December 20, 2006
Jamil Who?
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you
Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim:
According to two CPATT officials--one in the U.S, one in Iraq--there is no one named "Jamil Hussein" working now or ever at either at the Yarmouk or al Khadra police stations. That is what they have said along and nothing has changed.
The Baghdad-based CPATT officer says there is no "Sgt. Jamil Hussein" at Yarmouk, which contradicts what Marc Danziger's contacts found. I have another military source on the ground who works with the Iraqi Army (separate and apart from the CPATT sources) and is checking into whether anyone named "Jamil Hussein" has ever worked at Yarmouk.
There is only one police officer whose first name is "Jamil" currently working at the Khadra station, according to my CPATT sources.
His name is Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim (alternate spelling per CPATT is "Ghulaim.") Previously, Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim worked at a precinct in Yarmouk, according to the CPATT sources. Curt at Flopping Aces has received the same info.
Now, go back and look at the full name and location information the Associated Press cited in its statement on the matter:
[T]hat captain has long been know to the AP reporters and has had a record of reliability and truthfulness. He has been based at the police station at Yarmouk, and more recently at al-Khadra, another Baghdad district, and has been interviewed by the AP several times at his office and by telephone. His full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein.
Let's review: AP's source, supposedly named "Jamil Gholaiem Hussein," used to work at Yarmouk but now works at al Khadra. CPATT says the one person named "Jamil" now at al Khadra -- Jamil Ghdaab Gulaim -- also used to work at Yarmouk. His rank is the same as that of AP's alleged source. His last name is almost identical to the middle name of AP's alleged source. (FYI: In Arabic, the middle name is one's father's name; the last name is one's grandfather's.)
Pseudonyms? Why should I care about pseudonyms?
Curiouser and curiouser...
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Posted by: Frederick at December 20, 2006 05:35 PM (jSBbA)
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Have you been hitting the cooking sherry again Fred?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2006 06:34 PM (xXVSL)
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I have been reading the comments of guys like Fredo (please protect the don at the fruit stand, Fredo) for so long it doesn't phase me...but Ed at Captain's Quarters is usually a great guy. And the NRO is not such a bad place. Have we all gone soft in the head?
THIS is my place to hang out...with CY, as a general rule. (I am a card carrying member of the VDH fan club, and I suffer from unrequited [and unrecognized] infatuation with Atlas Shrugs drop dead gorgeous blogger, but I hang here more than anywhere else)
But, I believe there are some outstanding places to visit daily. LGF, Instapundit, Michelle, ...a few others.
And Captain's Quarters is certainly one of them. But in discussing Lowry above...I am not on all fours with Ed...or Lowry.
The gist of what I'm getting is that the Ministry of Media "ain't so bad" and there's "lots of good" that comes out of them.
To my ear, this sounds akin to saying, "Well, you know...John Wayne Gacy DID play a nice clown at kids birthday parties...so don't look at all those decaying bodies in the crawlspace"
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. Let me get this straight.
We get 40 years of leftist spin, and I mean hard, fast, dramamine requiring spin...and we should lay down and take a "well, boys will be boys" attitude about it? And if we don't adopt that attitude, we're being "unreasonable" about it all??????
The Ministry of Media in all their branches,....print, network news, international news, wire services...have been distorting, manipulating, staging and obscuring the facts since (at least) Walter Cronkite and the Tet offensive. They regularly slander America and Israel.
What IS said by them needs to be decoded... as much as what is NOT said needs to be excavated like an archealogical dig.
And we "shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water". That "baby" is 40 years old and her name is Typhoid Mary. She's diseased and what is worse...she thinks she's the Queen of Sheba. And we are all her subjects.
I, for one...am damn tired of their smug and pedantic attitude, their institutional arrogance, their haughty refusal at self-policing...hell, at objective self-reflection. And at their Code of Silence and coverup schemes.
Let me make this point crystal clear, there should be no NEED for bloggers to "uncover" photoshopped pictures, staged scenes, phony sources, dummied up documents and withheld evidence.
The information stream is a de facto public trust...and whether Mr. Lowry or Mr. Rago wish to denigrate the blogosphere for any of their own self-serving interests or not....LGF, Ed, Michelle, Bob Owens, Glenn, Patterico, etc...have moved mountains (of BS) that we would otherwise be forced to swallow,.... with little or no ability to gain more than "caricatures of truth" from the information stream that has allowed itself to become a political arm of the left.
We should get down on our knees every day and thank the heavens for the men and women of the blogosphere...because the Ministry of Media not only has shown it can't be trusted with our facts, evidence and information...it has shown itself to be quite willing to do the bidding of those who stand against us.
If Mr. Lowry and Mr. Rago can't come to grips with THAT...then I'm not sure if they first need an optometrist for myopia or perhaps a proctologist first to gain access to their failing eyesight.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 20, 2006 06:37 PM (V56h2)
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So the character "Jamil Hussein" may or may not be based on a real person, just as the "news" AP reports may or may not be based on real events.
Posted by: Van Helsing at December 20, 2006 07:01 PM (tYH7u)
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I am sick and tired of seeing the same straw man defense over and over again. If I hear one more apologist tell me about how this is not about Jamil Hussein, that this is about the reality of conditions on the ground in Iraq, and then proceed to go through a laundry list of examples of how bad Iraq is, I am seriously going to lose it! YES, THIS IS ALL ABOUT JAMIL HUSSSEIN! This IS all about six immolated Sunnis.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 21, 2006 08:54 AM (oC8nQ)
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Integrity is like virginity. Easy to lose hard to regain. AP should keep this in mind...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 21, 2006 03:27 PM (xXVSL)
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Does anyone remember the scene in Ghostbusters, where it was finally discovered that the oozing river of slime fed off negative energy?
Meet Eric Boehlert...the oozing river of slime personified.
That thought crossed my mind as I watched Anchoress, Allahpundit, and SeeDubya have to ward off being slimed by the oozings of yet another of Eric Boehlert's gasbag bloviations.
It's clear that this walking mindfart has never taken a class in debate, argumentation, persuasion, logic or clearly... journalism. Even more clearly, the classes he perhaps may have taken in ethics, were taught by his mentors in the Ministry of Media, for whom he is now interning as a junior grade apologist. They are not recognizable as "ethics" in the real world, but to leftist media apologists, the rules in a world of slime are...fluid.
Since he is wholly incapable of making an argument, he bubbles up some slime through misquotes, misstatement of facts, misuse of evidence, and missed opportunities at not soiling his little tantrum-throwing diapers any further than he already has.
While certainly a few Iowa farms might make use of his ability to create phantom strawmen out of thin air, there are virtually zero other uses for his fatuous and empty scribbles as he tries....in vain...to put a new coat of paint to cover over the gaping hole in the Ministry of Media's vermin infested sitting room. It's the wrong technique for the misidentified problems.
And his paint can, of course, is simply more green, bubbling slime. He blames "warbloggers",(there is no definition of who this is...or isn't...but, it follows neatly into the thumb-sucking tantrum of the puerile left, if you don't agree with the leftists, you are a warmongerer...among their other favorite tantrum throwing names hurled at non-leftists, ie, See, homophobic, racist, money-grubbing etc.)...and this "blame" in today's tantrum... is that some Iraqi journalists have been killed and the assignment is dangerous...and we don't care.
Hmmm....and we don't care. Interesting. And, since we don't care, therefore...we don't believe any of the leftists are telling the truth. And because some died, ALL journalists there are telling the truth. And ALL the reports are therefore accurate. Interesting. Stupid...but fascinating to watch unfold.
Let's put this in leftist syllogism form:
"A" is a journalist who uses fake sources, dummies up documents, photoshops photos, distorts facts, stages phony scenes;
"B" is a journalist who died in a war zone
Ergo, journalist "B" PROVES that journalist "A" is not something to discuss, and anyone who does deserves to be slimed.
Um....ok.
What this asshelmet chooses to ignore, while lying about ...well, virtually everything...is that LYING about facts, evidence, sources, research,photographs, ....IS the point.
It's not ok to create phony stories to advance the media's political agenda. Period.
Since this oozing river of slime feeds off negative energy, I'm going to wish him Happy Holidays anyway. And hope that his New Year's resolution is to find somewhere within him between now and then...a conscience. Some honor. Some dignity. A sense of right and wrong. I don't do this just for him...but for all of us...so that we don't risk being slimed in 2007 nearly as badly as we have been for the last 40 years.
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Content to be Rabble
Joseph Rago doesn't seem to like bloggers much. His WSJ op-ed
The Blog Mob states that blogs are "Written by fools to be read by imbeciles."
That may be, but I must wonder: How many people check the Wall Street Journal web site several times each day specifically to see what Mr. Rago is going to say?
For all of the things he may or may not have right in his op-ed, I think I detect a touch of jealousy.
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Rago is clinging...longingly...to his buggy whip and rotary phone.
His arguments are vapid, anecdotally concluding, (sans citation) that blogs are inferior to the Holy Grail (print media)...because:
1)There is editorial oversight (just ask Kathleen at AP how vigorous that oversight is)
2)The blogs are INDIVIDUALLY an echo chamber. And if this isn't the chamber pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
3)The wit is pedestrian...because Rago himself here is apparently filling us with so much bloated ego...nobody could possibly disagree. He extends the notion that only "journalists" can engage in "journalism"...and if that isn't casting a pearl before all of us here swine...I don't know what is.
This imperious, flatulent blowhard reminds me of so many of those "Thoroughly Modern Millies", in his Nehru jacket and gold peace chains, and his counterpart in her polka-dotted miniskirt and go-go boots...talking lovingly about how hip they are and everyone else is so out of it.
I've never met Rago, nor seen him in person, but I would lay even money that he is a wispy, balding (one strand comb-over), bicycling, Eastern prep school, librarian spectacled Poindexter who brandishes his title as "features editor" of the WSJ as a sword of Damocles over the heads of junior high students who dare to question his authority on the "best" way to gather news for their school paper.
Look, Rago...Kos Kidz are indeed echo chamber imbeciles but there are people like VDH who would clean your clock in the "journalistic quality" ring, and people like CY, LGF, Malkin and Instapundit have done more to salvage this country's information stream than ANYONE in the Ministry of Media. (by the way, NRO is quite an excellent blog as well).
Guys like Lileks have brilliant writing skills.
Either Rago knows nothing of which he writes...or he simply is flying white-knuckled into a future that sees him and the other millies as sepia hued photographs of bygone days of really ugly fashions. In this instance, his imperiousness has shown that the Emperor has Bad Clothes.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at December 20, 2006 03:08 PM (n7SaI)
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Halp me mizter Raggo I am stuk in syberspac reeding blugs.
Posted by: David at December 20, 2006 03:23 PM (/9lTh)
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To quote Chef on South Park : Rago can lick my salty balls.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 20, 2006 06:17 PM (xXVSL)
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I kind of liked this one from Rago:
"... Instead, they ride along with the MSM like remora fish on the bellies of sharks, picking at the scraps. [...]"
So journalists can be compared to sharks and bloggers to remora. Okay, that's fine, but as is said about the blindfolded crowd gathered around the elephant, each has a slightly different perception of the object in question.
My perception is the remora are cleaning up the freakin' mess the sharks continually make whether it's during their casual eating or their feeding frenzies.
As for the "fools" and "imbeciles" remark, I wonder if he means to include those that also subscribe to or advertise in the WSJ. Well, it's probably not marketing week for the WSJ. Besides, what fool of imbecile is likely to remember what their assistant features editor thinks of them when asked to subscribe or advertise in their shark.
Posted by: Dusty at December 20, 2006 08:52 PM (GJLeQ)
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In Spite of Ourselves
So the
cheesesteak-eating surrender monkey declares that "Militarily we have lost" in
Vietnam Iraq. A bold declaration, considering we've never lost more than a skirmish. For anyone familiar with Murtha, these pronouncements are the typical, defeatist, and dishonest rhetoric we've come to expect from him. He has no desire to win any conflict against terrorism, and has staked his political future on a U.S defeat. Ideologically, he surrendered long ago.
That said, Col. Abscam does illustrate a point; we do tend to be quite myopic, and focus on military success as the be-all, end-all measurement of success or failure in Iraq. In particular, our media and leaders seem focused lately almost exclusively on the rise and fall sectarian violence in Baghdad. While Baghdad, as Iraq's largest city and capital is undoubtedly the single most recognizable city in Iraq, does it necessarily follow that images of conflict in Baghdad accurately reflect the state of the nation?
The simple fact is that there are other factors affecting the success or failure of the Iraqi State, and many of these events are happening outside of the Iraqi capital.
One of those "other factors" is the state of the overall Iraqi economy, which as the media will not readily tell you, is booming:
In my December 10th entry, I observed that the Iraqi economy is doing quite well. I wrote, "This economic news also shows is that Iraqi nation may be slowly evolving into three federal sections since most of the economic progress is happening outside the Baghdad." Newsweek is now reporting what others such as Strategypage.com have been showing for the past couple of years, the Iraqi's economy is booming. And just as I wrote, much of this is occurring is outside Baghdad. Newsweek reports, "With security improving in one key spot—the southern oilfields—that figure could go up." But this is not all. Newsweek added, "Even so, there's a vibrancy at the grass roots that is invisible in most international coverage of Iraq. Partly it's the trickle-down effect. However it's spent, whether on security or something else, money circulates. Nor are ordinary Iraqis themselves short on cash. That's boosted economic activity, particularly in retail. Imported goods have grown increasingly affordable, thanks to the elimination of tariffs and trade barriers. Salaries have gone up more than 100 percent since the fall of Saddam, and income-tax cuts (from 45 percent to just 15 percent) have put more cash in Iraqi pockets." What Newsweek is describing supply side economy and guess what, it works in the United States, and it works in Iraq!
The Futurist was even more bold, building upon work done by the Brookings Institute's Iraq Index and a summary of their report, making the case that Coalition forces and the Iraqi government will defeat the insurgency in 2008 in two posts:
We Will Decisively Win in Iraq...in 2008 - Part I- We Will Decisively Win in Iraq...in 2008 - Part II
All three of these blog posts hit upon the fact that the burgeoning economic successes felt by Iraqis will push them to desire more stability. Is this a logical thought process?
I'd argue that these theories make sense in a westernized mind. If I have little or nothing, I'll be willing to fight to get something, if just to provide the basics for my family. If I'm doing well, however, and see the potential of doing even better (Iraq has the fastest growing economy in the Middle East), then I'm going to want to be able to enjoy that prosperity. That thought process works for me, but what we don't yet know is if that thought process applies to Iraqis, probably because we simply don't understand the Iraqis more than we understand any other Middle Eastern culture.
Hopefully, that gap in cultural understanding will eventually begin to close and the War on Terror will transition away from physical to information battlefields if our leaders are smart enough to follow the advice in this lengthy but informative George Packer article. Eric Martin builds on the Packer article with points certainly worth considering, though I'm not certain if either man is 100% correct.
Taken all together, and combined with reading the extended works of embedded journalists Yon, Fumento, Totten, Roggio, and others, and we're forced towards a disturbing series of conclusions.
First, the Iraq War was a decisive military victory in 2003, but since that time, American civilian and military leadership has utterly failed to understand the nature of the insurgent and terrorist conflicts, or how to address it on a strategic level.
The Iraq War and larger War on Terror are information wars that our leaders have expressed little interest in, or aptitude for. We (and I include myself here) have for far too long fundamentally considered the War on Terror to be a military endeavor, and certainly there is an important military role to be played in defeating Islamic extremists. The truism remains that the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
The problem remains, that for far too long we've simply relied upon killing people once they've metastasized into terrorists; if we follow the advice of those mentioned in Packer's article and others to learn the culture and social networks of the societies that generate our enemies, we can possibly take steps to prevent them from becoming militants by defeating jihadist organizations ideologically. We don't necessarily have to make them like us as so many dhimmis in the United States and especially Europe seem inclined, we simply need to make the effort to understand what triggers those who dislike us to make the jump to acting against us, and eliminate that trigger mechanism.
Despite the lamentations of the defeat-minded media, Democratic politicians and a liberal pundit class under the delusion that a U.S. defeat in Iraq is (a.) inevitable, and (b.) something they can turn to their political advantage; we seem to have a very strong chance of winning in Iraq if we can change our perceptions of how best to fight both this war, and the larger War on Terror.
Despite the increasingly apparent strategic incompetence displayed thus far by our civilian and senior military leadership, our soldiers and marines in the field have performed brilliantly on the tactical level, enabling us to achieve unqualified tactical victories in any direct conflict with terrorist or insurgent forces in Iraq. As MTTs (Military Transition Teams) work with Iraqi Army units impart discipline, professionalism and tactics, the Iraqis are increasing responsible for finding, engaging and killing "Ali Babba"—their term for insurgents—on their own. As a result, we've been able to maintain a stalemate in Iraq, even as we've thus far refused to act against the Syrian and Iranian governments supplying the various insurgency, terrorist, criminal and sectarian forces focused on Balkanizing the country.
Without a doubt, we can win in Iraq. The problem is that we don't seem to be directing our military where they would be the most effective, nor are we doing the other necessary things discussed in Parker's article to personalize and localize success through non-military means.
There are still some major combat operations yet to be waged—al-Sadr's Madhi Army being an almost certain target, and belligerents Iran and Syria are on the horizon and angling towards a direct conflict —but as our MTTs become more skilled at imparting knowledge, the need for U.S. soldiers in direct combat roles should decline, even if the overall number of troops remains close to current levels.
We do do the right things in fits and starts. Today, we handed over Najaf to the Iraqis. In Ramadi, where despite the comparative absence of media attention when compared to Baghdad, the real war against the worst elements of the Sunni insurgency is being fought and won, block by block, over time.
Unfortunately, as time goes on, it seems that our leaders and institutions are unwilling to change, and our population too fickle, to commit to the adaptation of the kind of paradigm shift needed to fight an information-based war that as a media nation, we are quite well-suited to win. As we did in World War II, we seem committed to winning though our overwhelming industrial might and inertia. That is an important element of an eventual victuroy,but we are not in a shooting World War. We could potentially accomplish far more with subtle and not so subtle cultural methods than we could with riflemen and tanks.
Draft Hollywood. Have David Zucker and his equivalents releasing Arab-language satire mocking Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muqtada al-Sadr, and Osama bin Laden. Have conspiracy theory-minded director Oliver Stone deliver a JFK focusing on the Machiavellian schemes of Hassan Nasrallah and Bashar Assad, release it in Lebanon, and see how popular Hezbollah remains.
Lend Hollywood behind-the-scenes talents to Middle Eastern casts in pro-Arab democracy, anti-insurgency, anti-terrorist, and anti-Sharia films and television shows. We are well equipped to succeed in a propaganda war in venues large and small, and yet we do not fight this battle, acting if propaganda is a dishonorable way to wage a conflict between cultures, even as the enemy uses those same methods to combat us through our own complacent and perhaps willing media.
At this point, if we win in Iraq, it will be despite our Administration, which does not seem to understand key elements of the non-military conflict. It will be despite a Democratic Party that still does not seem to be able to see beyond the short-term political scraps it can lap up placating a disgruntled populace. If we win, it will be despite a media that either does not know, or does not care, how they are being used to fight against the very democracies that allow them to thrive.
No, if we win in Iraq, the victory will go to the Iraqi people, and the ability of the American soldier, sailor, airman and marines to outlast the incompetence of old generals fighting past wars and politicians more concerned about fighting each other for fickle public opinion.
We can win in Iraq, and indeed we may yet, but it will come in spite of our leadership, not because of it.
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I'm impressed.
You have a truly amazing capacity for self-delusion. Supply-side economics will win for us? So far - all that supply-side economics has done is enrich the rich and create massive federal deficits.
But then you think Iraq is going swimmingly, too.
If you truly believe this, I have some amazing beachfront property available in Kansas. The Gulf should reach there in about 50 years or so.
Posted by: liberalpercy at December 20, 2006 03:40 PM (CMyz0)
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I feel like Bush has setup us up so we can't win, no matter what.
The perfect example is the now infamous pic of Bush standing on an aircraft carrier declaring "mission accomplished". What was accomplished? Then Iraq got it's constitution together, another accomplishment. Then Iraq voted, remember the purple fingers?
I feel like we are stuck and tied to Iraq no matter what happens. What if we leave then civil war breaks out, do we have to go back?
Posted by: AntiFederalist at December 20, 2006 03:45 PM (YClF7)
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Wow. You completely didn't understand a single concept or idea expressed in this post. Impressive. See the tagline, "percy."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 20, 2006 03:46 PM (g5Nba)
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iraqs economy is booming...of course it is...have you bought gas lately? add to that the fact that we are mis-spending millions of dollars every day there...
but i'm more interested in the idea that you are finally coming around to the idea that the gwot is only partly a military struggle. but your vice president mocked anyone who thought it anything but during the debates. so does that mean you are finally admitting that these idiots simply have no idea what they are doing?
and how do you define a stalemate? attacks and chaos is INCREASING. not maintaining.
Posted by: jay k. at December 20, 2006 03:54 PM (yu9pS)
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Everybody Sing: "Sha-Sha-Sha, Shia..."
Via email, from a post titled, "The ten least popular Christmas toys of the year."
See what you people give me to work with?
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December 19, 2006
Editing The Greg Mitchell Way
In my
last post, I mentioned an AP news release about Jamilgate that seemed to have disappeared. It's back and well, well, well.... What have we
here?
Kind of curious that the AP has taken their response of Nov 28th off their website. The address that I, along with many other bloggers, linked to is this one.
What kind of information was given in that response?
He has been based at the police station at Yarmouk, and more recently at al-Khadra, another Baghdad district, and has been interviewed by the AP several times at his office and by telephone. His full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein.
Also they said in that response that they confirmed the burning via hospital and morgue workers:
AP reporters who have been working in Iraq throughout the conflict learned of the mosque incident through witnesses and neighborhood residents and corroborated it with a named police spokesmen and also through hospital and morgue work
But guess what? The new cache version has this paragraph:
AP reporters who have been working in Iraq throughout the conflict learned of the mosque incident through witnesses and later corroborated it with police.
The same paragraph minus the bit about the hospital and morgue workers.
A little creative attempt to rewrite history by the AP, eh? Quite dishonest, trying to alter an already released story. Yet strangely familiar...
Put it on Kathleen Carroll's tab... and cue the flaming skull.
Update: Allahpundit makes a good argument that since the two versions vary slightly in the USA Today and AP.org versions of the Daniszewski statement, that the comment about the morgue and hospital workers many not have been omitted from the AP release today, because it might not have ever been there. I Googled every variation I could think of aobut the morgue and hospital workers statement, and all hits tracked back to the USA Today story, so I'm inclined to think he's right.
But AP isn't out of the woods by any stretch, as Allah also noted that they USA Today version of Daniszewski's statement came after the AP version. They still dropped the hospital and morgue workers, just not in the same release.
So far, the AP has dropped the hospital and morgue workers and reduced the number of burning mosques from 4 to one, and the number of dead from 24 to six, if my count is accurate. That is a lot of revisionism warranting a retraction, in my opinion.
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CY
It's quite obvious now.. after reading your reports, Curt's and Bill's compendium...that I'm a bit shamed I didn't realize it or recognize it earlier. There were so many hints and clues. The last name is "Carroll".
We are in a land with things have no name, where Somebody and Nobody reside. And you can even forget your own name. A guy in a green helmet is the Mad Hatter. Things printed previously no longer appear, as if we are moving backwards in time.
We have entered the leftist world of media magic.
1) My Glass House Has No Mirrors.
Welcome.
Tis dankum and the flambum motts
Did squeeve and choste upon the sar
Wholly mezzed the everflotts
And all the moops were uberflar.
2)The Garden of Live Bloggers
Whence Bob and Curt and Michelle abound
A captain's name might not be found
And hurl reflections back again
Of what is real and what's pretend
Where lies are king and truth is drowned
3)Tweedledum and Tweedlemute
Oh Green Hatter with helmet fair
You're here, you're there, you're everywhere
Upon your smiling grief I dare impose
Please stay a while and strike a pose
Our comrades all conceal your lair.
4)Auppity Pauppity
Auppity Pauppity stole all the news
Then began libeling Christians
And slandering Jews
And all women bloggers and all of its men
Couldn't put AP together again
5)It's Their Own Convention
The Ministry of Media
Held court on truth and tedia
Henceforth, forthwith and evermore
OUR truth will land upon your door
In real time, expedia
6)Queen Katherine
How dare you plea upon my court
You plebians, now keep it short
Be thankful that I serve you gruel
And bow before the Red Queen's rule
I'm not the self-reflecting sort
7)Shaking
You feel you've caught us in a lie
A picture cropped, a source denied
An article unsourced I fear
We've somehow made it disappear
The First Amendment behind we hide
Who Would Have Dreamed It
We now awake to find it's true
The leftist scribes are all askew
Our nation's been in hostage hell
The truth's been strangled in here as well
Imprisoned by those craven few
Jamil has no name. He's nobody, he's somebody...and you can find him hiding between the Lion and the Unicorn.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 19, 2006 03:56 PM (V56h2)
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cf - that's some sort of comment right there.
Also, Ace has some sort of update on this, though between you and him I'm not sure where this stands.
Posted by: yeah at December 19, 2006 04:23 PM (CyjMp)
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cfb. AP's reality has bordered on the absurd for quite some time. But I do believe we are through the looking glass people.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 19, 2006 04:57 PM (oC8nQ)
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 19, 2006 05:34 PM (n7SaI)
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Don't throw glassware in rock houses. Would you like
onion rings with that?
Posted by: Frederick at December 19, 2006 07:32 PM (jSBbA)
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Ahhh, leftists. Can't live with 'em and you can't...keep them from soiling the carpet. Bad puppets, bad lemmings, bad parrots...now use the papers we put down, they obviously aren't worth reading...
Leftists live in glass houses, they like to throw stones, but apparently have no mirrors.
Are there no mirrors in your glass houses? Then you are a leftist.
(Want lies with that?)
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 19, 2006 07:43 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: cain at December 19, 2006 07:48 PM (XyCyZ)
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Kathleen Carroll's next job interview:
Q: Do you do windows?
A: You mean XP or Vista?
Q: I don't think you understand Kathleen. I mean do you wash windows.
A: ????
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 19, 2006 10:22 PM (xXVSL)
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Absurdly Unethical: The Potential Ethics Case Against AP
To quote the Bard, "What's in a name?"
The on-going Associated Press scandal known as Jamilgate began with this report from AP reporter Qais Al-Bashir. The initial report hinges exclusively on the word of Iraqi Police Captain Jamil Hussein, a source that the Associated Press has cited a total of 61 times since April of this year, and a man the AP has claimed they have known for two years (Note that link was active as I wrote the original draft of this story, but has since disappeared).
In fact, when Hussein's credibilty was challenged, AP went further in supporting this identity, and even provided the full name of Jamil Gholaiem Hussein to bolster their case.
But what happens if it is determined that Jamil Gholaiem Hussein is not the name of AP's long-running source? What if it is a pseudonym?
I posed a generic ethical question based upon Jamilgate to quite a few people this morning. It read:
Good morning.
Can I ask you three quick questions about source ethics in journalism?
If it is determined that a reporter has been using named source in an on-going series of stories, and that name turns out to be a pseudonym, under what circumstances would this be considered unethical behavior, and how serious a breach of ethics would this be?
Would it be compounded if the reporter insisted upon the veracity of the pseudonym?
What responsibility does the reporter bear in verifying the identity of his source?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
I decided on a generic approach as something of a "control;" is isn't scientific by any stretch of the imagination, but by posing this as a hypothetical, I was hoping to avoid any biases that people may harbor towards this specific story. It is, I think, far better to investigate these questions based upon the underlying principles that should drive honest reporting.
The answers to my hypothetical questions have begun to trickle in, and paint quite a dark portrait of the AP's behavior in Jamilgate if, Jamil Gholaiem Hussein turns out to be a pseudonym for someone else.
Dorian Gray?
more...
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Excellent work, Bob. Truly.
I personally would love to extend the inquries, as they seem to logically progress, (at least to me).
1)What if the reporter becomes aware that his "source" is affiliated with a group that has a strongly vested interest in how the story is presented, what affirmative obligations does the reporter have based upon such knowledge?
2)What if the reporter becomes aware that the information given by the source and shared with the readers, turns out to be materially inaccurate, what affirmative obligations does the reporter have based upon even the appearance of bias or impropriety are raised?
Does the reporter have an obligation to "source his source"? Attempt to uncover the bias? Reveal the prospect of serious impropriety and bias? At what point must the reporter and his editor advise their readers that a serious question has arisen?
3)When the facts and evidence do not support the information provided by the now "questionable source", in fact point to a complete fabrication...what affirmative obligation does the reporter (and his or her editor) have to correct the record? How soon must they begin to act? Is it ever ok to simply "let sleeping dogs lie", when information provided by a repeated source is found to be utterly untrustworthy?
Posted by: cfbleachersp at December 19, 2006 01:20 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 19, 2006 01:44 PM (n7SaI)
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THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
MSM lies run silent, run deep. The fundamental problem with the MSM and US left is that all movements are driven by two cognitions: the Vision and the Grievance. The Vision is a future ideal scenario (for US conservatives, this is full democracy, an unimpeded economy, and opportunity for all; for Islamists, it is the society as it was with Mohammed). The Grievance is a present-time, frustrating impediment to The Vision (For US conservatives, this might be the Georgian 17 yr old boy and 15 yr old girl who enjoyed oral sex, but he got 10 yrs. For Islamists, it might be the recent Dubai Film festival, with Muslim women wearing beautiful, revealing dresses). This Vision-Grievance template works for every movement from neo-nazis to boy scouts. The catastrophe for the MSM and the US left is the death of their Vision, the socialist paradise. They still have many grievances (Big Oil, economic inequities, inadequate welfare, etc), but without the Vision, they are defensive and hostile. The MSM, the Cindy Sheehans, John Kerrys, etc., are angry because their life-long Vision is dead. Socialism failed, wherever it was implemented. The moral turpitude, the wobbly high-grounding, the aimless reasoning, the constant whining, betray the permanent lack of direction, the frustrated malaise of a dying political philosophy.
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December 18, 2006
Fedayeen AP?
To
answer Ace's question, a particularly interesting part of
Marc Danziger's post is the apparent discovery of Uday Hussein associate and possible Baathist dead-ender Sgt. Jamil Hussein at the police station in Yarmouk.
If it turns out that this Hussein is the man claiming to be Captain Hussein, and his tied to Uday and the Baathists can be substantiated, then we've got something juicy brewing.
The association of Muslim Scholars is widely viewed as a terrorist-friendly Sunni group with ties to the insurgency and al Qaeda, and the AP uncritically and unquestioningly cited them in this story without an apparent second thought.
If it can be substantiated that the Sgt. Hussein uncovered by Danziger's work is AP's "Captail Jamil Hussein" source, and that it can be substantiated that he has ties to Uday, or more specifically has ties with the Fedayeen Saddam, then we will have reason to wonder how much of AP's reporting has been infiltrated in such a way as to promote a pro-Sunni insurgency agenda.
Update:
A short description of the Fedayeen Saddam from the Global Security link above (my bold):
Though at times improperly termed an "elite" unit, the Fedayeen was a politically reliable force that could be counted on to support Saddam against domestic opponents. It started out as a rag-tag force of some 10,000-15,000 "bullies and country bumpkins." They were supposed to help protect the president and Uday, and carry out much of the police's dirty work.
Does it get much dirtier than alleging false massacres?
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This is like walking into the middle of a Russian novel.
So, if I may...I will attempt to summarize here:
1)The AP met with "some guy" in "his office" numerous times...upon which they "sourced" over 60 stories.
2)Apparently, the AP doesn't know if this guy is a Captain or some lower ranking officer...after citing him 61 times.
3)AP doesn't know if he has ties to any particular group, which might make his objectivity an issue in question.
4)AP doesn't have anyone who verifies any of his reports, like whether there was an actual immolation, blowing up of all the mosques in question, any of the mosques in question, any of the murders...they just accept his word on faith...and then send it out to a billion readers as is.
5)And now, "some guy" may (or may not) exist...who is the person they met with (or didn't), numerous times (or less) in his office (maybe not his), as a captain of the police force (not necessarily) to discuss things that happened (or were made up out of whole cloth) to make objective reports (apparently not) on activities in that district (well, actually miles away)...so that they can PROVE that they were responsible in their reporting all along.
Have a got this down correctly?
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 18, 2006 05:47 PM (V56h2)
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It sounds like AP would have trouble finding their ass grabbing with both hands ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 07:28 PM (xXVSL)
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Kathleen Carroll: Retract, and Step Down
I think it past time for senior executives of the Associated Press to step down for repeated failures of integrity and resposibility, and for violating so many of their organizations
stated values and principles. The following is hardly a conclusive list of reasons that the AP should issue retractions and divest themselves of the failures of their senior leadership, but it is a start.
- AP should apologize for running the initial story of six Sunni men being pulled from a mosque and burned alive based upon the testimony of a single source. AP should acknowledge that single-source information has long been considered unreliable by serious news organizations and they should apologize for breaking that cardinal rule of journalism.
- AP should apologize for the multiple failures of reporting in the follow-up story, of which there were many, including:
- Using an embellished version of the same single-sourced account.
- AP should apologize for using the hearsay of an unverified secondary source as support for the primary account.
- AP should apologize for uncritically parroting the claims of multiple additional deaths made by the Association of Muslim Scholars, a group with suspected insurgent ties.
- AP should apologize for failing to check with official sources to verify the veracity of all the claims made above, plus;
- AP should apologize for utterly failing to check or even ask for any physical or photographic evidence to support claims which to this point, claimed four terrorist attacks on mosques and up to 24 deaths, including the 18 alleged killed at al-Muhaimin mosque, and the six men that our source claimed were pulled from a nameless mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned to death.
- AP should apologize for slandering the Iraqi Army, by uncritically repeating the charge that they stood by and did nothing as these terrorist attacks and murders were carried out, when we have no evidence to support that claim.
- AP should apologize as well for the multiple failures of basic editorial fact-checking and source verification that led them to continuing failures of the basic application of journalistic principles in follow-up stories to the original, including:
- stating that these attacks did not end until U.S. forces became involved, despite the fact that a simple call to the MNF-I Public Affairs Office would have verified that no U.S. forces deployed to Hurriyah that or any other day, because Hurriyah is nota U.S area of responsibility.
- claiming by name that the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques were attacked "with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles," before being burned, without taking the very basic steps of verifying through official or secondary sources that these mosques were in fact attacked.
- AP should apologize for slandering the Iraq Police for insisting they did nothing to stop the alleged attacks as well.
- AP should also apologize for attacking those who questioned all of these easily noticeable inconsistencies.
- AP should apologize to their literally billions of readers that they failed, to which they have an obligation to report facts, not propaganda, and not a convenient "truthy" narrative.
- AP should apologize to the U.S military for doubting their honor and integrity. When they put their names and reputations on the line, AP hid behind anonymous stringers and apparently false witnesses.
- AP should apologize to the Iraqi Police, the Iraqi Army, the Iraqi Ministries of Defense, Interior, and Health for slandering their employees.
I'm sure there are more specific apologies in order, including apologizes and promises to fix the AP's fatally-flawed stringer-based methods of reporting that have little to no editorial checks, and allows those with apparent insurgent ties to infiltrate and propagate false reports. AP executives should also issue apologies to the thousands of news organizations around the world that until now trusted the APÂ’s reporting, and internally, they should offer apologies to the overwhelming majority of honest journalists who work for the Associated Press around the world.
It will take months to rebuild the failed policies that led to the collapse of the AP's reporting efforts in Iraq, and double that time to implement those changes. Until these new methodologies are born out by time, the AP will have to suffer the loss of confidence that their flawed product created.
Of course, no error in judgement of this scale is complete without senior management acknowledging their failures.
If they truly care about the integrity of reporting in the Associated Press, Executive Editor Kathleen Carol should end her list of apologies and retractions with a resignation, as should AP international editor John Daniszewski.
Then—and only then—can we begin to look back through the 60 other stories to which Jamil Hussein was a source, and see whether any more of these accounts require retractions and apologies.
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AP has frozen up like a deer in the headlights while the Blogosphere has taken charge of the situation quicker than Ripley did in Aliens. Kathleen Carol has been reqesting her troops to lay down suppressive fire with the flamers and fall back to secondary positions, not realizing that Sarge is dead and Hudson is getting the f*ck out of Dodge. GAME OVER!
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 18, 2006 03:49 PM (oC8nQ)
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*pop*
*pop* *pop*
*pop* *pop* *pop* *pop*
That's the sound of corks coming out of Champagne bottles ;->
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 04:49 PM (xXVSL)
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CY
It seems to me that the party issuing an apology, in order to make the words valuable and meaningful must have a conscience, self-reflection, honor, integrity, objectivity and no ulterior agenda.
Where in the world would the AP find those attributes?
A serial offender is not likely to inflict self-penance.
And as a card carrying member of the Code of Silence, the AP would be a pariah for letting the leftist media's slip show like this. Nope. Won't happen.
It will be buried in the want ad section, on page 18... and read something like, "we regret the error in misidentifying one our sources". And it will be buried by all the other cult members who adhere to the Code of Silence as well.
There will be no apology...because they don't believe in playing by your rules. Or my rules. Or anyone's rules. They make them up as they go along. Media anomy. It's the new reality.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 18, 2006 05:29 PM (V56h2)
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 18, 2006 08:44 PM (n7SaI)
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In honor of my upcoming birthday, I have decieded to start writing angry letters to the editor. I have since sent two emails to AP demanding the resignation of both Qais 'I see imaginary cops who see burning dead people' Al-Bashir and Kathleen 'Mad Blog Rabble Rouser' Carroll.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 19, 2006 09:18 AM (oC8nQ)
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THEY WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE
–They will simply DROP the story, as when they stopped talking about Qana, Red Cross bus ambulance “bombings”, Isreali attacks on UNIFIL, Burned Sunnis, etc.
– That means you WON
– I have never seen them admit to any significant falsehood, no matter how egregious
– They retract typos, and small errors
– E.G., Waiting for the MSM retract their inverted reporting of the US victory in the Vietnam Tet offensive, which they still describe as a defeat
– (Tet 1968, was key, because the US and South Vietnam DESTROYED the Viet Cong, leaving the war to the invading regular North Vietnam army. Thereafter, there were no significant populist socialist Vietnamese “resistance freedom fighters” left – only millions of Communist invaders, dying rapidly as the US and South Vietnamese won every significant battle)
– No one nailed the MSM hard enough, then or now, and they continue blithely falsifying Vietnam as a defeat, with Tet as a “turning point”
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Congratulations Weblog Award Winners
The final votes have been cast and tallied, and the winners of the 2006 Weblog Awards
have been announced.
Check out the final results, and if you have a moment, congratulate the winners, the finalists, and the nominees that made it happen.
On a personal note, I'd like to thank those of you who voted for Confederate Yankee, and for those of you who nominated me to be a finalist for the second year in a row.
Perhaps next, year, I'll see you in Vegas.
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Bloomberg Behind Entrapment?
Glenn Reynolds linked to the following from
NRA News:
There's someone out there telling folks to buy guns illegally, and I think it's time we put a stop to it. He's directing contract employees to walk into gun stores, lie on the paperwork about who's buying the gun, and walk out after making a straw purchase.
Even worse, he's bragging about what he's doing. He's holding press conferences to tell the world about what he's done, but so far law enforcement doesn't seem to be listening.
Well, I think it's time we help out the ATF agents that enforce our nation's gun laws. We need to call their Illegal Gun Hotline at 1-800-ATF-GUNS (that's 1-800-283-4867) and alert them to this illegal firearms activity. Tell them that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is hiring private investigators to initiate straw purchases in several states, and you want them to enforce the law.
Oh, I know Bloomberg says he wants to rid New York's streets of illegal guns. But he's not asking for help from local law enforcement agents. He's not asking for the help of the ATF. He's not even using his own police department.
Bloomberg is using his own private army of investigators to lie on the paperwork in order to sue the small business gun dealers, alleging that they're to blame for the lies they've been told. And once he sues, he offers the trapped gun dealers a devil's bargain: Give Bloomberg all of your business documents, and the lawsuit goes away.
Unless the law works differently in New York City than it does elsewhere, it appears that Mayor Michael Bloomberg may be involved in a criminal conspiracy to break federal firearms laws.
Strawman purchases—roughly defined as someone legally allowed to purchase a firearm illegally acting to purchase a firearm for someone not legally allowed to own a weapon—is a felony. At the sporting good store where I work, we have multiple notices posted for customers letting them know that such a sale can lead to up to ten years in jail and a substantial fine, and they are not the only people at risk.
Gun store owners and employees are extremely aware of the threat that illegal purchases pose to not just their industry, but their own immediate welfare. Knowingly selling a gun to someone we suspect may be a strawman is also a crime.
As a result, most gun store employees interrogate potential purchasers to a certain degree to attempt to determine if the potential gun purchaser is indeed attempting to purchase a firearm for himself. If we suspect that something might be fishy with the buyer, we have a right to stop the transaction from occurring, even when the federal government, through the FBIÂ’s NICS Operations Center, verifies that the purchaser is indeed himself legally allowed to own a gun.
The problem is that Mayor Bloomberg's investigators likely know every nuance of the law, just as they know the tricks of the trade dealers use to expose potential strawman purchasers from legitimate purchasers. To initiate lawsuits against small gun store owners, it seems quite likely that Mayor Bloomberg and his investigators may have initiated a felonious conspiracy, committing fraud in order to set up my laymanÂ’s understanding of entrapment.
If any lawyers would like to comment on this, I'd be very interested to see if these gun shop owners targeted by Bloomberg have any criminal or civil recourse against the Mayor, his investigators, and the City of New York.
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it appears that Mayor Michael Bloomberg may be involved in a criminal conspiracy to break federal firearms laws.
Yep. Anyone who lies on a
4473 is guilty of a Federal felony. Last time I checked, lying on that form was good for a year at Club Fed.
I look forward to a bunch of asshats being led off in bracelets when a savy FFL stalls them and calls the cops.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 04:23 PM (xXVSL)
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Your trackbacks are broken.
Doing it the
hard way
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 04:47 PM (xXVSL)
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please tell us when the first charges are filed.
Posted by: oh at December 18, 2006 11:53 PM (CyjMp)
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What's the difference between what Bloomberg's private detectives are doing at gun shops, and teenagers getting some old rummy to buy booze for them at the ABC store? It still involves a conspiracy perpetrated by the individuals involved, and I don't see how the seller is liable.
Posted by: Tom TB at December 19, 2006 03:42 PM (0Co69)
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...and teenagers getting some old rummy to buy booze for them at the ABC store?
Read the 4473 form at the link I posted and you'll know the answer to this question.
Do the words "Federal felony" mean anything to you?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 19, 2006 10:27 PM (xXVSL)
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Purple Avenger, I was using humor to illustrate a point; Mayor Bloomberg is a control freak and will go to any lengths to get his way, whether it's using specious data of lung cancer caused by second-hand smoke to stop smoking in bars and restaurants, or to send paid operatives to commit fraud to shake-down gun dealers who operate out the reach of his 37,000+ member Police department. For a guy who says "I don't know why anyone would want to own a gun.", he's always surrounded by an armed army!
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Monday Morning Jamilgate
Nothing yet from Danzinger over at
Winds of Change to further his claim of possibly finding the AP's missing Iraqi Police Officer Jamil Hussein, but Patrick Frey spoke with him last night, and seems to think there might be
something there:
I just got off the phone with Marc "Armed Liberal" Danziger. If everything comes together the way he hopes it will, he is going to blow the lid off of this Jam(a)il Hussein controversy. If heÂ’s able to put together what he told me about on the phone, it's huge.
I wish I could say more.
Note that Patterico, lawyer that he is, doesn't say who is going to get burned.
Patterico also catches some fact-free lefty bloggers who were jumping to conclusions that are factually incorrect, to defend a story without any physical supporting evidence, based upon a typically uncritical post from a "news" industry site run by an admitted liar and revisionist with his own admitted history of using false sources.
As I have been pushing hard for a while now, Jamil Hussein is just one aspect of this story. The Associated Press has yet to account for unsubstantiated propaganda it repeated from this story for the Association of Muslim Scholars, a group with strong ties to the insurgency that claimed 18 people were killed in "an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque." There is zero supporting evidence for this claim made by a terrorist-associated group, and yet the AP reported it as fact.
How is this not dishonest journalism?
How is this not supporting terrorist propaganda?
The Associated Press has been curiously silent about its still unsubstantiated claims that four mosques--Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa--were rocketed with RPGs, fired upon with heavy machine gus and assault rifles, and set on fire, with only the intervention of U.S forces stopping the carnage.
But we know that the al-Muhaimin mosque stands undamaged, and there is zero evidence that 18 people were killed inside. We know that tow other mosques are completely undamaged as well. Only Nidaa Allah suffered minor fire damage, quickly extinguished by Iraqi firefighters, who curiously did not find 18 people burned in an inferno there or anywhere else, nor an additional six burning bodies lying in the street. Nor were U.S forces ever in Hurriyah, an area exclusively patrolled by Iraqi forces.
By all means, I hope that Danziger can provide solid evidence that he located someone named Jamil Hussein. Perhaps Hussein, once identified, can point us to which AP reporters are most responsible for the Associated Press' apparent on-going journalistic malpractice, cover-up, and fraud in this, and potentially other instances.
The 60s radicals may have been partially right:
Don't trust anyone over -30-
Update: Though he made a noble effort, Marc Danziger concludes that despite his earlier comments, Captain Jamil Hussein does not exist. What he does turn up, however is that their is a suspect sergeant by that name with ties to the dead Uday Hussein (Saddam's sadist son) and Baathist dead-enders. While Danziger won't say it, I'd posit from those details that this Sgt. Hussein is obviously a Sunni, is perhaps tied to the insurgency, and certainly not who the AP claims he is.
Nice guy that I am, I'm currently working on helping Kathleen Carroll write the apology and retraction she should have released weeks ago. Here it is.
Update: SeeDubya maps the impossibilities.
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So how do you like your crow, well done, or medium rare?
Posted by: Frederick at December 18, 2006 01:18 PM (jSBbA)
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It seems many people are putting a whole lotta faith in Liberal Avenger based solely on his screen name. By his own admission, he is not sure how his investigation will affect the current debate. Now that he has everyone's attention, he is going to have to produce something.
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Please tell me, Fred, why I should have to eat crow?
The AP claims that Jamil Hussein has been a known source of theirs for two years, and yet they have been unable to provide a single shred of evidence over the past three weeks that shows he exists. In contrast, the Iraqi Interior Ministry officially disputes he exists at any level of the interior ministry or police force, at any rank or level.
The AP claims that four mosques were rocketed, machine-gunned, and burned, with a total body count of 24 dead. There has been zero physical evidence brought forth that so much as a single soul died.
Not one.
The Associated Press uncritically quoted an insurgent-related group as a source for three-quarters of the deaths claimed, without letting readers know that they are widely considered to be affiliated with terrorists. Nor does the AP have the integrity to admit that the mosque where these 18 were "killed" lies completed unaffected, undamaged, and unsoiled. 3 of the 4 mosques have no damage at all, and the fourth had minor damage and no injuries. The AP has refused to issue a retraction, and continues to propagate a lie refuted by the Iraqi Defense, Interior, and Health Ministries.
Please explain to me why, Fred, when the AP has been unable to substantiate a series of terrorist attacks and murders without a single shred of physical or photographic evidence after three weeks of counterclaims, and in opposition to official pronouncements from multiple government agencies that the physical evidence (or lack thereof) is in direct contradiction to the APÂ’s claims, should feel the least bit defensive?
I do
not, in any way, have any reason to be firing up the grill, unless you want me to continue my roast of the AP's shoddy fact-checking, uncritical parroting of insurgent propaganda, and inability to substantial the basic facts of their stories or validate the credibility of long-running sources.
The AP is guilty of continued fraud and faith-based reporting in at least this instance, and you and so many of your compatriots carry so much ideological hatred that you are actually
eager to swallow their dung and pronounce it ambrosia.
If anyone should be feeling defensive, Fred, it should be those uncritical liberal bloggers far more interested in continuing their narrative than acknowledging the deep structural flaws in the APÂ’s reporting of this story.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 18, 2006 01:52 PM (g5Nba)
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I would let the leftists cook all the crow they want...let them put down some fine linens and sterling for the feast.
As you know, I smelled a rat creeping out when the leftists started to congeal on the issue of "finding" the Captain and Jamil...but combined with complete and utter silence on all the core subjects from the AP and the other parrots and lemmings already there.
That simply does not compute. There's a trick up somebody's sleeve here. I can sense it.
And, if I was a leftist sitting in the wings grinning like a babu'n...and ready to ululate and pass out candy...I might not call the confectioner just yet.
There's more to this story than meets the eye, but when it's all said and done...whatever the trick is, is JUST as likely to blow up in the face of the goofs who are about to try to pull it off....if this is indeed a trick.
I still smell a rat. And now that we've begun to see his shadow...he lists leftward when he minces across the floor. Patience. Let them cook crow all they want. We'll just wait to see who has to eat it.
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December 17, 2006
Hussein Revealed?
Marc Danziger posts over at
Winds of Change that he thinks there might be a
Jamail Hussein at the Yarmouk Police Station in Baghdad. He doesn't provide any evidence, but then, he doesn't claim this is a certainty, either.
I posted the following in the comments:
I guess the question to this part of the equation is whether or not "Jamail Hussein" is "Jamil Hussein."
I find it unlikely.
AP pointed us to this specific police station and provided Jamil Gholaiem Hussein as the full name of their source. It defies all logic to think that both the American and Iraqi forces involved here would not have combed every possible variant of his name, and have not run through through the personnel records of every single officer at the Yarmouk police station... not to mention the probability that they interviewed every cop at Yarmouk to see if they knew of Hussein. I think it more likely that your Jamail Hussein is indeed a real Iraqi policeman, but somehow I doubt he is a Captain, and I think you'll find he will deny being AP's source.
But as I've said on my site, Hussein is only one aspect of the story reported on November 24.
The AP reported 4 mosques were rocketed with RPGs, machine-gunned with both heavy machine guns and assault rifles, burned, and blown up... and yet the AP has provided no evidence that these buildings were damaged, and officials from the Iraqi Army, Iraqi Police, and Iraqi Health Ministry (presumably in charge of the fire department) report only one mosque suffering minor fire damage, with the other three untouched.
The AP claimed six men were pulled alive from a rocketed mosque, doused in kerosene, and then burned alive. The AP also uncritically reported a claim by the Association of Muslim Scholars (long thought to be affiliated with the insurgency) that as many as a dozen people burned to death inside one of the burning mosques... one of the mosques that was found to be undamaged, much less destroyed.
Not a single body has been found, nor does anyone seem o be able to locate family members of those killed, or friends, or anyone who can so much as name the victims.
There seems to be zero physical evidence that the AP could produce in three trips to the area, and with three trips they've been unable to get anyone, official or unoffical, or go on the record supporting their claims with the exception of a Sunni elder that has since refuted his claim, and our friend, Captain Jamil Hussein.
The AP insists Hussein exists. At this point, they must. He is the only thing they can hang this story on, and if that falls apart, this story is utterly discredited. Of course, if this story falls apart, the AP's credibility takes a huge hit, not just for thist story, but becuase Captain Jamil Hussein was a named source on 60 other AP stories, throwing all those stories in doubt.
Bylines to those 61 stories were provided by 17 AP reporters... not exactly helping their credibility, either.
To further up the ante, Jamil Hussein is just one of more than a dozen "Iraqi policemen" cited by the AP in past (and current) reports for which the Iraqi Interior Ministry cannot confirm their employment or authenticity.
I don't think I'm overstating the case by saying that AP's entire portfolio of Iraq reporting credibility rests on the existence and authenticity of Jamil Hussein being an authentic Iraqi police captain.
For this very reason which the Associated Press undboutably understands, the AP would have produced an authentic police captain by now if they had one.
More than likely, Jamail Hussein is not Jamil Hussein, just as these blown up mosques still stand.
I think it is worth repeating that Jamilgate is a multi-faceted scandal. There are two basic questions driving this continuing event:
- Were four mosques and 18 people murdered (not including the six men by immolation) in Hurriyah as alleged by the Associated Press?
- Does the long-time AP source "Jamil Gholaiem Hussein." a Captain in the Iraqi Police, actually exist?
The first part deals with the specific allegations of a series of terrorist acts, and the evidence supporting those allegations. The second part deals with the credibility of a heavily-used and deeply trusted Associated Press source.
The common thread uniting the two parts? The unquestioning belief of the Associated Press in both the Hurriyah attacks they reported, and the man who was the primary source of this and 60 other stories, Jamil Hussein.
So far, the Associated Press hasn't been able to provide the first shred of physical or photographic evidence to support the existence of 18 killed in "an inferno at the al-Muhaimi mosque," nor six men pulled from a mosque and immolated, nor four mosques being rocketed, machine gunned, and burned, nor of a solitary Iraqi police captain who is the primary source of all those claims.
I somewhat doubt that he will when so many others have failed, but if Marc Danziger can prove the existence of Jamil Hussein, the world will be able to thank a blogger for doing what the largest news agency in the world could not.
With the Hussein question settled, we can then focus all of our efforts on trying to unravel why Hussein apparently lied about the attacks in Hurriyah, and begin to determine how many of the other five dozen stories he fed to the Associated Press were falsified, to what extent, and why.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at December 17, 2006 11:17 PM (n7SaI)
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For $20 you could get anyone to say they were Jamil Hussein.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 18, 2006 12:16 AM (xXVSL)
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There's obviously a lot more to the story than his simply being there, so I agree. We're working on several of the questions you've got posted; let's see what we've got tomorrow.
A.L.
Posted by: Armed Liberal at December 18, 2006 12:24 AM (RHb9q)
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My first thought upon hearing of AL's report was that this had all been some sort of "honey pot" trap.....I guess I'm just a product of the times I live in.
Posted by: TBinSTL at December 18, 2006 02:43 AM (MSiPb)
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So left wing bloggers are coming to the defense of AP. My question is when is AP going to come to the defense of AP? So far all AP is responded back with is righteous indignation. When are they going to release actual facts and evidence to support their CLAIMS? Or has the fourth estate forgotten that the need to occasionally back up their stories with EVIDENCE.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 18, 2006 08:59 AM (oC8nQ)
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I smell a rat....still.
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Battle for Sadr City? No Hue.
Several days ago, Allahpundit caught a potentially important L.A.
Times article which purports to outline "the way forward" in Iraq (my bold):
As President Bush weighs new policy options for Iraq, strong support has coalesced in the Pentagon behind a military plan to "double down" in the country with a substantial buildup in American troops, an increase in industrial aid and a major combat offensive against Muqtada Sadr, the radical Shiite leader impeding development of the Iraqi government.
Allah keyed in on the same phrase I did in the lede, and notes:
They want as many as 40,000 more troops and, to make sure no one’s going to call off the dogs once they’re unleashed, a shuffle within the Iraqi government, which is almost certainly what Bush’s meeting with Iraq’s Sunni vice president was about yesterday. Some experts are knocking the plan on grounds that you can’t kill your way to victory here. You can’t not kill your way to victory either, though — we tried that by turning al-Sadr onto politics and look where it got us. Gen. Chiarelli wants to split the difference by introducing an aggressive jobs program alongside the military maneuvers to give would-be jihadists an alternative to fighting.
Greg Tini hits similar point at the new TomDelay.com blog, and Charles Krauthammer concludes in a column at Townhall.com:
Â…the president has one last chance to come forward with a new strategy.
He must do two things. First, as I've been agitating, establish a new governing coalition in Baghdad that excludes Moqtada al-Sadr, a cancer that undermines the Maliki government's ability to work with us. It is encouraging that the president has already begun such a maneuver by meeting with rival Shiite and Sunni parliamentary leaders. If we help produce a cross-sectarian government that would be an ally rather than a paralyzed semi-adversary of coalition forces, we should then undertake part two: "double down" our military effort. This means a surge in American troops with a specific mission: to secure Baghdad and (together with the support of the Baghdad government -- a sine qua non) suppress Sadr's Mahdi Army.
It is our last chance for success. Bush can thank the ISG and its instant irrelevance for making it possible.
For the very few of you needing a refresher, Muqtada al-Sadr is the 33-year-old fourth son of a famous Iraqi Shiite Grand Ayatollah, and the grandson of another (Wiki yourself silly if you want his life story). He lacks the education to claim any sort of formal religious authority, and has built a following based on his family's name. In that regard, he's like a sober Ted Kennedy, and roughly as loyal.
While al-Sadr's family has traditionally drawn support in Najaf and Basra, Muqtada draws must of his support from the Baghdad slum of Sadr City (formally Saddam City), and this is likely where al-Sadr's forces, the Mahdi Army, will make their stand.
This is Sadr City.
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Sadr City is a dense slum of some 2 million mostly Shiite souls crammed into 8 square miles of dilapidated public housing, where electricity is sporadic, sewage runs in the streets, and death squads routinely dump the bodies of their victims.
A description of Sadr City from GlobalSecurity.Org:
Sadr City is subdivided into six sections. The district is one of the poorest in Baghdad. Unemployment is rampant. Homes are in disrepair. The population consists mostly of Shiite Moslems. It is also a haven for criminals released from Iraqi prisons by Saddam shortly before the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Sadr City, built by Saddam Hussein, was the scene of numerous confrontations between coalition forces and residents in 2003. Infrastructure problems still plague portions of the district. Electrical services are intermittent. Parts of some streets in some neighborhoods are flooded with sewage from long-neglected pipes. Trash pickup stopped during the war, and residents started dumping their trash on the medians in the potholed streets.
To get an idea of the "lay of the land" in Sadr City, look at the series of 17 photos provided by the Christian Peacemaker Teams from 2005.
This is a map view of Sadr City.
A larger view (source) of the map from which this was drawn shows Baghdad's Green Zone in the bottom left corner of the picture, on the east bank of the Tigris River. Sadr City is bordered to the northeast by a substantial canal, the Ishbiliyah neighborhood and the Army Canal to the southwest, and mostly undeveloped areas in the northwest and southeast.
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Any attempt by U.S. and Iraqi Army forces to enter Sadr City and hunt down the Madhi Army militia is going to draw immediate comparisons to the 2004 Battle of Fallujah. Having just read an excellent detailed account of a Marine perspective of that battle in We Were One, I think I can honestly say, without any sense of humor or irony, that any battle in Sadr City will be exactly like Fallujah's Operation Phantam Fury, but completely different. That statement is not as Berra-ish as it may sound.
Sadr City is far more compact than Fallujah. Thanks to geography, it is theoretically easier to cordon off (and the last time they did, sectarian violence dropped sharply), and once segregated into quadrants, set up for combat or search operations.
Whether Sadr City becomes another urban moonscape, or is instead something far less intense, is very much up to al Sadr and the loose affiliates of the Madhi Army.
If they opt for a showdown, we could see extremely intense urban fighting. It would not be out of the realm of possibility to see significant U.S. casualties in this kind of close-quarters fighting, but the toll on the Madhi Army would likely be catastrophic. The Army and Marines have had two years to study the lessons learned from the assault on Fallujah, and adapt tactics, techniques, and rules of engagement. Estimates vary wildly on the number of terrorist casualties in Phantom Fury, but 1,200-1,600 killed and roughly half that number captured are the numbers from a force in the mid-thousands is most often cited.
The Madhi Army is estimated to be between 10,000-40,000 strong. Extrapolating out similar casualty rates for a similar urban combat, and the Madhi Army could suffer between 2,500-10,000 killed, with thousands wounded and captured.
If the bulk of the Madhi Army instead decides that martyrdom is best left for another time and decides to melt away, casualties could be considerably lower, and the operation could morph into a deadly Easter egg hunt. Coalition forces dodging booby-traps, IEDs, and the occasional sniper or small unit ambush could capture and destroy some or most of the Madhi armyÂ’s military capability.
In any even, this is likely the next large-scale battleground in Iraq, and a battle that increasing appears must be fought if Iraq hopes to suceed.
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...a battle that increasing appears must be fought if Iraq hopes to suceed.
Then sign up and go fight it.
Posted by: elmo at December 15, 2006 05:57 PM (iQ1uF)
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So elmo..what's your plan?
Posted by: Specter at December 15, 2006 06:28 PM (ybfXM)
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Apparently, elmo will be tickled only if we "lose" the war in Iraq.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 15, 2006 07:08 PM (V56h2)
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Elmo's plan is to have splodydopes at the local mall.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 16, 2006 12:05 AM (xXVSL)
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Hey cool man, we’re finally going after Sadr. I wonder if it’ll be the NYSlimes or WaPo that publishes the battle orders, operational ROE’s, daily codes, supply route’s, etc., etc., etc…along with the names and addresses of the troops families here at home?
Anybody know what colors the Mullah’s would prefer to have Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Jordan wrapped in?
Christmas, after all, is just around the corner.
Posted by: Eg at December 16, 2006 04:50 AM (TtsA5)
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Of course the US can kill its way to victory.....look at WW2.
The only issue is will.....if the politicians have the will, US military technology can do the job.
The other side has no reticence about the application of force nor should we.......collateral damage is a passing fad. The only way we can lose is to choose to.
Posted by: George Dixon at December 16, 2006 07:25 AM (COB3g)
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You can't kill yourself to victory. You have about as much chance of that as talking your enemies to death.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 16, 2006 01:34 PM (/wT0K)
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Interesting pics. For a people who avoid swine they sure live like pigs...
Posted by: Charlie h. at December 16, 2006 07:18 PM (qsd70)
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So in other words, Sadr City is like East St. Louis or South Central LA?
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As I scored the top two results in this
Google search, shouldn't I be getting more traffic?
And tips?
Update: Would probably be about like this.
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with out a dout KANSAS CITY is home of BBQ there is nothing better then the 3 B's. BBQ, cold beer & kc blue's. we probaly have more BBQ joints per capata then anywere eles on the planet!!!!!
LOL
Posted by: Rich from Kansas City at December 15, 2006 05:03 PM (EblDJ)
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I get hits for 'Hillary Clinton sexy feet' and 'Rosie O'Donnell nude'. Go figure ... lolol
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Via
Fox News:
The exotic dancer who accused three former Duke lacrosse players of raping her at a house party has given birth to a baby, FOX News has confirmed.
None of the 45 Duke lacrosse players had their DNA liked to genetic material recovered from the dancer, though DNA of five other men was recovered at that time.
It is not yet know if embattled Durham district attorney Mike Nifong will order all the men in North Carolina tested from a match.
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Posted by: Anonymous for now at December 15, 2006 11:33 AM (RMHg5)
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From what I read about the government and people of N.C. they would line up like sheep at a shearing. The dimmi government treats the citizens like retarded three year olds and they just bend over and take it. Maybe the term 'corn fed and inbred' applies.
Posted by: Scrapiron at December 15, 2006 11:52 AM (Eodj2)
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Why, thank you, Scrapiron. My sister lives in North Carolina, and she doesn't match any of your colorful descriptives.
Posted by: F451 at December 15, 2006 12:25 PM (KAtv4)
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I guess all these folks are "corfed and inbred"
John Hawkins of Right Wing News. Raleigh, NC
Betsy Newmark, Betsy's Page. Raleigh, NC
Lorie Byrd, Wizbang! Clayton, NC
Josh Manchester, The Adventures of Chester, Durham, NC
"Sister Toldjah," Sister Toldjah, Charlotte, NC
Bruce ???, Gay Patriot, Charlotte, NC
Mary Katherine Ham, Townhall, native of Durham, NC
That is just to name a few.
I've got a question for you, scrapiron... ever been here?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 15, 2006 12:30 PM (g5Nba)
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In a perfect world, Nifong's DNA would match the child's...
Posted by: legion at December 15, 2006 01:17 PM (3eWKF)
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5? Why that kind of initiative and production are to be roundly applauded. This woman is the embodiment of American business.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2006 01:42 PM (xXVSL)
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Nifong is the precise reason why prosecutors shouldn't run for office. Once you start prosecuting the politics, instead of the persons...you can't quit in the middle of the wrong case.
Nifong bought Edsel stock and is trying to convince everyone on the showroom floor that it's a Ferrari.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 15, 2006 02:22 PM (V56h2)
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News is that the head of the Lab that did the DNA testing testified under oath that he and Nifong decided not to tell anyone else about the fact that there was DNA in/on the "lady" (loose term - pun intended) that did not match the accused. Nifong purposely withheld information that was exculpatory from the defense. And I keep hearing that prosecutors would never cheat. What a load of crap.
Posted by: Specter at December 15, 2006 06:33 PM (ybfXM)
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Nifong's actions are proof positive (as if any are needed) against capital punishment.
Here is a clear case of probable prosecutorial misconduct--witholding exculpatory evidence, etc. There have also been demonstrated instances where prosecutors have witheld evidence in capital or first degree murder trials, only to have the wrongly accused/sentenced later exonerated.
The Duke students were able to hire good legal defenses. Very often, the victims of prosecutorial misconduct are not. Given the permancy of execution, and the possibility of misconduct on the part of the prosecution, the "act without recourse" (execution) should not be imposed.
Posted by: Consigliari at December 16, 2006 10:30 PM (ztr4T)
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So these Duke students will have to ask, as so many people have done in the past; "Okay, we're acquitted; where do we go to get our reputations back?".
Posted by: Tom TB at December 17, 2006 09:58 AM (Eodj2)
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1- Don't judge the state of North Carolina by Chapel Hill: there's a reason we refer to it as "The People's Republic". The denizens have an inferiority complex about Berkeley.
2- Why is this an arguement AGAINST capital punishment? The DNA evidence exonerates the accused. Evidently, there ARE methods to ascertain guilt or innocence with a beyond-reasonable-doubt level (and, when taken with other evidence, 'beyond all doubt' levels can be reached) of certainty. In fact, this is an arguement FOR capital punishment- a corrupt DA who was railroading innocent defendants has been caught out, and the accused will be released.
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Jamil Hussein Goes Ivy League
Don't worry. This isn't Yale allowing the corporeally-challenged Captain to join the student body like
Taliban of semesters gone by, but a solid op-ed in the
Daily Princtonian, titled
You Can't Handle the Truth.
An excerpt:
That the story is wrong is beyond debate; even the AP now refers to one burned mosque, not four, so the question is not "if" but "how badly" the AP screwed up. Yet instead of an apology, the AP's response to criticism has been to shoot the messenger. The story first broke on the conservative blog www.floppingaces.net and grew quickly within a circle of other conservative blogs and opinion columns. The AP alleged that this was simply a "mad blog rabble" attacking an entirely reputable source. This ignores the fact that Hussein only became a story after the U.S. military and Iraqi government demanded but did not receive a retraction of the original faulty report.
So why have traditional media sources not reported this controversy? Because it is not in their interests to undermine the AP. This summer's "fauxtography" scandal at Reuters, in which photographers were found to have photoshopped evidence of Israeli atrocities during the Hezbollah war, did not hit at the underlying narrative. The storyline stayed the same with different details. If the AP has to issue a correction for all 61 stories in which Hussein was quoted, it will call into question fundamental perceptions about what is happening in Iraq. If Hussein isn't real, it suggests that there are other as yet undiscovered fakes.
If our media is reporting as fact attacks that never occurred substantiated by witnesses who don't exist, then we have a problem. Public opinion about distant events is necessarily based on what is reported in the press. Therefore, we need to be confident that what we read is real.
Requiring that our news be real? What kind of subversive things are they teaching these days?
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One things for sure, Barry Caro will not be going to Baghdad to find out the truth of things himself.
He'll be safe as a Princeton sophomore, not as a Marine or Soldier.
Posted by: observer 5 at December 14, 2006 04:35 PM (X/BmB)
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Strangely, a quick google shows that Mr. Caro has already responded to your hackneyed meme.
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2006/09/28/opinion/15959.shtml?type=printable
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 14, 2006 05:09 PM (oC8nQ)
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LOL BTT. It kills me how easy it is to make some of these folks eat their own words.
Posted by: Specter at December 14, 2006 06:20 PM (ybfXM)
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Yeah but Specter...how do you get their words...past their foot?
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 14, 2006 06:32 PM (V56h2)
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CY
On the Captain and Jamil farewell tour, promoted by Greasy Easy Jordan...is it just me, or does anyone else smell a rat? And a trap?
Michelle doesn't need me to look out for her, obviously...but...wouldn't Jordan have some contacts remaining from the days of carrying water for the Sunni and Sharia dog and pony show that he oversaw for CNN?
Why does he crawl out from behind the baseboards and issue the challenge to Michelle, right out of the gate? There are a few thoughts that come immediately to mind:
1)Bounce back relevancy motive: He semi-challenges one of the heavyweights (ie; Glenn, Charles, Michelle) and then basks in the reflected starlight, instead of remaining in the dank, dark corners of humiliation and irrelevance.
2)He's trying to clean up his image motive: If he "finds" Harvey the Invisible Rabbit, he wins...if he doesn't he claims he's been impartial all along and this proves it.
3)It's a setup. Somebody is sitting there ready to play the role of the good Captain and Michelle is going to be setup, unable to gain access to anyone who can refute it. Jordan has someone, a bunch of someone's...ready to give "evidence"...and it's a pre-planned script.
It's impossible to believe that he doesn't have contacts there. Especially with the Sunni's, whom he allowed to propagandize while Saddam was still in business. They owe him and here's a chance to repay. Maybe he gets "just enough" "evidence" to cloud the story and give cover to the AP.
I smell a rat, but I'm willing to be convinced that one of the first two prospects is more plausible. Or maybe a fourth that I haven't considered...but this is too neat, too pat...something's not right here.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 14, 2006 08:25 PM (V56h2)
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Barry Caro will not be going to Baghdad to find out the truth of things himself.
Well there's an independent "Jamil Hussein hunt" being organized, so I guess we'll have the answer soon enough.
If he exists I think we can trust Eason Jordan to say so...well maybe not. But if he is there Malkin would be willing to admit it.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 15, 2006 12:32 AM (xXVSL)
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The press has lied about Iraq.
The nation listened and then voted.
An election has been swayed by leftist press lies.
How extreme should the accounting be?
Time to Water the Tree of Liberty.
Posted by: George Dixon at December 15, 2006 07:27 AM (COB3g)
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cf,
IF (big IF), they find someone who is supposed to be the dear police officer, the next step would be to walk with him to the Interior Ministry Dept and clear up why he is not on the roles as an officer.
Just seeing someone purportedly named Jamil Hussein is not good enough. That is what happened with the AP. To prove his existence, he must be found and then verified by someone who keeps the data. I would start in the payroll department - surely the good officer gets paid. Then we can check where he banks - or spends his money. The money trail won't lie.
Posted by: Specter at December 15, 2006 07:50 AM (ybfXM)
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I know there are people that might doubt Jordan's intenions, and with good reason I might add. But you know, this was a guy drummed out of CNN. The MSM has turned their back on him. He has two choices if he wants to stay relevant. Be like Peter Arnett, who I believe is now the Information Minister for the Islamic State of Iraq, or become a thorn in the MSM's side. Like many major media players, this isn't about politics, this is about greed and stroking Jordan's ego. If he can take down AP, he will have carved out a nice little niche for himself, and we may have found a new ally on one of the most important fronts in the War on Terror.
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Specter
I understand WHAT must be done, but a couple of nagging questions keep gnawing at me.
Why has nobody else gone to the very police station where this guy was "met with, numerous times" his office in the Yarmouk police station in west Baghdad???
How hard would it be for ANY of the other Ministry of Media members to go there and ask to see him? Have him pointed out to them?
Doesn't this strike anyone else as strangeness in the extreme? He's a CAPTAIN...in a NAMED police station, in a NAMED (Yarmouk) section of the city. (nowhere near the site of the phony immolations or bombing of the mosques, by the way).
So, NOBODY has gone back to that station and looked at the captain, his office...talked to any of the other higher ranking officials...nothing? I don't believe it for a minute. We aren't getting affirmations OR denials...we are getting silence. Why?
BTT
Again, much like Specter...I hear where you are coming from...but I simply don't believe that "Like many major media players, this isn't about politics"....I believe that the Ministry of Media is ALL about politics...and a political agenda.
Jordan resigned over the flap about journalists being targeted by the military...and HE'S going to back up CENTCOM and not the AP???
It just seems to me that if he wants to get some payback against the military, the blogosphere that cost him his job, and utilize his sources from the days as Baghdad Bob's waterboy...it's got all the elements of a springloaded trap.
Then again, maybe he has done a complete 180 on everything he has been up to this very moment in time. Ya think?
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"I believe that the Ministry of Media is ALL about politics...and a political agenda."
I believe its only partly about the politics. I think its mostly all about the Benjamins. The MSM sells the left wing agenda because that's what sells, or at least what used to sell.
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BTT
If that's the case, I have only a couple more questions:
1)Why do ALL of them (the old media, the stage and theater branch, print, ....ALL...) continue to push leftist pap...when they are losing revenue in the billions of dollars?
Wouldn't it seem to be somewhat axiomatic that they would (at least some of them) REVERSE direction or at least shift gears?
Instead, they seem to be digging in their collective heels HARDER. That would seem to work against the theory that their primary motivation is dollars. It would seem, instead...that they are attached to leftist dogma, GREATER than they are attached to profit motive.
2)How does photoshopping photos, staging phony scenes, making up fake sources, withholding information about progress in Iraq and Afghanistan, distorting, misrepresenting, obscuring, the facts and evidence...how is that tied to the PROFIT motive?
Wouldn't that make them LESS trustworthy and therefore less appealing to folks that might otherwise spend money in their direction?
I completely understand that it's counterintuitive that they might actually be working AGAINST their profit motive, but that sure seems like what's happening from view here in the center field bleachers.
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 15, 2006 04:03 PM (V56h2)
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cfbleachers,
You are thinking like the reader of blogs. Think instead like the consumers of the MSM and then see how many of these stories show up there and what those stories say. I would bet that Eason Jordan will be at most a one day story, Hussein will be shown to exist (without checking the validity of his existence), the AP will be vindicated (so far as the MSM is concerned) since the AP is where the MSM gets its stories, and we will still be told lies and slanted news by the media. The blogs will be tarred as being right wing hacks out to slander the good name of their betters, the MSM reporters, and cast aspersions on what a quagmire the Iraq war is and it is all the fault of the right wing religious wingnuts out there.
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What do you guys have to say to
this?
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From
Jim and Tammy Faye's kid (my bold):
While the current state of Christianity might seem normal and business-as-usual to some, most see through the judgment and hypocrisy that has permeated the church for so long. People witness this and say to themselves, "Why would I want to be a part of that?" They are turned off by Christians and eventually, to Christianity altogether. We can't even count the number of times someone has given us a weird stare or completely brushed us off when they discover we work for a church.
Weird stares? I can't imagine why.
I'm sure they mean well, but I don't think they "get it" any more than those on the Jerry Falwell end of the Christian spectrum they rail against.
Their response to those Christians they feel are too judgmental is to condemn them. Missing their own message, much? They then responds to what they considers too-judgmental Christianity with a very cavalier "it's all good" approach that I somehow doubt is any more correct or Christ-like. They simply fail in the opposite extreme.
While Jesus Christ never touched on the subject directly as it wasn't a direct theological social concern of the day, I'm pretty sure that Jesus, as a (mortally) unplanned pregnancy himself, would not appreciate Bakker and Brown's flippant dismissal of abortion as something we can "agree to disagree" on.
I'm no theologian, but I'm pretty sure Jesus would be in favor of loving children, not scraping them out of the womb as an inconvenience.
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The one on the left kinda looks like the serial killer in Henry 2 - Mask of Insanity
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 14, 2006 02:08 PM (xXVSL)
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So the child of Jim (convicted fraudster, criminal, bisexual) and Tammy Faye (one inch of makeup) is strange.
Stop the presses.
Posted by: observer 5 at December 14, 2006 04:40 PM (X/BmB)
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Their response to those Christians they feel are too judgmental is to condemn them.
He's not condemning them; he's saying that members of the body of Christ should treat one another as such. You're just being argumentative for its own sake.
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oopsy doodle! I misread the quote (ie, I didn't read it). Yeah, he condemned 'em.
Posted by: jpe at December 14, 2006 08:52 PM (sLGSy)
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If you want to see more of this kid he has a TV show coming up on one of the learning channels, either A&E or TLC.
But what to Jim and Tammy have to do with religion? They were the ultimate scam artist.
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Ummmm.... Tammy? I'm pretty sure the weird stares you get have nothing to do with your job, hon...
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I just got an email from
Michael Yon. He'll be flying out from Singapore and be in Baghdad via Kuwait on the
19th 25th-26th. I asked him to see if he could make it to
Hurriyah while he's in town. He does happen to be
pretty good with a camera.
AP's Kathleen Carroll should be breaking out in a cold sweat right about now...
Update: If there at the same time, Maybe Michael can have lunch with Michelle Malkin, who has accepted Eason Jordan's invitation to come over and hunt for the elusive Jamil Hussein, which is pretty much like looking for Nessie in the desert.
I'd advise Michelle to bring along plenty of Lysol wipes if she's going to be near Jordan, however. As Jules Crittendon attests, Jordan is as slimey as they come.
12/16 Update: As I just got email about this, I want to clarify a point:
Michael Yon's return to Baghdad is not related to the Malkin/Jordan snipe hunt for Jamil Hussein; Yon was already planning his way back "in-country" before Jamilgate emerged, and his only involvement is offering Malkin advice and gear. The timing is entirely coincidental.
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I'd like to get you on record as to whether or not you believe Michelle Malkin will actually travel to Baghdad.
I *know* that she doesn't have the courage to go.
How about it? Are you willing to go on record declaring - unequivocally and without qualifications - that Michelle will visit Baghdad within the next 6 months?
We won't accept "Eason Jordan refused to pay" as an excuse for not going, either. We know that Michelle can afford to go if she really wants to.
Will one chickenhawk defend the honor of another chickhawk?
This little game you people are playing could get very scary very easily once one of you actually starts believing in the bullshit you've been spewing. I can just picture Michelle Malkin walking through Baghdad with her video camera, collecting "evidence" that the AP doesn't want us to see...
Actually, I can't.
There's no way Malkin is going to Baghdad. We all know it. Are you going to continue to pretend that you believe she's going or is your silly game over?
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 14, 2006 10:17 AM (brWuL)
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Why do you seem so amazed?
She'll hardly be the first conservative citizen-journalist to head over, and I'm not even counting the hundreds of mil-bloggers that have gone and reported from the front lines. She may be among the first female non-military conservative bloggers to head over, however, and I do think she'll make the trip.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 14, 2006 10:25 AM (g5Nba)
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Well, Avenger, the game is afoot. Actually, since Michelle has demonstrated far higher intelligence than anyone in the MSM, I personally hope that she goes. As for the AP, well, schools of journalism exist to provide jobs for those who flunk out of real college courses.
Posted by: Lib-O-Suxion at December 14, 2006 10:27 AM (jTT87)
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Chickenhawk? I think 2003 called and wants its putdown back.
Posted by: Don Mynack at December 14, 2006 10:27 AM (wHaCh)
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No weasel-words. Spell it out.
Will she or won't she go?
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 14, 2006 10:27 AM (brWuL)
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Yes, if Eason goes, Michelle will go.
Posted by: alfonso at December 14, 2006 10:36 AM (5IuBI)
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Hey, dumbass, I can't speak for CY, but I can speak for Daily Pundit. Yeah, she'll go. Definitely. She's got more guts than you losers could scrape together out of a bowl full of Michael Moore - and you.
Posted by: Bill Quick at December 14, 2006 10:36 AM (k8UGu)
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What part of "I do think she'll make the trip" are you having trouble understanding?
I tried to keep it simple by using single syllable words, but did I string along to many in a row for you to follow?
No Child Left Behind was obviously a failure...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 14, 2006 10:37 AM (g5Nba)
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Michelle will go, and I'm going to give Jordan the benefit of the doubt on this new venture. Perhaps he is seeking redemption, or wants to tell the stories he could not earlier.
Posted by: Uncle Pinky at December 14, 2006 10:40 AM (2eQlr)
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I think Michelle will jump at the opportunity to drive a stake through Kathleen Carroll's heart. I think she's Baghdad bound. Eason Jordan has overplayed AP's hand with a reckless bluff and he's about to get called.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at December 14, 2006 10:41 AM (oC8nQ)
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Even if Malkin goes anywhere near Iraq she'll be just like every other rightwing pundit that's gone there and not poke her nose outside the Green Zone without being surrounded by a heavily armed and armored convoy of American troops and/or securtiy "contractors". She'll pull a Laura "8 days" Ingraham and start boasting about how everyone should listen to her because she bravely went to a safe compound in Iraq for a week and never mind the reporters who've spent months on the streets there or who actually, you know, live there. I mean what do they know about it?
"Today Is Better than Tomorrow" Iraq as a Living Hell By Dahr Jamail
Posted by: A Hermit at December 14, 2006 10:52 AM (Ze7RI)
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Hey Liberal Avenger:
What difference would it make, you miserable little twit?
Grow up.
Posted by: chzatchky at December 14, 2006 10:52 AM (whpK4)
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Let her buy a fallafel alone in Fallujah. We'll see what happens.
Posted by: Sirkowski at December 14, 2006 10:59 AM (4BjVK)
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I predict her announcing that Eason Jordan will "fail to provide for her security."
Wait and see.
It's guaranteed that regardless of whatever excuse she uses everyone here will lap it up without question.
Posted by: The Liberal Avenger at December 14, 2006 11:00 AM (brWuL)
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As I have already had to remove some thoroughly disgusting comments and an ethnic slur coming in from Liberal Avenger's blog, comments this thread is now locked.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at December 14, 2006 11:02 AM (g5Nba)
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I'd like to introduce both a marvelous bit of technology to Associated Press Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll, AP international editor John Daniszewski, and the newly, and
curiously promoted, AP Baghdad News Editor, Kim Gamel.
The marvelous bit of technology you see pictured below is what those of us on the cutting edge call a "disposable camera." In specific, the example pictured is a variant of the Kodak Fun Saver.
They have come up with a few more variants to suit your needs, and the prices are such that even a cash-starved global news agency can afford to send them out with even the most inexperienced of stringers. Your reporters don't have to return from Baghdad slums without any physical evidence ever again!
What will they think up next?
Now... how about a practical application of this new-fangled technology?
As we all know horrible acts of sectarian violence were claimed by AP reporters on November 24 in the Hurriyah neighborhood of Baghdad. According to a claim from long-time AP source Police Captain Jamil Hussein, a man that has since tripped and fallen off the planet, six Sunni men were pulled from a mosque, doused in kerosene, and burned alive.
In addition, AP claimed:
...members of the Mahdi Army militia burned four mosques and several homes while killing 12 other Sunni residents in the once-mixed Hurriyah neighborhood, Hussein said.
Gunmen loyal to radical anti-American Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr began taking over the neighborhood this summer and a majority of its Sunni residents already had fled.
The militiamen attacked and burned the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques in the rampage that did not end until American forces arrived, Hussein said.
The gunmen attack with rocket-propelled grenades, heavy machine guns and automatic rifles. Residents said militiamen prevented them from entering burned structures to take away the bodies of victims.
All that carnage, and your stringers without a Fun Saver.
Just think... how much credibility could have been saved if the Associated Press stringers had access to such technology on any of their first three trips into the neighborhood to cover this story?
Instead, we have a "he said, she said," stalemate where the AP claims these four mosques were rocketed, machine gunned, burned, and blown up, and coalition forces instead insist that only one mosque suffered though any attack at all, and that was a minor fire put out by the local fire department.
If these mosques are indeed intact, the first person to snap four pictures of the Ahbab al-Mustafa, Nidaa Allah, al-Muhaimin and al-Qaqaqa mosques intact will have wrecked the reputation of the world's largest news organization for $3.75.
An empowering thing, technology.
Off-Topic Update: Since I have your eyeballs thanks to Glenn and Michelle and others, I'd like to remind visitors that the 2006 Weblog Awards will be accepting votes until tomorrow, December 15. Click the logo below to vote for your favorites in 45 categories.
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Ouchie. That'll leave a mark.
Posted by: chris Muir at December 14, 2006 11:21 AM (+CRDT)
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We use those when we go on vacation, no need to worry about expensive cameras getting stolen.
Posted by: D at December 14, 2006 11:32 AM (VNM5w)
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Does the Fun Saver have PhotoShop built in or is that a free download?
Posted by: AW at December 14, 2006 01:16 PM (pnNpi)
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Man, don't you know they can't use film!!?? They can't just pop these into a laptop card reader and bring up photoshop. Wait, they've got laptops, card readers and full versions of photoshop at like $750 a license? Hmm, maybe they can afford a few FunSavers.
Posted by: Ay Uaxe at December 14, 2006 01:29 PM (vq8KZ)
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CY
Don't you know, Bob...the Ministry of Media is only interested in producing the "negatives".
Posted by: cfbleachers at December 14, 2006 02:29 PM (V56h2)
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December 13, 2006
Senator Suffers Possible Stroke
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Fox News:
South Dakota Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson was admitted Wednesday to George Washington University hospital in Washington, D.C., for symptoms aides say indicate a stroke.
"As this stage, he is undergoing a comprehensive evaluation by the stroke team. Further details will be forthcoming when more is known," said a statement released from his office.
Johnson was admitted after wrapping up a conference call with reporters, in which he became disoriented and stuttered a response to a question. He appeared to recover, asking for any additional questions and then signed off.
I've seen a lot of political coverage of this already, and ironically enough, it is a politician that seems to be the only person keeping this in the proper perspective.
"This is a pretty mean town and lets just keep him in our prayers," said former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas. "This town is so eat up with power that everybody, you know, that's all they think about. You go to ask somebody for a cup of coffee, they question why you asked, there must be an ulterior motive to you asking.
"Senator Johnson is a really nice man from strong South Dakota stock so I am sure he'll be all right," DeLay added.
As "the Hammer" says, keep the Senator and his family in your prayers.
There will be plenty of time for our base sport of partisan sniping later.
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I agree, pray for the Seantor and his family. He will most likely be back on the job in a couple of weeks.
On the other hand I would be happy to invite most of the dimmi's in congress to a buffet catered by Taco Bell.
Posted by: Scrapiron at December 13, 2006 06:34 PM (YadGF)
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Senator Johnson is a good and decent man. I wish him a full recovery.
Posted by: lady redhawk at December 13, 2006 07:15 PM (jx05q)
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May God be with him and his family. Prayers up.
Posted by: AliV at December 14, 2006 08:38 AM (hDlfX)
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