May 23, 2008
Getting it Right
As human beings, journalists make mistakes. We (I pretend at being one from time to time and actually get paid for it, so I have to include myself) sometimes make a lot of mistakes, or a string of mistakes.
People understand that. They get that we make mistakes—and get this—actually find us more credible when we admit just how badly we screwed up a story, as long as we explained how it happened, and make an honest effort to improve. when we bury our heads in the sand, and refuse to admit obvious mistakes or failures in our reporting, assumptions, editing, or conclusions, we hurt only ourselves.
Right, Dan?
I've been advocating that approach for quite a while now and hope I practice what I preach. At least one person believes I'm doing okay, though I know there is plenty of room for improvement.
Another person I know who constantly works to improve his work is Michael Yon. I don't think he needs much introduction to my readership, and his work as a combat journalist has always stood on its own. Yon is also big on focusing on integrity as a writer, and it is something he has harped on on his site, in interviews, on the phone, and he tells me in his book as well, which I will eventually read once somebody starts sleeping through the night.
Yon published a military memo on his site Wednesday which quickly got the attention of the online community. The sourcing was solid. It was authentic, no doubt about it.
Many bloggers, the military community, and their supporters were quickly outraged over the content of the memo, which alleged that military uniformed personnel we being targeted for verbal abuse by anti-war fanatics. Just as quickly, online anti-war activists claimed that this was false, even noting (though they phrased it differently) that they were too craven and cowardly to berate men and women that could easily beat them into pulp.
I was immediately interested by the report and posted on it, and thought it might be something interesting to follow up on in more detail.
As I did so, Yon pointed out via email that some in his comments were calling it a hoax, and asked me to pursue the story. You can ready about what I found in a post this morning at Pajamas Media.
Now, that may not sound like a big deal, but when was the last time that a journalist at one newspaper encouraged a journalist at another to follow up on his work and check for inconsistencies? How often does it even occur within the same news organization? It very well may happen. In fact, I hope it does... but we don't often see the results of such a check-up, and far to many times we see stories that are utterly false that go uncorrected—*cough*—Brian Ross—*cough*—and the same mistakes or falsehoods reiterated another day.
Yon is interested in getting it right. Perhaps if our journalistic class was more interested in getting it right instead of just getting it out while feigning perfection, the public's respect for them wouldn't be collapsing.
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Perhaps if our journalistic class was more interested in getting it right instead of just getting it out while feigning perfection...
It's worse than that. Too many of them want to get something out that will bulldoze public opinion in the correct direction, and the fact-gathering process needn't be complete, but only sufficient to accomplish that aim.
Posted by: Micropotamus at May 23, 2008 11:42 AM (YeWPs)
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More kudos to you and Yon
Micro has it very right as well. Ever since Watergate, almost every MSM 'journalist' is/has been trying for that "seminal scoop". Whether the facts actually support their preconceived conclusion or not.
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2008 02:05 PM (4od5C)
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I heard The New Republic does it all the time...
And speaking of double checking...
You might want to take a look at this AP facade
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2rT2wzhviymfyfyRdmdKw6tciagD90O9DJ80
by the same guy who worked with others to write the Nogunri (infamous) famous article.
Another blogger has taken it apart fairly well:
http://rokdrop.com/2008/05/20/rehashing-korean-war-era-executions/
But I thought this was up your ally and might be something your readers would like to know about.
Posted by: usinkorea at May 23, 2008 02:15 PM (cwn6C)
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Read the post and the memo.
It doesn't sound like much any way around.
The memo didn't seem to me like it was offering much of an alarm. Having lived in South Korea, and having watched a lot of the armed forces network, to catch shows in English, you see all kinds of public service announcements.
Someone heard of an incident involving a uniformed soldier and someone shouting anti-war items and sent out a fairly tame memo.
I could see myself doing the same if my job in the military had to do with public safety or public relations.
It isn't as if a Defense Department spokesman went on CNN claiming frequent physical attacks on GIs in DC by anti-war activists....
Posted by: usinkorea at May 23, 2008 02:27 PM (cwn6C)
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usinkorea: The attacks start in subtle ways. Those of us who have been through it once are probably more sensitive to the subject. We've seen how teachers work it, telling innocent 7 year olds that "God doesn't listen to prayers for baby killers," landlords saying, "no pets, no soldiers/sailors," employers saying, "you might get transferred or try to push a military agenda, so I can't hire you." After that is when it becomes more blatant. Nasty ridiculing remarks in stores, malls, at the gas station, even in church, spitting, garbage cans of raw sewage dumped on a member in uniform, picket lines with screaming a$$holes outside your residence or place of business, your car keyed because it has a base sticker.
We remember! We have promised never to let it happen again.
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May 22, 2008
Welcome to the Show!
Yochi J. Dreazen posts an article titled
U.S. Delays Report on Iran Arms in the
Wall Street Journal, May 21:
The U.S. military, in a shift, has postponed the release of a report detailing allegations of Iranian support for Iraqi insurgents, according to people familiar with the matter.
The military had initially planned to publicize the report several weeks ago but instead turned the dossier over to the Iraqi government, these people said. The Iraqis are using the information to pressure Tehran to curb the flow of Iranian weaponry and explosives into Iraq, these people said.
Me, writing here at Confederate Yankee on May 8 in a post titled Why You Won't See the Iranian Weapons We've Captured in Iraq:
...hopes of a diplomatic solution between Iran and Iraq have forestalled the U.S. military press conference displaying captured weaponry first expected in Baghdad over a week ago.
The press conference was delayed in hopes that an Iraqi delegation to Tehran bearing evidence of Iranian weapons captured by U.S. and Iraqi forces in recent fighting could resolve the issue as a matter between the two neighboring states.
Unsurprisingly, Iran has disputed the evidence, and as a result, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has ordered a special committee to compile evidence captured by both American and Iraqi forces. Once the evidence is compiled, it is hoped that this would help inform the committee in putting forth a coherent Iraqi policy on Iranian involvement in smuggling weapons into Iraq. That policy will be presented to the Iranian government in hopes of stopping Iranian smuggling of weapons and preclude a conflict between the two nations, according to U.S. military sources. Iran and Iraq fought a war from 1980-88 that claimed approximately one million lives when Saddam Hussein ruled Iraq, and the political goals of neither Shia-dominated government would be well-served by a return to conflict.
Perhaps by June, the media will also come to my conclusion on what this means to Iranq/Iran relations, as well.
It is getting harder and harder for the media to keep up with the turn of events in Iraq. Many had been wedded to the "quagmire" theory of assumed stasis leading to assured defeat and withdrawal, a theory still coveted by most senior Democrats and the online activist left. They bitterly cling to this theory because of the amount of political capital they have invested in it, even though that theory is being directly countered by evidence mounting at a blistering pace.
Iraq is not free from terror or outside influence and will not be for years to come, but the facts are that the insurgent groups, terrorist organizations, and rogue militias in Iraq are collapsing before the onslaught of increasingly fierce and competent Iraqi security forces, civilian-provided intelligence, and gutsy civilian leadership, backed by U.S. forces. We'll leave it for the historians to decide at which point the corner was turned and victory was assured, but some things are certain.
Anyone still attempting to claim that coalition and Iraqi forces are fighting in a lost cause or a endless quagmire as of mid-May, 2008, is doing so in direct opposition to the facts on the ground.
Your only response should be wondering what they are trying to sell you, and why.
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CY - You deserve a big pat on the back for being ahead for your analysis.
One correction suggestion: "Perhaps by June, the media will also come to my conclusion on what this means to Iran/Iran relations, as well."
Iran/Iraq?
Posted by: Mark at May 22, 2008 10:36 AM (4od5C)
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Obammy has married himself to defeat. McCain, whatever his many flaws and errors, has married himself to victory. I have long thought that Hillary, whatever her campaign stances, would fight the war aggressively once in office and responsible for our security. That, of course, is one of the things that dooms her in the primary. In any event, we will have a clear choice, at least on the war. That is if Barry doesn't walk back his positions any more. Maybe he is educable himself after all. Sadly, Dem primary voters are not.
Posted by: megapotamus at May 22, 2008 12:06 PM (LF+qW)
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The elephant in the room is that the Left could concede the point that Iraq has been won, thank Bush for more or less destroying al Qaeda and quickly move on to the position it had on 10-Sept-2001.
The conservatives and Republicans would probably regret the day that this happened, but, thankfully, the Left see this as a lose-lose situation.
Posted by: Neo at May 22, 2008 05:01 PM (Yozw9)
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Let me guess - the Iraqis do not want to make this a public issue yet because they do not feel secure in their own forces yet. As that belief in the steadiness of the Iraqi forces becomes stronger Iraq will take a harder stance towards Iran. Perhaps they are being over-cautious, but I guess they are putting the screws on the Mahdi Army and other groups so that they can then turn and publicly say "Butt out" and be confident they can make it stick.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 22, 2008 06:51 PM (TUWci)
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"...move on to the position it had on 10-Sept-2001."
Move? They are already there.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 22, 2008 06:53 PM (TUWci)
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...thank Bush for more or less destroying al Qaeda...
And that right there, Neo, is why they'll never do it. The lefties will thank Bush for something about the same time lions become vegetarians, and not before.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 22, 2008 07:29 PM (WLr2t)
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The Left in this country has never really gotten over our defeat of the USSR. For those of us who remember the Cold War, we remember how most Democrats were committed to losing that war.
Now we have a new war for them to try to lose. And winning this one is driving them completely around the bend (a short drive, admittedly).
Posted by: iconoclast at May 23, 2008 12:37 AM (xgHWw)
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Your correct icono.They didnt like when we won over the russkis,they didnt like it when kicked ass on Tet,and they damn sure dont the fact that Pres.Bush has done something right in Iraq. Just saying.
Posted by: 1903A3 at May 23, 2008 08:17 AM (0JFRo)
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PS.. I agree w/Mark CY, Outstanding job!
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May 21, 2008
He Says, She Says: The Propaganda War Continues In Iraq
Associated Press reporter Bushra Juhi:
Two Iraqi officials said the shooting occurred about 5:30 a.m. in the Obeidi neighborhood after three roadside bombs targeted joint U.S.-Iraqi troops. But the U.S. military said its forces were not involved in any events in the area.
It was not clear who opened fire after the explosions. Eleven bystanders were killed and one person wounded, one of the police officials said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to release the information.
AP Television News footage showed the body of a man in a track suit covered by a blue blanket and another body in a blood-spattered wooden coffin nearby.
AFP offers a near identical account also claiming 11 bystanders (innocence implied) were killed, in accounts obviously coming from the same Iraqi police sources. Insurgents and their sympathizers have routinely masqueraded as police officers throughout the war, and news outlets have dutifully published their accounts, many of which we later determined to be entirely false.
SGT Brooke N. Murphy, MNF-I PAO, responded immediately to these claims via email:
We can definitely state there was no IED attack on a U.S.-Iraqi convoy
in Obeidi at dawn this a.m. That's not talking about any particular
area, we do not discuss ongoing operations. I can state we specifically
target those committing a violent act or about to commit a violent act.
We would warn residents against moving toward any engagement, especially
when armed. We absolutely do not target law-abiding Iraqi citizens.
So there were not 11 (innocent) bystanders killed. Who died? Anyone? As a matter of fact, yes.
Murphy then sent a breaking MNF-I release that states that 11 Iranian-backed "Special Groups" forces were killed in New Baghdad:
Multi-National Division - Baghdad Soldiers have killed 11 Special Group (SG) criminals in an ongoing operation in the New Baghdad security district in eastern Baghdad, May 21.
MND-B Soldiers observed as a special groups militant, armed with an AK-47 assault rifle, exited a sports utility vehicle. The individual scanned the area and motioned a suspicious truck forward. Then Soldiers then watched as the militants emplaced an improvised-explosive device.
They engaged the suspect with small-arms fire and killed him.
Nearby, MND-B Soldiers encountered four SG militants, who were armed with AK-47 and RPK rifles, travelling in a SUV. They engaged the vehicle and killed the four militants.
MND-B Soldiers engaged and killed another SG militant carrying a rocket-propelled grenade. At another location in New Baghdad, MND-B Soldiers noticed a SG militant armed with a modified AK-47, who was conducting reconnaissance from a vehicle in a suspicious manner. The Soldiers engaged the armed SG militant and killed him.
Nearby, MND-B Soldiers spotted a militant in an alley. The SG militant moved away from the alley, holding an AK-47 in a firing position. An MND-B Soldier engaged and killed him. Another SG militant, who was driving a tan SUV in New Baghdad, made several passes by MND-B Soldiers.
He stopped the vehicle and attempted to hand an AK-47 to his SG militant cohorts. An MND-B Soldier shot and killed him.
Who do you trust to have the story right, the anonymous media robo-calling police sources, or a named Army soldier issuing formal releases?
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After the Byrding of Haditha, Abu Grahib, Beauchamp and a host of others I think we can safely conclude that many of our citizens believe the worst of our fighting forces WITHOUT any evidence of any sort.
Posted by: megapotamus at May 21, 2008 11:29 AM (LF+qW)
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CY. Can you please link the last part? Thanks.
Posted by: Eric at May 21, 2008 10:07 PM (9V6Vj)
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at May 23, 2008 08:14 AM (oC8nQ)
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Neither of your links address the topic you were talking about. Are you eating paint chips?
Posted by: Eric at May 23, 2008 02:41 PM (9V6Vj)
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Any time you see "It was not clear who ... ", it's usually clear enough "who."
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But They Support the Troops
Michael Yon emailed early this morning to warn me American soldiers are being given a travel warning by the federal government.
The sad part? It isn't overseas, but related to what are now only verbal assaults on the Washington, D.C. metro.
Recently, there have been local incidents in which military personnel have been verbally assaulted while commuting on the Metro. Uniformed members have been approached by individuals expressing themselves as anti-government, shouting anti-war sentiments, and using racial slurs against minorities.
It sounds like we've got a few disciples of the William Ayers/Bernadine Dohrn wing of the Democrat Party still active. Fringe leftists haven't murdered uniformed government officials since 2002 in anti-war, anti-government violence, but it is an election year, and tensions are already running high.
This isn't the kind of "hope" and "change" I think most of us expected.
5/27 Update: This one is for those authors and moderators of blog entries at the Village Voice, as they don't seem willing to correct misinformation they spread even after being contacted by both Michael Yon and myself. Despite their assertions to the contrary, I went to great lengths to correct this story, spurred on by Yon.
I not only wrote the Pajamas Media article debunking the substance of this claim; I also wrote a separate article for this very blog, though I didn't update this particular post, because at that point, this post was old news pushed well down the digital page. Perhaps I should have done so.
That doesn't excuse Edroso's laziness and unwillingness to actually read the blogs he claims to for the Voice, or for their unwillingness to publish my response to them as of 5:47 PM today.
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The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the -
Web Reconnaissance for 05/21/2008 A short recon of whatÂ’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at May 21, 2008 10:28 AM (gIAM9)
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The Metro always has lots of passengers. The troops will have to how restraint.
I hope other passengers come to the defence of the troops.
Posted by: davod at May 21, 2008 11:18 AM (llh3A)
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And it seems that the authorities are suggesting that military folks travel in civvies if possible, rather in those 'provocative' uniforms.
That's wrong. Whatever happened to 'millions for defense, and not one cent for tribute'?
Hiding out in civvies is a form of appeasement. Will the dear little lefties like us better if we look more like them?
Joe Lieberman nailed it yesterday, with a surprising quote from none other than Dean Acheson: "No people in history have ever survived, who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies".
And that goes in spades to our military personnel, who will never make themselves inoffensive to our domestic enemies by hiding out of uniform. Better to confront the beast in the open, and make public the savage behavior of the anti-American goons (whose parents were the ones spitting on returning Viet Nam vets, and who never were properly called to account).
And maybe, indeed, someone will step out of the crowd and forthrightly shorten the proboscis of one or more of the uniform-attackers. We can only hope.
Posted by: Micropotamus at May 21, 2008 01:11 PM (YeWPs)
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Shades of Vietnam. I remember when the word went out in the Navy, no more uniforms worn off base, no more "military" haircuts that would make you stand out, even when in civvies, cautions on when to show your military ID card as identification. We were even cautioned by one ship's command to not hang "welcome home" banners for our loved ones when the ship returned from a 9 month deployment so as not to "offend" the neighbors and draw attention to ourselves.
When I hear stories like this post, it angers me to my very core.
Posted by: Sara at May 21, 2008 02:00 PM (Wi/N0)
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I remember those good old days too. When a fellow graduate student learned I was a veteran at our first departmental orientation party, he said "you don't belong here you fascist. We'll get rid of you."
I earned a MA with thesis and nine hours toward a PHD in four semesters. When a job counselor told a Navy friend and me we needed to hide our military past if we wanted good employment, I dropped out and farmed. Sad to say some of those grad students grew up to become college professors who warp our children's minds.
Posted by: James at May 21, 2008 02:54 PM (7Plbe)
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I ride the DC Metro everyday and I haven't see any of this behavior, but I'm not near the Yellow line. Every troop I see in Union Station gets a handshake and a "Thank You".
Posted by: Jonn Lilyea at May 21, 2008 05:15 PM (H9PcE)
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To heck with that! Wear the uniform properly and PROUDLY. I did. They'll only make comments once, if properly "counselled".
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at May 21, 2008 07:32 PM (GAL+4)
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Sooner or later, one of these anti-war folks will go just a little too far, in front of reasonable witnesses, and the soldier/sailor/airman/marine will teach them why you don't mess with someone who's been trained for combat.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 21, 2008 07:45 PM (ub+LC)
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CCG: I hope not, because then the soldier/sailor/airman/marine will get busted by his chain of command. This is the 'Zero Tolerance' military, and getting into fights while in uniform (and especially busting up a civvie while in uniform) may very well be a career-ender... certainly will be a career-ender if the anti-military jerk in question manages to get his story (about how he was assaulted by a vicious, sadistic Bushitler-clone murderer-in-uniform, just for exercising his patriotic right to dissent) into the media.
I'd rather them have to put up with a few minutes of obnoxious behavior by a total jerk than have them wreck their careers by acting out.
I didn't say it was right, I just said that's what will happen.
Posted by: DaveP. at May 21, 2008 08:47 PM (3Aj1g)
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True, Dave, but then again, just one of them getting their nose bloodied might convince a fair number not to try anything with the uniformed services. A lot (note, I didn't say all) of the anti-war types are plain and simple cowards, and won't take a chance on getting hurt by someone who is willing to make a sacrifice (his career) to make it easier for his buddies to walk around in the uniform they're honored to be able to wear.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 21, 2008 10:48 PM (WLr2t)
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My uncle told me that when he came back from Germany in the 70's, some hippy threw a bottle of urine at him when he was in uniform.
I filed that in the memory banks.
Posted by: brando at May 21, 2008 11:14 PM (LXoqQ)
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CCG - It's not the member of the military (in uniform or not) who needs to confront these idiots. It's you, me, and the rest of us who truly support the troops! As was said above by John Lilyea...walk up to the Soldier/Sailor/Airman/Marine/Coast Guard, tell them "Thank you", and shake their hands. If they are being harrassed by some unwashed miscreant, do this IN FRONT of them and then put yourself between. Don't say anything to the loser(s). It is better YOU get assaulted than the member of the military...plus, YOU have more ability to defend yourself in this case than the uniformed S/S/A/M/CG.
Posted by: Mark at May 22, 2008 10:48 AM (4od5C)
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It just so happens that I'm going to be in DC over the 4th of July on R&R... maybe I should wear my ACUs and roll around on the Metro for a few hours and see if anyone has anything to say to me? Mind you I stand 6 Foot 4 and Weigh in at 360 Lbs... and not a bit of it fat... (hence the handle 'Big Country')
Wonder how many hippies I can fit into one of them there garbage cans/recycle bins? It'll be reeeeeaaally interesting to see.
Posted by: Big Country at May 22, 2008 02:54 PM (niydV)
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Mark, your suggestion and mine are not mutually exclusive... why not do both?
Posted by: C-C-G at May 22, 2008 05:51 PM (WLr2t)
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Remember, phone cameras are a big help.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 22, 2008 07:04 PM (TUWci)
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Because it would be 'bad' for the service member to retaliate in any way. Now, if they were to be seen 'helping' a civilian supporter against a vile miscreant, the I agree with you. Thanks to Mikey for a way to document such an event.
Posted by: Mark at May 22, 2008 07:52 PM (KDHro)
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But, see, none of this actually is happening.
Just as not one soldier was spat upon by hippies during/after Vietnam. It's all a myth.
How do I know? Profs tell me so:
http://www.amazon.com/Spitting-Image-Memory-Legacy-Vietnam/dp/0814751474
So, when you read about it happening today, understand that it's not
really happening. And if it is,
pace Jerry Lembcke, it's actually
conservatives doing it, out of disrespect for the troops (for not having won).
Of course, it's all in the definitions. Apparently, somewhere along the line, Lembcke concluded that if there weren't ENOUGH stories in the press, and no film of soldiers/sailors/Marines/airmen being spat upon, it didn't happen. And if it didn't happen to
every soldier/sailor/Marine/airmen, then the whole thing is an "urban legend," made up in the aftermath by conservatives.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/04/30/debunking_a_spitting_image/
And, yes, Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.
Posted by: Lurking Observer at May 22, 2008 08:10 PM (9Dnrq)
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Whether happening or not...my point still remains that our duty is to protect Service Members if such an occasion arises.
Posted by: Mark at May 23, 2008 02:57 PM (4od5C)
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Remember one thing here. If one of those idiots assaults you, the service member is duty bound to protect you.
Posted by: Eric at May 24, 2008 05:45 PM (9V6Vj)
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so where's the correction bob? you figured it out in pm, why not update here?
Posted by: rapid at May 27, 2008 03:18 PM (oEV28)
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so where's the correction bob? you figured it out in pm, why not update here?
I did, slick. Folks don't often read updates pushed well down the page, so I made an entirely new post out of it and emailed dozens of bloggers on the subject. I'll post a link here as a formality, but as I've posted now two additional articles on the subject, I'm not sure I see what good it will do.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 27, 2008 04:36 PM (HcgFD)
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May 20, 2008
Third Cop Found Guilty in Botched Atlanta Raid; War Contagion Probably to Blame
Arthur Tesler has been found guilty of making false statements in a case resulting from the shooting death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched Atlanta drug raid. Gregg Junnier and Jason Smith were two other officers involved in the raid who have already pled guilty to federal conspiracy charges.
Smith was profiled in a botched New York Times article claiming that veterans were responsible for a disproportionate number of violent crimes.
Expect the Times to now explain how Smith's war-related violence became contagious and affected Junnier and Tesler.
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Ted Kennedy Diagnosed With Brain Tumor
The
specific diagnosis has yet to be determined, but it is believed to be a malignant glioma, which could mean he has anywhere from 1-5 years to live depending on how aggressive the tumor is.
Our prayers go out to the Kennedy family.
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I've been really impressed by what's been written about Kennedy here and at Malkin's blog. Way to put politics by the wayside for this post. It's good to see that even when this country is so divided, some people still recognize when families need our prayers. Guess it's the southern heritage.
Posted by: Juan Manuel de Rosas at May 20, 2008 02:23 PM (OEj00)
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In 1956 when my step father was a USN Commander, he woke up and looked in the mirror at two images of himself. The Navy sent him to Bethesda and they gave him an eye patch. A few months later, the problem went away.
In 1963 at a party at his brother-in-law's in Birmingham, he had a horrible headache. Beau was a very tough guy, Ga Tech football player and WWII SeaBee. One of the guests was a neurosurgeon who suspected the worst and, of course, he was right. The craniotomy at Bethesda took 8 hours and removed an egg sized tumor which was "benign."
In 1977 when I was stationed at Clark AB, Philippines, he had another tumor. It too was "benign." Before his operation, he told mother to put him in a VA hospital and go on with her life. He never really recovered. He could not speak. It was awful seeing a Magna Cum Laude Harvard MBA reduced to nodding his head and drooling on a bib. In 1983, he died in a VA hospital in West Virginia. We buried him at Arlington in a wonderful ceremony.
Ted Kennedy is where daddy was in 1977. It is difficult to describe the pain and suffering. Although we could not be more different politically, I hope he has a better life than Beau.
Arch
Posted by: arch at May 20, 2008 05:17 PM (pKbp9)
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Juan:
That is because we on the right tend to feel the left is just wrong about things.
Many on the left think everybody who doesn't row to the drum beat they beat out is Evil and Must Be Done In.
I really don't like Teddy on so very many levels. . . but a Brain Tumor is so very unpleasant, I'd not like for him to suffer through it.
Now imagine MyDD, Kos, and the DU if this were any Republican other than Olympia Snow, or Lincoln Chaffe
Posted by: JP at May 20, 2008 05:20 PM (Tae/a)
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Prayers are going up for Teddy.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 20, 2008 05:26 PM (ub+LC)
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JP -
Yeah, those on the right exhibit nothing but class, like this guy: http://ultra-conservative.blogspot.com/2008/05/ted-kenedy-has-brain.html
That took about 5 seconds to find.
Beware of gross generalizations -- on any side.
Posted by: Notnowjohn at May 20, 2008 09:06 PM (lxlUq)
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GENTLEmen.
While I am all for tearing each other to bits (anyone who's hung around here for more than a day or so should know that), there is a time and a place for it.
This is neither.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 20, 2008 10:20 PM (ub+LC)
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Kennedy is a vile man..the manor of his demise changes that not one bit.I will not gloat over his condition nor will I pretend to be sorry.
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Posted by: thud at May 21, 2008 06:23 PM (F4/Qg)
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Indeed, it is proper for us all to offer prayers and what comfort we can to those who suffer and the same to those who love them. This has always been a clear dividing line between conservatives and the far left.
However, it's important to remember that we know beyond any doubt that Senator Kennedy is a traitor. Recall, if you will, that he actually wrote to the leadership of the Soviet Union during the cold war asking their aid in subverting US policy, policy formulated by a Republican administration of course. It would be hard to imagine, a clearer example of treason.
We should surely feel pity and sympathy here, but let's not enlarge him beyond what he is, nor praise unpraiseworthy conduct and character (notice how I've refrained from mentioning Mary Jo Kopechne, who remains unavailable for comment).
Posted by: Mike at May 21, 2008 10:05 PM (niRCJ)
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Perhaps, Mike, my reticence comes from the fact that I know what the Kennedy family is going through.
I have a cousin--who, by the way, is anything but a conservative in politics or lifestyle--who had a malignant brain tumor some years ago. Through a combination of medical science and--at least I believe--prayer, the tumor has shrunk to where it cannot be detected any more. But during the time when she was being treated, we all went through a sort of a living hell not knowing what was going to happen to her next; for those of us who work in the medical industry, it was worse, because we knew the risks and the chances for success.
My cousin's politics mattered not one whit to any of us; we all suffered right along with her. I'd not wish that kind of suffering on anyone, not even Osama's family.
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Obama Aide: We'll meet with Any "Appropriate" Genocidally-Minded, Holocaust-Denying Iranian Leader Without Preconditions... Not Just Ahmadinejad.
Oh, I feel
much better now.
File this as another reason Bush would want to strike Iran—and hard—before the end of his term.
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Don't forget, yesterday Saint Obama proclaimed that Iran was a "tiny country" and not a serious threat.
Today, of course, Iran is a "grave threat."
So is a "grave threat" better or worse than a "serious threat"?
Can we get a color-coded Obama threat scale, like the Homeland Security "threat level" thingy?
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Bush to Attack Iran Before Leaving Office
So says the Jerusalem
Post, citing Army Radio, citing an anonymous Israeli government official, citing someone he says is "a senior member of the president's entourage."
Why, it's just like hearing it from Bush directly!
Responsible journalists don't run stories this poorly sourced as a rule, but exceptions are almost always made when the stories are sensational enough, and the story is something that journalists, editors, and many readers want to believe. That is why variations of this story of an impending attack on Iran have been recurring for the past couple of years, and no doubt will continue until President Bush leaves 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, at which point the same rumors will be passed down to (hopefully) President McCain.
The story repeats because elements of it ring true enough for those convinced that a military strike against against the world's foremost sponsor of terrorism and arms used to kill American soldiers since 1983 is an act of a fascist dictatorship, and also for those that have the good sense to recognize that reducing the capabilities of a rogue nuclear and asymmetrical warfare threat promising genocide as a matter of state policy is a common sense act of survival for the greater good of man.
It is quite possible that certain events before January of 2009 could trigger preemptive strikes upon Iran by the present Administration, Israel, or perhaps even both nations acting in concert. I rather doubt such rumor-mongering helps anyone, however, beyond creating full employment in Palestinian phone banks calling on behalf of the pacifist candidate Obama.
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And then when Bush doesn't attack Iran, the liberals will say "see, we said he wouldn't!" or "we stopped the warmonger!" or, after Iran has nuclear weapons "Bush should have attacked Iran!"
You can never win with the left, since they have have no sanity
Posted by: William Teach at May 20, 2008 10:53 AM (cuTsc)
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To be precise CY, Iran isn't really a dictatorship. There isn't any one particular 'person' in charge but rather a loose confederation of mullahs. Sure, there are the trappings of an administration so things look on the up and up but the reality on the ground in Iran is much more complex. I'm in no way implying that some groups with 'power' are benevolent in any way. Sometimes the Iranian right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
Counterterrorism Blog had an article about it some time ago but I can't seem to locate it in the archives.
But I'm just being pedantic. The rest of your analysis is spot on.
Posted by: Dan Irving at May 20, 2008 11:03 AM (Kw4jM)
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who said anything about
Iran being a dictatorship? I was referring to the
American dictatorship that the Think Progress readership is convinced they live under.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 20, 2008 11:09 AM (xNV2a)
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Ah - my bad - I parsed that wrong.
Go on with your bad self
Posted by: Dan Irving at May 20, 2008 01:08 PM (Kw4jM)
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The military, right now, has plans to invade Iran. And Canada. And South Dakota. And Lichtenstein. There are folks who get paid to draw up these contingencies, just incase. It does not mean that they are going to put them into action. America projects force to protect itself, and its allies, and threats can arise anywhere in the world.
Funny, because a belligerent Iran is already killing US soldiers, as well as Iraqis, with their weapons smuggling and training. And promising to wipe a certain nation off the map. But hey **** Bush, right?
Posted by: Dave Burton at May 20, 2008 07:07 PM (WPFyi)
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Hi Confederate Yankee,
I did an In T View with an Iranian dissident(s),
who burns
Qurans in Iran -- not exactly a good career choice if the Regime finds out who you are -- and asked them if they wanted a US intervention in the country. Even he/she/they who absolutely despises the Regime, didn't want the US to intervene... and how can Bush really attack Iran between now and the elections, which would destroy McCain; and after the elections, which would be unfair to his predecessor?
Mister Ghost
Iraqi Bloggers Central
Posted by: Mister Ghost at May 20, 2008 07:26 PM (Vlrej)
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Well, you certainly made the case for an invasion.
Vox Day also reported the rumor. He thinks that the price of petroleum reflects that possibility.
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We Take Our Leash Laws Seriously
Holly Springs, NC Animal Control & BBQ. Sent in via email.
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Yes, that is a pig cooker being towed.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 20, 2008 08:56 AM (xNV2a)
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Hot dogs.. hot dogs.. GET YOUR REAL HOT DOGS..
Posted by: Jim at May 20, 2008 09:00 AM (zqzYV)
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*animal warden shows up at the door*
Mam, would you like to put that dog on a leash or would you prefer three BBQ sandwiches and a short rack of ribs...asian style?
Posted by: joe buzz at May 20, 2008 11:34 AM (Cihcs)
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That is truly worthy of submission over at http://kurlander.blogspot.com
Posted by: Jeff at May 20, 2008 12:11 PM (yiMNP)
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City-folk sure are easily amused... they see a photo and think "cognitive dissonance". It's like they've never collected and grilled fresh road-kill. Oh well, their loss...
...once a city dweller, now happy in the woods...
Posted by: Hans at May 20, 2008 02:27 PM (/2GfQ)
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Holy crap! I
live in Holly Springs! How did I miss seeing this?
Posted by: Pat at May 21, 2008 12:28 AM (0suEp)
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!!!non-PC joke alert!!!!
see what you get with a Korean dog catcher??
Posted by: melky at May 21, 2008 10:35 AM (x1EMf)
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Korean, don't be silly. This was made in China and purchased from Walmart.
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Shhh! You Aren't Supposed to Talk About It
Michelle Obama is going to be making
three campaign stops in Kentucky today, but even if she says something incredibly inflammatory or depressed, her husband requests, nay,
demands that only the positive be aired.
Will it work? Who knows, but one thing is certain: if he doesn't want us to talk about her, he can tell her to leave the campaign trail and go back to the Hundred Acre Wood.
Chicago. I meant Chicago.
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Posted by: Neo at May 19, 2008 02:00 PM (Yozw9)
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"Hundred Acre Wood", now that is funny.
Posted by: David at May 19, 2008 02:26 PM (oLOMD)
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Since I disagree with Obama on hope and change, patriotism, respect for the symbols of America and the US military, business regulation, redistribution of wealth, global warming, activist judges, Iraq War, labor unions, NAFTA, affirmative action, illegal immigration, defense policy, appeasing tyrants, motor voter, voter ID, abortion on demand, freedom of speech, gun control, FISA, black liberation theology and other racist ideologies, earned income tax credit, capital gains and windfall profit taxes, gas tax, socialized medicine, political correctness, gay rights, hate crimes, multiculturalism and moral equivalence, I must be a racist.
Posted by: arch at May 19, 2008 04:58 PM (pKbp9)
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Tell ya what... I'll lay off Michelle Obama if:
1) The Obama campaign doesn't comment on anything any of the other spouses of candidates say... including Mr. Clinton.
2) Michelle stops putting herself in the public eye and making asinine comments.
Otherwise, she's fair game.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 19, 2008 05:26 PM (ub+LC)
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Pot, meet Kettle.
"Unless John McCain's idea of being a different kind of Republican means disrespecting the voters by denying them the right to examine the links between his political career and the McCains' business ventures, he should immediately release Cindy McCain's tax returns," said Democratic National Committee spokesman Damien LaVera.
See point 1 in my comment above.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 19, 2008 05:57 PM (ub+LC)
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People have been taking shots at Hillary for 16 years now. Deal with it, Barry. Or, you could do the smart thing and keep her away from the microphone.
Posted by: Pablo at May 20, 2008 07:22 AM (yTndK)
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I dont see what Cindy McCains tax returns have to do with what comes out of Michelle Obamas mouth. As far as I know,she hasnt been stumping for her husband at rallys or anything,like that other woman.
Posted by: 1903A3 at May 20, 2008 08:41 AM (0JFRo)
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Speaking of candidates' spouses, anybody heard from Bill lately?
Posted by: SicSemperTyrannus at May 20, 2008 10:23 AM (Mv/2X)
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1903, the point is the scrutiny of Presidential candidate's spouses. If Obama's spouse is to be exempt, is she the only one, or does the same standard apply to all candidate's spouses?
Not to mention the fact that Obama lacks any power to stop any American from saying whatever he/she/it likes about Michelle. It's called the First Amendment, Barry. Get used to it.
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A Fine Whine
Barack Obama has made clear today that he is running an affirmative action Presidential campaign, demanding preferential treatment from both the Republican Party and the news media as the freshman Senator runs for the White House.
The preferential treatment comes in the form of a unique entitlement: he wants his wife Michelle Obama to be able to campaign for him for president, but wants her held blameless for any controversial or newsworthy comment she makes.
Democrat Barack Obama has a message for Tennessee's Republican Party: "Lay off my wife."
Obama, his party's presidential front-runner, and his wife, Michelle, were asked in an interview aired Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America" about an online video last week by the state's GOP taking her to task for a comment some considered unpatriotic.
"The GOP, should I be the nominee, can say whatever they want to say about me, my track record," Obama said. "If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful because that I find unacceptable, the notion that you start attacking my wife or my family."
I'm sure—absolutely positive—that Hillary Clinton would have liked to have had the same standard applied to husband, former President Bill Clinton. His outbursts during his months on the campaign trial have done as much to hurt as help her, but she understands that when you put you spouse on the stage, you make that spouse fair game for criticism when they say or do something newsworthy.
Barack Obama wants soft and special rules, just for his campaign. I'm sorry, Barack, but it doesn't work that way. You won't get special treatment as President when you deal with the rest of the world, and you don't get special treatment campaigning for the job.
Man up, or drop out.
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You are absolutely spot on. Hillary could be all over this if she so chooses.
The question is really whether she wants to keep knocking him down to improve her chances in four years?
Posted by: ThomasD at May 19, 2008 10:48 AM (hyaEM)
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"You are absolutely spot on. Hillary could be all over this if she so chooses.
The question is really whether she wants to keep knocking him down to improve her chances in four years?"
The fact that she's not beating him over the head with this leads me to believe that she's already triangulating on the veep slot. Momentum is on her side, but the math appears insurmountable at this point...
Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2008 11:17 AM (2MrBP)
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It's about acountability, Barack. Includes your wife, too.
Like the man said, Man up or drop out.
Posted by: Mockinbird at May 19, 2008 11:44 AM (1qbLj)
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After all, no one wants to do anything to scuttle the nice lady's new-found pride in our country.
Posted by: tsmonk at May 19, 2008 01:35 PM (j0chB)
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I understand a man wanting to protect his family. But if you are worried about them making themselves look stupid, keep them out of the public eye.
Idiotic, simply idiotic.
Posted by: Eric at May 19, 2008 02:30 PM (9V6Vj)
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Well....that is something....
Obama has made me give a kudo to Bill Clinton.
This made me remember how he responded to press prompting him about Hillary and the criticism she got during his campaign and early in his first tenure --- this was back at the time.
He might have said other things elsewhere, but the one that came to mind today was when he said she took flack like Elanore Roosevelt and for many of the same reasons.
I didn't think much of the comment at the time - one way or another.
Now, I can say, "At least Clinton didn't try to say criticism of Hillary was dastardly conduct after having her take such a prominent role."
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Hussein O can't possibly 'man up'. There would have to be a man present for that to happen.
Posted by: Scrapiron at May 19, 2008 11:12 PM (AiJXe)
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I seem to remember some adverse press on Cindy McCain for plagiarizing, um, recipes. Cindy, like Laura, is about as far from a political player as it is possible for a PrezSpouse to be. That has not insulated her. Give Barry a little break though. I'm sure he's just saying what she told him to say.
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Democrat Barack Obama has a message for Tennessee's Republican Party: "Lay off my wife."
Tennessee Republican Party has a message for Barack Obama: "Go SUCK WIND! You take her OFF the political stage and THEN we'll lay off her...but if she's going to campaign for you, then she has to take the good with the bad...as do YOU!"
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Huckabee Misfires Again
Mike Huckabee, the same grating "aw shucks" candidate that nearly
shot members of the press on the campaign trail, shot his remaining credibility to shreds today in front of annoyed members of the National Rifle Association.
During his speech at the annual convention the following transpired, as noted by CNN:
During a speech before the National Rifle Association convention Friday afternoon in Louisville, Kentucky, former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee — who has endorsed presumptive GOP nominee John McCain — joked that an unexpected offstage noise was Democrat Barack Obama looking to avoid a gunman.
"That was Barack Obama, he just tripped off a chair, he's getting ready to speak," said the former Arkansas governor, to audience laughter. "Somebody aimed a gun at him and he dove for the floor."
Oh my word.
The dead silence from an upset crowd of responsible gun owners—many of which were legally armed—was obvious in the video. Huckabee beclowned himself, and everyone in the audience knew it.
Predictably, fringe bloggers on the left tried to make the most of Huckabee's moronic tastelessness. "smintheus" at Daily Kos lied and said "this audience laughed," a falsehood proven by the icy silence that quickly resulted in the video linked above.
Pam Spaulding helpfully notes what liberals think about gun owners, claiming, "We've already seen the yahoo vote unapologetic about the fact that they'd never vote for a black man — and plenty of them have an NRA card."
Liberals such as Spaulding would equate gun ownership with Klan membership; I hope that the millions of law-abiding Democrat gun-owning "yahoos" remember that in November.
Only one good thing came out of Huckabee's comments today... his quick exit from the national stage.
Update: Some liberals in the comments are questioning whether or not there was laughter at Huckabee's comment that "someone aimed a gun at him and he hit the floor."
The video link is above, but here's a blow by block chronology, according the the clock on the 2:19 CNN clip.
There were hundreds of people in that room. No more than a handful made any noise immediately after Huckabee made the follow-up gun comment, and they were silent within two seconds.
Timeframe, using the CNN counter:
00:00-00:50 HUCKABEE is giving an apparently good speech generating good applause from the audience
00:51 -- A loud noise is heard offstage.
00:52 -- HUCKABEE (turns and points): "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair..." Moderate chuckles from the crowd began to build.
00:58-1:00 -- HUCKABEE continued: "Somebody aimed a gun at him, and he dove for the floor." The crowd immediately starts to go quiet.
1:02 -- Crowd is DEAD SILENT. Huckabee looks out at crowd, seems to understand he really made a huge gaffe.
1:02-2:19. -- HUCKABEE rushes through the rest of the speech shown, rushing past obvious applause lines where pauses are designed.
The audience is DEAD SILENT on the CNN audio after ingesting Huckabee's comments, though I'm almost certain there was unheard murmuring not picked up by their microphones.
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where exactly on Spaulding's blog is there a reference to the klan?
Posted by: Notnowjohn at May 16, 2008 06:02 PM (CAytX)
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That kind of talk must have been a real knee slapper back in the days when the Huckster was frying squirrels on a popcorn popper in his dorm room at Central Arkansas Bible College (I've got the name wrong and I don't mean to demean the college---it was a small Christian school and they do good works. But they only let their students have hot air popcorn poppers in their dorm rooms--no other cooking utensils allowed--and the Huckster and his roomies needed to figure out how to cook their squirrels.--Ah shucks, I didn't want to go there---but the Huckster did tell the story about cooking the little forest critters and I cringed when I thought what the New York Times would do to a squirrel fryin' candidate for President. ) Anyway, it's time for Huckabee to head back to Little Rock.
Posted by: Michael J. Myers at May 16, 2008 06:02 PM (LZ3cP)
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As one commentator said (I think I saw it on NRO's Corner blog), sometimes you vet the Veep candidates, sometimes they vet themselves.
Of course, The Huckster always did have a talent for shooting himself in the foot.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 16, 2008 06:57 PM (ub+LC)
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How dense are the democrats. The KKK is and has always been a democrat organization. Formed by democrats and supported by todays democrats. KKK Kleagle Byrd, D (WVa) anyone????
Posted by: Scrapiron at May 16, 2008 07:15 PM (AiJXe)
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huckabee is a past pastor please that was in very very poor poor taste you need to seat down ans shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: felicia jackson at May 16, 2008 07:15 PM (NFA4y)
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Let's hope that sealed the fate of any ideas of selecting him as VP. Adios, Huck.
Posted by: Pablo at May 16, 2008 07:47 PM (yTndK)
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I can only think of one good thing about John McCain: he's not Huckabee.
Posted by: Bugler at May 16, 2008 09:22 PM (YCVBL)
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"smintheus" at Daily Kos lied and said "this audience laughed," a falsehood proven by the icy silence that quickly resulted in the video linked above.
You might want to get your hearing checked.
Posted by: Urbaniak at May 16, 2008 11:58 PM (K0nmr)
Posted by: Mike Huck at May 17, 2008 12:17 AM (Xk+XJ)
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Sounds like laughing to me.
I know you people love to tell people what to think, but that sure sounds like laughing to me.
I'm 52 and I know the difference between "icy silence" and laughter.
Nice try though.
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For whatever reason, I can't get the video to play on my machine right now, but, as per David's comment above, the quote cited in the post says the comment was greeted by "audience laughter."
Posted by: cactus at May 17, 2008 06:24 AM (jKDlG)
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Urbaniak, David, cactus,
Wow. I didn't know that a person's political tastes could damage their perceptions so throughly. I just included a chronological timeline as a update to the main post to help your adjustment to our reality.
Pull that up alongside the CNN video linked in the main post that shows the event, and watch it with the chronology as your guide.
Also keep in mind that Huckabee said two lines.
The first line was that the noise was Obama falling, which generated mild, building laughter. After he made the "somebody pointed a gun at him" statement, a smattering of dying laughter is heard ending from the previous comment, and the entire audience of hundreds was dead silent
within two seconds, which lasted throughout the rest of the videotaped segment.
Sorry to interrupt your community-based reality, but that is what actually occurred.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 17, 2008 07:01 AM (HcgFD)
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This is sad.
The good news is that he won't be the Republican nominee in the fall.
Posted by: Neo at May 17, 2008 08:06 AM (Yozw9)
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Oh, my Lord, I knew the lefties could sink pretty low, but not so low as to argue over when a crowd was laughing.
They'll do literally anything to smear those that support the right to keep and bear arms, won't they?
Posted by: C-C-G at May 17, 2008 08:10 AM (ub+LC)
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I've seen two versions of the Huckabee clip. In one the crowd reaction is muted, in the other it's much louder laughing by most of the crowd. I have no idea which was edited but one surely was.
I can tell you there are lots of hunters in Illinois who aren't fans of the NRA or the Republican party. Any nut shoots at Obama and I predict it'll be open season on Republican politicians like Huckabee.
Posted by: markg8 at May 17, 2008 08:46 AM (7xxF4)
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I'm not condemning the audience. But come on, the Kos poster wasn't lying when they said people laughed at the joke. The audience is totally silent after "somebody aimed a gun at him" but then after Huckabee says "and he dove for the floor" there's a
fresh spurt of laughter. It may very well have been nervous laughter but it is laughter and it is in direct repsonse to the "conclusion" of the "joke."
Again, I'm not saying the laughter is indicative of any sort of right-wing depravity on the audience's part, it was probably a result of discomfort. You can argue with the Kos poster over the
quality of the audience's laughter but not over the
existence of the laughter.
Posted by: urbaniak at May 17, 2008 09:42 AM (K0nmr)
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So let me get this right markg8, Democrats are hateful murderous thugs looking for an excuse to kill. Wow.
Posted by: David at May 17, 2008 12:25 PM (ZoIEY)
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I dunno, I went to You Tube and found
this. There's clear laughter after the "he dove for the floor."
Now, who knows, perhaps someone added the laughter later.
Posted by: cactus at May 17, 2008 05:08 PM (jKDlG)
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Well, there were a lot of people in that hall, and not a lot of paople made whatever noise you hear. It sure wasn't much. I think we hear what matches our own reaction; mine was outright disgusted derision. Could anyone be so stupid as to joke about pointing a gun at anyone? At an NRA convention? Never mind the gratuitous handing of the whole gun toting KKK lynch mob thing to the Left? How freakin' STUPID can you be?
Folks, Dumb is forever. Bye Bye Mike.
What you libs never seem to grasp is that we get rid of people like this; you don't. That's why we can laugh at you right in the midst of this suicide by shoe leather by a Republican.
Posted by: Bill Smith at May 17, 2008 05:38 PM (ltKmi)
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Good point, Bill... if Huckabee was a Dem there'd be excuses and equivocations buzzing around the "intertubes" like crazy.
As for Republicans, well, as I said before, sometimes you vet the Veep candidates, sometimes they vet themselves.
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Good point yourself, CCG. He vetted himself, and too big for Momma to change him!
Damn! I watched it again, and he didn't just put his foot in his mouth, he started CHEWING on it!
Posted by: Bill Smith at May 17, 2008 08:56 PM (ltKmi)
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It would have been helpful if you'd provided the audio CY but I heard the sound clip twice on a local L.A. radio station yesterday. While it's not like the entire crowd was 'busting a gut', I did hear some laughter after he made the remark. I don't imagine that we should, you know, believe our 'lying ears' though. And of course, it's not like conservatives would laugh at something like that anyways. I distinctly remember people
not chuckling when that darling, Ann Coulter would regale us with little 'one liners' like, "the best way to talk to a Liberal is with a baseball bat". And I distinctly
don't remember the crowd erupting in laughter and applause when our Dear Miss called Edwards a fag at the CPAC Convention.
Posted by: tontocal at May 17, 2008 09:54 PM (7DtTW)
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Who equates the NRA and the Klan?
Why none other than the man who gets a seat in the Presidential box at the 2004 Dem convention, Michael Moore. Watch "Bowling for Columbine," when he presents an animated history of the Klan/NRA.
Think many members of Kos and company might be influenced by this Oscar-award winning director's documentaries?
Posted by: Lurking Observer at May 18, 2008 10:58 AM (p/GCv)
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"It would have been helpful if you'd provided the audio CY but I heard the sound clip twice on a local L.A. radio station yesterday. While it's not like the entire crowd was 'busting a gut', I did hear some laughter after he made the remark. I don't imagine that we should, you know, believe our 'lying ears' though. And of course, it's not like conservatives would laugh at something like that anyways. I distinctly remember people not chuckling when that darling, Ann Coulter would regale us with little 'one liners' like, "the best way to talk to a Liberal is with a baseball bat". And I distinctly don't remember the crowd erupting in laughter and applause when our Dear Miss called Edwards a fag at the CPAC Convention."
"Do you even manage to read before you post? Come on now.
Timeframe, using the CNN counter:
00:00-00:50 HUCKABEE is giving an apparently good speech generating good applause from the audience
00:51 -- A loud noise is heard offstage.
00:52 -- HUCKABEE (turns and points): "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair..." Moderate chuckles from the crowd began to build.
00:58-1:00 -- HUCKABEE continued: "Somebody aimed a gun at him, and he dove for the floor." The crowd immediately starts to go quiet."
Starts, STARTS to go quiet.
Think, type, read over what you type, then think again, then hit the post button.
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"It would have been helpful if you'd provided the audio CY but I heard the sound clip twice on a local L.A. radio station yesterday. While it's not like the entire crowd was 'busting a gut', I did hear some laughter after he made the remark. I don't imagine that we should, you know, believe our 'lying ears' though. And of course, it's not like conservatives would laugh at something like that anyways. I distinctly remember people not chuckling when that darling, Ann Coulter would regale us with little 'one liners' like, "the best way to talk to a Liberal is with a baseball bat". And I distinctly don't remember the crowd erupting in laughter and applause when our Dear Miss called Edwards a fag at the CPAC Convention."
"Do you even manage to read before you post? Come on now.
Timeframe, using the CNN counter:
00:00-00:50 HUCKABEE is giving an apparently good speech generating good applause from the audience
00:51 -- A loud noise is heard offstage.
00:52 -- HUCKABEE (turns and points): "That was Barack Obama. He just tripped off a chair..." Moderate chuckles from the crowd began to build.
00:58-1:00 -- HUCKABEE continued: "Somebody aimed a gun at him, and he dove for the floor." The crowd immediately starts to go quiet."
Starts, STARTS to go quiet.
Think, type, read over what you type, then think again, then hit the post button.
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Think, type, read over what you type, then think again, then hit the post button.
The big problem with that is that lots of those on the left don't know how to do the first step you list. They're capable, but haven't done it in so long they've forgotten how.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 18, 2008 03:30 PM (ub+LC)
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Silly me. Didn't notice the helpful link to the video that CY had provided. As I remembered from hearing the audio that day, there was laughter after the 'aimed a gun' comment, (albeit, diminished from the 'fell over a chair' comment') So, to sum up, there is some laughter, then the crowd goes quiet. But again, I shouldn't believe my 'lying' ears. (or, you know,
think)
Posted by: tontocal at May 18, 2008 08:22 PM (pYXRq)
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People, please. Can we all just put aside our political differences for a sec and unite behind the fact that Mike Huckabee is completely unfunny. Democrats know it. Republicans know it. Even the NRA knows it.
I say this because I want that man off my TV forever. Help a guy out.
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For once, I agree, Juan. Huckabee's joke was in poor taste and was absolutely unfunny. He shouldn't be considered for second assistant dogcatcher of a one-stoplight town, much less VPOTUS.
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"He shouldn't be considered for second assistant dogcatcher of a one-stoplight town"
Little Rock?
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Obama: Hezbollah and Hamas Have "Legitimate Claims"
The U.S. needs a foreign policy that "looks at the root causes of problems and dangers." Obama compared Hezbollah to Hamas. Both need to be compelled to understand that "they're going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims." He knows these movements aren't going away anytime soon ("Those missiles aren't going to dissolve"
, but "if they decide to shift, we're going to recognize that. That's an evolution that should be recognized."
And just what are these "legitimate claims" that Obama mentions in talking with David Brooks of the New York Times?
Is it that the existence of Israel is a catastrophe?
Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director on the board of a nonprofit organization that granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a "catastrophe." (Obama has also reportedly spoken at fundraisers for Palestinians living in what the United Nations terms refugee camps.)
The co-founder of the Arab group, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, is a harsh critic of Israel who reportedly worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization when it was labeled a terror group by the State Department.
Khalidi held a fundraiser in 2000 for Obama's failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives.
In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, at which Khalidi's wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.
Ah, the Woods Fund. Where Barak served with his domestic terrorist friend, Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground, who along with his domestic terrorist (and Charles Manson fan) wife, Bernardine Dohrn, helped kick off Obama's political career at their house.
Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state, and says (in part):
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up."
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
Somehow, I don't think that is a change most Americans or Israelis can believe in.
But what about Hezbollah?
...Hezbollah's ideology is inspired by Khomeini, the original leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. According to "The Hezbollah Program", a document that specifies Hezbollah's ideology, Hezbollah's main goals are to fight against "western imperialism", achieve the destruction of Israel, and establish Islamic rule in Jerusalem. It also supports the transformation of Lebanon into an Islamic state in the same spirit as Iran, which Hezbollah takes as the model of an Islamic state. In addition, the party glorifies suicide bombers as martyrs. It promotes violent resistance as a means to an end and teaches that "each of us is a fighting soldier". This ideology—which includes anti-Semitic, anti-western and anti-democratic dogma—is indoctrinated in Hezbollah's schools and kindergartens, which are free for all of Hezbollah's Shi'a supporters.
I'd really like to know what is legitimate about the claims two terrorist organizations dedicated to the obliteration of Israel in the eyes of Barack Obama.
Please, Barack... do tell.
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Leave it to Obama to let his ego get in the way of the truth. http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/the_white_house_changes_target.php
Posted by: Cory at May 16, 2008 01:13 PM (6A46n)
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Maybe there is something in his attitude here:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/02/obama-arab-amer.html
Obama, according to what's going around, is less an "African" American than an "Arab" American. This is not about madrassas or any of that stuff. It is, however, about his lineage, which is a little bit surprising...and it may explain his weird name and his weirder views.
Posted by: marybel at May 16, 2008 04:31 PM (e+2Jh)
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Kenya is in East Africa. Indonesia is in South East Asia. Kansas is in the middle of the US. Hawaii is in the Pacific and Illionis is in the midwest too. Where exactly is Obama's middle-east lineage?
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His father was Arab-African which makes Obama and Arab-African American.
Posted by: Sara at May 16, 2008 07:15 PM (Wi/N0)
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From the
Brooks interview of Obama at NYT:
The U.S. needs a foreign policy that “looks at the root causes of problems and dangers.” Obama compared Hezbollah to Hamas. Both need to be compelled to understand that “they’re going down a blind alley with violence that weakens their legitimate claims.” He knows these movements aren’t going away anytime soon (“Those missiles aren’t going to dissolve”), but “if they decide to shift, we’re going to recognize that. That’s an evolution that should be recognized.”
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From transcribing an
American Radio Account from 1938:
"Now we know that Neville Chamberlain, who is a Realist and masterful man, has made up his mind that the time has come to give up attempts at ideal solutions to the European problems, such as through the League of Nations. To deal with facts, as he found them, and the two outstanding facts were the two dictators, Hitler and Moussolini. Both had grievances that had to be recognized and it's possible were right. Before Europe would turn over in bed and most dream comfortably. And Chamberlain told his Cabinet that he was going to settle this and on a Realist basis."
Can we hear more about these 'legitimate grievances' of Hezbollah and Hamas from Sen. Obama? I would like to hear them better defined than their charters which have the destruction of Israel as their central foundation... that is at least *one* of their grievances and an actual driving one. Considering that *no* President has been able to talk either of them out of those 'grievances', what makes Sen. Obama that they will suddenly 'see the light'?
And if talking to Iran has no 'preconditions' and yet they support these groups, wouldn't it be good to get them to stop that support, which has also been a centerpiece of multiple Presidents to-date?
If he is, from what I can see, stating the exact, same thing as the current and past occupants of the Oval Office on pre-conditions and having these groups end, then what is, exactly, the difference between the Obama policy and theirs?
Since the time of
Thomas Jefferson Presidents have seen the limitations and inability of foreign institutions to promulgate US policy and the need to take action against those that threaten the US and our Allies. It is only when Presidents don't follow Jefferson's lead that things tend to go awry... can Sen. Obama stand with that tradition? Or don't we much need the lessons of Jefferson these days, either?
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Posted by: Neo at May 17, 2008 09:07 PM (Yozw9)
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Oh Come on, I have read that article, Obama says US should help shites in south Lebonan for their legitimate claims to peel them away from Hezbollah.
Posted by: anony at May 17, 2008 09:37 PM (TTqpJ)
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Oh Come on, I have read that article, Obama says US should help shites in south Lebonan for their legitimate claims to peel them away from Hezbollah.
And what legitimate claims are those? Those Shiites in S. Lebanon are Lebonese (those that aren't Iranians masquerading as Lebonese in service to Hezbollah, of course). What legitimate claims do they have vis a vis their own elected government? I am sure everyone would love to know what Hussein Obama thinks about that.
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Totten On Yon
I don't think they could possibly find someone more qualified to review Michael Yon's
Moment of Truth in Iraq than
Michael Totten, another independent journalist who has spent and extensive amount of time in the Middle East, including Iraq.
Read Totten's review The Real Iraq, and if you haven't yet read Yon's book, or would like to donate copies to your local library so that other people can, click the image above to order from Amazon.com.
I'd note that both Yon and Totten are independent journalists, and traveling to and through combat zones to bring you stories the media won't tell is both expensive and dangerous, so please consider contributing at their sites, Michael Totten, and Michael Yon.
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Totten, Yon, C. Blake Powers, J.D. Johannes, Pete Hegseth and Bill Ardolino are the finest citizen journalists this country has to offer. They are on the ground and seeing what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan firsthand, then reporting what they see: the good, the bad and the ugly.
The efforts by some in the MSM to marginalize/minimize their efforts won't succeed.
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Up Close and Personal with an EFP
You've heard of EFPs (Explosively-formed penetrators or projectiles), a kind of IED, being used against American armored vehicles.
Very few people outside of the military have seen the results of an EFP strike in detail. Thanks to confidential sources inside Iraq, I have relatively rare photos of an EFP strike in my post at Pajamas Media, How Iran Is Killing U.S. Troops in Iraq.
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Bit Dog Barks
In Israel, President Bush mentioned in a speech that:
"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Though not mentioned by President Bush, Barack Obama howled in protest:
"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."
The White House went on to state that they were not talking about Obama, but as the saying goes, "it's the bit dog that barks loudest." Barack Obama recognized his own weakness in Bush's speech, even though Bush never mentioned him.
Perhaps we'd all find Barack's stance against meeting with terrorists a lot more sincere if he wasn't friends with several, kicking off his political career at their house.
Update: Heh. Obama, sweetie, calm down.
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Obama either has no idea of why any other country would listen to any "tough, principled diplomacy" without telling him to stuff it. And, when murderous thugs in Iran, Venezuala, etc. tell him to stuff it, what are his options? Yep, just like Chamberlain--feed some more innocents and friends to the monsters in the vain hope they will be appeased.
The other explanation is more depressing. Obama thinks WE are the monster and thugs like Iran, Syria are the good guys. Nice pick, Dems.
Posted by: iconoclast at May 15, 2008 10:08 AM (TzLpv)
Posted by: Neo at May 15, 2008 11:03 AM (Yozw9)
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Obamas rush to deny allegations that were never made reveals his guilty conscious.
Posted by: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr at May 15, 2008 11:08 AM (gkobM)
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Is Obama like not the biggest drama queen going? "It's sad.." boohoo - no crybabies for President.
Posted by: Bandit at May 15, 2008 11:26 AM (/R+6i)
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Again W manages just the right note. Is this the blind pig with the occassional truffle? I don't think so. Of course he was talking about Barry but not Barry merely. The simple sad truth is that Obamesque vapid summitteering is regarded as the height of urbane good sense in many of our fellow citizens and elected officials. They really think that all our troubles are because the world dislikes Bush and his so-called arrogance. Like Barry though, I suspect that when they see this principle actually applied or hear it's precepts forthrightly expressed they will instinctively understand just how dangerous, foolish and cliche'd such a policy is. W is attempting to give them this opportunity. Obammy whiffed it.
Posted by: megapotamus at May 15, 2008 11:49 AM (LF+qW)
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so, if not obama, who might W have been referring to and why in Israel on the anniversary of its founding as a nation? Who, exactly, might those "Some" be?
Posted by: po at May 15, 2008 11:51 AM (AP2dj)
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so, if not obama, who might W have been referring to and why in Israel on the anniversary of its founding as a nation? Who, exactly, might those "Some" be?
We could easily start with Jimmy Carter, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Howard Dean, but it would probably take a lot less time if we just made a blanket statement covering most (but not all) Democrats on the national level.
Obama is just one symptom of the appeasement disease.
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Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 15, 2008 12:00 PM
Don't forget Rockefeller telegraphing our War plans to a great friends the Syrians before the war or the Democrats in congress who let terror connected pay for their trip to Iraq.
Posted by: Slipknot at May 15, 2008 12:09 PM (Uv3VJ)
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Odd that Obama would mention Reagan and Iran in the same paragraph .. does Obama have “a cake and a Bible” ready ?
Ollie North .. Obama's office is trying to reach you.
Posted by: Neo at May 15, 2008 12:32 PM (Yozw9)
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Or Jack Murtha's promising a "slow bleed" to turn American opinion against our occupation of Iraq.
Posted by: James at May 15, 2008 12:34 PM (B8gN+)
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The truly sad thing is that if the president had spent the last seven years talking like this consistantly, putting his enemies on the defensive and making them explain their own words, his party and his projects might not now be on the verge of total destruction.
Too little, too late.
And the fact that you could easily add Condi Rice and George W. Bush to the list of those who would cheerfully appease terrorists (State Department foreign aid to the Palestinian "nation", anybody? How about another Condi-organized "Peace" conference where the Israelis have to enter through a seperate door?) doesn't help.
Posted by: DaveP. at May 15, 2008 12:35 PM (3Aj1g)
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DaveP,
Agree almost completely. However... no way, no how was President Bush's Knesset "address" run past the State Dept. And that sir, makes it delicious.
That money quote? "We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Ever see the South Park episode about "the brown noise." Well, Bush found it. Upon the last word in that Bush's quote, every State Department employee and Democrat in office collectively shat their pants.
Posted by: Lamontyoubigdummy at May 15, 2008 01:41 PM (GrBA3)
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The media idiots cannot even get the speech right. Tucker Carlson said that Bush's invoking of 'Hitler' and comparing someone to hHitker was beyond the pale!
Posted by: davod at May 15, 2008 04:01 PM (llh3A)
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Fred Sanford: With respect, I considered the venue... and then remembered the Bush White House pressuring Israel to stop its offensive against Hezbollah a couple of years ago, and pressuring Israel again to accept the presence of United Nations "monitors" possibly the single worst strategic defeat Isreal has ever suffered, as now Hezbollah and Hamas have a big, bright blue shield to hide behind and Isreal can't do anything about it without making its European diplomatic situation even worse.
That pressure may have come with State's advice and backing, but in the end the buck stopped with Bush.
Posted by: DaveP. at May 15, 2008 04:16 PM (3Aj1g)
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With Obama at the helm history will indeed repeat itself. The US will be Jonnhy come Lately's again if another conflict erupts. Just like WWI and WWII. Democratic isolationist policy's accomplish nothing other than reducing the US further in the eyes of her allies.
Posted by: Bart at May 15, 2008 05:22 PM (U7d2A)
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The irony is, if Obama and his campaign had kept their collective mouths shut, the President's comments would probably have disappeared from the news and people's memories very quickly. By raising a big stink, the Obamamaniacs have made the President's comments much more memorable.
Sensitive ego + guilty conscience = bad news for a politician.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 15, 2008 10:47 PM (ub+LC)
Posted by: Neo at May 16, 2008 07:37 AM (Yozw9)
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Gotta love it.
If Bush gave a speech about drug dealers, would you [Obama] release a statement saying, "how DARE you insult me!"? Of course not; you're aren't a drug dealer. So if you really aren't an appeaser, you shouldn't have willingly identified yourself with that group.
Posted by: C-C-G at May 16, 2008 07:04 PM (ub+LC)
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Well, of
course Bush wasn't referring to Obama in the speech to the Knesset. There was no mention of 'Hussein' or 'bitter' or 'elistist'. I'm quite sure this Knesset member actually
was referring to Obama when he stated:
"It was an embarrassing speech, a collection of slogans that somebody wrote for him in order to be nice to Israel, or what he thinks is Israel, and to steer well clear of anything concrete," said Israeli lawmaker Yossi Beilin, a key architect of the Oslo peace accords.
"It's a shame and a scandal, in my opinion."
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John McCain: Commander in Chief of the Israeli Military?
In a story on the L.A.
Times blog
Top of the Ticket about John McCain's
new position that he thinks American combat troops will be out of Iraq by 2013, the
Times includes this photo.
Pardon me for asking, but at what point did American Presidents command Israeli solders?
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In their dreams on how to use the 3 Annapolis "monitor" generals: Dayton, Fraser and McCain's friend (Retd) Gen. James L. Jones, current Middle East envoy?
Posted by: ER at May 15, 2008 08:32 AM (C9+q9)
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Obviously a member of the New York National Guard's 11th Kitten Battalion.
Posted by: bvw at May 15, 2008 09:20 AM (GldVa)
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Why were you reading the Los Angeles Times.
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at May 15, 2008 09:27 AM (eDnDo)
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Gee, didn't you know that the vast neocon-zionist conspiracy controls both?
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 15, 2008 09:50 AM (9btbQ)
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Meh, the Democrats can't tell Canadian troops from U.S. troops,
http://www.exurbanleague.com/2006/10/08/they-stand-on-guard-for-us.aspx
why should we expect different behaviour from the L.A. Times?
Posted by: ExUrbanKevin at May 15, 2008 11:54 AM (ppKzH)
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Perhaps it is in the "Secret Protocalls of Zion".
Posted by: David at May 15, 2008 01:27 PM (cPLO6)
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Looks peaceful, but I've been to anti-Bush rallies where the National Guard thugs were using those animals to intimidate the crowd.
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Obama: "Hold On One Second, Sweetie"
Here's the video:
I don't object to the word "Sweetie"... when addressing a female child, or as a term of endearment with a relative or close friend. Using it condescendingly here as Obama did here in addressing a grown, professional woman is demeaning, and the reporter he called "Sweetie" is obviously steamed at the dismissive slight.
At The Politico Ben Smith has more on the story, and the comment thread there is certainly illuminating. Obama supporters on the site attack Smith, Hillary Clinton, and even the reporter for reporting the slight, instead of admitting that Obama went out of bounds.
The video says something about Obama's character, but the Politico comments are even more shocking in how it reveals the character of his acolytes.
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Wow, the story is much more powerful when you look at those comments. You should post a few comments.
Posted by: mekan at May 14, 2008 03:27 PM (hm8tW)
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Wonder how he'd react if Senator Byrd refered to him as "Boy?"
Posted by: Big Country at May 14, 2008 04:08 PM (qLCaV)
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Gang,
I'm from the area. Peggy Agar is nothing more than a ratings seeking attention whore bitch.
Why do I say this?
Because this same reporter, did a big time story on a former reporter from the Detroit, who relocated to grand rapids, michigan. She ended up getting into a little trouble, she ended up committing suicide over it.
In short, it's a none story and a big time setup.
-Chuck
Posted by: Chuck Adkins at May 14, 2008 04:32 PM (BH4he)
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So waht you're saying, Chuck, is that that reporter MADE Obama call her "sweetie"? Are we talking cue cards, or maybe mind control waves?
Posted by: DaveP. at May 14, 2008 04:43 PM (3Aj1g)
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Well he and Michelle just paid off their student loans so he couldn't possibly be misogynistic ... or is it elitist? I can't keep these non sequiturs straight.
Posted by: capitano at May 14, 2008 05:37 PM (+NO33)
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Patronizing and insultingly dismissive.
Posted by: Sara at May 14, 2008 06:36 PM (Wi/N0)
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Perhaps this is why Hamas supports him? He's got a misogynistic streak they recognize and sympathize with?
Posted by: Lurking Observer at May 14, 2008 07:24 PM (O3AVU)
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I'm going to have to buck the trend on this one. Well, sort of. Those comments at the link are startling and telling. Ugh.
I have a lot of problems with ole BHO, but this isn't one of them. Is is rude? Yes. It's is patronizing in a sexist manner? Slightly.
When reporters try to ambush folks, I think it's A-OK for them to be flippant. I actually sort of get a kick out of it.
Posted by: brando at May 14, 2008 07:31 PM (LXoqQ)
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He's going to help the auto workers by eliminating all their worry and anxiety about what to do with any spare cash they got laying around.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2008 07:37 PM (fs+G8)
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"When reporters try to ambush folks, I think it's A-OK for them to be flippant. I actually sort of get a kick out of it."
I agree. Clearly this reporter had an ax to grind and it seems by the time the video starts she had already been importuning him several times already. I don't begrudge him for saying it.
Posted by: Arbotreeist at May 14, 2008 09:38 PM (6I6OG)
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The only explanation is that Barry is actually an agent/provocateur for Team Hillary. Really, this guys vaunted political chops are more revealed as an urban legend every day. Sure, the reporterette, like so many, was inviting insult. But if Obammy wants to change his trend lines in his weak demos... that is, he wants to change them UP, he must avoid, say, confirming all the alleged sexism that keeps Hillary barefoot, illiterate, in the kitchen and, of course, pregnant.
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The Bloodless Bullets of Baghdad
I suspect that this is less a case of "fauxtography" than a curious physiological response, but Associated Press cameraman Karim Kadim captured
this photo of a Sadr City woman having a bullet removed from her forearm.
Here is an enlarged and cropped version of the photo as tweaked in PhotoShop to focus on the wound. I got as close as I could without distorting the image significantly.
As you can see, the bullet is being pulled nose first, suggesting that it penetrated though the outside of the woman's arm and passed through the interosseous membrane between the ulna and radius to stop at some point on the inside part of her forearm.
All combat rifle cartridges commonly used should have fully penetrated this woman's arm completely with a significant (and ghastly) exit wound if not impeded by either hitting a barrier of some sort, or coming from an extreme distance away. I'd love to see a higher resolution version of this photo to see if we could determine what kind of rifle cartridge this was.
Whatever the bullet is, I'm pretty sure it isn't one of these.
5/20 Update: After speaking with Associated Press resources in New York, trauma surgeons, and other resources in Iraq, this photo is confirmed as the extraction of a bullet that hit the woman in the photo after being fired from a considerable distance, and after the bullet had expended much of its energy. Additional still footage is said to exist showing the entry wound, and there is also said to be videotape of the extraction.
This was not a staged photo, just a strange physiological response to an uncommon wound.
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That looks to have a ballistic tip on it.
Posted by: Oilcrash at May 14, 2008 12:23 PM (XCqS+)
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Kinda tough to make that assessment, as many kinds of military ammunition has painted tips as a visual aid showing the kind of ammunition it is. A red or orange tip is often the sign of a tracer round.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 14, 2008 12:32 PM (xNV2a)
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It could have been a "spent" bullet, ie at the far extent of its range and just about capable of of such a wound.
But gloveless? Even washed for reuse? Heck, even cotton gloves? Well, maybe.
Posted by: teqjack at May 14, 2008 01:56 PM (CEphM)
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A few thoughts:
Did you notice the amount of scarring on the arm?
That seems to be a large penetration to leave no trace of blood. Maybe the wound area has been cleansed with alch.?
If the wound was 'splinter' like, just under the skin, don't you think the lady would have removed it herself?
Posted by: mekan at May 14, 2008 03:26 PM (hm8tW)
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mekan,
Good questions, all. In order:
by "scarring," are you referring to the disturbed skin around the bullet? I would love to hear from a trauma doc, EMT, or combat medic on this, but since none are around, I'll hazard a guess that it might simply be a reflection of how the skin is being stretched and pulled upon extraction. I could very well be dead wrong, too.The lack of blood is fascinating, especially if you dig up an anatomical chart of the forearm that shows the various major and minor arteries running though that general area of the arm. Frankly, I'm not confident about the use of alcohol to clean the wound.yes, if it was a splinter, I would think she would have removed it on her own, and quickly, as bullets tend to be quite warm, if not hot, when they hit flesh. If it had been the case where the bullet was hanging out as shown, and hot, I'd guess that human nature wold dictate to grab it and try to pull it out.
Of course, not being there, and not having much to work with, this is all guesswork.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at May 14, 2008 03:39 PM (xNV2a)
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I sent the link to my sister, who is a combat medic. She may see something we don't.
Posted by: Grey Fox at May 14, 2008 04:04 PM (9btbQ)
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I was a combat medic. The pic is an obvious fake. No way would that bullet still be shiney. No way would there be no blood with a piece of metal that large. No way would there be no apparent distortion of the point. For years after I returned from Vietnam, Republic of, I had pieces of shrapnel easing out of my side and leg. That little event was always accompanied by pus and blood. The person in the pic may have a "void" in their arm from a previous injury that just happens to be the approximate diameter of a bullet. But I really doubt the bullet you see in the pic was ever fired. Who but a vet or cop would know? None of the sheep would.
Posted by: Tonto (USA) at May 14, 2008 04:43 PM (GAL+4)
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OK:
US Military Tracer round: Red tipped 5.56mm Round with red tip Ball, Tracer M193 55 GRN or New Version Ball, Tracer M196 55 GRN.
The 'scarring' around the arm looks more like what happens when your bandages are on too tight... the skin puckers and take on the fabric shape/distortion. Not agreeing that this is fake or disagreeing..
Also: Tracer BURN. Burn hot.
Lastly: The bullet appears (in relation to the thumbnail BIGGER than a 5.56mm round IMO
Posted by: Big Country at May 14, 2008 05:36 PM (qLCaV)
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It's difficult to see from the picture what exactly that is, whether bullet or not. But I can tell you as a combat medic that extraction would not be bloodless, nor unbruised. Even a bullet that has been in a limb for months still shows up as a swelling.
Fresh bullets leave holes as large as themselves only at the entry point, and grow larger as they pass through. Exit wounds are BIG. And bloody.
I'd say the picture is definitely fishy, but I must also comment that the photo linked to it, the one with the woman holding up two bullets she says struck her house--that's hilarious! Bullets can be fired in their casings, now?
Posted by: Grey Fox's Sis at May 14, 2008 08:25 PM (FfV0/)
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Based on the cross section of the round as compared to the medic's thumb I would say 7.62. Red tracer tip makes it a US 7.62 (at least I dont rember seeing any red tipped AK ammo)
My guess, a spent round at the end of its trajectory (possibly one fired up in the air as Haji is prone to do)
It entered the arm thru the hole and lodged itself right under the skin. She probably had it there for a day or two. The Doc pushed and pulled until he got the tip out enough to extract it. Has to be an Iraqui Doc. No US one would do it without gloves
Posted by: Rey at May 14, 2008 08:49 PM (085kT)
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Fauxtography. As several others have suggested. The absence of blood and pus (the response of white blood cells to a foreign body) alone render this an obvious fake. In addition, if there is, in fact an entry wound on the opposite side of the arm, the "victim" would be screaming in pain as the person supposedly "removing" the bullet, apparently without rubber gloves, antiseptic or medical tools, put pressure on the entry wound.
As for the idea that this could be a round so nearly completely spent as to end up in this position in a woman's arm? Bullets and flesh don't react that way. Possible? Yes, but only to the extent that monkeys might, at any minute, fly from my rear end.
Do you suppose Scott Beauchamp is involved? Could this be one of those fabled square bullets?
Posted by: Mike at May 14, 2008 10:46 PM (niRCJ)
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The scarring I was referring to are the lines that start about 1-2 inches above the foreign object. The statement by a commenter above that those are pressure lines from a tight bandage recently removed make sense.
Posted by: Mekan at May 15, 2008 06:12 PM (JJmRm)
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Neither the M62 nor the M276 have a red tip. So you can count out 7.62x51.
The Syrian made PANSSART SYTYTYS in 7.62x39 does have a red tip.
Posted by: Eric at May 18, 2008 02:08 PM (Gj+EH)
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"As for the idea that this could be a round so nearly completely spent as to end up in this position in a woman's arm? Bullets and flesh don't react that way. Possible? Yes, but only to the extent that monkeys might, at any minute, fly from my rear end."
As many projectiles used in AK style weapons are coper washed steel jacketed mild steel core, it would not be difficult to say that it could have gone through a soft structure and entered her arm with minimal (zero to no) deformation of the projectile.
It is very difficult to tell if they cleaned it before removing it.
It does seem fishy, I will give ya that. But weirder things have happened.
One odd thing here. While we can not see the projectile very well, we should be able to see some striations. We can not.
Posted by: Eric at May 18, 2008 02:16 PM (Gj+EH)
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