckabee. All he needs is a comb over and a diamond ring. In my book he rates right up there with used car salesmen, telemarketers and journalists.
I am voting for the mature candidate - Fred. Forget change. Forget experience by osmosis. Forget charisma. Give me a mature candidate.
Posted by: Razorgirl at January 14, 2008 05:18 PM (aUY9H)
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Welcome to the FredHeads, Razorgirl!
I actually got a campaign e-mail today from Fred's campaign using the term FredHead, so it's an official moniker.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 14, 2008 08:05 PM (F+vKR)
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when he gets the nomination and wins the WH!
I got $10,000 says that don't happen.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 14, 2008 08:56 PM (ERV3B)
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Kos Revises History
Over at the Daily Kos, himself posts
Let's have some fun in Michigan, an appeal for Democrats to vote from Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney in Michigan on Tuesday, January 15th, hoping to keep him in the race because:
...the more Republican candidates we have fighting it out, trashing each other with negative ads and spending tons of money, the better it is for us.
Kos justifies this tactic by pointing out that Michigan Republicans pulled a similar dirty trick in 1972 to vote for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, noting that Republicans' made up a third of Wallace's vote total.
In 1972, Republican voters in Michigan decided to make a little mischief, crossing over to vote in the open Democratic primary and voting for segregationist Democrat George Wallace, seriously embarrassing the state's Democrats. In fact, a third of the voters (PDF) in the Democratic primary were Republican crossover votes.
But that isn't the whole story, and Kos purposefully leaves out the nasty truth: even without a single Republican vote, segregationist Wallace would have still won handily in 1972 Michigan, by more than 111,000 votes.
Michigan's apparently segregationist Democratic mainstream gave him at least 538,953 votes (I subtracted 1/3 of Wallace' total, as if all Republicans added to Wallace's vote total to arrive at that figure, even though 1/3 of the Republican cross-overs actually voted for McGovern. This figure is heavily biased in favor of his flawed argument, and he still loses), 111,259 more than also-ran George McGovern's 425,694 according to Kos' own source.
Kos can rightly claim that Republicans crossed over in 1972. He just can't credibly claim they affected the outcome.
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Sometimes they may it too easy.
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 11, 2008 10:44 AM (zw8QA)
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Kos is trying to look like he's leading things. A lot of Michiganders will vote for Mitt. His daddy did a pretty fair job as Michigan's Governor and Mitt didn't do so bad as Governor of another state.
So Mitt will get votes and Kos can preen.
Posted by: Peter at January 11, 2008 11:54 AM (U3lrW)
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Good news for Thompson AND Romney...
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=639
For Romney...
http://www.redstate.com/blogs/thunder/2008/jan/10/can_romney_take_2nd_place_all_the_way_to_the_nomination#comment-629014
Posted by: Cory at January 11, 2008 01:01 PM (VqXuo)
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You mean a democrat lied?? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell ya!
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 11, 2008 01:09 PM (Lgw9b)
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Glad to see that degree from Cal Berkeley is working for Kos.
Posted by: Mockin'bird at January 11, 2008 04:40 PM (JyjXB)
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Well, that spells the end of the Romney campaign. If memory serves, every single candidate that Kos has encouraged people to vote for has lost.
A Kos endorsement seems to have a lot in common with the Kiss of Death.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 07:39 PM (F+vKR)
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"Well, that spells the end of the Romney campaign. If memory serves, every single candidate that Kos has encouraged people to vote for has lost.
A Kos endorsement seems to have a lot in common with the Kiss of Death."
If that's the case, I'd encourage Kos to endorse each and every one of the Repug candidates. He'd be doing the world a great service
Posted by: Oliver at January 12, 2008 08:42 PM (W1+89)
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Hush. If Kos wants to endorse the only decent Republican candidate in the race (Mr. McCain-Feingold / McCain-Kennedy / Gang of 14 surely doesn't count, and so far as I can tell neither Fred nor Rudy is campaigning there), I can't see why we should complain about that!
Posted by: A Guy at January 12, 2008 09:11 PM (KqaNf)
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Why don't ya go over there and tell him that, Oliver? See how long it takes him to remove your comment and ban you.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 12, 2008 09:32 PM (F+vKR)
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At PJM: Assassinating Obama?
There have been quite a few articles written in the past week speculating that Democratic Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama might be assassinated by a shadowy cabal of gun-toting racists (or Halliburton and Blackwater).
In my latest Pajamas Media article, I trace that rumor back to it's true source, and find that that paranoia stems from the media's own stilted views of the American people.
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Actually, Bob, I think this whole concept has to do with the leftover 60's hippies seeing Robert Kennedy in Obama. Therefore, since Kennedy was assassinated, Obama will be too.
Projection does weird things to people sometimes.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 09:35 AM (ojkss)
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My manager said to me last night that she thought if Obama was elected he'd be assassinated. And she's not exactly political. Whoever is spreading this propaganda it's getting out to the people.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 11, 2008 10:09 AM (Lgw9b)
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How silly.
He's a Chicago Politician, with all the corruption that implies. Just check how his house was financed. It will be a lot cheaper and easier to buy Barry Boy than to buy an assassin.
Posted by: GeorgeH at January 11, 2008 02:53 PM (chLFa)
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Please, Bob, do not give our Philip Adams any more oxygen. He's a bloody antiquated embarrassment of an America-hating wanker and the kindest thing we could do, both for Mr Adams and Australia in general, is let him go gentle into that good night of the sheltered workshop which is our ABC.
Besides which, Malcolm X was assassinated by Black Muslims within the Nation of Islam, not by a "gun-toting [presumably white] racist." Not that Mr Adams ever lets the facts get in the way of a good Yank-bashing.
Slipping into Yoof Vernacular in a desperate grasp at relevance, Mr Adams asserts that Obama is "crazy brave." I assert that Mr Adams is "scary crazy."
Posted by: WestAussie at January 12, 2008 01:18 AM (7kFhO)
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January 10, 2008
Thompson Takes South Carolina
The Republican debate in Myrtle Beach was a clear win for Fred Thompson, and that seems to be the building prevailing sentiment. Everyone else seemed content to play defense and just attempt to hold ground. They failed.
As for Ron Paul... it was hard for both the moderating team and the candidates to hide their mix of pity and disgust. I almost expected to see a note with his home address pinned to his jacket.
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Get a clue, dude. Fox text message poll last I heard had paul waaayyyy ahead at 35% out of six on stage. Media is biased against him as are blogs like yours. Only real man and he wants to preserve the constitution from the repug warmonger neocons. We'd could cut way back on armed services if we just mind our own business and leave muslims alone in peace.
DOCTOR Ron Paul all the way in 2008!!!!!
Posted by: leila at January 10, 2008 11:55 PM (d8b6x)
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I am sorry people are biased against Ron Paul. In their defense, it's because Ron's a raving crazy person who I wouldn't trust as a local dogcatcher, let alone the presidency. Maybe if you stopped confusing poll-spamming for reality, you wouldn't be surprised as his 8% and declining support among actual human voters.
Posted by: Matt at January 11, 2008 12:00 AM (+2PvW)
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Anyone dumb enough to believe that the muslims would leave us alone if we'd only ignore them ought not be voting.
Posted by: brian at January 11, 2008 12:02 AM (FSuX0)
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If Paul was really as popular as Leila suggests, he'd have won more than two (2) delegates so far.
Easily spammed polls mean nothing. Actual votes from actual people mean everything. Paul has lots of the former and precious few of the latter.
Ron Paul is the Screamin' Howie Dean of 2008.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 12:05 AM (ojkss)
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I think I'll create a Ron Paul Supporter Automatic Blog Comment Generator. It shouldn't be too hard; they all sound the same to me. Just copy a few more comments like the one above and put them through some randomizer.
Posted by: Joe Bonforte at January 11, 2008 12:06 AM (UBM3h)
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The Paulbots ALWAYS pollute the polls after these "symposiums". Faux Paul needs to pack it in and go home.
Posted by: Snooper at January 11, 2008 12:33 AM (QaDHz)
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Wasn't Ru Paul the star of some flagratly risque movie a few years back?
How the hell'd he'd find his way outta drag and onto such an august platform as the Republican debates?
Jim
Sloop New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at January 11, 2008 12:42 AM (ggO9o)
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If only Thompson had shown the same kind of presence, the same energy, in the last few debates, he'd be winning now. That said, it's not too late when only three minor states have cast any votes so far.
Posted by: Math_Mage at January 11, 2008 01:22 AM (LJXkv)
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Ron who? Is that guy still in the race?
I mean, what with the racist, xenophobic, truly nujtjob writings the guy has to compose (or "edit") how in the world would he have time to attend to something as important as running for the Presidency of the U.S.? I mean, sheesh.
Give it up, Ronulans; get back to writing screeds against Jews, blacks, Freemasons and whoever it was that "truly" brought down the WTC. Oh, and the gold standard. Democracy, obviously, is not your game.
Posted by: Denny, Alaska at January 11, 2008 01:53 AM (vQW7S)
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You have to feel pity for the Ron Paul supporters. The focus group for the debate said that Paul was the big loser and they have nothing better to do than try to stuff the poll to make it appear different. That they believe actions such as that will help their candidate only calls into question their mental stability.
Posted by: Fritz at January 11, 2008 02:07 AM (4PqZH)
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Ron Paul is crazy and those who support him are insane. Now can we get back to discussing true conservatives, like McCain?
Posted by: cognitive_dissonance at January 11, 2008 03:05 AM (Q7tw7)
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text message poll last I heard had paul waaayyyy ahead at 35%
Ha, ha, ha.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 11, 2008 07:00 AM (ERV3B)
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Ron Paul lives in a fantasy world, and wins fantasy polls. Seems appropriate. MEanwhile in the real world, Islamists who want to kill us won't stop because we roll over, expose our belly and ask them to be nice, Arabic states that have sworn to push Israel into the sea won't stop because we left, 'Moderate' arab states woudl not have tried to, or been able to, push HUssein out of Iraq, The Federal reserve is not the root of all evil(Although it is sometimes stupid). .
I can tell that Paul disciples are not libertarians, because if they were, they could not hope to find a candidate more utterly damaging to their cause.
Posted by: Ryan at January 11, 2008 08:07 AM (eOUBs)
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I've seen a tendancy by some to dismiss Thompson for his weight, baldness and bags under the eyes. Such a physical description lumps Fred in with Winston You-Know-Who. Hmmm.
Posted by: Craig at January 11, 2008 08:43 AM (eQ1Ct)
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The most absurd comment of the night was Paul's idea that Israel would ally with moderate Arab states and invade Iraq so we would not.
If Kucinich wins, Ron Paul is a shoe in as Secretary of State.
Posted by: arch at January 11, 2008 08:48 AM (xF7QM)
Posted by: C-C-G at January 11, 2008 09:33 AM (ojkss)
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Last night looked like President Fred sitting down to dinner with his cabinet. Fred smacked Huck to the kiddie table while everybody else worked on sending crazy Uncle Ron off to bed before he wet himself.
Posted by: Mike O at January 11, 2008 10:14 AM (WRfzX)
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A true conservative like McCain? You're kidding right? What was "conservative" about McCain/Feingold? Amnesty? Being against tax cuts? The gang of 14? Believing in the global warming myth? If it weren't for his stance on the war McCain would make a decent democrat president.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 11, 2008 10:18 AM (Lgw9b)
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I like Ron Paul's domestic policy. It's too bad he is batshite crazy. His foreign policy is as bad as some dems, and he takes any chance he can to blame America for everything. I wonder if he is a 'truther'.
Posted by: GyorgLyquor at January 11, 2008 10:19 AM (NCsmk)
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This post and most of the comments reflect
my take on this as well. Paul has got to go: this is one of the more crucial elections in our lifetimes and we have to have the time of serious contenders diluted by this nutjob?
It is time for Fox and the other networks to get as serious as this election is. And I will add that I am really disappointed in Fox for not going harder at McCain's so-called "conservatism". I thought their quetions were mostly layups for McCain and they seemed to avoid Fred. He had to become assertive to even get a word in.
Fox's worst debate yet. But I agree that Fred went yard on almost every question.
Posted by: DiscerningTexan at January 11, 2008 11:08 AM (1zTuw)
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I trust FDT to put the hurt on Iran.
Then we'll call FTD.
Posted by: Mockin'bird at January 11, 2008 04:55 PM (JyjXB)
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RON PAUL FOR SHADY ACRES SECURE UNIT RESIDENT OF THE MONTH!!!!!
Posted by: Asher at January 11, 2008 08:47 PM (zednP)
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I hear Ron Paul's supporters playing the liberal, VICTIM card - everyone is rude to him. Since when was FREE SPEECH banned in America? The other GOP candidates are allowed to question & debate Ron Paul's libertarian view of the world, ON SUBSTANCE!
What has Ron Paul has against the Jews?
Posted by: AussieTexan at January 11, 2008 08:59 PM (RH5Iw)
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Liberal Math
I don't often go after individual bloggers, but statements made yesterday by "dday" at
Hullabaloo warrant direct comment.
Discussing a new report that places the number of Iraqi's killed since the start of the war until June of 2006 at roughly 151,000, "dday" wrote:
NPR was trying to spin this as somehow a LOW number of Iraqi civilian casualties in the last three and a half years, because it comes in lower than the Lancet study. But it remains 150,000 human lives, dead, senselessly, for an unnecessary war of choice. And that only goes up to June 2006, and the authors of the study admitted they were unable to reach certain areas that were "too violent."
Not to mention the 3,900-plus soldiers, including 9 in the last two days. And the numbers of wounded are incalculable.
All to remove a dictator who wasn't nearly as efficient at killing Iraqis.
Saddam Hussein "wasn't nearly as efficient at killing Iraqis"? Only in his community-based reality.
Between 70-125 Iraqi civilians were killed per day during Saddam Hussein's reign.
Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power.
That gives us a range of 600,000-1,000,000 civilians killed during Saddam's stewardship, with a median average of 97.5 Iraqi civilians killed per day during his reign, or 780,000. Over 24 years, that is a median average of 32,500 Iraqi civilians per year...
But this isn't a true "apples to apples" comparison, is it?
This does not include military deaths that occurred during Saddam's "unnecessary war of choice" with Iran from 1980-88, which which accounts for roughly one million more lives on both sides, nor casualties sustained as a result of his other "unnecessary war of choice" that resulted from his invasion of Kuwait, where an estimated 100,000+ died during the first Gulf War in 1990-91.
Combining the number of civilians killed by Saddam and number of soldiers killed on all sides during his two "unnecessary wars of choice," and we find a median estimate of 1.88 million killed during his 24-year reign, or 235 people a day.
The Iraq War started on March 20, 2003, and this study ran through June of 2006. In that time, 151,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed, or 126.04 per day.
Add in 10,000 estimated terrorist/insurgent/militia dead and roughly 2762 through that time period Coalition military deaths, and you arrive at a rough total of 163762 total violent deaths, or 136.7 total violent deaths per day through June 2006.
235 violent deaths per day over Saddam's reign including his wars.
137 violent deaths per day in Iraq over the first three years of the present war.
You do the math, and try to paint Saddam's continued reign as a preferable state of affairs.
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Can't fault your math but I think there is one very important point which you left out. However many Iraqis have died in the present war, the vast majority of them have been killed by the enemy, not by our forces. It is the enemy who have waged a relentless campaign of barbaric murders of unarmed civilians.
Posted by: Michael at January 10, 2008 11:14 AM (d/RyS)
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So I guess the 98 people per day that are still alive because Saddam isn't are really happy.
But you know the left, have to spin everything they don't agree with to look bad.
Posted by: Quality Weenie at January 10, 2008 12:19 PM (R6yie)
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Ask the 98 people per day that are still alive because Saddam isn't if they are happy or not that Saddam was disposed.
I bet that answer isn't something the left will want to hear.
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the -
Web Reconnaissance for 01/10/2008 A short recon of whatÂ’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at January 10, 2008 01:44 PM (gIAM9)
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The Hate-America left won't be happy until we take responsibilty for everything bad that happens and all the evil in the world.
Posted by: Banjo at January 10, 2008 03:44 PM (1DQ52)
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So how many of that number were confirmed kills of bad guys?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 10, 2008 04:06 PM (ERV3B)
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I have no idea what the "real" numbers are on either side, pre- and post- invasion. And I will preface this with the statement - I have no doubt Saddam was vermin.
But ... I was curious and googled "Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq" complete with the quotes. About the only thing that comes are links to news stories and blog links to those news stories. They don't seem to even have a website in English, and at least as late as 2003, were based in Iran. Which means they operated there with the blessing, if not the funding of the Iranian regime. A lot of information gotten from Iraqi ex-pat groups based in Europe turned out to be wildly exaggerated; imagine the level of reliability of data gotten from Iraqi ex-pat groups operating in Iran.
I also wonder why the US government doesn't seem to make an effort to keep track of civilian dead.
Posted by: cactus at January 10, 2008 04:27 PM (neFOn)
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I've been through this discussion of Iraqi deaths under Hussein and at times relied on this same link from the Global Business Network (btw, a progressive business org with Stewart Brand of the Whole Earth Catalog as a co-founder). However, I hit the same wall as Cactus in drilling down into the Documental Centre for Human Rights.
I don't think there are reliable numbers for Iraqi deaths under Saddam Hussein. We can be sure they were substantial and must be considered when discussing the costs and benefits of the Iraq War.
When polled the clear majority of Iraqi people have consistently said that the war was worth it even considering the suffering during and after. Here's
one link.
Posted by: huxley at January 10, 2008 05:04 PM (rOvvS)
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That 650,000 number comes from
hard left propaganda. No surprise here, they won't reveal how they arrived at that figure, so they're not allowing any scientific scrutiny or for others to verify their results.
Posted by: Cao at January 10, 2008 05:18 PM (wjTOW)
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To the propaganda driven community, some deaths are more equal that others.
Posted by: George Bruce at January 10, 2008 06:42 PM (tj2NC)
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I don't think there's ever been a dictator that the lefties didn't love and fawn over.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 10, 2008 09:49 PM (ojkss)
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Someone might want to look up the history on the numbers of French civilians killed during the pre-D-Day bombardment, or the number of German or Italian civilians who died during the immediate post-reconstruction era (say, the bitter winter of '45 to '48 or so)... and apply the typical lefty logic of asking if it was worth it.
Of course, to the Left it probably wasn't.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 10, 2008 10:42 PM (1AZTv)
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Comments like dday's are not reasoned statements, but professions of faith, a recitation of the progressive, nihilist credo. But this particular faith, like another causing great troubles worldwide, does not recognize nor have any diplomatic relations with reason. Not even back channels. Very pointed queries sometimes penetrate: "If civilian deaths obligate the withdrawl of soldiers from Iraq, is Al Queda similarly obligated? " Anger in reply is "A hit! A very palpable hit!"
Posted by: Broadsword at January 11, 2008 06:11 AM (80z4t)
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Adding another perspective. The nihilist progressives do have not a moral viewpoint, carefully reasoned out. They practice moralism, where intentions are the sine qua non, and results are secondary or, most often, irrelvant. George Weigel's writings elaborate this very clearly. See, Moral Clarity in a Time of War, http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=426 Thank you.
Posted by: Broadsword at January 11, 2008 06:18 AM (80z4t)
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The numbers for Saddam are minimalist, which was the route I went,
back in 2006. The worrying part is that there are at least two confirmed 'clearings' of Abu Ghraib by Saddam where the overcrowding had him 'clear' the facility of upwards of 40,000 individuals. These folks never came *back*. This also does not count in the 'extra-judicial' killings by his thugs, Republican Guard and high ranking military and secret police organizations. The number of 'disappeared' never to show up in any prison, court or jail is uncounted, but the rampant nature of these organizations points to thousands if not tens of thousands per year. And as the multiple (upwards of 14 counting his sons personal operations) 'secret police' units operated independently and without much cross-awareness, there is no way to compile such a list, either. Simply put: every Iraqi family lost at least one family member to Saddam's regime. A gross estimate of 5 people per family into 20 million people yields 4 million dead, disappeared, liquidated or just plain killed by Saddam Hussein's regime. That is a 'rough estimate' at best, but gives the scope and scale of the regime's influence.
This doesn't even begin to
address the alarmist left for what was expected going in... with various organizations looking at tens of thousands dead in 6 months, millions of refugees flooding the Middle East, mass starvation of millions in Iraq... really, its as if they all ignored Afghanistan, which also had truly awful predictions about it that never did show up, just like the dread 'Afghan Winter'. They do have bad winters there, just like the US... not all places, all the time, all at once, for all the winter.
Now if you want to look at a *real* 'civil war' look at the US... if the Iraqis can't meet up to those levels *with* a higher population base *and* automatic weapons, then
its not much of a war, really.
Posted by: ajacksonian at January 11, 2008 07:03 AM (oy1lQ)
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If the current war is an unnecessary war of choice, let's remember that the choice was Saddam's. Pres. Bush gave at least three major speeches to the world before the invasion but after we had massed our troops on Iraq's borders saying in effect, "the choice is in Saddam's hands". He made is clear that if Saddam honored his promise to allow "unfettered inspections" (remember that phrase?) and/or demonstrate that he had really destroyed the wmd that everyone agrees he had, the invasion wouldn't be necessary.
Posted by: mb at January 11, 2008 09:27 AM (j0WLx)
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To sharpen your point, currently for every Iraqi civiilian killed inadvertently by our troops in combat, 600 Iraqi civilians are killed on purpose by the insurgents and jihadis.
Posted by: Tantor at January 11, 2008 10:04 AM (K3i9w)
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Plus, the people experienced deep psychological trauma from living in a police state for 30 years...
But whatever the costs in Iraq. The demonstration value alone was worth it, because we got Khadaffy to give up his very advanced weapons program as a direct result of taking out Saddam.
When all the birdbrains on the reactionary left are dead and gone, historians will mark Iraq as a turning point in the war against radical Islam. And the credit will go to one man: George W. Bush.
Posted by: FA at January 11, 2008 12:04 PM (bvtOH)
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But Saddam was just about to stop killing internal enemies and become an anti-globalist, I'm sure. Just before we invaded, he was beginning to see that it was unrestrained capitalism that is the root of the world's problems. If only we could have sent more Deeply Sensitive progressives to explain it to him...
If only.
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at January 11, 2008 03:09 PM (FZP+j)
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That makes Saddam a WMD, doesn't it.
Posted by: ZZMike at January 11, 2008 07:30 PM (9kYWY)
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Leftists love it when colored people kill other colored people. Dozens of examples abound.
Please do NOT call them 'liberals'. You are doing half of their job for them if you give them ownership of such a positive word.
Posted by: Tood at January 11, 2008 08:45 PM (M24Cv)
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The Saud's produced all the terror in Iraq; that got delivered through the sunni tribes. Because? They had "their man" Bush, in the White House.
Finally, having had "enough" ... the American military went after ONE TRIBAL SUNNI CHIEF, who was killing off sunni tribal leaders who took part in the surge.
As to Iraq, itself, it's the EDSEL in George Bush's showroom. It didn't sell to the American people!
Is there a difference with Saddam gone? YES! Maliki works with IRAN! He lived in Iran for 10 years. He also lived in Damascus for 10 years. In other words? For 20 years he couldn't set foot into Saddam's Iraq.
Lots of opportunists have flown into Iraq with America's CIA, and other nefrarious ex-pats. Thinking this was gonna be one huge pie!
In August 2001, BEFORE 9/11 ... the Saud's received a 3-page3-handwritten letter from the EDIOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, promising the saud's a "new mideast."
Everything, however, has been weakened. Maliki, who hates Bush's guts, is working with Iran. And, putin CAME BACK TO THE TABLE!
Some day, someone will end the silence; and the truth about Bush's behaviors will spill out.
Meanwhile? The republicans aren't making a dent on the public. And, what if Hillary wins? What if most American voters want to go back to the world when Bill Clinton was president? And, we were on a successful roll?
No one can make predictions. The arabs are a bunch of thieves. And, can't run any government, well.
What the Saud's wanted, however, was to sweep in as "king pins." And, now? They don't even have gaza.
Well? What about the other arab leaders? Like Mubarak, who stands on his last leg. Or Musharraf. What did he learn about being friendly with Americans?
What about Olmert?
Bush is an idiot, even worse than Jimmy Carter. But the "message" that gets combined in voting booths, doesn't come out until the day after November 4, 2008.
Posted by: Carol Herman at January 12, 2008 02:38 PM (4c1qh)
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Someone left the door of the loony bin open.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 12, 2008 05:37 PM (F+vKR)
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Turns out uber leftist/terrorist apologist/ conficted crook George Soros funded the lancet "study".
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3177653.ece
Posted by: grrr at January 13, 2008 09:53 AM (2wI6h)
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Air Strikes Hit 40 Targets in Iraqi Offensive
From 2nd BCT, 3rd Inf. Div. PAO, via email press release:
More than 40 targets were hit Jan. 10 after precision air strikes destroyed reported al-Qaeda safe havens in Arab Jabour. Thirty-eight bombs were dropped within the first 10 minutes, with a total tonnage of 40,000 pounds.
The precision air strikes supported Operation Phantom Phoenix, the overarching operation that includes Operation Marne Thunderbolt.
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Two B-1 Bombers and four F-16 fighter jets, directed bombs at three large target areas. Each bomber made two passes and the F-16s followed to complete the set.
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Off topic but the Johns Hopkins/Lancet study that claimed 600,000 extra deaths in Iraq has taken another massive blow, the results could not be repeated. A new larger better supervised study (not carried out by an avowed anti war leftist) indicates excess 150,000 deaths in 3 years (i.e. less than Saddam killed putting down a shia rebellion in 1991).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/09/AR2008010902793.html?nav=rss_world
This is a black eye for research at Johns Hopkins and the Brit medical Journal the Lancet which timed its publication to hurt Bush in the 04 election. Should medical journals attempt the meddle in democratic elections, particularly when using false data.
Posted by: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at January 10, 2008 10:58 AM (gkobM)
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Citi Merchant and First Data Corp's Backdoor Gun Control
Citi Merchant Services and First Data Corp has decided to implement their own form of gun control, refusing to process credit card transactions between firearms retailers, distributors, and manufacturers, according to a
press release issued by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms industry (h/t
Hot Air).
CDNN Sports, Inc, a Texas-based firearms distributor, provided a copy of the notice of termination in which states in part:
We discussed with Mr. Crawford [of CDNN Sports Inc] said termination due to the sale of firearms in a non-face-to-face environment. Keep in mind that a violation of the Gun Control Act occurs when a gun offered online is sold to an individual in another State; the act prohibits selling a handgun to a resident of another state. Shipping across state lines is also banned, yet guns for sale online reach people across the country. We at Citi Merchant Services are unable to monitor or track adherence to these Gun Control laws.
A charitable explanation of this decision would be to state Citi Merchant Services and First Data Corp lawyers are grossly incompetent. Online retailers do not sell firearms to individuals, and to suggest otherwise is ignorant, if not duplicitous.
Firearms "purchased" online are shipped from a distributor to a local Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder who has authority to sell firearms from the federal government. Once this FFL holder—typically retail establishments— receive the firearm, all individuals must complete a FBI NICS background check via Form 4473 and/or comply with state and local firearms regulations regarding retail firearms purchase. It is only after these background checks are satisfied that the local retail purchase actually occurs, face-to-face. There is never a direct sale from the online site to a non-FFL holding retail customer, as the termination notice incorrectly states, and does not in any way violate GCA '68.
At worst, this is an attempt at backdoor gun control, preventing manufacturers from shipping firearms to distributors, and from distributors to retailers. In doing so, Citi Merchant Services and First Data Corp seem to assert that it is their responsibility to enforce laws, which is a patently absurd position. They are not the FBI nor the BATF, the two federal agencies tasked with enforcing these laws.
The firearms industry, of course, can easily voice their displeasure with their wallets by changing to other credit card transaction processing services that actually employ lawyers capable of understanding the applicable law.
I hope the company or companies that profit from this send Citi Merchant Services and First Data Corp lawyers a nice gift basket.
Update: I'll send you over to SayUncle for a response from Citi Merchant Services and First Data, showing that they are, indeed, completely ignorant of the law and how firearms sales are conducted.
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Well, that Citi card has a zero balance anyway.
I guess I'll be sending to them in shreds with a little note attached.
Posted by: iamnot at January 09, 2008 04:32 PM (q0Pd2)
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I'm sure he's already aware of this post Bob, but in case he's not I forwarded a link to Insty. If he chooses to link it maybe a little publicity will help change some minds at CITI.
Posted by: Boss429 at January 09, 2008 05:39 PM (rl0py)
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I am not tearing up my Citi-Bank Visa. I am not cancelling my account. I am reserving it to make all my online gun purchases. (I do have a C&R FFL.)
At least this is what I will do till June when the 0% interest special deal is up.
Posted by: Ron W at January 10, 2008 09:39 AM (6Ive1)
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Sounds more like the legal departments have got them in a CYA mode.
They are exercising excessive caution possibly with the idea of not being involved down the line as a member of the chain in the sale of a gun that some hot shot lawyer decides to sue all the way up the distribution chain as enablers of some gun related incident.
They as bean counters look at the dollar volume in a year and balance their profits versus their projected worst case liability.
So it may be strictly a cold business calculation on their part.
Posted by: Lurker at January 10, 2008 09:43 AM (1aM/I)
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Well having worked for Citibank in a previous incarnation, I can tell you they have cancelled accounts before for people and companies involved in the firearms business. It began with Sandy and apparently has continued. Too many self serving dolts in that company to survive if you have a mind and the desire to actually do something useful....
Posted by: ScottG at January 10, 2008 09:50 AM (pJXwV)
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It would be interesting to see if they can notice how many NRa members/supporters they used to enjoy for customers.
Posted by: Bill Teller at January 10, 2008 10:56 AM (406FR)
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Hmmm... I canceled $60k worth of credit with Citi after they sponsored the RaTHergate/Bush National Guard show on CBS.
I guess I'll have to get a card of theirs just for Gun purchases. I wonder if I can get one with an NRA logo?
Posted by: Bombast at January 10, 2008 11:01 AM (8FvLX)
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Well, coincidentally, I was doing my online banking and ordering a check sent to them this morning. Then I read this. The check is now for the full amount and contains a cancellation notice referring to their anti-gun policy. Now I need to go write a letter to make it stick...
Posted by: ubu at January 10, 2008 02:09 PM (fURYZ)
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Well, coincidentally, I was doing my online banking and ordering a check sent to them this morning. Then I read this. The check is now for the full amount and contains a cancellation notice referring to their anti-gun policy. Now I need to go write a letter to make it stick...
PS: I think you broke mu.nu; it's rejected me repeatedly due to comment overload.
Posted by: ubu at January 10, 2008 02:11 PM (fURYZ)
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Never assume conspiracy where stupidity will suffice.
Posted by: Just Sayin at January 10, 2008 02:15 PM (G/ufG)
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Both phones now roll over to voicemail:
June Rivera-Mantilla (631-683-7734) requests that you not leave a voicemail, but send email to questions@firstdata.com
Her purported supervisor, Robert Tenenbaum (631-683-6570) claims he is not her supervisor, and repeats the request that email be sent.
Fair enough. Sent email, with questions, and a request for a response. Left both individuals a voice message (I don't take direction well), asking to be informed as to who June's supervisor actually is, and for his/her contact information.
Sounds like they are both having a special day.
Kirk
Posted by: Largenfirm at January 10, 2008 02:57 PM (ek3ah)
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Here is NSSF's response to the anti-gun corporate policy employed by First Data and Citi Merchant Services.
January 10, 2008
Dear :
This is to confirm the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s receipt of your e-mail response on behalf of First Data Corporation and Citi Merchant Services on Wednesday, January 9, 2008, concerning First Data and Citi Merchant’s unilateral decision to stop processing credit card transactions involving the lawful sale of firearms by law-abiding, federally-licensed, firearms distributors/retailers. Regrettably, your e-mail serves to confirm the anti-gun corporate policy of First Data and Citi Merchant Services and that the article in our publication “Bullet Points,” and subsequent posting to our Website, was based on a correct and accurate understanding of that policy as articulated in the December 26, 2007, letter to Mr. Charlie Crawford at CDNN Sports Inc.
We had hoped to hear from First Data Corporation and Citi Merchant Services that this was not your corporate policy and that the letter was merely the ill-considered actions of a single employee.
Your anti-gun corporate policy is based on ignorance of the law applicable to the sale of firearms. It is perfectly legal, in fact commonplace, for a federal firearms licensee in one state to sell a firearm to a non-licensee (consumer) from another state. What you fail to appreciate is that the firearm is not shipped in interstate commerce directly to the consumer. Rather, as required by federal law, the firearm is shipped by the selling licensee to another federal firearms licensee in the state of residence of the consumer who is purchasing the firearm. The consumer acquires the firearm from that licensed dealer in a face-to-face transaction after completion of a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly referred to as an ATF Form 4473, and a federally-mandated background check to ensure that the purchaser is legally permitted to buy the firearm.
Furthermore, the policy of First Data and Citi Merchant Services interferes with the receiving and shipping of inventory from and to federally licensed firearms retailers, distributors and manufacturers. This inventory supplies not only law-abiding Americans, but military and law enforcement agencies as well.
June River-MantillaÂ’s original correspondence contained so many errors that one could only deduce that it was an uniformed mistake that would consequently be corrected. Instead, we learned yesterday that First Data Corporation and Citi Merchant Services stands behind the policy, which affects not only firearms retailers, manufacturers and distributors, but also law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels of government and law-abiding citizens.
NSSF will not remove its Web posting nor will we rescind or alter our story. However, if we receive written confirmation from you that, after having researched the law, First Data and Citi Merchant Services have changed their corporate policy, we will consider publishing that fact in a follow-up story.
Sincerely,
NSSF
Posted by: NSSF at January 10, 2008 03:27 PM (7uoGf)
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I'd love to know whether the VPC or a similar gun grabbing group sent correspondence to these guys trying to misrepresent the nature of what is going on with their customer's internet business. Thinks like "interference with contract" "alienation of prospective business relationships" and "defamation (per se)" come to mind.
If I were CDNN I'd file the lawsuit just to get discovery of whether those sorts of things were going on in the back ground. As it stands, they've got a basic "good faith and fair dealing" claim in most states anyway.
Posted by: Gonzo at January 10, 2008 03:59 PM (C0McP)
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Here's a copy of the note I just forwarded to all my credit card providers through their various account management Websites
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Please answer the following question regarding my account. Is First Data Corporation or Citi Merchant Services in any way involved or associated with my credit card account - including the processing of charges?
Unfortunately, it has been brought to my attention that FDC and Citi Merchant Services have initiated a campaign against Firearms Dealers.
I have been very pleased with my service from your company up to this point and it is my sincere hope that your firm has no exisitng relationship with FDC or Citi Merchant Services. As a lifetime participant in shooting sports and a lifetime member of the NRA - I could not abide such a policy and would be forced to cancel any associated accounts. Please advise as to the nature of any such relationship.
With Thanks,
Posted by: SHOTandTACKLE at January 10, 2008 05:20 PM (l/qhb)
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SHOTandTACKLE,
I'm pretty sure you're asking the wrong party. If I understand it correctly, FDC and CitiMerchant are providing their services to the business (for example, a gas station) itself, basically handling the credit card processing for them.
Posted by: Kevin at January 10, 2008 08:25 PM (kZVsz)
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Kevin,
Generally what you say is correct - but it is important to recognize that FDC processes many (in fact, I believe, the majority) of all credit card transactions in the United States. What's more, as I recall, they have the largest credit card production and distribution facility in the country (an incredibly secure site in Nebraska) and I know for a fact that they produce and distribute many of the cards issued by big name banks.
I agree that the problem is largely one tied to merchant services but I believe that a company must be held accountable for the actions of its employees, divisions, and key vendors. If my cards were issued or produced by FDC - then I will look to get a card from another issuer.
I have already cancelled one of my cards over this. I guess its just a personal choice - but as an FFL - it's a pretty simple one for me.
Posted by: SHOTandTackle at January 11, 2008 01:52 AM (l/qhb)
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Is Bloomberg hidden somewhere in this picture?
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Ron Paul: Just Go Away
Ron Paul needs to simply go away.
Long-simmering rumors about his ties to bigots of many stripes have lurked in the background for years, only explode yesterday with well-documented examples of racism, hatred towards gays, and murky associations with conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis, and secessionists.
Some seem satisfied with Paul's weak claim that myriad examples of this inflammatory rhetoric went out under his name for over a decade without his knowledge or blessing. This requires a willing suspension of disbelief and an avoidance of reality only too typical of the paranoid fringe that have flocked to his campaign.
If he has any sense of decency, Paul should withdraw from the 2008 Presidential race, and should also consider vacating his Congressional seat. The voters of Texas' 22nd 14th District deserves better representation than this.
We all do.
Update: CNN gets in the action with a feature story called Ron Paul '90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays.
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Actually, I don't mind the Ron Paul campaign.
By serving as a magnet for those with loony ideas about the nature of reality, it makes it easy to identify the nut-cases amongst those I know.
If it wasn't for Ron Paul, these folks would just find another Dear Leader to follow... like, say, Ross Perot. It's not like the Paulites are gonna support someone (relatively) reasonable like Fred or Mitt or even Rudy.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 09, 2008 09:41 AM (ojkss)
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I was very disappointed this weekend to see that Maurices BBQ here in South Carolina had Ron Paul pamphlets available for customers. Maurices BBQ is famous for their carolina style mustard based BBQ. They are equally famous (or imfamous) for continuing to fly the Confederate flag in front of their restaurants even after it was removed from the top of SC State House. I've always supported the right of private citizens to display their heritage, but with the new revelations about Paul, I am beginning to doubt that this is about history.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 09, 2008 11:55 AM (oC8nQ)
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Mustard-based?
Sir, do not besmirch all that is holy by intoning that slop is actually BBQ.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 09, 2008 11:57 AM (vxbTC)
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1. Odd that a blog that calls itself "Confederate" Yankee has such a problem with a candidate who seems to have some Confederate sympathies himself.
2. "Ron Paul needs to go away."
Are you truly this shallow and myopic, CCG, or are you simply as petty as the NRO that you love-to-hate in other posts? How is it that you've missed the point that Ron Paul, for all his warts, is simply an rallying-figure for an America that has lost its faith in this war, this government, this president, this Madam Speaker (and her ilk), these media, this political "process" that will only install another RepubliCrat in the White House who will uphold the status quo during his/her tenure, etc, etc, ad nauseum? With the Paul campaign, you are getting a dose of bonafide, heartland America,* and like your Lefty counterparts, mis-portray it as 'AmeriKKKa' as much as you can.
What is most telling about your reaction to the skeletons in Paul's closet, however, is how very dated your thinking is. You assume that the Ron Paul campaign is about Ron Paul--much like the Bushists (if indeed there are any still out there) and Clintonistas make their campaign efforts ABOUT their Chosen Ones instead of whatever issues they seem to endorse (because if they did indeed make it about ISSUES, the self-styled Right and Left would see that there isn't enough of a difference between the two parties to make voting for one or the other worth one's while.) So no, the Ron Paul voter won't be making a cult out of Paul's middle initial or his fabled charismatic charm (he really hasn't any); they are simply sick of a Washington that no longer really cares about We The People it pretends to represent, and it is an indictment of the Bush-cum-Clinton camp that someone as lacking as Ron Paul can make such a showing.
Ergo, the 'PaulBots' are quite the opposite of the knee-jerk supporters the slur suggests--instead of the mental calisthenics Bush or Clinton supporters often turn in order to wrap their minds around their candidate's every piss-poor decision, the Paulists feel that they actually OWN this 'revolution' and that not even Paul himself can derail it. Nonetheless, why you can't seem to get the age-old concept of the-message-is-bigger-than-the-man is not really so baffling: You're just working off the ancien politics of yesteryear, where political parties and machines matter so much. So, as-you-were, "Confederate" Yankees: Go on denouncing, ridiculing, belittling, etc.: It only shows that like your Lefty complements, you are both out of touch with America and afraid of it at once.
(*Heartland Americans are, by-and-large, conspiracy theorists by nature, it seems, and poll after poll has shown their inherent distrust of the government's versions of what happened at Waco, or to the Alfred P. Murrah Building, or in Dallas on November 22, 1963 for that matter. This is old hat. [This distrust of centralized Washington is as American as apple pie, too--T. Jefferson: "Our kind of government is not based on trust...it is based on suspicion."]
Americans are, by-and-large, isolationists.
Americans are, by-and-large, against unrestricted access to abortion.
Americans are, by-and-large, suspicious of the UN.
Americans are, by-and-large, against any kind of special recognition or state sanction of homosexuality.
Etc.
These are planks in the Paul campaign, donchaknow, and it wouldn't matter if a talking toad were to croak these issues, a great many Americans would echo the same.)
Posted by: j at January 09, 2008 12:05 PM (miTHt)
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j, how this blog's name came about is
very well documented, and has nothing whatsoever with successionist nutters, but thanks for trying the
ad hom.
Paul does attract disaffected portions of America, which is fine, but he has never made more than (even?)a half-hearted attempt to separate himself from extremists, and is now well documented, is either one himself, or willing to lend his name to them for decades at a time.
You are judged by the company you keep, and in Paul's case, that is not a pretty picture at all.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 09, 2008 12:39 PM (vxbTC)
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Slop? If you wake up at dawn tomorrow, and there's a guy dressed like Colonel Sanders on your lawn carrying dueling pistols, don't go outside.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 09, 2008 01:07 PM (oC8nQ)
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Again you seem to be missing the boat: The "disaffected portions of America" you speak of are, whether you'd like to admit it or not, *mainstream*. He has tapped into this mainstream, which is why both Montana militia-types and left-leaning urbanites who are posting his banners downtown find themselves under the same aegis for once. My point to your posts is that he is larger than himself, and that imagining that if Ron Paul were to go away his so-called movement would disappear only constitutes naive wishful thinking on your part.
Posted by: j at January 09, 2008 01:12 PM (miTHt)
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Mainstream? 3% of the population is "mainstream?" What's the new slogan gonna be j? "the 3% mainstream rEVOLution?" Bwahahahahaha!!!!!
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 09, 2008 01:29 PM (Lgw9b)
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Capitalist Infidel:
The mainstream of disaffected nutcases, perhaps? ;-)
Posted by: Patrick Chester at January 09, 2008 01:58 PM (oQWuH)
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No, fools: The "Great Silent Majority" Nixon talked about, who do, in fact, hold to the values I listed above. The 3% are only the most impassioned, I would imagine--remnants of once die-hard Dems or Repubs. Disaffected as the mainstream is, it will probably continue to vote RepubliCrat for some time to come, or not at all (as many Americans don't): You have no idea how many people I've spoken to who've said, "I *would* vote for him, but don't think he has a chance of winning." They connect with him, you see, these average Americans you (and the Leftists) decry as "disaffected nutcases"; you think a mere 3% has given him 100% of the money and support they have? I haven't done jack-squat for the man, so I wouldn't register in the 3% either.
Keep dancin', tho, 'round and 'round the fact that the RP phenomena-thingy is, as I said, "an indictment of the Bush-cum-Clinton camp [when considering that] someone as lacking as Ron Paul can make such a showing."
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Keep dancin', tho, 'round and 'round the fact that the RP phenomena-thingy is, as I said, "an indictment of the Bush-cum-Clinton camp [when considering that] someone as lacking as Ron Paul can make such a showing."
Squirrels have always gathered nuts. It is in their nature. It doesn't make him king of the forest, or any more special than even the last squirrel.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 09, 2008 02:29 PM (vxbTC)
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"Squirrels have always gathered nuts."
Interesting. That is what most of the world said when Bush got a second term.
Posted by: j at January 09, 2008 02:43 PM (miTHt)
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Since Paul gets about 3% of the vote what did that make Perrot who got around 20%?
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at January 09, 2008 05:29 PM (Lgw9b)
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J,
Ron Paul is a nut job. Does he have some positions that I can agree with? Yes. I'm sure Jeffrey Dahmer had some positions that I could agree with too, but that doesn't make him any less of a nut job.
Your belief in Ron Paul makes you either simple, or also a nut job. Your "revolution" is lovely to see in all of its glory, winning primary after primary. You and your revolution are the equals of the Kucinich revolution. You will have as much success, and people with think just as highly of you and crazy Paul when it is all over.
No matter how you try to defend it, Paul is a racist, anti-semetic, conspiracy theorist. Either he is too sloppy and stupid to check what goes out under his name for over 20 years (which makes him stupid and sloppy), or he actually agrees with what was sent out under his name (and which, by the way, put money in his pocket) for 20 years. Either way, the guy is an idiot and a bad person. How you, and the rest of the bots that are unable to see facts staring you in the face, manage to rationalize around this, is insane.
I'm willing to admit that Bush does a lot of things I don't like, but those are policy decisions that I disagree with, not racism, anti-semitism, and paranoid conspiracy theories. You are agreeing with the latter, not the former.
Posted by: Great Banana at January 10, 2008 10:27 AM (JFj6P)
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Long-simmering rumors about his ties to bigots of many stripes have lurked in the background for years, only explode yesterday with well-documented examples of racism, hatred towards gays, and murky associations with conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis, and successionists.
I think you mean "secessionists", as in people who want to secede.
(What is a "successionist"? Someone who strives to succeed, perhaps? Sounds good to me.)
J: say all you like that Democrats and Republicans are "out of touch with the mainstream". The bottom line, however, is the votes. If Ron Paul can't get enough votes to make a difference, then putting a talking toad in his place won't help.
So far he doesn't have it. Never mind getting as many votes as Ross Perot did; so far he hasn't even gotten the 7% John Anderson did in 1980.
When a candidate's positions are truly more "mainstream" than his or her opponents, the ballots will prove it. So I'll happily eat my words, sincerely and profoundly, when President Paul is inaugurated. I will, that is, provided YOU are willing to eat YOUR words if-and-when Rep. Paul's "rEVOLution" fizzles and burns out, as I strongly suspect it will.
There's nothing wrong with starting a new movement and doing your best to get momentum for it. But declaring yourself the winner before the contest starts -- well, that's just silly.
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
Posted by: Daniel in Brookline at January 10, 2008 10:28 AM (ETuqd)
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If Ron Paul steps aside, who will step forward to lead his fanatical followers. David Duke?
Posted by: Banjo at January 10, 2008 03:49 PM (1DQ52)
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First of all, you have demonstrated yourself in the same mold as the rest of the PC brain-washed masses. Pointing out that the government is not being forthcoming or honest about what happened on 9/11 one earns the label "conspiracy theorist". If a person thinks that whites have as many rights as blacks, then "neo-Nazi". If a person has kin folk who served in the Confederate Army and embraces their Southern Heritage, then lets call them "successionists". Certainly no one wants to be labeled any of those things so everyone keeps quiet.
I'm actually not a big fan of Ron Paul, but I am supporting his campaign. We need a few more people in the public arena to be ask the right questions and not be afraid of the narrow-minded bigots such as the author of this hit piece.
Posted by: BCR at January 10, 2008 06:23 PM (Zng7G)
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Ron Paul no longer represents Texas District 22. He represents Texas District 14.
Posted by: lurker at January 10, 2008 06:26 PM (KjsE5)
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I am amazed at the venomin against Ron Paul. He certainly has some groups that support him that are outside of conventional political thought. But at the same time, he is the only candidate that has a conservative message and truly desires to get the government out of our lives. Why do you people want the government to wipe your backsides and decide every aspect of your lives?
Posted by: David C. at January 10, 2008 07:23 PM (4Ime0)
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David, please look at the policy positions of former Senator Fred Dalton Thompson, and then tell me again that Ron Paul is the
only candidate that is espousing limited government... if you can do it with a straight face, that is.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 10, 2008 09:51 PM (ojkss)
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Interesting. That is what most of the world said when Bush got a second term.
While America was saying "No, thank you." to John Kerry. Thing is, the rest of the world doesn't get a vote. But what were they saying when they elected or reelected Blair, Howard, Merkel, Sarkozy, etc...?
Posted by: Pablo at January 11, 2008 06:44 PM (yTndK)
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CCG posted "David, please look at the policy positions of former Senator Fred Dalton Thompson, and then tell me again that Ron Paul is the only candidate that is espousing limited government... if you can do it with a straight face, that is."
How many Americans can vote for the continuation of American Empire with over 700 overseas military bases in over 130 countries as our own infrastructure, housing market, dollar value and overall economy continue to crumble. Fred Thompson is another pompous ass who wants to "kick ass" in the Middle East.
Please, my fellow Americans: Don't stir up hornets' nests around the world. Our children will get stung. Let's elect a president who will stop wasting 1/2 of our income taxes to buy weapons and piss off 130 countries. Only Kucinich, Paul and Gravel will do this.
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Not to point out the obvious to the oblivious, but at a time when newsrooms are loss-leaders at best, you might be financially better off in getting your
wildly inaccurate pre-primary punditry from bloggers.
I'm pretty sure I could be every bit as wrong as Zogby, Rasmussen, etc for $50K-$100K less per state.
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...whoever actually wrote them, the newsletters I saw all had one thing in common: They were published under a banner containing Paul's name, and the articles (except for one special edition of a newsletter that contained the byline of another writer) seem designed to create the impression that they were written by him--and reflected his views. What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing--but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.
I doubt this is the last we'll see of this kind of article targeting the company Paul keeps, either.
Update: More on this via Daniel Koffler at Pajamas Media, starting with this (dis)taste of pull-quotes from "Ron Paul's Political Report" newsletter from the 1980s and early 1990s.
"[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin."
"I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational."
"The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics."
"The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to "fight the power," and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against 'The Man.' And 'The Woman.'"
This looks bad for Paul...very bad. That hasn't kept his true believers from bombarding PJM's comment thread.
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That looks to me like somebody is doing a takedown of Ron Paul.(I'm not a supporter of Paul).
The larger issue raised by the quotes is something that has concerned Democrats for decades-may have even been caused by Democrat's social programs.
Blacks have been welcomed and encouraged to pursue opportunities in the private sector for many decades. Many have quietly pursued them
to meaningful prosperity, but the underclass gets all the press as if they are the courageous.
Posted by: Mockin'bird at January 08, 2008 03:23 PM (h4hIX)
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Paulistas defending the Chosen One in 3, 2, 1...
Seriously, I don't oppose Paul and his little group of religous nutbars because of how he felt about blacks or gays in 1995; I oppose them because of how ignorant they are of foreign affairs and economy today.
This IS the man who said that Viet Nam was better off and more successful now than Koerea is, because America's continuing military presence in Korea holds them back and Viet Nam threw us out...
Posted by: DaveP. at January 08, 2008 03:24 PM (1AZTv)
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That PJM comment thread nucking futs!
Seriously. That is some good crazy. Like weapons grade crazy. Charlie Manson is gonna be awful jealous.
Posted by: Lamontyoubigdummy at January 08, 2008 04:10 PM (2T3uc)
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Seriously, Lamont, that's another thing. I look at Ron Paul's supporters and I see attempted spinning of facts, total villification and demonization of anyone who disagrees, appeals to emotion instead of arguements based on facts and reality, flat-out bigotry, ad hominem dismissals of inconvenient truths...
Look at the Paulistas at the PJM comment threads, and you'll see many of the (nonpolicy) reasons I left the Democratic Party in the first place.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 08, 2008 05:14 PM (1AZTv)
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Dave: I used to think it was funny, but those people bend fanatical psychotic more and more every day. If we'd have had the internet back then, these crazy bastards would've shilled for Jim Jones.
K-Lo, over in the Corner, just posted the story only (with no additional comment). Within minutes her inbox was full of these:
"Subject: I'll never trust the NRO again
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There's gotta be consequences to what you people are doing. Hannity got chased off the streets... he's lucky that's all that happens. Rudy got locked in a bathroom in a boat in MI. The revolution is real, not symbolic... I wouldn't smack at a hornets nest.
Paul is not a racist. He's very kind. All of his supporters aren't as kind or layed back. They take things like this serious.
The media is generating hate and their own version of blowback. In America, blowback lead to 9/11. What will your blowback lead to? We're really starting to hate you folks. I was a journalist, I read the NRO, I vote GOP. I hate you. I can't imagine how others feel right now about reading that misleading crap."
Need thorazine much?
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Yes, it reduces Ron Paul in my mind, but I notice that the Author of the piece himself says he doesn't think that Ron Paul is Racist. But that he's a cynic and wants to stir the pot. Keep that in mind, the person who wrote the piece admits that he's doing it just to screw with Ron Paul and his supporters. Unfortunately, everyone seems to enjoy dancing to the tune. The timing is suspicious and I think well planned to try to eclipse Ron Paul on the very day that he could be having his best primary day of the year.
Posted by: Mark at January 08, 2008 06:00 PM (zwNmS)
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Have you seen the video of the Paul supporters chasing after Sean Hannity?
Since when does "reverence for the Constitution" include physical intimidation of those whose exercise of the First Amendment produces opinions you disagree with?
These guys are poisoning the waters for actual libertarianism, and Paul is just standing there with his hands in his pockets and claiming he can't be held responsible.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 08, 2008 06:09 PM (1AZTv)
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Personally, after the Scott Thomas Beauchamp caper, I'd not believe TNR if they told me water was wet.
Mind you, I still believe Paul is a nutcase and his supporters are even worse, but I wanna see non-TNR verification of this story before I'll accept it.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 08, 2008 07:56 PM (ojkss)
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There are some seriously batcrap, monkeyhumpin' crazy people following RP around.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at January 08, 2008 07:56 PM (La7YV)
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Consider the source: TNR.
As much as I despise Ron Paul, the practice of TNR is to produce fiction.
I'm a risk manager of the Austrian school. I regularly follow The Mises Institute's commentary. While I find their isolationism unfortunate and incorrect (you'd have to classify me as a neo-libertarian), the Austrian school has been the most accurate in predicting macroeconomic trends.
The fact that The New Republic would associate the Austrian economic school with this nonsense is the unfortunate outcome of inept trust-fund baby leadership combined with "lowest common denominator" journalism degrees.
God forbid Ron Paul ate carrots at some point in his life. These statistically-ignorant fools would have found a way to disparage vegetable producers worldwide.
Please consider the source in this garbage. Foer's clearly convinced me that he will run this piece of trash into the ground and enjoy every moment of its demise.
Posted by: redherkey at January 09, 2008 12:31 AM (kjqFg)
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Also consider that this isn't a new story either - its been reported before. But if this actually has an effect on the paulbots, who knows - I mean they haven't taken over fittobepres.com yet.
Posted by: Will at January 09, 2008 09:15 AM (WOkK4)
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Funny that some wish to attack TNR for publishing facts that anyone out there who wants to can verify.
Even if you want to consider it a hit piece, are you denying that these newsletters exist? If not, what do you think of someone who would allow his name to be plastered over these sorts of statements for multiple years?
If you are denying they exist, well, you've got a great scoop to bury TNR once and for all. Go to it.
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Huckabee's Radical Immigration Shift
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Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate — a radical step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.
Mr. Huckabee, who won last week's Republican Iowa caucuses, promised Minuteman Project founder James Gilchrist that he would force a test case to the Supreme Court to challenge birthright citizenship, and would push Congress to pass a 28th Amendment to the Constitution to remove any doubt.
This is a radical shift from an immigration position of just a little over a month ago as reported in the same newspaper, where his position as governor of Arkansas was labeled "an absolute disaster."
"Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens."
As Mark Levin notes, this is a massive flip-flop from Huckabee, who supported making the children of illegal aliens eligible for college scholarships and called legislation to crack down on illegal immigration in Arkansas "inflammatory and race-baiting" while governor just two years ago, a fact he did not dispute in the GOP debate in New Hampshire on September 5, 2007.
Issues2000.org has much, much more on Huckabee's shifting positions.
Update: Hmmm... backing down on a previous pander? Perhaps his moral compass needs to be re-magnitized.
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Saying anything to get elected....I don't believe him for one minute....period.
Posted by: Jaded at January 08, 2008 12:04 PM (0lpqx)
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Huckabee is a disaster!
Posted by: Cory at January 08, 2008 12:12 PM (VqXuo)
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Mike Huckabee is a pandering piece of dung.
This guy has absolutely no decency about him what so ever.
Posted by: edward cropper at January 08, 2008 12:32 PM (yYiEy)
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Ireland voted this type of change in. We should, but on a national referendum as they did. Betcha the Dems don't want what the majority does want, so won't let us vote, ignoring the Constitution, like Assachusetts Dems screwed their electorate on the gay marriage issue.. Stuns me why they get elected.
Posted by: frizzbee at January 08, 2008 01:03 PM (EaIA0)
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Mike Huckabee just released this statement:
I do not support an amendment to the constitution that would prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens. I have no intention of supporting a constitutional amendment to deny birthright citizenship.
Posted by: John at January 08, 2008 01:15 PM (r31FK)
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The cynical part of me is inclined to believe that this immigration gambit is not sincere. It gives Mr. Huckabee the appearance of being an immigration hawk. But how reasonable is it to expect that an Immigration Amendment to the Constitution would be any more viable than an Abortion Amendment?
Pro-life politicians have long known they can hold this position, cost-free, without actually doing anything about it. "Sorry, our hands are tied by the Federal courts."
Similarly, can I take any proposed reforms seriously when there is zero chance of getting enabling legislation through Congress?
I apologize for being so uncharitable to think this of Mr. Huckabee. Perhaps he could dispell such cynicism by taking positions that actually cost him something.
Posted by: Steve Poling at January 08, 2008 01:18 PM (eVZAb)
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While I am all for a hard line on illegal aliens, the whole amending the Constitution to deny birthright citizenship seems rather extreme, and idiotic.
Posted by: Penfold at January 08, 2008 02:09 PM (lF2Kk)
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People need to take a breather and relax. Huckabee has corrected the record and will not propose a constitutional amendment on citizenship. However, having considerable experience as a governor he fully understands the shortcomings of current federal immigration policy and its implementation. With this background he has developed a comprehensive federal plan to address this invasion--a plan that should be embraced by every persons seeking the presidency.
Posted by: Scott at January 08, 2008 02:27 PM (IG5mI)
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People need to take a breather and relax. Huckabee has corrected the record and will not propose a constitutional amendment on citizenship. However, having considerable experience as a governor he fully understands the shortcomings of current federal immigration policy and its implementation. With this background, he has developed a comprehensive federal plan to address this invasion--a plan that should be embraced by every persons seeking the presidency.
Posted by: Scott at January 08, 2008 02:28 PM (IG5mI)
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Huckabee will say anything it takes. If anyone but romney thompson or hunter get in LEARN SPANISH. And be ready to keep paying illegals
bills so dems can get votes and reps. can have cheep labor. Sorry to be such a downer but someone needs to say it.
Posted by: Larry at January 08, 2008 03:16 PM (BPNgZ)
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"A man who will lie to to get a job will lie while on the job."
I like his position. I also think he really believes in his current position. I also know that he is about as capable of holding onto his current position until Jan 20th, 2009 and not likely 24 hours longer than that.
Huckabee's worst quality is his ability to be persuaded so easily that he let an unrepetent rapist out of jail so he could rape and murder.
Posted by: Allen S at January 08, 2008 04:10 PM (pf7q9)
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Huckabee has already been shown to be a liar on his tax increases. Therefore, I don't find it a bit surprising that he's speaking with forked tongue again.
That he would lie so easily suggests he is more politician than pastor. And if he is truly as Christian as he and his supporters say he is, might I suggest he review the Scriptures, specifically verses like Psalm 119:29, Proverbs 3:3 and 12:19, and Colossians 3:9, among many others.
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Obama's Damaged Foreign Policy
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Hot Air, Bryan notes that Barack Obama's foreign policy plan
doesn't exist.
I wish I could agree with him, but as I read the page now and click the "Read the Plan" link, that isn't true.
It isn't non-existent. Its just damaged and unreadable.
But then, we knew that, didn't we?
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Bob,
I regret to inform you that your post is factually incorrect. Obama's foreign policy is in fact non-existent.
Here's the proof.
;-)
Posted by: Justacanuck at January 08, 2008 11:21 AM (hgxwr)
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There's no there there. Sorta like Mr. Clinton.
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The New Hampshire Primary Begins...
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with a route in the tiny hamlet of Dixville Notch, where Hillary Clinton didn't pick up a single vote among the 17 voters. Barack Obama got seven votes, John Edwards picked up two, and Bill Richardson picked up one. On the Republican side, John McCain picked up four vtoes, ?Mitt Romney two, and Rudy Giuliani picked up one.
As noted in the Fox News article, the small towns that opened door to voters at midnight are far too small to be seen as reflective of the state's trends.
Scott Elliott of Election Projection is predicting a very narrow 34% to 33% win for Republican candidate John McCain over Mitt Romney, and a significant 41% to 34% victory for Obama over Clinton, the once-favored Democratic candidate once seen by many as the inevitable Democratic winner.
Independent voters are the key to this primary, with the ability to vote in Democratic or Republicans. Mitt Romney's campaign is said to be hoping for enough independent voters to cast votes for Barack Obama and possibly siphon votes from John McCain to give him a victory. I think that is exactly what will happen.
My guesses are just that (guesses), but here they go.
- Democrat
- Obama: 42%
- Clinton: 32%
- Edwards: 18%
- Richardson: 6%
- Others: 2%
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- Romney: 33.5%
- McCain: 33%
- Huckabee: 11.5%
- Giuliani: 10%
- Paul: 8%
- Thompson: 4%
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I didn't include Duncan Hunter on the Republican side because I don't think he'll make even 1% after his hissy fit yesterday.
Update: So, how do we read the latest at Drudge that the New Hampshire Secretary of State is rushing to bring ballots to "Seacoast – Hampton, Portsmouth – and Southern Hillsborough – Pelham, Nashua" and other cities running low on Democratic ballots?
If you run with the theory that independents are choosing between Obama and McCain, we could be looking at the seeds of a mild McCain upset by Mitt Romney due to the independents crowding onto Democrat ballots.
This would seem to all but end John McCain's presidential aspirations.
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Well, even if McCain can squeek out a win due to "fake Republicans" voting in an "open primary", Romney can still claim a BIG MARGIN amongst Conservatives.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at January 08, 2008 01:54 PM (eKIpW)
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Even if Romney comes in 2nd, he still leads in delegates, money, and numbers of people voting for him total. He is placing well in every state and doesn't use a tag team partner like Huckabee and McCain do. Go Mitt!
Posted by: Cory at January 08, 2008 02:03 PM (VqXuo)
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Sinking McCain sinks the Republicans this time, I'm afraid.
Posted by: El Jefe Maximo at January 08, 2008 02:05 PM (HVtOM)
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"Sinking McCain sinks the Republicans this time, I'm afraid."
And yet if we vote for McCain in the general we still won't have a Republican president no matter who wins.
Posted by: Pat at January 08, 2008 02:18 PM (lbEgX)
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Mitt must lose. he says all the right things, but what i glean from it all is a lack of authenticity. He just tells people what focus groups say they want to hear.
My own acquaintance with Latter Day Saints is such, that initially i was excited about the Romney campaign, and even gave him the benefit of the doubt on his flip-flops on abortion and SSM. The LDS people I know are honest to a fault, and hard working t a fault. While Mitt meets the second criteria, I just don't trust the man.
So for me, the Mormon factor was never an issue in the negative sense, in fact it weighed in his favour.
I like Mike Huckabee and his message, which is more christian in the true sense than any of the past "religious right" candidates.
However, I think the man for this hour in history s John McCain.
I may not agree with his every position, but at least I know he's going to tell me what I need to hear, not neccessarily what I want to hear.
I believe he is the best person to counter the Islamic radicals, and another problem: Vladimir Putin. He can go toe to toe with this new Comissar-Tsar.
Kudos to Mitt for bringing up the issue of the Peoples' republic of China as a threat to the economy, but it would have more resonance had he started talkingabout that earlier, instead of slinging mud at Mssrs. Huckabee and Mccain.
Finally, there's the electability factor. We smigly say that Hillary Clinton is not likeable. By nominating Mr Romney, the GOP would essentially be placing their own Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket.
McCain and Huckabee both score well on likeability and integrity. McCain and Giuliani score well on national security and dealing with/standing up to bad guys.
Mitt, ufortunately comes off as the man who's trying to be everything to everyone, and that simply does not work. In a tight spot, you need to rely on judgemnet and principles, there's no time to pull a focus group together.
Posted by: Neal Ford at January 08, 2008 02:31 PM (POmED)
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No one will vote for a 72 year old president. It is insane. McCain would be another Bob Dole and he has all of his characteristics such as insensitivity, inability to withhold his caustic nature due to his seniority in the senate etc. The liberal media fears Romney which is why they have been piling up on him. He's a true leader with an incredible history of success and intelligence. No one can call him stupid like they called Bush (who had the same GPA as Kerry)
Posted by: Max at January 08, 2008 02:32 PM (xgJzq)
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McCain's not a Republican - he's a RINO. How many of you can remember:
1. The Gang of 14.
2. The Keating 5.
3. McCain-Feingold.
4. Offering $50.00 per hour for picking lettuce for a whole season.
5. Voting against Bush tax cuts.
Need I mention any more? McCain and Republican are what I would call an oxymoron. Emphasis on "moron".
Posted by: Ron at January 08, 2008 02:36 PM (4YGpc)
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And there is always the possibility that Fred Thompson finishes on top in SC and he can beat Hillary or Obama.
Romney is great. McCain would never win. He might pull in independents, but the base would not turn out. Certainly not the Christian right he has often bashed, nor those who were paying attention to him during shamnesty, nor those who care about SCOTUS, or wonder why he stood with John Kerry and against the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Anthropogenic Causation of Global Warming is an issue near and dear in the heart of leftists who want to expand government, so why is John McCain embracing it? Anyone who thinks it really is about the environment needs to rethink it - and ask themselves why the advocates fly so many jets so often, and why they own big houses and big cars.... if they think it is a 'crisis'. It's about economics, so what is McCain doing? Creepy.
Romney or Thompson or Romney and Thompson, either way.
Posted by: Kathy at January 08, 2008 02:40 PM (W8PQG)
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Sounds like a good Democrat election. Vote early and often. I love tradition. It would be awesome to look at the driver's licenses.
Posted by: Flyoverman at January 08, 2008 02:51 PM (/ZYFC)
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While I don't vote single issue and am not an activist on this, I wonder why people call Mitt a flip flopper when he has changed from pro choice to pro life...?
Isnt' that the kind of change conservatives WANT to see in people? Isn't this a GOOD thing?
Changing the other way, or changing more than once, that would be a problem.
But name something other than abortion that mitt is an FF on... I don't understand anyone who says they don't trust him.
Posted by: Dave at January 08, 2008 02:52 PM (4WkoO)
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Ron Paul is steadily gaining, making good progress without blowing a lot of cash and energy.
Posted by: Schratboy at January 08, 2008 03:33 PM (V1ZX0)
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Why isn't anyone bringing up the fact that Obama is of Muslim background. He only recently changed to Catholic. I also had heard that he sworn on the Quran when he was sworn into office.
Comments please
Concerned voter......
Posted by: Rich at January 08, 2008 03:53 PM (+G+G6)
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Rich -
Obama wasn't sworn in on the Quran - check it:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Posted by: Bobby at January 08, 2008 04:44 PM (/Uidp)
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Not enough dem ballots? Sounds like the VRWC at work to me.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 08, 2008 04:56 PM (ERV3B)
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I rejected Huck because in Iowa he wore his cross on his sleeve and invoked the bible beyond reason. Therefore he won't win the general. If the Evangelicals reject Romney because he is a Morman, he won't win either. Insane Paul can't win. My main issues are Islamofascism and illegal aliens. So McCain is definitly out. Hunter is my first choice on these issues.
Posted by: Frank Lee at January 08, 2008 06:23 PM (1wL8P)
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Rick,
You are off on two out of two. Not only didn't Obama take his oath on the Quran, he also isn't Catholic. Your source for such might be a tad questionable.
Posted by: Denis at January 08, 2008 07:19 PM (XKRTZ)
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January 07, 2008
I Wouldn't Get Too Excited...
...over news that Osma Bin Laden's security coordinator
was captured in Lahore, Pakistan.
Not because it couldn't happen, but because the source is Pakistan's The Nation, the same news organization that reported the claim last week that Benazir Bhutto was killed by a laser.
As a result, I'd consider their credibility just a wee bit suspect.
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Iran Pushes Its Luck
Iranian Revolutionary Guard fast-attack boats came with 200 yards of American Navy vessels in the Strait of Hormuz Saturday, almost provoking American forces to
open fire:
Five Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats harassed and provoked three U.S. Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz, a major oil shipping route off the Iranian coast, over the weekend, CNN reported on Monday.
Citing unidentified U.S. officials, CNN said the Iranian vessels came within 200 yards (metres) of the U.S. ships in international waters in the strait on Saturday, and U.S. sailors came close to opening fire.
Oil prices rose about 30 cents to over $98 a barrel after the CNN report, with traders citing increased risk of disruptions to oil shipments along the key shipping route.
U.S. military officials told CNN the boats were "attack craft" that they believed were operated by Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard.
The Iranian boats made threatening maneuvers against the U.S. warships and threatening radio transmissions, the officials told CNN.
The captain of one U.S. vessel was in the process of giving the order to shoot when the Iranian ships began turning away, CNN said.
A radio transmission from one of the Iranian ships said, "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes," CNN reported, citing a U.S. official.
After the threatening radio communication, U.S. sailors manned their ships' guns and were very close to opening fire, it said.
There was no immediate U.S. comment.
If this account is accurate, these Iranian craft were literally within seconds of being destroyed. The order to fire was on the lips of the U.S. Navy captain as the Iranian boats threatened a suicide attack as they came in, only to turn away at the last second.
Occurring on the eve of President Bush's trip to the region which hoped to spur on the peace process between Israelis and Palestinians, the apparent attempt was to force American forces to defend themselves and trigger a new crisis between the United States and Iran.
As we look to tomorrow's primary in New Hampshire, I'm forced to consider how the various presidential candidate's would have responded if such a provocation had occurred on their watch.
I think it goes without saying that on the Democratic side the candidates are less than inspiring in this kind of crisis, with only Hillary giving me the slightest hope of anything less than a Carteresque response. I think the same holds true for Huckabee and Paul on the Republican side of the equation, and with his foreign policy "experience," I imagine Huckabee's first response would be to wonder why the Irish were mad at us in the first place, and reflexively issuing an executive order raising import taxes on Guinness in retaliation.
Romney may do okay in such a situation, but I know I'd rather have McCain or Thompson in office if it ever "hit the fan" with Iran, as indeed it may on the next President's watch.
We were apparently just seconds away from a shooting war this past Saturday.
Who would you want in office if when they try this again?
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Posted by: Snooper at January 07, 2008 10:46 AM (QaDHz)
Posted by: Mockin'bird at January 07, 2008 11:18 AM (tqGzh)
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Ditto -- .. thought the whole McCain/Feingold thing still doesn't sit well with me.
Posted by: Dan Irving at January 07, 2008 11:43 AM (zw8QA)
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My family always joked when a favorite show was canceled that we were too smart for the average. If a show was smart and funny, we could almost always count on it failing. Americans, on average, can be a box of rocks.
Thompson can't win because he is too smart for the box of rocks. When a presidential contender raises his hand to acknowledge a disbelief in evolution, we need to take that as a sign of inability to handle the job of President, unfortunately, the box of rocks thinks it has found a common soul..duh.
Me, I am a Thompson supporter.
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at January 07, 2008 11:50 AM (V09c+)
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We have the President I want in office if a conflict between Iran and us begins. McCain is not willing to do whatever it takes to protect the Nation. The rest are all unknown.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at January 07, 2008 12:39 PM (dsL94)
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Just wanted to say: It's "Iran pushes ITS luck", not "Iran pushes IT'S luck". From Wikipedia: "There are seven possessive pronouns in modern English: mine, yours, his, hers, its, ours, theirs."
As for the topic matter: those Iranians are crazy...
Posted by: Grammar Nazi at January 07, 2008 12:45 PM (RkwYf)
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...with so much trepidation and foreboding, I must remember to stock up on Guinness.
Posted by: everydayjoe at January 07, 2008 12:46 PM (d3xkN)
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thanks, GN. That was just
sloppy...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at January 07, 2008 01:32 PM (vxbTC)
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It is certainly fair to call the Iranians at large "crazy" but not because of this action. This is a classic probing attack intended to gauge the US response and perhaps provoke an incident spinnable by our own traitor class in this country as a justification for Iranian actions from the Embassy attack to killing our troops in Iraq and elsewhere. It was a success in the former and with repeats will lull our sailors into complacency until one of those floating boxes contains a limpet mine. I cannot believe that the phrase "USS Cole" is not accompanying all media treatment of this incident. The war with Iran is 30 years old. It is time we prosecute it.
Posted by: megapotamus at January 07, 2008 02:28 PM (LF+qW)
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CY,
Man I respect your judgement, and I love your blog... But McCain? Yes, he's been ok on Iraq, but less than inspiring in other areas of National Defense. Personally, I'd like to see Fred or Romney.
Jim C
Posted by: Jim C at January 07, 2008 04:58 PM (ON55K)
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Fred. I don't think McCain has the stones any longer. He's no longer a warrior imo. He''d be more worried about his press. I think Romney would also strike back and give a go order without too much hesitation.
Posted by: Laddy at January 07, 2008 05:37 PM (Q0Dnt)
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Well, we are coming up on the 20th anniversary of "Operation Praying Mantis" so maybe this is just nostalgia on the part of the Iranians.
Posted by: John F. MacMichael at January 07, 2008 07:47 PM (MiID8)
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Gee... I want Obama... he'd sit down and calmly talk to the Iranians, and everyone would love everyone, and there'd be free Pepsi, and condoms for all the free love festivals.
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NOT!--
Gimme Fred!
Posted by: C-C-G at January 07, 2008 07:51 PM (ojkss)
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What ever happened to the "shot across the bow" as a warning to aggressors? Wait let me guess it is no longer a PC ROE..?
Posted by: Joe buz at January 08, 2008 09:01 AM (YLGud)
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Steve Schippert, over at NRO's The Tank, thinks this stunt was primarily about Iran's manipulating oil prices. I think he has a good point.
Posted by: notropis at January 08, 2008 10:29 AM (OvDHA)
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Pajamas Media War on Terror Conversations
Claudia Rosett and Roger L. Simon braved the freezing New Hampshire temperatures last week to talk to Republican Presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani and John McCain about the War on Terror, in the latest of Pajamas Media's War on Terror Conversation series.
The Rudy Giuliani conversation is here.
The John McCain conversation is here.
An earlier conversation with Fred Thompson is here.
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Is it me or is Fred the only one that gets it?
Posted by: Snooper at January 07, 2008 09:34 AM (QaDHz)
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No, it's not just you (although you would be excused for thinking so). While other candidates in both parties are squabbling over who owns the copyright to the word
CHANGE, Fred is quietly making the best case that he's the only serious candidate in the race.
Bob, congrats on a nice job on Fred's interview with Roger Simon. I agree with Fred -- it was a thoughtful interview with appropriate time for a complete answer.
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DaybyDay Fundraiser
Chris Muir of DaybyDay—one of the best online cartoon series going—is
raising funds, and could certainly use your support.
Like most bloggers, Chris is not a full-time cartoonist, and DaybyDay takes up a tremendous amount of time to write, well, day by day.
Drop on over and toss him a couple of bucks, will you?
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January 04, 2008
A Blogger Dies at War
Blogger and soldier
Andrew Olmsted, who often posted as G-Kar at
Obsidian Wings, was killed in combat yesterday in Iraq. As far as you know, he was killed defending a village composed solely of innocent women and children from hundreds of insurgents.
Knowing the risks he took as a soldier, he composed a moving, reflective final post to be published in the event of his death.
In Major Olmstead's last paragraph he expressed doubts in an afterlife. I sincerely hope he finds himself today in Heaven, pleasantly surprised.
His writing is archived at http://www.andrewolmsted.com/
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Ave atque vale, frater.
Posted by: DaveP. at January 04, 2008 04:14 PM (1AZTv)
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CY, thanks for emailling me the heads-up on this. It just goes to show how much
less ideological differences are when set beside human tragedy.
Regards, C
Posted by: Cernig at January 04, 2008 05:07 PM (aKi/z)
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Rest in peace, Soldier.
THE FINAL INSPECTION
The soldier stood and faced his God,
Which must always come to pass.
He hoped his shoes were shining,
Just as brightly as his brass.
"Step forward now, you soldier,
How shall I deal with you?
Have you always turned the other cheek?
To My Church have you been true?"
The soldier squared his shoulders and said,
"No, Lord, I guess I ain't.
Because those of us who carry guns,
Can't always be a saint.
I've had to work most Sundays,
And at times my talk was tough.
And sometimes I've been violent,
Because the world is awfully rough.
But, I never took a penny,
That wasn't mine to keep...
Though I worked a lot of overtime,
When the bills got just too steep.
And I never passed a cry for help,
Though at times I shook with fear.
And sometimes, God, forgive me,
I've wept unmanly tears.
I know I don't deserve a place,
Among the people here.
They never wanted me around,
Except to calm their fears.
If you've a place for me here, Lord,
It needn't be so grand.
I never expected or had too much,
But if you don't, I'll understand."
There was a silence all around the throne,
Where the saints had often trod.
As the soldier waited quietly,
For the judgment of his God.
"Step forward now, you soldier,
You've borne your burdens well.
Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,
You've done your time in Hell."
Posted by: Bill Faith at January 04, 2008 05:45 PM (Ueqy8)
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This is such sad news. Words are inadequate.
Posted by: beth at January 04, 2008 07:29 PM (awyCJ)
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Bob..it has been a while.
This is sad news indeed. I am forwarding this to my son now serving in Iraq.
Posted by: Snooper at January 04, 2008 07:55 PM (QaDHz)
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I sincerely hope he finds himself today in Heaven, pleasantly surprised.
Bob, a man this great finds himself not in Heaven, but exploring beyond the rim with G'Kar and Dr. Franklin.
Posted by: TheEJS at January 04, 2008 08:12 PM (JyC8j)
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This is such sad news. Words are inadequate.
Posted by: beth at January 4, 2008 07:29 PM
she speaks words that are very true
Posted by: Butch at January 04, 2008 08:42 PM (/c9Cu)
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Whenever I read one that one of these fine young men has perished doing the job that needs to be done, I wish I was young enough again to go re-up and take his place.
God speed Major Olmstead, my heartfelt thanks and gratitude for your ultimate sacrifice, and my prayers for the ones you have left behind.
Review troops, long past review.
Posted by: Conservative CBU at January 04, 2008 08:49 PM (La7YV)
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What an individual. Just shows you how great our brave men and women truly are. And that they believe in what they are doing. WOW is about all I can say. AMEN. God Bless him and all our other brave protectors.
Jason
Posted by: Jason at January 04, 2008 09:50 PM (6ey40)
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My son lost his best friend in Iraq and then came back from Afghanistan with his body broken.
My heart goes out to MAJ Olmstead and, especially, to his bereaved loved ones.
Thank you, MAJ O., for your service to our country!
Posted by: m. r. o'donnell at January 05, 2008 01:58 AM (RcUPg)
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the forces of censorship never learn...
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9365/censoredpostsm5.png
http://www.freeimagehost.eu/image/c287b71968298
Posted by: censorship_never_works at January 06, 2008 02:55 AM (SyATH)
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"Censorship" you didn't give a rats ass about the immense suffering and deaths of ordinary Iraqis under Saddam, so your well thought out comments stink of nothing more than unintelligent bias.
However, Maj Olmsted, as a member of the US Military, the group of people you soley blame of inflicting death on ordinary Iraqi's, defended your right to voice such drivel.
Bu he also defended the right for any website administrator to delete any comments they chose on their website for any reason, especially if they find the comments inappropriate to the subject at hand.
Would you dare attend the funeral or memorial service of a soldier and in the midst of those paying respect and mourning make the same outlandish remarks you made on what is the 'virtual' equivalent of a memorial service to this man.
And if you did, and they had you removed from the premises, it would not be an act of censorship.
There is a time and place for everything.That you are incapable of understanding that speaks to your mental state.
So take your bogus concerns for deaths of Iraqis and your bogus claims of censorship and shove them where your head is obviously spending a great deal of time. In Basra these past two months, the ONLY people killing Iraqis are OTHER IRAQIS.
Posted by: Huntress at January 06, 2008 09:57 AM (SfNIo)
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Major Andrew Olmsted
May Angels Sing Thee To Thy Rest, Sweet Prince.
Godspeed!
Hooah!
Posted by: Huntress at January 06, 2008 09:58 AM (SfNIo)
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Hey, "censorship_never_works", would you say the same things about those Powers That Be on DailyKos or DemocraticUnderground who routinely delete conservative comments and/or users?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 06, 2008 11:01 AM (ojkss)
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Obsidian Wings is largely a left leaning blog, and hilzoy, who posted Maj. Olmsted's final post is most assuredly a lefty. That said, the thread linked was one to remember and grieve for Maj. Olmsted. And you, "censorship", are a Grade A douchebag for politicking on a thread where it was expressly discouraged in order to honor the memory of their fallen friend.
Would you dare attend the funeral or memorial service of a soldier and in the midst of those paying respect and mourning make the same outlandish remarks you made on what is the 'virtual' equivalent of a memorial service to this man.
Huntress, I suspect that he would and that the only thing that would prevent him from doing so is cowardice. Simple decency and/or respect would not enter into his equation.
Thank you, Andy. May your sacrifice be eternally rewarded.
Posted by: Pablo at January 06, 2008 01:13 PM (yTndK)
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Pablo, "censorship" has already violated Major Olmstead's wishes... the late Major wrote:
I do ask (not that I'm in a position to enforce this) that no one try to use my death to further their political purposes. I went to Iraq and did what I did for my reasons, not yours. My life isn't a chit to be used to bludgeon people to silence on either side. If you think the U.S. should stay in Iraq, don't drag me into it by claiming that somehow my death demands us staying in Iraq. If you think the U.S. ought to get out tomorrow, don't cite my name as an example of someone's life who was wasted by our mission in Iraq. I have my own opinions about what we should do about Iraq, but since I'm not around to expound on them I'd prefer others not try and use me as some kind of moral capital to support a position I probably didn't support. Further, this is tough enough on my family without their having to see my picture being used in some rally or my name being cited for some political purpose. You can fight political battles without hurting my family, and I'd prefer that you did so.
And so, of course, a lefty has to do just what the late Major asked him not to.
I could go on, but that would be to do myself what I am accusing "censorship" of... and I have already trodden perilously close to that line, so I won't step further in that direction.
I will just say, I wish "censorship" had the guts of Major Olmstead, to step into harm's way to protect others.
Posted by: C-C-G at January 06, 2008 03:51 PM (ojkss)
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Feeling the loss; RIP Maj. Andrew Olmsted.
MAJ Andrew Olmsted was killing in action January 3, 2008, and I just do not have any words to say how sorry I am to his family and friends. ... He did leave us one last post which he gave to hilzoy to post in such a case as this. So at least he deafed the grips of death with a final farewell. An excerpt:
PS. Thank you, Confederate Yankee, for bringing this to our attention. I just wish it could have been on brighter terms.
Posted by: Rosemary's Thoughts at January 08, 2008 05:44 AM (bNd+s)
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Harper's Horton Scandals Heat Up
Horton Hears a Boo: Journalistic Hijinks at Harper's Exposed is now up at
Pajamas Media and has already been linked by both
Instapundit and
Powerline.
It turns out that Harper's writer Scott Horton, who has been a leading cheerleader for imprisoned Associated Press photographer and terrorism suspect Bilal Hussein, was a former investigator for Hussein's defense team, a disclosure that he has failed to make in his recent attacks against the U.S. military's handling of the Hussein case.
This particular bit of journalistic malpractice is unrelated to another budding scandal surrounding Horton's still unsupported August 24 claim that an unnamed "thuggish neocon" journalist fabricated a story while Horton was in Iraq.
Repeatedly pressed for comment and proof of the anonymous article Horton alludes to, Harper's Editor Roger D. Hodge, Managing Editor Ellen Rosenbush, Vice President of Public Relations Giulia Melucci and Horton have thus far refused to support or retract his claim. Hodge, Rosenbush, and Melucci were contacted as recently as December 30, but remain mute, apparently hoping to stonewall their way through this scandal.
In light of these developments, perhaps Andrew Sullivan may want to reconsider his statement that, "Scott Horton has as much integrity as anyone I know."
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"Scott Horton has as much integrity as anyone I know."
--Andrew Sullivan
Well, strictly speaking, Sullivan's words may be precisely the truth.
Posted by: Bill Smith at January 04, 2008 10:45 AM (WflwE)
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Could Horton have been fabricating and debunking charges against Bilal in the safety of his own mind? With an apparent huge ego and need for publicity, that may be the case.
Scott Horton, super lawyer, patriot, human rights advocate, partisan hack jouralist extraordinaire badly in need of an ethics refresher.
Posted by: daleyrocks at January 04, 2008 11:00 AM (0pZel)
Posted by: Dusty at January 04, 2008 11:23 AM (GJLeQ)
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Ooh! Ooh! Can I be the thuggish neocon?
Posted by: Peter at January 04, 2008 03:23 PM (AiJXe)
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I agree with Bill's comment!
Posted by: Huntress at January 06, 2008 09:59 AM (SfNIo)
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"Scott Horton has as much integrity as anyone I know."
That says more about Sullivan than Horton.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2008 10:41 PM (ERV3B)
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