August 15, 2008
Silk Purses, Hog's Ears
Via TPM Election Central comes word that Barack Obama's presidential campaign is once again trying to create a new marketing theme, and
this one will launch tomorrow.
Why this design?
According to an Obama aide, the new effort dovetails with a renewed push by the Obama team in Pennsylvania to poke fun at John McCain's recent claim that he would rather hear the roar of "50,000 Harleys" than the cheering of 200,000 Berliners.
As the Obama camp was quick to point out, McCain opposed legislation that would have forced the U.S. government to buy American-made motorcycles.
The Obama camp's push on the issue includes running this recent ad, which was running in the York market and mocks McCain's Harley quote while pointing out McCain's position on American-made bikes, in two new markets in Pennsylvania beginning tomorrow -- the Pittsburgh and Scranton/Wilkes-Barre markets.
Obama's Pennsylvania campaign, the aide says, will be hitting the ground this weekend in around five towns around the state with stickers and flyers bearing the above "Buy American, Vote Obama" logo.
The events will feature a few dozen actual Harley riders for Obama that have been recruited for the weekend's events.
"Harley riders aren't typically supportive of Democratic candidates," the aide says. "But we're making a play for them by saying that Obama's economic policies are the true patriotic ones."
They. Don't. Get. It.
Patriotic purchasing doesn't come from buying products just because they're made in America, but instead comes from choosing American-made products because you have faith that American companies such as H-D put the time and effort into building a quality American-made product you can be proud of, making you want to own it.
There is nothing patriotic about forcing Americans to buy specific products, but socialists like Obama are by nature anti-capitalistic, so should we be surprised that his campaign gets this wrong?
Perhaps progressives really think that bikers are bitter, clingy knuckle-draggers that can be influenced by such a half-hearted effort, but I think they are going to be sorely disappointed. The pandering is simply too transparent and insincere.
Should Obama need bikers, however, I think we can find some that are a bit more his speed.
To thine own self be true, Obamamessiah.
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A Perfect Home
I never quite appreciated how good of a fit Matt Yglesias was for his
new home at Think Progress until I got a chance to see him in action
this morning, hacking away with the intellectual dishonesty that has given
Think Progress the reputation it has so richly earned (but surprisingly, hasn't yet found a way to tax).
John McCain deems the Georgia-Russia war the "first serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War"...
Satyam notes "the Gulf War, 9/11, and the Iraq War, to name a few" as possible alternatives. But beyond McCainÂ’s seemingly poor memory, the interesting thing is the confusion in terms of high-level concepts. It was just a little while ago that McCain was giving speeches about how "the threat of radical Islamic terrorism" is "transcendent challenge of our time." Now Russia seems to be the transcendent challenge. Which is the problem with an approach to world affairs characterized by a near-constant hysteria about threat levels and a pathological inability to set priorities.
I'm no McCain fan by any stretch of the imagination, but it takes a person of true intellectual dishonesty to twist McCain's words the way these Soros drones have done.
As we now stand, Russia and the United States, two nuclear powers equipped with continent-killing ICBMs with MIRV warheads, are indeed in a diplomatic crisis over the recent Russian invasion and occupation of Georgia. It is the first serious international crisis since we last stood toe-to-toe with Moscow during the Cold War.
Is Yglesias actually daft enough to suggest that acknowledging a new or renewed threat is wrong, and that it should be ignored so you can stick with your party's pre-planned script? That's not mature statecraft. That's sticking your head in the sand... beach sand.
The Iraq War was and is a regional conflict, with little threat of expanding into a serious international crisis. The same holds true with the lower-intensity invasion of Afghanistan that began after 9/11; neither country had the weaponry or diplomatic power to engage in serious force projection outside of their regional spheres.
McCain was perfectly precise with his choice of words to describe the current crisis, just as he was when he described Iraq as the first major conflict since 9/11, leaving out Afghanistan precisely because it wasn't a major conflict, but a campaign waged primarily via special forces teams incorporating with indigenous forces and air support.
Of course, no one at Think Progress understands the first thing about the military other than the mention of them gets their spit glands revved, so that is hardly surprising.
That Yglesias would use his own blanket ignorance as an excuse to once again imply McCain is going senile is pathetic, but it's what we'd come to expect from the support mechanism of the community reality-based he now so deservedly calls home.
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[Satyam notes "the Gulf War, 9/11, and the Iraq War, to name a few" as possible alternatives.]
Yes, these were ugly and dangerous situations all to be sure. But this invasion of Georgia is the worst. The Russian Bear is on the march to reclaim her old territory and there is really not much the United States can do about it. NATO is basically us. Germany has a fine military but no will to use it. We drew down our military so much after 1992 (Clinton's Peace Dividend) that our only option would be nuclear and we are not going there.
We could drastically cut ties to Russia, no flights, no dollar transfers; expel all Russian passports and such. It would not help Georgia but it would be the right thing to do.
But it is time America came home. End NATO, pull out of Korea and the Balkans and get out of Iraq as soon as reason allows. As long as we are who we are we will be hated; I for one have no interest in changing to make nice with European, India-Asian or other sensibilities.
America for Americans
The Hell with Europe
Posted by: RGinArizona at August 15, 2008 11:46 AM (y054i)
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Soros and friends gave big money to McCain's "Reform Institute" after he lost the 2000 bid to Bush(see Michelle Malkin's archived list of donors), it turns out that McCain was another very prescient Soros investment, and McCain is the bait leading the party into an "ambush"...Win-win for Soros, lose-lose for the country.
Posted by: J David at August 15, 2008 12:17 PM (iCa6z)
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This tells us much more about Matt's vicious hatred of the military than it does McCains words.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 15, 2008 01:46 PM (kNqJV)
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By all measures, it seems that Matt Yglesias is unable to chew gum and walk at the same time, so why expect him to understand the possibility that they guy swaggering about with the nukes is just a bit more dangerous than the guy who is swaggering about hoping for the nukes.
Posted by: Neo at August 15, 2008 03:02 PM (Yozw9)
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What's changed since the cold war. The liberals were always walking around chanting 'better red than dead' ... I fail to see anything different in their current lunacy from the previous lunacy.
Posted by: bill-tb at August 15, 2008 03:52 PM (7evkT)
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CY, By your argument, that nuclear powers qualify as true crisis, then the ongoing and recent border battles between India and Pakistan qualify. So, you're incorrect, as is McCain, by your own argument.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4425896.ece
Posted by: DJ at August 15, 2008 04:32 PM (B2CQP)
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Not at all, DJ.
The India/Pakistan conflict has been going on in one form or another for roughly a thousand years, and has roughly stabilized into a simmering, low-grade affair that occasionally sees moderate flares of violence. Though nuclear armed, their cultural similarities and close proximity means the threat of a nuclear conflict is remote. The number and power of the nuclear weapons they have is limited, as is the range of their weapons. It would be a catastrophe for Asia if the went nuclear, but it would not eliminate humanity.
Russian and the United States, however, have literally come within minutes of nuclear war several times in our history, can strike anywhere on the planet, and were they to go to nuclear war, would go with enough force to kill virtually every man, woman, and child on Earth.
Big difference. Kinda surprised you can't get that on your own.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 15, 2008 05:10 PM (HcgFD)
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Ok, DJ, try to follow along, I'll try to go slowly. The key phrase is "international crisis." This may be a stretch but I'm going to assume you know what that means. Do you think Argentina has to worry about getting hit by Pakistan nukes? How about Mexico getting hit by Indian nukes? See where this is heading? "international crisis"........Mexico and Argentina not worried......get it?
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 15, 2008 05:13 PM (kNqJV)
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CY, you beat me to it, I tried to simplify it since he's obviously a liberal. They're not real good at critical thinking.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 15, 2008 05:15 PM (kNqJV)
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One problem is labling Iraq and Afghanistan as wars when they are actually campaigns in a larger war.
What is illustrative (as if we needed more examples) is the thinking that asks "What did the US do to cause this?" instead of placing the blame on the guy who actually sent the tanks in. Reminds me of those who blamed the US for Iraq invading Kuwait, because the US ambassador to Iraq did not unequivocally state that such an act would have the US react with force.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at August 15, 2008 06:01 PM (TUWci)
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P.S. Isolationism does not work. Ask Tibet about that.
And waiting for the international community doesn't either. Ask Abyssinia about that.
From the international community you will get resolutions without regiments; from isolationism you will find yourself watching allies and potential allies fall until you find yourself the target with no others by your side.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at August 15, 2008 06:05 PM (TUWci)
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Poor Matthew. His grandfather was a noted novelist, his father a novelist and screen writer of merit, but the literary chops diminished over the years. Matt Yglesias is the unfortunate result of genetic decrescendo.
Posted by: zhombre at August 15, 2008 08:29 PM (kMXIy)
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Perhaps this brainiac Yglesias needs to be reminded that his fellow lefties viewed Iraq's 1990 invasion as such a grave international crisis that a significant majority of democrats in congress voted against the first Iraq War AUMF. Mind boggling the stupidity and dishonesty just to maintain the meme.
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August 14, 2008
OTM Strikes Out Again
You've got to hand it to the Obama Truther Movement (a driven mix of Hillary loving PUMAs and conservatives)... they let few things stand in the way of their absolute certainty that Barack Obama is an Indonesian-Kenyan Muslim draft dodger...
including the facts.
What I can't get is why they spend so much time focusing on trying to disqualify him using questionable documents, when his proven record is so much worse.
Who gives a crap if his last name was Soetoro as a child, when he choses infanticide today?
Why should I care if Barack Obama was labelled a Muslim (obviously meant to imply he might be a terrorist), when he started his political career at the home of proud, publicly known domestic terrorists with whom he's had a long relationship?
There are plenty of real reasons to criticize Barack Obama. Let's stick to those, shall we?
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I like using all of it against him. The book Obamanation is on its way as well as The case against Obama. I want to use every tool to defeat this fool.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at August 14, 2008 03:21 PM (J5AYY)
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Concur. Why not just stack it all together? And by "it" I mean the facts of him, not politically motivated assertions.
Posted by: Dawnfire82 at August 14, 2008 03:44 PM (b8gcU)
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Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:
I believe the point is to use the Provably True things that disqualify the fool and not the stupid made up bullcrap these morons are using. Using that stuff Helps him by giving a list of False things to hold out and cover the real things by implication that all are false.
Posted by: JP at August 14, 2008 03:49 PM (Tae/a)
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That was a darn good post. Nice and simple.
Facts = good.
Wild Guesses = not as good.
Posted by: brando at August 14, 2008 05:03 PM (qzOby)
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The issue, IMHO, is that if the anti-Obama folks (of whom I am one) resort to inane things like Obama not being an American citizen, that opens the door for the anti-McCain folks to make the same claim, and the MoveOnMedia is much better at that sort of smear than the Conservative Alternative Media.
By focusing on the
issues rather than vague rumors about Obama's birth, we move the debate into the arena where McCain can kick Obama's tail.
Posted by: C-C-G at August 14, 2008 05:35 PM (MAHZ+)
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Good for you for debunking this nonsense. There is plenty of real, provable actions to go after Barak. For example his documented voting record....such as it is.
The engine of much of this is the PUMAs who hope to discredit Barak Obama _before_ the nomination and thus enable HRC to get the nomination.
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 15, 2008 03:27 AM (6YY4G)
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Isn't it obvious why the juicy rumors are better than the facts?
The PUMAs, at least, often
agree with Obama on things like what he has voted for. Do we really think the hard-core Hillary fans number many gun-owners?
So, they take the things that can't come back to bite them, should they win out.
I can't explain why conservatives would prefer the sillier charges. Perhaps it's b/c they're looking for a visceral, emotional outlet, having had to put up with BDS for the past 8 years? That's no excuse, however, especially since, as JP notes, citing falsehoods gives Obama cover for his actual foibles and weaknesses.
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Live and Let Pie
Chef Julia Child:
OSS spy?
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First of all, I love this post title! OMG!
2nd, Julia Child has long been my hero for putting the smackdown on Adele Davis so many years ago in the first round of the Health Food Wars.
Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at August 14, 2008 07:55 AM (eDdOG)
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I don't think this has been a big secret about Julia Child. I remember my Mother telling me about her "spy" life a good 30 years ago and it was also part of one of those documentary bios.
I remember as a young and inexperienced bride watching one of her shows where whatever it was she was baking slid right off the pan and onto the floor. She never missed a beat as she picked the food up and put it back on the pan and said it will happen to the best of cooks. I felt so much better because I had dropped the turkey and watched it roll across the floor. Today, my kids still get a laugh about Mom and her escaping turkey.
Posted by: Sara at August 14, 2008 08:39 AM (Wi/N0)
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Tried to make a last ditch run for it Sara? Happens to the best of us LOL!
Posted by: Big Country at August 14, 2008 10:18 AM (niydV)
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There's a wonderful story about a Vermont farmer carving the family's Thanksgiving turkey. It slid off the carving board, and into Aunt Martha's lap.
Farmer: "Martha, can I trouble you for that bird?"
Yes, the info about Miss Child, Mo Berg, et al has been out there for quite a while. There's even a good book about Mo Berg's experiences which I have -- somewhere.
Posted by: Bill Smith at August 14, 2008 12:20 PM (RY+Y/)
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SNL had a skit the French Chef with Julia Child bleeding in the kitchen. Hillarious.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78hchef.phtml
Sorry I can't find the video.
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August 13, 2008
Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Shot
Details are
still coming in, but it appears a man showed up at Democratic Party headquarters, asked for chairman Bill Gwatney by name, was denied a meeting, and then pushed his way in and then shot Gwatney before fleeing.
KATV reports that police chased the suspect and that he is now believed to be dead, though that is unconfirmed at this time; Fox 16 only confirms he was shot by police.
Please pray for Mr. Gwatney and his family.
We'll update as more information becomes available.
Update: Ark Times blog has the most detail on this developing story, including the claim that the shooter switched vehicles during his attempted escape, and that he in custody. There are contradicting reports about the shooter's condition.
Update: Among other sources, WREG seems to be going the "airing the theory" route, noting Gwatney owns multiple car dealerships and that the suspect made comments about losing his job recently. That does not mean the suspect was a Gwatney employee of course—he could just as easily have some other reason for targeting Gwatney, personal or political—but until the suspect is identified, we simply won't know more.
The most recent update to the Ark Times blog also notes that Gwatney's dealerships had recent layoffs, the shooter was apparently one of Gwatney's employee's (still not officially confirmed), and that the shooter died en route to the hospital.
The national media is slow to catch up on the suspected motivations of the shooter. I'm certain that this is out of concerns for accuracy, and not an attempt to let misplaced anger simmer for as long as possible for those who would ascribe a political motivation.
Like clockwork: The paranoids denizens of the Democratic Undergound, Think Progress, and other "progressive" sites have laid the blame squarely at the feet of conservatives, talk radio... and racists?
Update: Gwatney has died.
There is some disagreement over the suspect's ID but the aforementioned Ark Times blog presently states:
...the suspect was a former employee of a Gwatney car dealership. News reports are identifying him as Tim Johnson, 50, of Searcy. According to one report, unconfirmed he was a body shop worker at a Gwatney dealership in Sherwood. A woman who answered the phone there hung up after issuing a no comment to a question. A Little Rock police spokesman, however, told Arkansas Business that the shooter was not a Gwatney dealership employee.
RTT News (a source I am not familiar with) cites police sources as confirming Johnson as the shooter.
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Posted by: Snooper at August 13, 2008 02:29 PM (OZrSP)
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Wow... just went over and waded through the sewer that the libs are creating over this whole thing... what a mess. No matter WHAT the causation behind this shooting they're over there at the 'stinkprogress' website cookin away like a bunch of demented conspirercy freaks. You would think that BY NOW if us conservatives were REALLY out to get them, that they themselves would have been tracked don, killed and skinned and that'd be that... talk about a bunch of wingnuts
Posted by: Big Country at August 13, 2008 03:32 PM (niydV)
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Of course it the liberals who are at fault for this guy losing his job. If we would just stay the course and spend all our money in Iraq and continue to give big oil their tax breaks and give corporations tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas we will eventually get out of this downturn.
We all know that taxing the wealthy won't help, because it will cost us jobs. Liberals need to stick to one idea and not flip flop there is no room to be flexible with ideas, we must be stuck in the mud for the rest of our lives.
Fox news has the fair and balanced story they only tell the conservative side of issues and we all should listen to Hannity, because he's one of us. So stick together and we can put McCain in Office and get us out of this mess that the democrats got us into.
All we have to do is drill for oil off of florida and california and we'll get the oil companies more money and create jobs and wealth for them. We don't need no stinkin alternative fuel, we need to stay the course drill for oil forever cause we have our stocks and pension tied to it.
We must not be fooled by the dems or their rhetoric they only want to help the poor people with welfare and stop the corporate welfare. We all know that the corporations create the jobs not the people who have to live week to week and spend every dime they make to live. Vote Republican or Die!
Posted by: brainwashed Rednecks forever at August 13, 2008 04:00 PM (6gvAF)
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Little Rock Police are saying the shooter did NOT work for Gwatney.
Posted by: clear water at August 13, 2008 04:38 PM (2HXgZ)
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Where's Pam and her Eliminationist garbage?
Posted by: Vercingetorix at August 13, 2008 05:13 PM (V/FgT)
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Hmmm, maybe the police mean that he didn't work for Gwatney at the time of the shooting...because he had been fired????
Posted by: saywhat at August 13, 2008 05:26 PM (xJGjO)
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That is one weird comments spambot.
Prayers for him and his family tonight.
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From the
Arkansas Times Blog
Shortly after the shooting, police sources said they were working to confirm tentative information that the suspect was a former employee of a Gwatney car dealership. The Little Rock police said, however, at an afternoon news conference that the shooter, whom they did not identify, was NOT a Gwatney employee and, so far as they knew, never had been, contrary to some early reports mentioned here earlier in the day.
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August 12, 2008
Obama Rumor Conclusively Debunked
Sorry to whiz in the
conspiracyverse's corn flakes, but here's one anti-Obama rumor
conclusively put to rest.
Now if we can just get other folks to drop their quixotic quests to target Obama over inane technicalities, we can more focus on dismantling him based upon things that actually matter, such as his character, his experience, his associations, and his radical political goals.
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I don't care if he is an ex-Navy SEAL. He is still an ass.
Posted by: old_dawg at August 12, 2008 01:51 PM (7nc0l)
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It really is irrelevant, but I don't see how a rumor is debunked. If Soetoro adopted little Barack Obama, it would be called a step-parent adoption, the birth certificate would be changed through the courts and at the recorder's office and the step-father would be listed as the father in father block and the surname of the child would be changed. It happens every day in the U.S., in fact, my adopted daughter is a step-parent adoption and we were told in clear terms that once the new BC was issued, she would never again have any proof she was anyone else but the person listed therein. They even backdated age and employment to time of adopting parent to coincide with the time of orig. birth.
The only way to legally change that new name thru adoption would be another court order.
I don't see what the big deal is. Soetoro and his family seem to have welcomed little BO, unlike his own father who abandoned him and was a bigamist.
Posted by: Sara at August 12, 2008 02:10 PM (Wi/N0)
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Not to question your honesty, but I find your email from Selective Service to be suspect because:
Do you REALLY think the Selective Service would provide information outside the FOIA via email?
I, personally, have corresponded with Selective Service many times via email and the response is always "a FOIA must be in writting and signed by the requester." see www.sss.gov's FOIA page.
I am still waiting my FOIA request from Selective Service. This sounds like a fake to me. But since there are exemptions to FOIA releases, I doubt they will give it. For example, exemption:
"(b)(6) - records which if released, would result in clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;"
That has been the excuse I have been given for not getting Obama's information.
But I am a little confused as Senator Obama claims that he was attending College in California (Occidental College) from 1979 until 1980 where he played basketball and was a high scorer. And Occidental college starts its fall semester in August so he was not home for the Summer. (basketball camp starts earlier).
There is a Daniel Amon in the Arlington, VA area:
Amon, Daniel
6413 Rockshire St
Alexandria, VA 22315
703-971-7187
Maybe a call to him will be informative.
If you provided Amon's government email address, that would help support your claim.
Posted by: Stephen bCoffman at August 13, 2008 10:54 AM (7kYO8)
Posted by: Neo at August 14, 2008 07:36 AM (Yozw9)
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"target Obama over inane technicalities",
Technical or criminal?
1. Barack Obama had Indonesian citizenship
2. Barack Obama had the legal name Barry Soetoro
3. Barack Obama was a Muslim, despite his “fight the smears” claim that he never has been. (see new story that we just posted on this topic).
In addition, it means that Barack Obama apparently lied to the Illinois Supreme Court when asked to provide former names, according to this AttorneyÂ’s Registration Record:
Read it all and for the dense it has photo's:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
Of course the (D) excuses all crimes.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 14, 2008 01:14 PM (GAf+S)
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Stephen Coffman, keep up the good work! I agree, not impuning B. Owens honesty, but I'd like to know under what authority this info was released, since I was told the same thing regarding the requirement for a FOIA request. I'm wondering if this was a limited, prememptive release of info, perhaps authorized by Obama. Intent (as in birth certificate flap) may be to cover up some embarassing info (e.g., he registered under a different name, etc.)
Regarding the privacy issue, if the SSS hits you with that, there is an exception for notable public figures.
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Sam Jackson... Be Very Afraid
If he's superstitious about the old wives tale of deaths coming in threes, Samuel L. Jackson should be very afraid. Jackon's movie
Soul Men is in post-production. Also starring in
Soul Men?
Bernie Mac and Isaac Hayes.
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UNC "Jeep Jihadi" Pleads Guilty
Via
WRAL:
Mohammed Taheri-azar, the man accused of trying to run over students at UNC-Chapel Hill two years ago, pleaded guilty Tuesday morning to nine counts of attempted first-degree murder.
He will be sentenced later this month.
Taheri-azar was accused of driving a Jeep Cherokee through The Pit, a popular student gathering space on campus, in March 2006.
He was charged with nine counts of attempted murder. At the time of the attack, Taheri-azar told police he wanted to injure people in response to the U.S. government's treatment of Muslims abroad.
This is the Pit, the area where Taheri-azar, a UNC graduate, tried to kill his fellow students. In a March 5, 2007 court appearance he stated he "hates all Americans" and "hates all Jews."
Shockingly, the Iranian-born American citizen didn't hate American enough to leave it.
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We're All Going to Burn Up or Drown... If We Don't Freeze To Death First
Your latest global warming hysteria, courtesy of one
Oliver Tickell:
We need to get prepared for four degrees of global warming, Bob Watson told the Guardian last week. At first sight this looks like wise counsel from the climate science adviser to Defra. But the idea that we could adapt to a 4C rise is absurd and dangerous. Global warming on this scale would be a catastrophe that would mean, in the immortal words that Chief Seattle probably never spoke, "the end of living and the beginning of survival" for humankind. Or perhaps the beginning of our extinction.
The collapse of the polar ice caps would become inevitable, bringing long-term sea level rises of 70-80 metres. All the world's coastal plains would be lost, complete with ports, cities, transport and industrial infrastructure, and much of the world's most productive farmland. The world's geography would be transformed much as it was at the end of the last ice age, when sea levels rose by about 120 metres to create the Channel, the North Sea and Cardigan Bay out of dry land. Weather would become extreme and unpredictable, with more frequent and severe droughts, floods and hurricanes. The Earth's carrying capacity would be hugely reduced. Billions would undoubtedly die.
Why, isn't that just peachy?
Tickell's solution to the problem? He doesn't actually have one, but he won't tell you that because he's busy whoring a book, trying to cash in on the fear to the same easily-fooled people who bought into the end of the world event known as Y2K... and we know how that turned out.
Here's the facts, folks.
The temperature of the Earth rose nearly one whole degree over the past century, but has actually been falling for the past decade (PDF).
As it now stands, the global temperature now is roughly near the median temperature of the last 2,400 years.
The highest temperatures, as recorded via the chemical record of deep-core Greenland glaciers, were during the height of the Roman Empire. Obviously, this was due to Nero's fiddling while Rome burned fossil fuels.
Over a longer-term view, the relative stability of the global temperature during the most recent interglacial period is more pronounced.
Again, current global temperatures are roughly around the median temperature of the past 10,000 years. Thag the caveman must have had a Buick.
Now let us look at the past 100,000 years, so that we understood how good we've had it as humans—there wasn't a bikini season for the previous 90,000 years.
"Ah-hah!" I can hear Global Warming true believers shouting. "See how the rise of human civilization coincides with global warming? Die, Heretic!" Rest assured I will at some point, but it most likely won't be because of global warming, as an even longer view reveals. Let's look back 420,000 years.
I'm pretty sure we weren't burning many fossil fuels way back when, as "we" didn't exist.
Once again, global temperatures seem to be part of a natural, poorly understood cycle, and our current interglacial period seems ominously close to being at an end.
I'll now turn you over to Drs. Richard A. Muller and Gordon J. MacDonald, whose charts I've been so shamelessly borrowing thus far from the introduction of Ice Ages and Astronomical Causes: data, spectral analysis, and mechanisms, for the big let down for the Global Warming Faithful.
From this plot, it is clear that most of the last 420 thousand years (420 kyr) was spent in ice age. The brief periods when the record peaks above the zero line, the interglacials, typically lasted from a few thousand to perhaps twenty thousand years.
These data should frighten you. All of civilization developed during the last interglacial, and the data show that such interglacials are very brief. Our time looks about up. Data such as these are what led us to state, in the Preface, that the next ice age is about to hit us, any millennium now. It does not take a detailed theory to make this prediction. We don't necessarily know why the next ice age is imminent (at least on a geological time scale), but the pattern is unmistakable.
The real reason to be frightened is that we really don't understand what causes the pattern. We don't know why the ice ages are broken by the short interglacials. We do know something – that the driving force is astronomical. We’ll describe how we know that in Chapter 2. We have models that relate the astronomical mechanisms to changes in climate, but we don't know which of our models are right, or if any of them are. We will discuss these models in some detail in this book. Much of the work of understanding lies in the future. It is a great field for a young student to enter.
Muller and MacDonald end their book's introduction noting that we'll probably see gradual rises in temperature through the middle of this century, but the historical record suggests that it is a cooling, nor a warming, that is in the Earth's future, and that the mechanisms are not understood, clearly predate human influence, and that there is absolutely nothing we can do about it.
Feel free to disagree. However, as you run to higher ground, please just leave me the keys to the beach house, will you?
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This global warming hoax is getting old!
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 12, 2008 11:05 AM (kNqJV)
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Last winter was an average smasher; it wiped out all the warming since the '70s. This winter will tell the tale. If you subscribe to the astronomical causes it seems the Maunder Minimum of solar activity is underway and has been for ten years. If the past is a guide, decades of steep declines in temp are in store for us and there is absolutely nothing to be done about it except turn up the heat. Interestingly, if you chart the "global cooling" scare of the disco era, you see that it peaked about ten years after the cooling maxed out. Like atmospheric CO2, it seems that climate change hysteria is a lagging indicator.
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A century ago a Serbian scientist named Milan Milankovitch presented a concept that seems to link glacials and interglacials to variations in Earth's orbit and variations in the axis of rotation. See Milankovitch Cycles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
Unlike the “Hockey Stick” models, this theory tracks with empirical data.
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Accurate as Ever at the L.A. Times
Richard Serrano published a story in the Los Angeles on Sunday entitled
U.S. guns arm Mexican drug cartels.
In a marked improvement in the accuracy of Times stories, Serrano did not utter a factual inaccuracy until the third word of the article's first sentence.
High-powered automatic weapons and ammunition are flowing virtually unchecked from border states into Mexico, fueling a war among drug traffickers, the army and police that has left thousands dead, according to U.S. and Mexican officials.
The rifles being picked up along the border are of course not automatic weapons—machine guns—but are instead semi-automatic weapons which fire one bullet per trigger pull.
Further down in the article Serrano relates without question the claim that the FN Five-seveN pistol is armor-piercing, without bothering to see if armor-piercing ammunition is available for the pistols in the United States... and of course, it isn't, being barred for all but military and police sale by federal law.
Being ever helpful, I sent Mr. Serrano an email explaining where his story was wrong and needed corrections. Serrano has thus far neither responded, nor corrected his article.
In hopes of spurring some sort of interest in correcting the article, I emailed the National section editors of the Times, and made the radical suggestion that for future articles, they may want to consider interviewing actual gun experts instead of Mexican drug dealers when discussing the capabilities of firearms.
I doubt they'll listen to such suggestions, but we can always hope.
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"The rifles being picked up along the border are of course not automatic weapons—machine guns—but are instead semi-automatic weapons which fire one bullet per trigger pull."
He must have been using DC's definition of automatic weapons.
Idiotic, totally idiotic.
Posted by: Matt at August 11, 2008 03:43 PM (rHW2R)
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PS. The Five-seveN is junk. Terminal and external ballistics stink.
Posted by: Matt at August 11, 2008 03:44 PM (rHW2R)
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That is a snarky piece, even by current standards.
Let me see if I get this straight. He says that Mexican drug dealers are buying automatic weapons from US gun dealers, sometimes using straw man purchasers, and smuggling the guns back across the Mexican border. If that is what he is saying, then every single step in that process is already a federal crime. It is a federal crime for dealers to sell to non-citizens, (except resident aliens) and it is a crime for non-citizens to attempt to buy. It is a federal crime to sell automatic weapons to any civilian and it is a federal crime for ordinary civilians to possess same. It is a federal crime for any dealer to sell to any civilian who is not a resident of the state in which the dealer is licensed and it is a federal crime for any civilian to buy or attempt to buy a gun from a dealer outside of his or her state of residence. It is a federal crime to buy or sell a gun through a straw man purchaser. It is a federal crime to export a gun without an export license.
If this stuff is really happening, why don't they just start making arrests? Why is it necessary to advocate new laws to make it "double" illegal? If they know who is doing it, arrest them. If they don't know, how does a new law have an affect?
Here is the part that is the cherry on this slimy piece of cake:
"More than 6,700 licensed gun dealers have set up shop within a short drive of the 2,000-mile border, from the Gulf Coast of Texas to San Diego -- which amounts to more than three dealers for every mile of border territory. Law enforcement has come to call the region an "iron river of guns."
He implies that all these dealers have recently set up shop to cash in on this cross border trade. He does not define what is "a short drive", but if this range includes Los Angeles, San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, Laredo, Brownsville, San Antonio and every pawn shop and Walmart therein and in between, then the total number might be 6,700, but is that a larger number of gun dealers per capita than any comparable region of the rest of the US? Somehow, I doubt it.
Oh, and the bit about the guns being traced to the US is a disgusting bit of deception as well. Remember, these drug dealers are masters of smuggling and black market trading. If they can obtain and move large amounts of heroin and cocaine from places like Bolivia and Venezuela, it is hard to imagine that they can't find all the guns they want on the international black market in weapons. So, if a US made AR15 is sold to the Columbian Army, stolen by the FARC rebels and sold on the black market to Mexican cocaine smugglers, then, yes, that gun can be traced to the US. Whatever else such a trade might represent, it is not grounds for further infringement of the people's right to keep and bear arms, (which is his real goal.)
But maybe the guy has a point, in addition to the one on the top of his head. If all this is true, then the surest remedy is to build an impenetrable fence along the US/Mexican border from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific. If it will help disarm the smugglers it will be worth it.
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"But maybe the guy has a point, in addition to the one on the top of this head. If all this...."
George, there are times in your life when you say, " I wish I had said that", but damn, that post just might be the sweetest read I've had in quite a while, and yes, I wish I had said that!
Posted by: templar knight at August 11, 2008 05:22 PM (JkXo/)
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The LAT can't go out of business soon enough for me.
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Well, why would the reporter, who clearly has a position he wants to advance, want to be bothered by facts. Apparently J-school is for those who want to do more of an advocacy based writing career. But reporters, excuse me, journalists, are always making these kinds of errors, on all sorts of topics.
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Unable to beat the Israeli Defense Forces via conventional tactics, the crack Hamas Line Dancing Battalion prepares for an achy-breaky cross border raid.
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The guy on the left (in the pastel green cap) is doing it his way (visibly out of step). The marching/jogging with hands on the belt, is this some sort of punishment drill?
Posted by: Penfold at August 11, 2008 01:49 PM (lF2Kk)
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That's some fine dancin'.
Posted by: JayneCobb at August 11, 2008 03:36 PM (/j9KS)
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It looks to me that the way they're all holding their belts and pants that the next step would be the "Synchronized Moon."
"OK Abdul on the count of 3..."
Posted by: Big Country at August 11, 2008 05:48 PM (niydV)
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You should see them when they get into the Can Can.
Posted by: David at August 11, 2008 05:51 PM (obujj)
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Hamas is auditioning for River Dance?
Posted by: Booss429 at August 12, 2008 08:14 AM (V1z4W)
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The guy on the left is out of step (or everyone else is).
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HuffPo: War in Georgia Engineered To Help McCain
Sadly, he
appears to be serious:
In classic "Wag The Dog" scenario there is a neat little war brewing between American and Russian proxies, and real Russian troops, in the Caucacus Mountains on the Russian border.
It couldn't come at a better time for the Republicans.
McCain gets to act and talk tough against the Russians, while Obama is on vacation in Hawaii, issuing "can't we all get along statements."
It perfectly augments Republican campaign points: Obama is not ready. He is not tough, experienced enough to deal with a dangerous world.
Do you appreciate the power and planning that went into this? I don't think you do.
Not only did McCain engineer the the build-up of Russian forces along the border of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, he also orchestrated the Georgian offer of a ceasefire last week, the South Ossetia separatist's response of shelling Georgia, and the Georgian counterstrike that triggered the pre-planned Russian invasion— all carefully timed to coincide with Barack Obama's vacation.
As it is obvious to see, thousands of people have been killed and a country invaded and ripped apart, just to give John McCain a chance to sound tough. But the plot is even more insidious than HuffPo author Blake Fleetwood suggests.
Not only did McCain carefully orchestrate three armed forces in two countries in such a way that it looked like they were acting selfishly in their own best interests instead of as agents of a U.S. Presidential campaign, he also managed to convince Barack Obama to give a spineless response that made McCain sound like a far more knowledgeable, experienced, and competent leader that Obama has ever pretended to be.
The kicker?
In the absolutely most fantabulous move of all, McCain then convinced Obama to flip-flop on his previous spineless position to poorly echo McCain's stance, reinforcing it as the correct one, while gutting his own credibility and showing himself to be hopelessly incapable of performing as a President.
John McCain: He bends steel and breaks candidates and countries with his mind.
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HuffPo: War in Georgia Engineered To Help McCain
Sadly, he
appears to be serious:
In classic "Wag The Dog" scenario there is a neat little war brewing between American and Russian proxies, and real Russian troops, in the Caucacus Mountains on the Russian border.
It couldn't come at a better time for the Republicans.
McCain gets to act and talk tough against the Russians, while Obama is on vacation in Hawaii, issuing "can't we all get along statements."
It perfectly augments Republican campaign points: Obama is not ready. He is not tough, experienced enough to deal with a dangerous world.
Do you appreciate the power and planning that went into this? I don't think you do.
Not only did McCain engineer the build-up of Russian forces along the border of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, he also orchestrated the Georgian offer of a ceasefire last week, the South Ossetia separatist's response of shelling Georgia, and the Georgian counterstrike that triggered the pre-planned Russian invasion— all carefully timed to coincide with Barack Obama's vacation.
As it is obvious to see, thousands of people have been killed and a country invaded and ripped apart, just to give John McCain a chance to sound tough. But the plot is even more insidious than HuffPo author Blake Fleetwood suggests.
Not only did McCain carefully orchestrate three armed forces in two countries in such a way that it looked like they were acting selfishly in their own best interests instead of as agents of a U.S. Presidential campaign, he also managed to convince Barack Obama to give a spineless response that made McCain sound like a far more knowledgeable, experienced, and competent leader that OBama has ever pretended to be.
The kicker?
In the absolutely most fantabulous move of all, McCain then convinced Obama to flip-flop on his previous spineless position to poorly echo McCain's stance, reinforcing it as the correct one, while gutting his own credibility and showing himself to be hopelessly incapable of performing as a President.
John McCain. He bends steel and breaks candidates and countries with his mind.
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I think you misunderstand cause and effect. The Huffpo blogger didn't say McCain CAUSED the war, just that he benefits from the effects of it. And really, how is this any different than Charlie Black saying that another terrorist attack would be good for McCain?
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Of course McCain benefits from the Russian aggression and threat to other democracies in the region. He benefits from
any honest focus on
serious issues because Obama has no credible policies, just pseudo-charisma and rhetoric.
The images of Russian aggression drag the voter away from the MSM's "Entertainment Tonight Presidential campaign" and back to a Cold War or 9-12-2001 mindset. Any serious voter will snap out of the Obama fairy tale and realize that "Good Grief, Putin will eat this neophyte for lunch and ask what's for dessert."
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To dbeden@gmail.com
You said "The Huffpo blogger didn't say McCain CAUSED the war."
Is that so??
Did you not understand the statment?
"In classic "Wag The Dog" scenario"
Look it up...
Tins...
Posted by: Tinstaafl at August 11, 2008 12:34 PM (tsi/8)
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John McCain, you magnificent bastard!!
Posted by: tonynoboloney at August 11, 2008 12:37 PM (axuse)
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HuffPo is just one of the larger insane asylums in the "rreality-based community".
Posted by: Nahanni at August 11, 2008 12:39 PM (TaiG5)
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Obviously, Putin didn't want the incredible leadership of "The One" to overshadow himself, so he decided to have a war that "distracts" from the "celebrity" of "The One" and forces Americans to consider unreasonable lunatics like Putin (much like the Joker in Batman) that don't take to the incredible negotiating skills of "The One" (which have never been demonstrated before).
I also have some beach front property in New Mexico for sale.
Posted by: Neo at August 11, 2008 01:19 PM (Yozw9)
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Better yet, a few of the Leftosphere sites are now complaining that parts of McCain's statement was lifted from Wikipedia.
The world could be burning and these clowns are still dotting the "i"-s and crossing the "t"-s.
Posted by: Neo at August 11, 2008 02:16 PM (Yozw9)
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What really has to frost the Obama braintrust is that this crisis came out of the blue, and after Obama foreign policy advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski met with Iran's buttboy, Syria's Assad, to forestall any dustup in the MiddleEast prior to the election.
Nancy Pelosi even made a followup visit to Assad to confirm the message to Iran -- no funny stuff before the November election, it can only hurt the team. What a bunch of lightweights.
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capitano - "Of course McCain benefits from the Russian aggression and threat to other democracies in the region. He benefits from any honest focus on serious issues because Obama has no credible policies, just pseudo-charisma and rhetoric."
ding ding ding ding!!!! We have a winner!
Anything that actually wakes people up and makes them pay attention is bad for Obama... he needs people daydreaming about change and hope to have any shot of winning the election. Too many people actually paying attention will draw attention to his obvious lack of any experience, lack of any realistic ideas, and lack of any serious thoughts regarding real world issues.
Posted by: GL at August 11, 2008 04:05 PM (vpAFg)
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Imagine if this war had broken out two weeks ago while Obama was in Europe.
The one major fact that seems to be treated as a non-sequitur is that fact that most of Europe is on vacation this month, a fact that I'm sure the Russians took into consideration.
If Russia had attack France during August, they would not have mounted a defense until September.
Posted by: Neo at August 11, 2008 04:33 PM (Yozw9)
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Hmmm can we expect a strident dhimmierat response to this invasion. Will Code Pink protest? Will Soros fund a resistance movement?
It is as Chamberlain said before he winked at the Nazis, "a little country, far away, of which we know little." I expect the same statement from the dhimmies soon along with a harsh letter condemning the Russians to the NY Times.
Posted by: Thomas Jackson at August 11, 2008 05:20 PM (LHaZf)
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I... I... I... for once, I can't parody these folks... they've become
self-parodying!
Posted by: C-C-G at August 11, 2008 05:46 PM (MAHZ+)
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In Wag The Dog, a fake war was fabricated to deflect from a political sex scandal. Which party exactly currently has a sex scandal breaking? J'ASSUSE!
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re: Huffpo Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Posted by: Huntress at August 12, 2008 12:19 PM (Qn9iF)
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Georgia will benefit McCain over Obama. We know McCain. He’s proven himself with 50 years of service to America. He had a distinguished military career and has been a leader in Congress. Most of all, when no one is watching, he will do the right thing. He has integrity.
Obama has no experience, no record, no plan, no leadership, no judgment and no integrity. Politically, he is closer to Mikhail Gorbachev than John McCain. Hillary’s 3 AM phone call ad is more relevant today than ever before. Barack's word is worth nothing.
Posted by: arch at August 12, 2008 02:30 PM (EQFru)
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Arch, let's also remember, McCain's first reaction was the correct one, whereas Obama had to change his tune twice before he finally decided to echo McCain.
This comes from McCain actually studying our enemies, while Obama just wants to invite them for tea where he can join them in denouncing America.
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"These aren't the talking points you're looking for."
"Move on..."
/snerk
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August 08, 2008
Barack O'Borrow? Probably Not
There is the claim that Barack Obama took an anecdote in
The Audacity of Hope from a story told about G. Gordon Liddy in
All the President's Men from 1976, or perhaps 1962's
Lawrence of Arabia.
The YouTube video comes courtesy of the G. Gordon Liddy show, so it is rather obvious which source he'd prefer Obama cite, but I'm not willing to to say Obama necessarily borrowed this story. The only reason this claim merits a second look is the fact that Obama used the words of his friend Deval Patrick on several occasions without immediate attribution.
I've seen similar firsthand stupid tricks at parties and bars from high school through college, performed by young men fueled with testosterone and alcohol and a momentarly lapse of common sense. This form of a tough guy routine, followed with some sort of gritty catch phrase, is almost certainly older than Obama or Liddy or Lawrence of Arabia, and I would not be surprised at all to discover similar acts of bravado in ancient Greece or Rome.
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A psuedo-macho anecdote may be a trifle, but what if he IS just remembering that scene from elsewhere? What else has been pilfered?
Posted by: DoorHold at August 10, 2008 11:31 AM (RyoGi)
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Actually, there was a famous Gaius Mucius Scaevola of Rome who burnt his hand in the fire to show that he was fearless.
Posted by: Nikolay at August 11, 2008 09:01 AM (RNpZs)
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Here is a link to the full scene from Lawrence of Arabia. It's has more similarity than the scene from All the President's Men.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY6iKJn-HK4
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Unintentially Appropriate
The funny thing about true believers of any religion is how accidentally appropriate their signs and symbols may be seen by others. The L.A.-based ad agency sees—uh—"people coming together" for Obama.
Those of us who aren't as in love with the Freshman Senator would rather not grasp the symbolism.
Update Baldilocks finds a creepy Star Trek parallel.
This is a little closer to the reality he promises:
Next Up: His new campaign song, Don't Fear the Reamer.
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Appropriate symbol. Looks like the rear end bones of an animal that starved to death, or Michelle O ready to give someone a Monica.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 08, 2008 12:22 AM (GAf+S)
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I dunno. Maybe McCain's campaign ripping off the logo of a company that sells frozen potato products is unintentionally appropriate too.
McCain
Posted by: skylark at August 08, 2008 01:35 AM (BKwMs)
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Or "Unintentially Appropriate" as CY would say.
Posted by: skylark at August 08, 2008 01:37 AM (BKwMs)
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Sure skylark—different colors, shapes, symbols, font, etc, but they are
exactly the same, because they use the same name.
Weak.
No, if you want to see something a lot closer to a logo being ripped off, look at
GlaxoSmithKline:
The Other White Meat.
Similar "guitar pick" symbol shape, very similar narrow semi-serif fonts.
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When I was a schoolboy, using that two-handed gesture forming an "O" would have been enough to get the crap beat out of you.
It was the equivalent of calling someone an a.hole.
Posted by: Neo at August 08, 2008 08:41 AM (Yozw9)
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Heh. Should say SIGN OF ASSHOLE - I played with the graphic, too - http://www.thedonovan.com/beth/archives/2008/08/all_these_graph.html
Posted by: Beth Donovan at August 08, 2008 09:13 AM (lO+6d)
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I believe this is taken from the movie '1984' with Richard Burton. This is the sogn of adoration given to Big Brother. Will the voters see thru our new Benitto?
Posted by: David M Lewis at August 08, 2008 09:51 AM (8g9gl)
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I'm surprised no one has noted how stylistically similar the image is to the posters frequently seen throughout the Soviet Union. The color is blue, not red, but it still has a "Workers of the world, unite!" feel to it.
Posted by: Diffus at August 08, 2008 09:59 AM (MR/ge)
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You're the best, you unschooled, inbred cracker.
Posted by: Foreigner at August 08, 2008 10:19 AM (slCOz)
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Diffus, it does have a little likeness to the
communist card propaganda posters.
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 08, 2008 12:19 PM (kNqJV)
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Hey .. isn't that racist ?
Posted by: Neo at August 08, 2008 12:28 PM (Yozw9)
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I didn't know we were electing a "Wanker in Chief"
Posted by: Neo at August 08, 2008 12:30 PM (Yozw9)
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i saw a special on t.v. about some things perverts do to each other, it's called fisting.
Posted by: pappy at August 08, 2008 04:21 PM (DBLki)
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For even more opinions of Obama's new sign, you seriously need to check out the US News article. If you don't end up laughing at the article, the comments will have you on the floor! People, we are not the only ones who see a problem here!
Check it out at http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/08/07/one-nation-under-a-new-obama-salute.html
Posted by: Silvera at August 09, 2008 11:54 AM (4Wp7K)
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One more piece of evidence for Obama's inexperience, and the inexperience of those around him. Any seasoned political operative would have tossed this idea in the round file.
Posted by: C-C-G at August 09, 2008 12:33 PM (MAHZ+)
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What I don't understand is whether this is the sign conservatives are supposed to make when they see Obama supporters, while sticking their tongues out of their mouths and rotating them around their lips, or whether it is actually the sign Obama supporters are intended to use?
A little help here.
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One more piece of evidence for Obama's inexperience, and the inexperience of those around him. Any seasoned political operative would have tossed this idea in the round file
Posted by: C-C-G at August 9, 2008 12:33 PM
Really? What's your evidence that this came from any Obama operative at all?
From all accounts, it's just a couple of guys at an ad agency.
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My apologies, I misread the original article.
Posted by: C-C-G at August 09, 2008 07:16 PM (MAHZ+)
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It's sort of interesting that this Husong guy who claims to be such a big Obama supporter doesn't show up in any of the donor databases.
www.opensecrets.org
Posted by: skylark at August 10, 2008 02:56 AM (apvfm)
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Skylark, there are ways of supporting that don't include the exchange of greenbacks.
Such as, for instance, designing campaign posters for free.
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I take it the Obamamites are supposed to flash this sign, last time I remember something similar things didn't turn out
so good.
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A man has be arrested for making threats against Barack Obama.
Notice any difference in how the story is told, however?
CNN's version:
A man is being held in Florida on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, according to court documents.
An affidavit filed by a Secret Service agent in U.S. District Court claims that Raymond Hunter Geisel, of Marathon, Florida, threatened to "kill, kidnap and cause bodily harm upon a major candidate for president of the United States, that is, Senator Barack Obama."
The affidavit says Geisel made the threats while attending a bail bondsman training class in Miami.
During an interview with the Secret Service, Geisel denied threatening Obama, but told agents that "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he would simply shoot him with a sniper rifle."
He later said that comment was a joke, the agent said in the document.
AP's version:
A man who authorities said was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car appeared in court Thursday on charges he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Raymond Hunter Geisel, 22, was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held at Miami's downtown detention center without bail Thursday by a federal magistrate.
A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July. According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."
Obama was most recently in Florida on Aug. 1-2 but did not visit the South Florida area.
Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.
Geisel denied in a written statement to a Secret Service agent that he ever made those threats, and the documents don't indicate that he ever took steps to carry out any assassination. He was charged only with threatening Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, but not for any threat against President Bush.
Geisel's court-appointed attorney declined comment.
In the interview with a Secret Service agent, Geisel said "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he simply would shoot him with a sniper rifle, but then he claimed that he was just joking," according to court documents.
A search of Geisel's 1998 Ford Explorer and hotel room in Miami uncovered a loaded 9mm handgun, knives, dozens of rounds of ammunition including armor-piercing types, body armor, military-style fatigues and a machete. The SUV was wired with flashing red and yellow emergency lights.
Geisel told the Secret Service he was originally from Bangor, Maine, and had been living recently in a houseboat in the Florida Keys town of Marathon, according to court documents. He said he used the handgun for training for the bail bondsman class, had the knives for protection and used the machete to cut brush in Maine.
In the affidavit, the Secret Service said Geisel told agents that he suffered from psychiatric problems including post-traumatic stress disorder, but he couldn't provide the names of any facilities where he sought treatment.
Sorry, AP, I don't want to get sued, but need the whole thing for comparative purposes.
The suspect also hated President Bush and is quoted as wanting to put a bullet in his head, so he's an equal opportunity assassination fantasist.
Why CNN didn't think that detail was newsworthy?
CBS 4's hack editing job was even worse, cutting the Bush reference out of the middle of the story but overlooking the reference in the last line:
Federal authorities in Florida are holding a man accused of threatening to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
The man, Raymond Hunter Geisel, was ordered held without bail at a Thursday court hearing.
The Secret Service says Geisel made the threat while training to be a bail bondsman in Miami in late July. A search of Geisel's SUV and hotel room uncovered a loaded handgun, knives, dozens of rounds on ammunition, boy armor, and a machete. The SUV was also wired with emergency lights.
Geisel claims he's originally from Bangor, Maine. He said he made no threat against either Obama or the president.
I can only speculate as to why the media would remove the threat against Bush in these accounts. Is it because it is harder to portray Obama as the victim when he isn't the only one threatened, or just harder to sell the meme that the offender is probably a murderous racist when he threatens a white president as well?
Update: Updated to include AP's story. Will remove it if they ask.
Update: Interesting. After two hours of commenters blaming ignorant/racists/morons/Republicans/Hillary Clinton fans/Southerners/rednecks/anti-black/Fox News/Rush Limbaugh and white people in general, CNN shut down comments on their story at 6:45 PM, just two minutes after "hollowpoint" posted:
While he wasn't arrested for it, the racist nutjob also said that he'd like to put a bullet in Bush's headÂ… yet CNN doesn't feel that was relevent enough to include on their blog story? The extra two sentences would've taken up too many bytes?
Or was it that CNN wanted to portray the nutjob in question as a "typical" right wing racist who wanted to kill Obama? Letting your partisan mask slip a bit are you, CNN?
Given the nature of this election, don't even try to make the excuse that it wasn't relevant, or that the story as presented doesn't create a false impression of the man arrested.
Sometime later—perhaps the 8:19PM update now showing—CNN finally posted the entire story, including the threats made by the suspect against President Bush.
After 3-4 hours of letting half-truths percolate to establish the narrative, CNN then they filled in the rest of the story, after the damage was done.
They could have posted the correct story, the entire story, before 4:00 PM. CNN posted only part of the story, allowing paranoia, biases, and dark fantasies to fester. All of these raging emotions would have been muted, if not eliminated, if it was revealed what CNN know for the beginning, which was the fact that Bush was also a target of Geisel's rage.
CNN significantly altered a story to play upon people's fears.
That cannot lightly be excused.
Update: Curiouser and curiouser... you can still access the original URL of the CNN story at:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/07/breaking-man-held-for-obama-assassination-threat/
Interestingly enough, however, if you go to the CNN Political Ticker and scroll down, the exact same story now has this URL:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/08/new-details-man-held-for-alleged-obama-assassination-threat/
Perhaps most telling however, is that all the comments associated from the previous story—the racially-tinged, poltically motivated anger they helped generate with their selective editing"have not been ported over to the new URL.
The whitewash continues... and then gets worse.
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So is it just me, but I'm not worried that he has knives, a loaded gun, a bullet proof vest, or ammo... anyone catch that yeah he was in a bail bondsman class- have you ever watched or heard what they have to deal with in a day? All of that stuff is needed! It's interesting to see that you can be arrested purely on someone elses word. So what if a crazy X-girlfriend makes something like that up? Do you get questioned and tried? I don't know how many leftists I've seen write worse threats on-line and never have any issues... Hope the truth of the matter comes out.
I also hope we find out just why the media was only referencing the threat to Obama, when a threat to a sitting president is worse in my opinion. There is a difference between a candidate and the actual thing when it comes to importance to me.
Posted by: Scott at August 07, 2008 04:47 PM (0snxn)
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Hmm...could it be that the only reference to President Bush was a quote from someone else in the class? That he was only charged with threatening Sen. Obama, and no charges were brought against him about threatening President Bush?
If the liberal media were trying to make someone out to be a racist monster, wouldn't the news outlets have included "Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself." Doesn't that make their case stronger?
Posted by: DSB at August 07, 2008 04:53 PM (c2FAa)
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But I'm sure you just glossed over that little fact...because it doesn't fit in with your race-baiting tactics.
Posted by: DSB at August 07, 2008 04:57 PM (c2FAa)
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Oh, and is it true you're from NC? That makes me ashamed to be a Tar Heel.
Posted by: DSB at August 07, 2008 04:58 PM (c2FAa)
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Riiight DSB. This classmate's account:
According to someone else in the 48-member class, Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, "If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself."
Is altogether more relevant than this one's:
Another person in the class quoted Geisel as saying that "he hated George W. Bush and that he wanted to put a bullet in the president's head," according to the Secret Service.
Posted by: krakatoa at August 07, 2008 05:02 PM (mhdbo)
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and perhaps saying "if he wanted to kill Senator Obama he simply would shoot him with a sniper rifle, but then he claimed that he was just joking," to the secret service was not the best thing to do.
But of course, I don't really know the facts of the case, only the AP's reporting of it.
And again, if the "Obamamedia" were trying to push the notion that the offender is "probably a murderous racist," why did they leave out "Geisel allegedly referred to Obama with a racial epithet and continued, 'If he gets elected, I'll assassinate him myself.'"? Sure would make their case stronger.
Also, if they actually charged him based on the reporting of someone in his bail-bondsman class (which I'm beginning to doubt more and more,) and he said that about Bush too, you'd think the secret service would have charged him with that as well, unless...
ZOMG, THE SECRET SERVICE IS IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA!
Posted by: DSB at August 07, 2008 05:11 PM (c2FAa)
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I guess the important question to ask is: why did they feel the need to totally re-write the AP feed and edit out so many details? Were they concerned with bandwidth or storage space? Both? If not, why selectively delete information? Any brilliant insights, DSB?
And what's this "questionable content" chicanery? I had to edit this post multiple times to get it to submit, but there were was no profanity, etc.
Posted by: ECM at August 07, 2008 05:32 PM (q3V+C)
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ECM, I had the same problem. Once I took out C*N*N I was able to post.
Anyway, neither news outlet re-wrote the AP news feed. They had their own reporters covering the story in each news outlet. If they did quote the AP, they'd have to credit the AP in the beginning, which neither did. And as CY knows all too well, quoting AP stories at length makes the AP mad!
So there's your "brilliant insights." Neither C*N*N nor that other one quoted from the AP. Problem solved, crisis averted.
Posted by: DSB at August 07, 2008 05:42 PM (c2FAa)
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Read, listen or Watch the Lame Stream Media only for the comedy that is sure to show up.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 07, 2008 10:42 PM (GAf+S)
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You're reading WAAAAAAAAY too much into this.
CNN probably just rushed the story with preliminary details, while AP followed with a more complete story as details surfaced afterwards.
You're paranoid about the corporate media. Yes, they're wankers, but that's because they're lazy and incompetent.
Posted by: jasperjava at August 07, 2008 11:52 PM (7FRiM)
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Oh come on jasperjava, are you really going to sit there and tell me that the MSM isn't in the tank for Obama?
Jim C
Posted by: Jim C at August 08, 2008 12:35 AM (8T9gw)
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Nice job!
Good thing someone is paying attention.
Little wonder they are referred to as the LameStream Media. They will probably get all frowny-faced because AP slipped up and mentioned the part about GWB. Someone was not marching in lockstep.
Thank You, keep it up!
Posted by: mrpetep at August 08, 2008 06:16 AM (rb5Z4)
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The most likely candidate to assassinate Obama would be a muslim extremist. We know that being an apostate is punishable by death. How would the media cover that one?
Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at August 08, 2008 07:59 AM (kNqJV)
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I hope I don't be arrested on the way home today.
Posted by: toyboat at August 08, 2008 08:12 AM (mDGxy)
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The answer to this conundrum is staring anyone with two brain cells in the face - Threats against Bush aren't news, both because they're relatively common and accepted by the PC crowd, and because of rampant BDS.
Threats against Obama ARE news because he's the darling of the media, and their great hope for the future.
And the reason to exclude the Bush threat is that it couldn't be turned into a racist event if Bush was threatened as well - White guy threatening to assinate Obama = racist. White guy threatening to assinate Obama AND Bush = simple whackjob.
Posted by: Cappmann at August 08, 2008 09:50 AM (vcm80)
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All assassination threats are relevant. The US has a history of shooting it's presidents and presidential contenders.
Bush is more important at this time than the Messiah Obama because he is the president.
CNN's methods are what is not news.
Posted by: John V at August 08, 2008 10:33 AM (Pg+aq)
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All assassination threats are relevant. The US has a history of shooting it's presidents and presidential contenders.
Bush is more important at this time than the Messiah Obama because he is the president.
Posted by: John V at August 08, 2008 10:34 AM (Pg+aq)
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The answer is clear... the C*N*N reporter didn't get any quotes from the students. He or she sent in a short version of the story based on what they were told by the Secret Service. The AP reporter did a more complete story probably because they weren't under time constraints.
Posted by: Tom at August 08, 2008 11:18 AM (Lbkb5)
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No, Tom. An earlier 5 paragraph AP version of the story was the very first report posted, and it contained this important fact.
Nice try.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 08, 2008 11:35 AM (xNV2a)
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I should have been taking notes all these years. I am sure I have heard Bush threatened with assasination at least a dozen times and that does not count open media. From now on, ANY threat of violence against a Secret Service protectee will get reported promptly by Yours Truly. I hope they will take this stuff seriously but across the board, not on a partisan basis.
Posted by: megapotamus at August 08, 2008 12:37 PM (LF+qW)
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"No, Tom. An earlier 5 paragraph AP version of the story was the very first report posted, and it contained this important fact."
Go back and read the C-N-N story. None of the student quotes are in the C-N-N story. All it means is that the AP reporter got more information than the C-N-N reporter. All that means is that the AP reporter did a better job, not that the C-N-N reporter hid facts. You might also ask the Secret Service why they didn't charge the guy with threatening Bush. Or do you think the Secret Service secretly supports Obama?
Posted by: Tom at August 08, 2008 02:39 PM (Lbkb5)
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Tom, did you call with the Secret Service in Miami to find out what infomration they released to who, or did I?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 08, 2008 02:46 PM (xNV2a)
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Actually that wasn't the first AP story. This was:
MIAMI (AP) - A Miami man appeared in court there today on charges that he threatened to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Authorities say the suspect, 22-year-old Raymond Hunter Geisel, was keeping weapons and military-style gear in his hotel room and car.
Geisel was arrested by the Secret Service on Saturday in Miami and was ordered held without bond today.
A Secret Service affidavit charges that Geisel made the threat during a training class for bail bondsmen in Miami in late July.
Obama was most recently in Florida last week, but did not visit the South Florida area.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Got a URL and time on that, Tom?
Google News shows the version I posted as being the oldest they recorded, and I know when I first caught the story when it was less than an hour-young, this version was live, as were the CNN ad CBS-4 accounts.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 08, 2008 03:36 PM (xNV2a)
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CNN posted a link to the SS (sarc) affidavit. You folks should have read that, too. Agree with Scott: Seems like a bail bondsman's class would require most of the items mentioned. Also the SS agent has Black Talon ammo as "armor piercing" when it is an older defensive hollow point easily fragmented by drywall or other construction materials. Something stinks here and I think it's the informant.
Posted by: Caststeel at August 09, 2008 05:53 PM (u5Lqx)
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Will all the things that have been said and let go about George Bush I find it inexcusable they molested this guy. If it is ok to say what has been said about Bush in regards assassination why is it all of a sudden not ok with Barrack Obama?
In reality my impression is this story was ginned up to say Obama was assassination worthy. Just as the fainting women were ginned up to try and make Obama look desirable this makes him appear important. That is Assassination worthy.
The press. FULL of pinheads. What's worse they think they are smarter than the rest of us.
Posted by: Fred X at August 10, 2008 11:18 AM (WHS9+)
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Agree with Catsteel. Informant probably is embellishing.
And OJ is off in the corner saying "if I done it" LOL ... excuse the nonseq but the grammatical structure of OJ's "if I done it" just cracks me up.
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Advocacy Journalism Today: WaPo/Mosk Just Keeps Coming
After having Matthew Mosk's
attack on John McCain discredited within hours yesterday, the Washington
Post was forced into running this embarrassing correction to the A1 story.
Correction to This Article
An earlier version of this story about campaign donations that Florida businessman Harry Sargeant III raised for Sen. John McCain, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton incorrectly identified three individuals as being among the donors Sargeant solicited on behalf of McCain. Those donors -- Rite Aid manager Ibrahim Marabeh, and lounge owners Nadia and Shawn Abdalla -- wrote checks to Giuliani and Clinton, not McCain. Also, the first name of Faisal Abdullah, a McCain donor, was misspelled in some versions of the story.
In other words, the premise of the entire article was fatally undermined because a Obama-supporting journalist and his editors didn't take the time to do the basic fact-checking Amanda Carpenter did in a matter of minutes.
The same "journalist", Mosk had attempted to smear McCain in a previous manufactured story about a land deal in May.
The Washington Post's editors, perhaps thinking they can save on the cost of paper and ink by adopting the editorial business practices of the New York Times, let Mosk go to print again today with another smear, one that amounted to stating that—gosh darn it!—there was nothing illegal going on with MCCain's fund-raising, but there should be:
Sargeant told The New York Times this morning that he at times left the task of collecting the checks to a longtime business partner, Mustafa Abu Naba'a. The problem with that is that Abu Naba'a is not an American citizen. According to court records, Abu Naba'a is a dual citizen of Jordan and the Dominican Republic.
The law on this question appears to be unclear, said Fred Wertheimer, a campaign finance expert who runs the advocacy group, Democracy 21.
"There's probably very little law on this," Wertheimer said. "If it is not illegal for a foreign national to bundle checks, it ought to be, since it's illegal for a foreign national to make contributions in the first place."
As even as Democracy 21 admits, there is nothing illegal about a legal foreign national collecting the legal contributions of law-abiding Americans for a Presidential candidate.
What is perhaps even more revealing that what they said, however, is Mosk's decision to use them as a source. Democracy 21 is a far left advocacy group, run by a former Democratic Senator Dick Clark, and is funded by both George Soros' Open Society Institute, and the Joyce Foundation—yes, where Barack Obama sat on the Board of Directors for eight years.
Mosk's choice of sources is only slightly more objective than contacting MoveOn.Org for their opinion.
Paul Ryan, a lawyer with the Campaign Legal Center, said the Federal Election Commission has not explicitly addressed the question. Ryan said there appeared to be conflicting thoughts on this in a 2004 advisory opinion. For instance, in one opinion the FEC has advised that it is permissible for a foreign national to solicit a contribution, while in another it prohibits foreign nationals from playing any role in participation in a candidate's election activities, such as decisions concerning the making of contributions.
"There's a little bit of tension between these two different interpretations," Ryan said.
Matthew Mosk hasn't been able to find a way to smear John McCain, despite three abortive attempts. The questions isn't so much why Mosk is against McCain, but why the editors of the Washington Post keep letting themselves be used as a platform for his specious attacks.
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And how much interest was shown by WaPo in Norman Hsu and the indigent Chinese busboys? Not quite none and I suppose we should be greatful for that. With all this interest today, though, I wonder when we may expect a scrub of Barry's operation. Just how much did Ayers raise for him, anyhow? What is he up to now? Anything?
Posted by: megapotamus at August 07, 2008 03:26 PM (LF+qW)
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This guy either needs to go to remedial spelling classes or needs new glasses if he confuses the names "Giuliani" and "Clinton" with "McCain."
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Obama: America Sucks, and Only I Can Save It
The Obamamessiah has spoken:
"America is Â…, uh, is no longer, uh Â… what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
Hot Air caught the story, and has similar statements from American's favorite pessimist, Eeyore Michelle Obama.
For a couple who wants to lead this nation, the Obamas don't seem to have much faith in it.
Update: Yeah, it does sound like him:
"The Republic is no longer what it once was." - Palpatine/Darth Sidious in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Though in defense of Obama/Darth Tedious, Palpatine didn't have 20 years of influence from a kooky religion being drummed into his head telling him how horrible his country was...
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Bob-
Obama: America Sucks, and Only I Can Save It
Generally, that's the message of most non-incumbents.
Additionally, would you argue that most people are happy with this country's current direction?
Posted by: D.N. Nation at August 07, 2008 01:34 PM (Ze19B)
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McCain's latest batch of commercials say that Washington sucks and only he can fix it, but this may be too nuanced a difference for some people to pick up on.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at August 07, 2008 01:51 PM (oC8nQ)
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I'm sorry. I missed the part where most of America is apparently happy with how things are, thereby invalidating Obama's statement.
So if you and the other dead-enders want to run on that, good luck. Enjoy being backers of a regional party come 2009. The rest of us will be cleaning up the mess you and yours made.
Posted by: Dave at August 07, 2008 02:06 PM (foLN0)
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Finally some decent links. Does anyone younger than John Sidney McCain really still say "blue picture" when they mean porn?
Posted by: Doctorb at August 07, 2008 02:21 PM (IqVw5)
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"For a couple who wants to lead this nation, the Obamas don't seem to have much faith in it."
Faith in the country? What does thinking that the country has been led in the wrong direction for the last 8 years (which based on Bush's approval ratings is a pretty good running point) have to do with faith that the country can't be better? Yes, the GOP has led this country into the toilet but that doesn't mean we have to sit around with shit on our faces for the next 4 years.
Posted by: Tom at August 07, 2008 02:27 PM (Lbkb5)
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"The Republic is no longer what it once was."
Isn't that the truth. Even the King Bush the First years were better. At least he was smart enough not to drag us into a 6 year war.
Posted by: Tom at August 07, 2008 02:29 PM (Lbkb5)
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Thanks for underscoring the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives,gentlemen.
Conservatives think that Americans thrive despite the government. Liberals think the government is America.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 07, 2008 02:35 PM (HcgFD)
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Yes, the GOP certainly has America thriving these days, don't they?
Posted by: Dave at August 07, 2008 03:09 PM (foLN0)
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Just wait till Obama takes office - then we'll see droves of conservatives bashing this country and talking of impending doom.
And the howling and wailing and gnashing of teeth about abuses of execute power will be heard from the right wing for the first time in, well.. 8 years. They'll be screaming about domestic wiretapping and the need for Congressional oversight.
Luckily we'll have their hypocrisy about all of these issues well documented, so it should be fun.
Posted by: Ted at August 07, 2008 03:13 PM (gJFD/)
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At least [GHWB] was smart enough not to drag us into a 6 year war."
Psst. Don't tell anyone, but I doubt GWB would have "dragged" anyone anywhere if a little thing like four airplanes and their innocent passengers being commendeered as human-piloted bombs to kill thousands of other innocent people hadn't happened. I don't know, call me crazy but maybe a little thing like that coupled with Saddam's history or bloody, brutal action and poor judgement with an added dash of twelve years WMD non-cooperation and deception might have had something to do with deciding that entrusting national security to the word of a murderous dictator wasn't the most prudent course of action.
Of course, don't let a little thing like objectivity ruin the ten-thousanth repetition of a variant to Bush joke #15.
Posted by: submandave at August 07, 2008 03:20 PM (lLS3Y)
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So the pollsters find 80% think the country is going in the wrong direction. I'll bet they are split 40-40 as to which direction we should be going.
Posted by: Claude Hopper at August 07, 2008 03:23 PM (Z6fQ+)
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Dave, the country would be doing well without the Democrats. No global warming BS. No energy crisis. Lower taxes, a solution to Social Security. Less government intrusion and a look to the future with foreign policy. One that does not poke ones head in the sand. And lastly, a vital and strong National Defense.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at August 07, 2008 03:37 PM (J5AYY)
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Zelsdorf,
Really? Because it's the lack of a reasonable energy plan from the GOP that has us bending over to take it from the Saudis. And more drilling won't solve the problem.
Lower taxes at the cost of ignoring infrastructure and running up the deficit makes lowering taxes pointless. Here's something to remember; there are TWO sides to the Laffer Curve.
And yes, where would we be with the National Defense the GOP has given us, leaving the Army and Marines over-stretched and forced to accept recruits they'd have rejected less than 10 years ago?
Based on your command of the facts, I can only assume you have joined us from an alternate universe where things over the past eight years have turned out differently.
Posted by: Dave at August 07, 2008 03:48 PM (foLN0)
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Hey Dave - you might want to dial that back a little before it bites your hind end clean off.
Clinton was the one that shrunk the military in the first place.
And if drilling won't solve the problem of our using Saudi oil, what the hell will? I don't know about you, but my car doesn't run on unicorn farts. And the electrical grid over here in Connecticut would fold under the weight of a million plug-in hybrids, so that's kinda out.
And I don't put much faith in "right direction/wrong direction" polls, as they never seem to ask these people what direction they think the country ought to be going.
Posted by: brian at August 07, 2008 04:08 PM (Pe8i3)
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If you have a job (90% of America) the only thing that sucks for you is $4 gas and your house, if you own one, is worth less this year than 2 years ago. In both cases the policies of the Democrats are to blame. So if you think things suck then McCain is obviously the better choice ...
Posted by: Jeff at August 07, 2008 04:12 PM (zQ0HK)
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Lol.
Man, poke a hive full of Obamacons and you can get stung, huh?
At least they are getting some accurate information for a change.
Posted by: Darth Tedious at August 07, 2008 04:25 PM (Z/5Pq)
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I can't believe that people are giving Obama flak for daring to suggest that we should work to improve America. Conservatives are like parents who think that loving their kid means never criticizing him or her, even when they do poorly in school or get in trouble. When the truth is if you really want to show your kid how much you love them, your will criticize their behavior and demand more from them. A truly loving parent is one who gets a report card full of B +'s and says "you can do better."
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. And if you are indifferent to America, you'll say "that's good enough." But if you really love America, you will hold her to a higher standard. In fact, you will hold her to the HIGHEST of standards. And that is precisely what Obama is doing here.
I don't want a president who is indifferent to America. I want someone who loves America so much that they only demand to utmost of excellence from her in every regard. And the best way you can show your love to your country is much the same you show love to your kid: through criticism and nudges towards improvement.
Posted by: Justfinethanks at August 07, 2008 04:34 PM (iodlf)
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'Pollsters say Americans feel that the country is headed in the wrong direction . . .'
Well, lets see: We have a Democrat controlled House and Senate, and could very likely elect a Democrat president this fall.
Yep. Sounds like we are headed in the wrong direction.
Posted by: wheatley at August 07, 2008 05:10 PM (g/MKW)
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Justfinethanks:
You're actually a lot closer to the McCain camp than you think.
I don't think anyone here is criticizing Sen. Obama for wanting to hold America to a high standard. Anyone who loves America and has high hopes for America's future would do that -- and that goes for Democrats and Republicans alike.
Where the two sides differ is in what standards to hold America to -- is universal health care more important than tight border security? -- and how to go about it. Reasonable people can (and should!) differ about such things.
If you're looking for a Presidential candidate who is not "indifferent to America", but rather "loves America so much", then take another look at Sen. McCain. He loved America enough to bleed and suffer for it. I can't think of a single thing that Sen. Obama has done for his country that Sen. McCain hasn't done more of.
Yes, Sen. Obama sure talks purty; that, I think, is what this blog post is making fun of -- his pleasant-sounding platitudes, which, admittedly, we hear plenty of from both sides.
But what has Sen. Obama DONE to show his love for America? Basically, he's told us to take it on faith. McCain doesn't do that; he doesn't need to. His love for America is obvious to anyone who knows even a little bit about him.
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
Posted by: Daniel in Brookline at August 07, 2008 05:13 PM (ETuqd)
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What part of hopey changey aren't you getting, Bob? And why haven't you touched your kool-aid?
Posted by: Bel Aire at August 07, 2008 05:41 PM (ocHBO)
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I did read about McCain's years in the Hanoi Hilton, and it is doubtlessly inspiring. And I wasn't implying that McCain doesn't love his country. I was more poking fun at our esteemed blogger for stupidly claiming that criticizing America somehow shows a lack of faith in it.
Plus as you pointed out, every one on both sides of the aisle criticizes America. I don't think there has been as congressman in history who has ever said "You know what? America's finally perfect. Let's never pass another piece of legislation ever again."
Posted by: Justfinethanks at August 07, 2008 05:51 PM (iodlf)
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"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala
Posted by: ignatov at August 07, 2008 06:14 PM (uDJ23)
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Justfinethanks, you don't actually have any kids, do you???
Posted by: Mary in LA at August 07, 2008 06:41 PM (NGf/6)
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I have a daughter. I'm not one of those childless people who feels like they have license to criticize parents. In fact, I like to think I have earned my license.
Posted by: Justfinethanks at August 07, 2008 07:08 PM (iodlf)
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You need to read more, Justfine.
But the taking out after Barack Obama for his middle name is the most heinous attack I've seen against a Democratic candidate since Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was attacked for his alleged sexual prowess with women not his wife. I guess since we have continued to hold Republican racists' feet to the fire the right-wing wacko machine has to find another tactic by which to attack the rising young Democratic star. The line being forwarded by the likes of Ed Rogers and other Republicans, if only by cowardly inference, is that Senator Obama may call himself a Christian, but he's actually a Muslim out to do the U.S.A. harm through his masquerade of faith.
Posted by: C-C-G at August 7, 2008 09:55 PM
Maybe you're unfamiliar with the term "censored," C-C-G. However, JfT spelled it out pretty clearly if you look.
So maybe you could show exactly where in that quote Taylor Marsh said "you should be FORCED to stop emphasizing his middle name."
Posted by: skylark at August 08, 2008 12:43 AM (BKwMs)
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JfT - Your response was better.
Posted by: skylark at August 08, 2008 01:13 AM (BKwMs)
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Justfine, your knowledge of your preferred candidate's statements is appalling.
Back in May, on ABC's Good Morning America, a national TV show, Obama told people to
"lay off my wife."
This was, of course,
after she had made campaign appearances for him and faced criticism for her statements.
The logical conclusion is easy to see. Obama doesn't like criticism of what his wife says when she is campaigning for him.
I will now accept a full apology.
Posted by: C-C-G at August 08, 2008 07:23 AM (irkBP)
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submandave - I know this is hard for you right-wingers to get into your head, but Sadaam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. That was crap made up by our glorious leader Bush the Second. And Sadaam had nothing to do with the anthrax attacks. That was an American citizen who worked for George the Second. And if you really think that GWB believed that Sadaam was involved in either of those things then you must really think he is the stupidest man on the planet. Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the security of the US and have EVERYTHING to do with making George the Second's friends very, very wealthy.
Posted by: Tom at August 08, 2008 08:55 AM (Lbkb5)
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When was America what it used to be?
Posted by: daleyrocks at August 08, 2008 09:49 AM (i/fLn)
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Can someone provide a cite for the claim that the quote “The Republic is no longer what it once was” came from Star Wars?
Yesterday, I did a Google search and came up with one hit, the Intapundit item.
Today, there are seven, but all derived from that one hit.
I wrote to Glenn, urging him to check it out, but no response.
It may be true, IÂ’m not Star wars expert, but IÂ’m surprised that it doesnÂ’t show up in a Google search.
Posted by: Phil at August 08, 2008 11:06 AM (39DNf)
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 08, 2008 11:32 AM (xNV2a)
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submandave - I know this is hard for you right-wingers to get into your head, but Sadaam had NOTHING to do with 9/11. That was crap made up by our glorious leader Bush the Second.
He didn't have to, Tom ... I know how hard it is for y'all to believe the simple is true, but it is
Just. That. Simple.
Saddam had everything Afghanistan did, including a hatred for America and an abject lack of respect for life and liberty, both demonstrated repeatedly over his entire rule.
Yet you'd ask us to continue to trust thugs like that, after 911?
And Sadaam had nothing to do with the anthrax attacks. That was an American citizen who worked for George the Second.
I don't think that anyone here is definitely saying that the anthrax attacks were Saddam's doing ... OTOH, are you implying a link between the President and the alleged perpetrator? Care to provide some proof?
And if you really think that GWB believed that Sadaam was involved in either of those things then you must really think he is the stupidest man on the planet. Invading Iraq had nothing to do with the security of the US and have EVERYTHING to do with making George the Second's friends very, very wealthy.
Wrong ... for we have seen how the greedy were acting at that time.
They were hip-deep in Crude-for-Food.
If the President was as greedy as you say, he would have avoided a messy war, waded right in ... and enriched his friends while possibly scoring a Nobel like Gore and Carter for his efforts in the name of "peace".
Methinks instead, that your criticism of this Administration is not based in a sincere concern for life and liberty ... but just like almost every other Leftist I've debated, it is based in an obsession with denigrating all aspects of the conservative worldview ... with the objective of fomenting radical change to produce a society where you can freely scream
"NO ONE CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO!", while muzzling others who do as little as suggesting alternatives to objectively-irresponsible behavior ... and confiscating what wealth they have, to use in celebrating and subsidizing such behavior.
Posted by: Rich Casebolt at August 08, 2008 11:37 AM (FL9H9)
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OK, I see - the phrase is "the Republic is not what it once was"
I was searching for the phrase used by the Instapundit reader: "the Republic is no longer what it once was"
Posted by: Phil at August 08, 2008 12:31 PM (39DNf)
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He didn't have to, Tom ... I know how hard it is for y'all to believe the simple is true, but it is Just. That. Simple.
Saddam had everything Afghanistan did, including a hatred for America and an abject lack of respect for life and liberty, both demonstrated repeatedly over his entire rule.
I have often wondered what it is with the right-wing that feels they have to attack anyone who MIGHT be a threat (as long as they have oil - let's not attack North Korea that actually was developing nuclear weapons). But thanks to your post I now understand it. It is fear. You guys are just big cowards. I live in NYC. I worked in the World Trade Center but I never felt so afraid of what Sadaam might do that I demanded we invade. I was never afraid of that ass and never felt that he was a threat to us. The guy who was actually a threat, Osama bin Laden is still alive and happily planning to kill Americans. When do we take him down?
I don't think that anyone here is definitely saying that the anthrax attacks were Saddam's doing ... OTOH, are you implying a link between the President and the alleged perpetrator? Care to provide some proof?
Sure. George W. Bush is the president of the United States and Bruce Ivins was an employee of the US government. And when Ivins released his anthrax, the president of the US claimed that this was further proof that the US needed to invade Iraq. Fairly convenient timing, don't you think? It certainly is much better proof than CY normally uses to prove that the media wants to elect Obama.
And if anyone is still saying that Sadaam had anything to do with the anthrax attacks then they are truly stupid.
Posted by: Tom at August 08, 2008 03:01 PM (Lbkb5)
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