July 18, 2006
The Cussing, Spitting, Open-Mouth Chewing Bush
They forgot to call him a "stinky poopyhead."
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stinking idiots of the leftwing dominated msm don't realize this gets gwb MORE votes.
Posted by: reliapundit at July 18, 2006 05:42 PM (3+fnw)
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I guess MORE votes would matter if gwb were up for re-election reliapundit.
Hell, I have nothing against cussing and spitting, but I don't tout I'm a Jesus freak either. If you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk.
Saying "shit" is not going to send you to hell, and it doesn't mean you are not a Christian. But let's dig deep here and be honest with ourselves, I don't believe George is a Christian as he so proudly advertises.
Posted by: Johnny at July 18, 2006 06:33 PM (Vtwo9)
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Wow!! Someone actually reads CNN!!!
Posted by: lip at July 18, 2006 07:16 PM (EJHD4)
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Johnny.
What exactly does saying sh*t have to do with Christianity or anything else? It is not polite (by my standards), but then again he wasn't describing politeness either. And while I don't believe any "true" Christian could ever be elected, because you must "bear false witness" to get a plurality of votes, real Christians actually admit that they not only are not without sin, but most are not anywhere close to perfect. All most claim is that they are trying harder than nonprofessor of faith and willing to admit to their God, even if not to thee and me, that they are imperfect without proclaiming to anyone who crosses their path that they are indeed without sin, prevarication, laciviousness and errant thoughts.
Posted by: Richard at July 18, 2006 11:37 PM (nDJB/)
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Good catch, I missed that one yesterday. That sure was a brutal display of childishness no doubt.
Are they now referred to as the Childrens News Network?
Posted by: chicagoray at July 19, 2006 07:50 AM (k7SqL)
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Johnny...why don't you just give up?
Posted by: Specter at July 19, 2006 08:00 AM (ybfXM)
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Groped?
"Groped."
In a word overwrought with sexual harrassment dogma and victimization, that word has a very distinct social context. Most would agree to a contextual definition of groping as unwanted touching of a sexual nature, a context provided in no small part by our most recent ex-president.
Taylor Marsh is therefore quite dishonest in her hyperbolic headline, Bush Gropes Germany's Merkel.
Ever taking things out of context and folding them into a "reality-based" worldview, the four still images she includes on her site of President Bush giving German Chancellor Angela Merkel's shoulders an affectionate squeeze as he passes by on the way to his seat at the G8 summit.
Merkel does appear startled, but the lightweight outrage of American liberals who attempt to blow this into an international incident, or worse, some sort of transferred Oedipal complex is amusing to the extreme.
It betrays the mindset of a group of ersatz political bloggers with so little real substance that they are reduced to Page Six hissyfits of feigned indignation over a shoulder touch.
It becomes increasingly harder to take Taylor Marsh and her Fellow Travelers seriously on any subject of real importance.
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If you have worked in Corporate America in the past ten years, you probably have taken a sexual harassment course in order to limit your employer's liability to sex harassment suits. Most contextual definitions of groping include ANY unwanted touching. Period. Not just a sexual nature. GWB probably didn't have to sit through any of that...
I do believe that there is some who are trying to make this a mountain out of a mole hill, however, I didn't see him giving anyone else back rubs at the G8 and I can't imagine anyone (outside of personal family) being that forward with the President (or getting that close) in coming up and giving him a back rub. Well maybe Blair if he ever got higher than kissing his ass...
Posted by: matt a at July 19, 2006 07:59 AM (E+3yy)
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This is totally inappropriate behavior between a male world leader and a female world leader. It doesn't matter what you call it. He is our President and should act in public and whenever he is representing us on the world stage in such a way that does not cast embarrassment on our country. It was the G8 meeeting, not Animal House.
Posted by: Romanesko at July 20, 2006 06:07 AM (8F2K1)
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Will Misfires
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The Corner this morning, John Podhoretz announced:
George Will Goes Nuclear
This may prove to be the most discussed op-ed of the year.
Actually, it isn't even the most discussed post of the day from Washington Post columnists, with Richard Cohen's "curl up and die" op-ed targeting Israel taking that dishonor.
Still, I read Will's column in the New York Post as J-Pod urged, and even after a re-reading, I wasn't duly impressed with any of this:
Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Rice called it "short-sighted" to judge the success of the administration's transformational ambitions by a "snapshot" of progress "some couple of years" into the transformation. She seems to consider today's turmoil preferable to the Middle East's "false stability" of the last 60 years, during which U.S. policy "turned a blind eye to the absence of democratic forces."
There is, however, a sense in which that argument creates a blind eye: It makes instability, no matter how pandemic or lethal, necessarily a sign of progress. Violence is vindication: Hamas and Hezbollah have, Rice says, "determined that it is time now to try and arrest the move toward moderate democratic forces in the Middle East."
But there also is democratic movement toward extremism. America's intervention was supposed to democratize Iraq which, by benign infection, would transform the region. Early on in the Iraq occupation, Rice argued that democratic institutions do not just spring from a hospitable political culture, they also can help create such a culture. Perhaps.
But elections have transformed Hamas into the government of the Palestinian territories, and elections have turned Hezbollah into a significant faction in Lebanon's parliament, from which it operates as a state within the state. And as a possible harbinger of future horrors, last year's elections gave the Muslim Brotherhood 19 percent of the seats in Egypt's parliament.
For a region cycling through periods of high intensity, short-duration wars, and low intensity, long duration slugfests, is the "false stability" Will speaks of worth maintaining? I suggest not, and I think that the turmoil would exist, triggered by Hamas and Hezbollah and the regimes in Syria and Iran that back them, whether or not we ever invaded Iraq at all in 2003.
Certainly, America wasn't invading any Arab or Persian nations in the 1948 War for Israeli Independence, The Six Day War, the Yom Kippur War, or any of the other conflicts Israel has been engaged in during it's nearly 60 year modern history, and so Will's argument seems to fall short of the facts.
Will makes the false argument that instability is not required for progress in the region, an absurd position in science and politics. Whether we are discussing physical materials or a region in political stasis, a catalyst is needed to create change, and as that change occurred instability is a certainly. There is only stability in the inert and the dead, and quite frankly, I don't see Israel as willing to be either.
Yes, democracy can have bad results. People can elect bad leaders as easily as bad leaders can seize power on their own, but that does not invalidate the concept democracy, and in fact reinforced the importance of the vote. People can choose to make bad decisions and they must learn to live with the consequences of that decision. Hopefully, the Palestinians will learn that lesson over time, as will the Lebanese that helped Hezbollah into power, only to undo the progress of the past 15 years in less than a week.
Wil'ls column brings us nothing new, nothing astute, and rehashes arguments I've seen better written elsewhere by writers with far less renown.
Perhaps Will has attempted to go nuclear, but like a North Korean missile, he has fallen apart shortly after launch.
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What is false stability anyways but a revisionist snapshot of history? Every time period between periods of violence could be considered that. Seems like automatic justification to say, "Look! Those 60 years wasn't worth it!" I dare say the people living in that region those 60 years would prefer false stability over open violence any day of the week. Any bets on how long the next "false stability" after this current transformation lasts?
Posted by: matt a at July 19, 2006 07:52 AM (E+3yy)
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Cohen Blames Israel
You are an abomination. You are a mistake. You should have been aborted before birth, and now that you have been born, you deserve every beating you've gotten since, merely for daring to exist.
Or at least that seems to summarize Richard Cohen's feelings toward the Jews of Israel, while he can scarcely find a word to condemn Hezbollah, Hamas, or the other Islamists intent on Israeli genocide. Of course, don't take my word for it, when his will do:
The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now. Israel fights Hezbollah in the north and Hamas in the south, but its most formidable enemy is history itself.
This is why the Israeli-Arab war, now transformed into the Israeli-Muslim war (Iran is not an Arab state), persists and widens. It is why the conflict mutates and festers. It is why Israel is now fighting an organization, Hezbollah, that did not exist 30 years ago and why Hezbollah is being supported by a nation, Iran, that was once a tacit ally of Israel's. The underlying, subterranean hatred of the Jewish state in the Islamic world just keeps bubbling to the surface. The leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and some other Arab countries may condemn Hezbollah, but I doubt the proverbial man in their street shares that view.
There is no point in condemning Hezbollah. Zealots are not amenable to reason. And there's not much point, either, in condemning Hamas. It is a fetid, anti-Semitic outfit whose organizing principle is hatred of Israel. There is, though, a point in cautioning Israel to exercise restraint -- not for the sake of its enemies but for itself. Whatever happens, Israel must not use its military might to win back what it has already chosen to lose...
That is as much of Cohen's "curl up and die" message to Israel as I felt like holding forth, though you are certainly well within your rights to read the whole thing if you must.
Sadly, Cohen's grasp of history is shown to be almost as weak as that of Iran's Holocaust-denying President Ahmadinejad.
Cohen rails against "the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims," in a land where Jews predated the very existence of Islam by more than two millennia. It was only during the first two centuries AD that the Jews were forced from their ancestral homes in Israel and into slavery around the world, and it wasn't until after then that Muslims usurped Israeli lands.
Cohen makes another asinine statement unsupported by the history he claims to be on the side of, when he states, "Whatever happens, Israel must not use its military might to win back what it has already chosen to lose..."
Poppycock.
If history has taught us anything about Islam, it is that Islam—a religion that dutifully separates the world into Dar al Islam (the House of Submission [to Allah]) and Dar al Harb (the House of War)—the only thing Muslim culture understands or respects is brute force. From Vienna to Tours to modern day wars along Islam's current borders, this lesson is repeated down through history to the present day.
Only overwhelming force and the crushing defeats it has visited upon its enemies have kept Israel alive thus far. Every retreat, every pullback, has led to more aggression from its neighbors.
Displaying a most selective grasp of history, he excretes a post almost Greenwaldian in its dishonesty.
"It is best," Cohen concludes, "for Israel to hunker down."
Forces that hunker down can never win wars, and at best they may merely survive. Israel deserves something far more than the mere survival Cohen is willing to grant them.
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This is one of the most amazingly defeatest columns I have ever seen. Cohen's actually endorsing the President of Iran's position that the State of Israel should never have existed. Next thing you know he will be suggesting that we make room for the Jews of Israel in the Nevada desert.
Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.
Posted by: Redhand at July 18, 2006 06:11 AM (7G9b2)
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The problem is that both Cohen and CY are right and are wrong. It was very short sighted and incredibly euro-centric (based probably somewhat on the guilt over letting the holocaust occur) to establish a Jewish state on grounds that are considered holy by at least 3 major religions(Islam, Jewish, Christianity) that have a history of animosity towards each other and not foresee there would be alot of unrest. However, obviously the solution Cohen suggest is wrong as it is not acceptable to back up or surrender in order to merely to survive. That isn't a strategy that would enable long term planning for a country.
CY's arguement that the Jews were there first until they were kicked out is hypocritical as I don't see him running down to his local court house to sign over the deed to his house to the first Native American he can find. To argue that the Jewish people have a claim to land lost 1800 years ago is kinda silly.
And of course, what is a CY post without at least one stereotype,
"the only thing Muslim culture understands or respects is brute force." Congrats. You just provided the trial defense for any of the soldiers accused of murder, rape, prison abuses, etc. It is the only thing Muslims understand. I can't imagine how you aren't embarassed by that statement.
Posted by: matt a at July 18, 2006 07:39 AM (E+3yy)
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OK, so what Muslims really respect is, in Osama's words, "the strong horse". Strong horse, brute force - six of one, a half dozen of the other.
Posted by: Tim at July 18, 2006 08:00 AM (6cJ8H)
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And of course, what is a CY post without at least one stereotype, "the only thing Muslim culture understands or respects is brute force." Congrats. You just provided the trial defense for any of the soldiers accused of murder, rape, prison abuses, etc. It is the only thing Muslims understand. I can't imagine how you aren't embarassed by that statement.
Once again, matt a shows himself incapable of logical thought or historical honesty.
The nearly 1,400 year history of Islamic expansion and contraction has been one almost purely of violence. From the Battle of Badr onward to the present wars around the globe, Islam has been ruled by the sword. Islam recognizes only Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb as I accurately stated. matt a claims that what I said about Muslim culture only understanding or respecting brute force was a stereotype, and yet, he provides no evidence that what I said was inaccurate. Certainly, while individual Muslims and Muslim communities can assimilate to a certain extent into other cultures, that is not the rule, as over a thousand years of history conclusively proves. Islam is a religion of conquest, and its borders have always been at war as it seeks to subjugate other cultures. Those are the simple facts that matt a would rather ignore than face.
Certainly, liberals will bring up the fact that Christianity has had many bloody deeds performed in its name, but here is the key difference: when Christians murder in the name of their religion, they are going against the teaching of Jesus Christ. When Muslims murder in the name of Mohammed, they are fulfilling their prophetÂ’s commands.
Matt aÂ’s assertion that recognizing Islam for what it is somehow justifies atrocities against Muslims is equally preposterous. We have our own moral code far superior to theirs, and we judge our soldiers according to our higher legal and moral standards, not IslamÂ’s. American soldiers are charged for the murders they perform. They are charges for the rapes they commit and they are charged for abusing prisoners according to our higher standards.
If anyone should be embarrassed about anything, it should be matt aÂ’s for his ignorance of the bloody and very real history of Islam, and his attempt to imply that recognizing what they are somehow justifies stooping to their level.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 18, 2006 08:12 AM (g5Nba)
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technical issue - I find it very difficult to post a comment on this site. The website wasn't accessible most of yesterday (to me) and half the time I get errors on submission even though they show up. I posted a response to CY but it didn't show up. Happens alot.
CY - still can't stand facing yourself in the mirror, eh? Logical thought and historical honesty? If that is what religious bigotry is called I'm guilty. I never claimed that Islam didn't have a violent past. But so what? Wasn't my point. Show me a nation or major religion today that doesn't have a violent past?
I don't need to provide evidence of absolute absurdity. I guess these guys (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NEWS01/307180014) shouldn't be complaining, its the only thing they understand, right? If what you say is true that the ONLY thing Muslim culture understands is brute force, then why did we go into Iraq to "free" them from the only thing they understood or respected, a brutal dictator? Why should we have expected to be welcomed with open arms and flowers if Muslims only respected brute force? By your claim, Iraq must have been the MODEL Islam country. Gas thousands of your own people? Just another day in Islam....Heck, Muslims should have been trying to get into Iraq...
Your comments on historical honesty and then white-washing Christian violent past as "bloody deeds" is just pathetic. Christian violence spans over 1000 years as well. Medieval Crusades over 200 years. Smaller crusades after that another 500 years. Reconquista lasted off and on for 700 years. The European Wars of Religion. The Spanish Inquistion. The Church of England's prosecution of Puritans. Much of the colonization was done in order to further Christianity which was subjugating other cultures. Lets not forget the current war with Iraq where GWB has said he is doing God's will...
I'm not embarassed of not knowing Islam's bloody history as I'm not a Muslim but I'm not the one on some self-delusional moral superiority complex that stated Muslims only understand brute force basically de-humanizing them or in your words, "stooping to their level". Its one thing to not know something, its another to make an absurd generalization that degrades and de-humanizes an entire religion. That's embarassing.
Liberal. Oh no, another stereotype. Who'd had thunk it? SOP-Can't argue the facts, attack the messenger. Keep it up, it lets all your readers know when you don't have anything productive to say anymore on the subject.
Posted by: matt a at July 19, 2006 09:58 AM (E+3yy)
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Okay, I know I should just stay silent; but "matt" is so wrong that I cannot. Here's my two cents:
"maat" is not a "Liberal" in the classic sense of the word. He is just against anything GWB is for...
He's a troll with a leftist, angst-ridden view that "Angry White Men" are to blame for everything that's wrong in the world.
Attempting to justify attacks on civilians because their land was occupied in a UN-sponsored plan in the late 1940s puts the lie to his own remarks:
"CY's arguement that the Jews were there first until they were kicked out is hypocritical as I don't see him running down to his local court house to sign over the deed to his house to the first Native American he can find. To argue that the Jewish people have a claim to land lost 1800 years ago is kinda silly."
The Holocaust provides a very real justification for "Europeans" (I assume he was being funny since the UN, even in 1948, contained countries outside of Europe) restoring what Europeans (i.e., the Roman Empire, the UN of its day) took away.
Wars happen. Violence (or the threat of it) does solve things. It's not the way we "civilized people" act with each other; but the only absolutely certain method of obtaining peace is to always surrender...
That certain people want to take away the rights and freedoms of others is not new. The right of a nation to respond to attacks from inside and outside its borders is well-established.
"matt" is just wrong...
Posted by: jtb-in-texas at July 19, 2006 02:39 PM (7molT)
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It is this simply, the violence in the middle east would cease if the terrorists laid down their arms. Conversely, if the Israeli's laid down their arms the terrorists would begin the next Holocaust.
Also, Matt, the difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity has had a reformation, Islam has not. If you cannot see that Islamists the world over are at war with Western Cultures across the globe, or better yet, all non muslims, then you are and will continue to be clueless. The reality is, if Islam ultimately wins this WWIII, they will kill lefties like you first.
Wake up.
Posted by: Robb at July 19, 2006 11:00 PM (l1sR8)
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Where to start...I'll again ignore the stereo-typing...
jtb - I never blamed "Angry White Men" for anything. I agree with GWB on quite a few things. I think you are violently agreeing with me. I said that establishing Israel was Euro-centric (in essence to "give back" what the europeans gave). If it had been American-centric, we would have established Israel probably on an island in the South Pacific (similiarly to how we herded Native Americans on to reservations sometimes thousands of miles from their native lands). Again, I was just pointing out the hyprocracy of the argument, "they had it first so they should get it back" WRT our own history of land aquisition. I never said that nations don't have the right to defend themselves. I said in the beginning that Cohen was wrong that Israel should hunker down.
Robb - So violence in the ME would cease if the terrorists laid down their arms? I'm sure the Kurds, Shite and Sunni's (among others) would disagree with you. Again, I never said Israel should lay down its arms. As far as Christian reformation goes, I'd say the jury is still out. The majority of all the (major) wars we fought in this century (WWI/II, Korean, Vietnam, IraqI/II) have had Christian themes (good and bad) embedded in them. The Nazi's were God's choosen race and Jews were the problem, We were fighting the Godless communists in Korea and Vietnam and of course IraqII we are in GWB's words, Doing God's will.
IMO Muslims are fighting back against Western Culture, Democracy being the chief target. GWB's policy that stability will be achieved when Democracy is everywhere is what alot of people are revolting against. Its basically the perception that their govt is bad, ours is better. Of course our flavor of democracy is the seperation of church and state, where as Islamic govts incorporates the 2 together. Forcing our version of democracy on them is in their mind, attack on their religion as well. Even when democracy is established, it is not bringing the stability promised, thus the term "Arab democracy" has cropped up. Under Islamic law, factions/terrorist organizations were curtailed and not allowed to act out or restricted in what they could do. Under Arab democracy, these factions (Hezbolah, Hamas, etc) have become legitimized and act without fear because the support of the people, not the clergy/religious leaders is all they need to remain in power. I don't disagree that this is a growing problem yet the answer, "kill them all" is more of a bumper sticker slogan than a real solution to the problem.
Posted by: matt a at July 20, 2006 08:39 AM (E+3yy)
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I feel Israel does not have a right to exist at least in terms of an apartheid state. Why should anyone subject themselves to 2nd class citizenship?
Here are some of the Zionist voices of peace and accomodation. And btw, the bulk of my anger is over the fact that support of and influence by Israel is helping destroy my freedoms in the US by the creation of a police state based on the Israeli model. That truly sucks.
And just to get an idea of how insidious the forces trying to hide the truth are, comments as benign as this get blocked or deleted at pro-Zionist sites all the time as they call for the murder of all the Arabs/Muslims who resist (Israpundit, Atlas Shrugs, LA Jewish Journal Forum, etc, etc, etc...) You'd think if the Zionist felt their argument was that strong, they'd allow it to stand on its own merits. Instead, it's like the Mossad motto, "By deception shall you do war."
For those claiming all the irrational hatred comes from the Arab/Muslim side, look at these gems. Take note especially of the admissions of theft.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
[note: bulk of quotes had to be deleted because of blocking software - wouldn't even allow me to leave the link]
Posted by: LanceThruster at July 20, 2006 01:27 PM (/GJkJ)
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Could someone please tell me exactly why Zionism has the right to exist in Israel? Why is Israel considered a "Jewish" state when Zionism is "secular?" And why is it that if it is said that "Israel" should have never existed, why is that considered anti Jewish rather than anti Zionist?
I wish to understand.
Ras X
Posted by: Ras X at July 20, 2006 02:57 PM (qVT5c)
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Well,if we're going to have "dumb argument day" I'll give you an answer and go one better, Ras X.
You ask why the Jews have a special right to exist in Israel. They don't!
But they have a far better claim to Israel than Muslims have a claim Saudi Arabia. The simple fact is, Jews existed in Saudi Arabia long before Mohammed was a twinkle in his daddy's eye.
So, are you up for a trade?
Or are you just genocidal?
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 20, 2006 03:08 PM (g5Nba)
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C-Yankee - So that makes it OK for the Israelis to steal Palestine because they could have stolen back Saudi Arabia if they wanted? Talk about a "dumb" argument.
And merely inhabiting the region is a far cry from displacing the inhabitants and creating an apartheid state. It is in no way a democracy as claimed because by definition, the two-tiered status negates any sort of popular voice. Separate but unequal is just more colonial BS that civilized countries tried to move away from. It appears Jewish Israelis are too afraid to live as good neighbors by actually BEING good neighbors. I think it speaks of a larger cultural character flaw.
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July 17, 2006
Politics Central Goes Beta
Just in case you haven't seen it yet,
Pajamas Media has a beta version of a new sister site up called
Politics Central that bears watching. We're shooting for a post-Labor Day launch (no exact date set), and I think that I'll personally be most interested in the
Media Central and
X21Central subsites.
Check it out, and let the design team know what you think.
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since the undecideds tend to decide late and comprise the flow which puts a candiate/policy over the tipping point i suggest pjm call x21 central...
"tipping points memo"
Posted by: reliapundit at July 17, 2006 05:52 PM (8YpFX)
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Language Barriers
In a moment of candor during the supposedly private G8 luncheon, President Bush was
caught on an open mike discussing Hezbollah's recent attacks against Israel to British Prime Minster Tony Blair:
"See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s--- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll.
It is a probably valid assessment of the situation, but the liberals at Firedoglake actually have the temerity to snip at the President for his choice of words.
Christy Hardin Smith huffed:
It seems that the President of the United States needs a visit from Emily Post.
While munching on a roll, George Bush had a conversation with Tony Blair about Hizbollah cutting out their "shit." So much for that born-again veneerÂ…this deciderating and Presidenting is hard work. (And the fact that the curtain gets lifted from the "moral majority" act for public consumption is just a side bonus, I suppose, since neither Bush nor Blair knew the microphone was on. And we continue now in the "do as I say, not as I do" AdministrationÂ…)
I'm sorry, but did Christy Smith forget which web site she writes for?
Firedoglake is riddled with profanity (most of it from the denizens that comment there, some from the authors), and in the comments to this very post, Christy had to edit out an apparent threat made about poisoning the President's food.
To hear a poster at Firedoglake lecture about profanity is to hear Kennedy lecturing us about sobriety. Quite frankly, you don't know whether to be embarrassed for them, or of them.
Christians curse sometimes, Christy. Even ministers. Even Presidents. That you feign surprise at that, to score some petty points among your sycophants, is perhaps not all that surprising (low hanging fruits, and all), but don't expect anyone outside of your clique to think you are very clever for doing so.
The President of the United States said shit because Hezbollah terrorists—supported and supplied by Syria and Iran—are firing rocket after rocket at Israeli cities in order to kill Israeli civilians. This is something that is—interestingly enough—not profane enough for her to find the words to condemn Hezbollah for in this post.
And she thinks President Bush has the language problem...
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Maybe Christy is a fan of Ann Coulter and the commenter referenced the Justice Stevens thing.
Posted by: Tom in Texas at July 17, 2006 02:05 PM (cHPNp)
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"The President of the United States said shit because Hezbollah terrorists—supported and supplied by Syria and Iran"
Evidence? Any number of Islamic nations would be inclined to support Hezzbollah. The fact that Israel says so makes this less believable, if anything. Next we'll be hearing from Judith Miller,whom you were happy to believe, even though she was in the New York Times.
Keep your eyes on the numbers. Who is dying where.
Posted by: skip at July 17, 2006 02:13 PM (Vjt2I)
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This is something that is—interestingly enough—not profane enough for her to find the words to condemn Hezbollah for in this post.
You've laid your finger directly on the sore in the lefty soul.
Tob
Posted by: toby928 at July 17, 2006 02:16 PM (PD1tk)
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It seems that the President of the United States needs a visit from Emily Post.
I found it refreshing.
I would find it even more refreshing if say Condi were to have a sitdown with Bashir, whip out a .45, aim it at his forehead and demand he stop the shit within the next 30 seconds or get his head blown off. Sort of "Chicago Rules" for politics.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 17, 2006 04:01 PM (26Aj9)
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Now there's grounds for impeachment, he said shit instead of poopoo!
Ho hum, wake me up when he's getting a blowjob in the Oval Office as he's talking to a congressman then gets on TV and points his finger in my face and tells me he didn't have sex with that woman Ms. Lewinski.
If its shit you want, think of Clinton.
Posted by: Shooter at July 17, 2006 04:23 PM (dZB5O)
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Oh...poor little skippy got his nose out of joint. LOL. Hey Skippy - Maybe once in a while you could read up on something before you speak. Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran. Just look at like the last 20 YEARS OF HISTORY OF THE GROUP. What a maroon.
A while back I blogged about the Rules of Disinformation at my site. But, with more thought I have narrowed the rules down to the following three with regards to leftist bloggers:
1. When confronted by a fact, a lefty will change the subject. They will come up with the most absurd changes in direction to not have to answer someone who actually presents facts.
2. If a lefty is confronted with facts again, they will quickly start using swear words and vulgarity. This is an attempt to again deflect the direction of the conversation when the lefty canÂ’t refute the facts.
3. Finally, if you are a lefty site owner, simply ban a commenter that continues to push for real answers. Ala Marc Ash. If you can’t beat ‘em, ban ‘em.
Watch. You will see this over and over again. Now CY runs a pretty clean site and I appreciate that. He however, does warn vulgar posters before he bans them. I will also add the caveat that there are
some from the right side of the fence that follow this behavior, but we don't see that often. To get a feel for it, spend an hour reading main posts and comments at DU, KOS, FDL and then spend another hour at CY, JOM, well...take your pick for the right. You will clearly see a difference.
CY - I found it funny that there were comments about "frisching" the President's food. LOL.
Posted by: Specter at July 17, 2006 05:30 PM (ybfXM)
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CY, I am going to have to call Bull, yes I said shit, on you for saying.....
"to score some petty points among your sycophants, is perhaps not all that surprising (low hanging fruits, and all), but don't expect anyone outside of your clique to think you are very clever for doing so"
The pot calling the kettle black.
Posted by: Johnny at July 17, 2006 06:16 PM (Vtwo9)
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I'm going to say this once, and once only: the next person uttering profanity on my site gets tossed. Banned. Gone.
Clear enough?
And Johnny, as ever, you are behind the curve and hopelessly outnumbered. Even noted Lefty Ezra Klein is ashamed of the grandstanding over making Bush's language an issue.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 17, 2006 09:39 PM (psJM2)
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Just to pick a nit here: it's not a curse; that'd be 'may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits'. It's not profane; that'd be a crucifix in a jar of urine. It's a vulgarity; that'd be coming onto someone's blog and doing what you'd been asked not to do, as in rude.
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Israel Must Escalate
Writing in
Haaretz, Ze'ev Schiff makes what I think is a pretty good analysis when he says the Israel-Hezbollah War has not reached its peak:
The fighting between Israel and the Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran, has still not reached its zenith. The Israel Defense Forces' operational plans against the Shi'ite organizations have not yet been carried out. The next two days are the most critical and a lot depends on whether Tehran decides to take a chance and authorize Hezbollah to launch long-range missiles with more powerful warheads. This is a capability Hezbollah still retains, despite the heavy blows it has suffered in the IDF air strikes.
On Sunday, Israel bore witness to the use of more powerful rockets against Haifa, which killed eight people and injured dozens more. The Syrian-made 220 mm rocket has a warhead weighing more than 50 kilograms. Hezbollah was supplied with these rockets as the Syrian armed forces were receiving them off the production lines. The decision to give Hezbollah the rockets was made when it was concluded that the group would be considered part of the Syrian army's overall emergency preparedness.
The risk to Iran is not military, but rather that Hezbollah would suffer such damage that it would no longer be counted as the sole external element of Iran's Islamic Revolution. It is difficult to assess what the Iranian leadership will decide. If it does opt for aggravating the situation, it will certainly encourage the Syrians to become involved in the confrontation, but all indications suggest that Damascus is not eager to get dragged into war.
Israel is also not interested in a third front, so long as Syria does not intervene in the fighting on the side of Hezbollah.
As the Counterterrorism Blog also noted, Hezbollah also has used the Iranian made and supplied 333 mm Raad missile. A Chinese-designed weapon the Raad is based upon the Silkworm, and can carry a 1100 lb warhead of conventional, chemical or nuclear design. It is not to be confused with the Iranian ATGM (antitank guided missile) of the same name that the Hezbollah may also try to use against Israeli Merkava tanks.
Israel is fighting Iran and Syria in the most thinly veiled proxy war of this young century, and Israel must decimate Hezbollah's rocket program if it is to survive.
More than six months ago analysts were predicting that apocalyptic sect running Iran may be trying to create an End Times conflagration to mesh with their 12th Imam eschatology. Much of the analysis and -speculation I've read since then has focused on the threat of long-range nuclear missiles fired from Iran, but it becomes increasingly more clear on a daily basis that Iranian forces and the most advanced Iranian weaponry are being deployed with Hezbollah on Israel's doorstep.
The nuclear deterrence theory of MAD (mutual assured destruction) was predicated upon the thought that bot sides would be able to get nuclear weapons airborne in the event of an attack, assuring both sides would suffer catastrophic losses. This theory was already turned on its head by those who theorize that the Iranian leadership is hoping precisely for that sort of exchange to bring about their hoped for End of Days.
But an Iran that has nuclear-capable missiles in southern Lebanon is another matter entirely, as it is an entirely more practical and worldly extension of Iran's hatred for Israel.
A well-timed and executed Iranian nuclear weapon first strike could easily be disguised as just another conventional Raad rocket attack like the ones that have already been fired on Israeli cities. Iran could conceivably and rather easily hide a crippling nuclear first strike in a barrage of Hezbollah missiles, incinerating the majority of the country before Israel even suspected it was under a nuclear attack.
For these reasons, Israel must not only beat Hezbollah back and rearrange another stalemate, it must continue on until Hezbollah in Lebanon is destroyed. To not follow through is to endanger the very existence of the nation, and to potentially invite an Iranian nuclear attack.
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Confed, my friend, I think you've gone just a tad bit overboard about a potential Iranian nuclear first-strike capability in southern Lebanon.
First, let us examine the missles we know Hizbolla has (from
strategypage and other googled sources):
-B12: 107mm diameter, 838mm long. Weighs 19 kilograms (42 lbs), has a 1.4kg (3 lb) warhead, and 6,000m range.
-BM21: 122mm diameter, 2.74m long. Weighs 68kg (150 lbs), has a 20kg (45 lb) warhead, and 20km range.
-Fadjr-3: 240mm diameter (about 9.5"), weighs 407kg (900 lbs), 90kg (198 lbs) warhead, and 43km range.
-Fadjr-5: 333mm diameter (about 13.11"), weighs 915kg (2017 lbs), also has a 90kg warhead, and 75km range.
What should jump out at you? The biggest rocket above only carries a 90kg warhead! Just under 200 pounds for us Merkans.
Now let's consider nuclear weapons. I don't think anyone is claiming that Iran has nukes
right now, so it's fair to say they're still trying. Then let us consider the first US nuclear devices weight; "Fat Man" weighed in a 10,000 pounds, and "Little Boy" around 9,000. Let's be very, very generous and assume that Iran can manufacture their first-generation nuke twice as efficiently as those, so it only weighs half as much. Call it 4,500 pounds.
How many countries in the region even have a missle which can throw that much? Note that the original Atlas ICBM carried a single 5500-pound warhead, for reference.
But -someone interjects- what if Iran developed small, 2000-lb nuke? They could put that in a SCUD. Aha!, they cry!
Well, that's theoretically possible. But let's note something else; all the rockets mentioned above which Hizbolla actually has are all have
solid-fuel engines. And they're all (relatively small) compared even to a SCUD.
The original SCUD missle was literally a remake of the German V-2 (A-4) rocket. It's about 11.25 meters long, and .88m in diameter. It is obviously much larger than anything known to be in the Hizbolla armory. Both the A-4 and the typical SCUD can carry a 2,000-lb warhead. As you can see by the dimensions, a SCUD would physically stand out like the proverbial sore thumb.
Add to that the fact that any missle which could carry a Persian-built nuke warhead would of necessity be liquid-fueled, unless they've managed to steal a Minuteman III or a Trident. I really don't see how Hizbolla could smuggle in missles which are literally twice the size of the Fadjr (much less the katushyas), and need liquid-fuel maintainence to boot. To really put a cap on things, the SCUDs use hypergolic fuels, which are an absolute bitch to handle. The facilities required for either hypergolic or LOX/other fuels would also be obvious indicators.
So even a 2,000-lb nuke (which I maintain is beyond anything the Persians do for a long time) would require a missle with literally
10 times the throw weight of the biggest Fadjer Hizbolla has. (2,000 lbs vs. 200 lbs). It would require liquid fuels, which would require liquid-fuel storage and handling.
All of these things are much harder to conceal than the smaller solid-fuel missles Hizbolla is known to have.
So I have to ask: how to do expect Hizbolla/Iran to accomplish this?
I'm just askin'...
Posted by: Casey Tompkins at July 18, 2006 11:14 PM (xdVg/)
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Casey, we were making 50-pound W-54 nukes
44 years ago, and the soviets claim to have had similar weapons, so call-ed "backpack nukes."
I find quite technically possible that with guidance and possibly materials from both the A.O Khan network and North Korea, that Iraq could be in posession of something that would fit well within the payload profile of both the Fadjr-3 and Fadjr-5.
The Soviet FROG-7, which most nearly matches the Fadjr-5's weight and payload, was typically used for nucelar weapons.
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Point taken.
Still, let us note that was after 18 years of massive US R&D. AFAIK both the Norks and the Persians are still at 1945. 1952, or -54, tops.
While the FROG-7
is solid-fueled, I must again point out that it was developed 20 years after the first nukes.
Let us review:
-first you have to develop the ability to build a nuke. One that predictably goes "boom."
-then you have to shrink that puppy to 50 or 60 kilos (objectively a 20-year process).
-finally you have to mate a warhead to a missle. In this case, the warhead has to be small enough and robust enough to fit on a FROG-7 and/or Fadjr-5 missle.
For all I know, weapons engineering has advanced to the point where they do all the scut-work in simulations, as they do with cars and commercial jets.
But I doubt it.
From what I've picked up, here and there, even the Bolshies had some nuke designs which were less than reliable. On the other hand, if
we developed a couple of dud designs, I wouldn't doubt they'd go into the "HIGHLY CLASSIFIED, NEVER DE-CLASSIFY" cabinet as well.
I don't think you're wrong. Let's just say you're five years ahead of the news cycle...
Either way, let's all buy the IDF lots and lots of pizza. They're earning it.
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July 15, 2006
"All the Troops That Are Fit To Kill"
A terrorist sniper is trying to kill U.S. soldiers, and the New York Times is literally right their with them.
Taking pictures.
Probably spotting.
But don't question their patriotism.
(h/t Protein Wisdom)
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Something is VERY ODD about that pic.
The guy is trying to shoot that Dragunov left handed (no the image hasn't been mirror imaged, the scope mount is as shown). I own a Dragunov exactly like that one, and shooting it left handed with the factory scope mounted is a massive PITA. It something (being left handed), I learned not to do real quick.
Also, aren't most arabs right handed due to various social taboos?
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 16, 2006 12:03 AM (Eecsz)
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I wouldn't put too much stock in the NYT guy spotting for the Arab. We all know the NYT would sooner hire Deb Frisch than hire a veteran.
Posted by: James at July 16, 2006 12:05 AM (tJoRF)
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I wish we had a president with the balls of Lincoln. He'd have put the entire staff of the NYT in prison for the duration of the war. This is just another example of the sedition practiced by the NYT. Its also another example of just who todays liberals support.
Posted by: lip at July 16, 2006 11:52 AM (EJHD4)
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This action deserves a whole bunch of questions.
Mine at
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What exactly defines courage in this example Mizz McNally?
You freely disregard the lives of your own country's servicemen for the sake of publishing a good picture, but would you vilify them if they defended themselves and accidentally killed the human embodiment of your disregard? Just something I'd like to know....
Posted by: Chuck at July 16, 2006 12:45 PM (Q5x3x)
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Ahh...Purple Avenger is left handed. His brain works backwards. That makes sense.
Next article please.
Posted by: Johnny at July 16, 2006 04:52 PM (Vtwo9)
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So John-boy,
What is so "correct" or "right" about the picture and the article? Do you think the NYT did the right thing? Is it OK for an american based company to watch and make news and heroes out of an enemy that is bent on killing US soldiers? What do you think? I think you are now beyond ever saying again that you support out troops. Why don't you join Mother Sheehan and Code Pink and send those "freedom fighters" some money? Pathetic.
Posted by: Specter at July 16, 2006 05:22 PM (ybfXM)
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Bill Clinton, Ruth Bader Ginsberg, and Fidel Castro are left handed too.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 16, 2006 05:23 PM (Eecsz)
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Wait!! My daughers a leftie!! Please tell me this isn't genetic.
Posted by: lip at July 16, 2006 06:49 PM (EJHD4)
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In all seriousness, I haven't verified the authenticity of the photo and was making a joke, at the Purple Avengers expense. I apologize PA.
In these times, when all is a train wreck, it isn't really time to make any jokes.
As I've stated several times though...I challenge right wing nuts to talk about fact and policy, instead of taking pot shots at radical liberals, then associating the few with many. This is a dead horse, and CY obviously does not want to do engage in serious articles, not lately anyways. I love O'Reilly and The Factor, but I am sad to see he is going to his old formula as well, talking about judges and professors. What can I say? When you have no leg to stand on...you have to talk about that sh#t. As Paul S. Otellini (Intel CEO), once said..."It's easy to get caught up into the he said, she said...Focus on results". We need new leadership who will serve our country instead of themselves.
I can honestly and truely say I didn't support the war in Iraq from day one like many, so I think I can stand ground to criticize the war, more so than others who are now against it now that being against the war is popular. Note...I said the war in "Iraq".
We should be hunting Osama and securing our borders, but I've already discussed that topic.
Though I don't put a lot of stock in Ted Kennedy, as I view him as a radical. I would have to agree with him when he said Iraq will be Bush's Vietnam. That kid is going to have a lot to answer for, when his day comes.
The clock is ticking, and 'ole silver spoon will be a lame duck in a couple more months. It's bad to say that I hope our President becomes a lame duck, but in his case...It is just better than he can't touch or do anything. He's got the Midas touch. Everthing he touches turns to sh#t. Every business he ever ran went belly up. What did you expect he'd do to our government? When all is handed to you, you don't know how to handle money and business affairs. Everything has been spent, used, extended, with nothing to spare. What a waste of resources.
Give me a poor smart kid from the trenches anyday, and he'll bury guys like Bush. A self made man is whom I'd like to take the presidential post. Hopefully we will get somebody to fit that bill, for everyone's sake.
Posted by: Johnny at July 16, 2006 07:22 PM (Vtwo9)
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Much like Vietnam our men and women are being stabbed in the back by the democrats who support our enemies. It looks like Johnnie is following the same playbook. Any bets Johnnie is a closet socialist?
Posted by: lip at July 16, 2006 07:27 PM (EJHD4)
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In these times, when all is a train wreck, it isn't really time to make any jokes.
Bill Mauldin made a distinguished career of finding humor in disaster. You probably don't even know who he is though...
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 16, 2006 09:50 PM (Eecsz)
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Nice Try Johnny. We have already seen your colors. You belong with the far left. Sorry. There are good Democrats - middle of the road people. But you are not one of them. You did not say that the NYT should not be publishing, let alone supporting the extremists in Iraq. You obviously thought that was just okey-dokey. Words don't mean much when you sling them around without any real thought behind them. Quick - call Code Pink. Maybe you can join them for the next anti-war rally outside the VA hospital near you.
Posted by: Specter at July 16, 2006 10:12 PM (ybfXM)
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Hey Johnny, it would not be so funny to you if you were at the recieving end of that Dragunov sniper rifle. There is nothing humorous about that. The NYT and group are a Leftist Rag that is more concerned about selling papers than winning a war.
Posted by: Faithful Patriot at July 17, 2006 06:28 AM (nFSnk)
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This pix is a pure pose. Everything about what this "sniper" is doing is wrong. I won't bother to detail all of the problems, but suffice it to say they are numerous.
Further, this sniper/poser is referred to as a member of the Mahdi Army - there is no such thing. There is a rag tag group of idiots and slum dwellers who follow around the fat f Mookie al Sadr, but they are a militia, and more accurately, a bunch of useless idiots.
I only wish this was accurate - Coalition forces wd have taken him, the photographer and half of the bdlg down if this were in fact something other then it is: Terrorist propaganda disseminated by the NYT.
Posted by: h at July 17, 2006 06:43 AM (i+f4i)
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Further, this sniper/poser is referred to as a member of the Mahdi Army - there is no such thing.
Tell that to Casey Sheehan and the other coalition soldiers they have killed.
Never underestimate a militia. You seem to forget that another "made-up" army that primarily comprised of militiamen once beat the most powerful nation on earth at that time, and you are Americans because of it.
The Madhi Army isn't very good and will always lose set-piece battles against traditional units, but a bullet from one of their rifles is no less deadly than one from one of ours.
As for those of you cracking on the sniper's poise and pose for various reasons...
Their are no specialized requirements to being a Madhi Army sniper, other than having been born in a certain area, being loyal to a certain cleric, and then being able to find a rifle to put rounds downrange, so lets drop all the "this can't be real because he's doing 'X' wrong" talk.
He is likely not a formally-trained sniper, so trying to compare him to one is completely irrelevant. I have seen people fire both rifles and pistols with unconventional poses and put rounds on target with astonishing accuracy, including pictures ad demonstrations of teh techniques of long-range target shooters from the 1800s who fired while laying on their backs with the barrel running alongside their foot.
As for what would have happened if the U.S. had targetted this building at this time... well, I think that is probably the reason so many journalists have died in this war.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 17, 2006 07:46 AM (g5Nba)
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True a bullet will kill if it comes from a trained sniper or not. However if this fine specimin of iraqi terrorists is in the act of firing his weapon he wont be a sniper long.
Posted by: lip at July 17, 2006 08:35 AM (EJHD4)
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I am in Iraq working for one of the services as a "security guy"...I have to agree with CY on this one...this guy most likely is shooting at US troops...the TOOL from NYT calls him a sniper and now you are arguing over symantics.
Bottom line is the idiots over at NYT are liberal fanatics selling newspapers to other fanatics...but unfortunatley we have to let them do that because we are Americans and that is their right to do so...
As for the TOOL that took this photo...Jaoa Silva...what can you say about a guy that will sit by an watch a TERRORIST gun down your fellow countrymen...wait until you need help from one of these troop out here...oh wait a minute.. luckily for you he or she will save your sorry ass anyway because they are a Marine, Soldier, Sailor or Airmen with HONOR and REAL courage.
I actually SUPPORT our troops its my job...and I quit a great job to come over here to do this. I didn't do it for money or to get my name in the paper...I did it because I was watching kids half my age (both Iraqi and American) being buthered over here everyday and wanted to do something to help the situation. I talk with soldiers and Iraqi's everyday...these people over here want our help, the troops here are doing a great job and that is what needs to be recognized, not some self gratifying liberal potsmoker with a kodak....Mmmumbles
Posted by: Mmmumbles at July 17, 2006 09:04 AM (Lb175)
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I am in Iraq right now as well, working in Mookie Al Sadr's stronghold, southern Iraq. That being said, I do not believe that this clown is actually sighting in on coalition forces and if in fact he was doing so, he would probably be spotted prior to shooting and be taken out - this pix is a posed shot, no question.
However, I asked my security manager, a former Brit SAS Sniper Instructor what he thought and he too said this is BS.
Now can even a clown like this take out a coalition soldier? Of course - however, what is disturbing to me about this pix is not what it might convey, but the pure propaganda aspect of it and the wonderment expressed by the NYT over the bravery of their photog.
Posted by: h at July 17, 2006 09:58 AM (i+f4i)
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h, What difference does it make if the guy does not know the "proper way" to kill someone! Follow along, 1. Is he in posession of a Dragunov rifle?
2. Is he pointing it down range?
You guys need to learn something here. It doesn't take a certified S.A.S. approved sniper to pull the trigger. No matter how inadequate his posture is the effect is still the same. Instead of the photographer walking out and and reporting it to the military he lets the guy pull off rounds at our troops. If I was in the area and had witnessed this the NYT would be short one photographer.
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The bellicose posturing here only further cements the fact that the right-wing has no idea how to fight a guerilla war. In a war like this you need as much information as you can, any way you can get it. It's why the media talk to everyone in a war, and they don't just print Soviet-style propaganda that parrots whatever the top Generals say. To get information you need access, and you can't get access if you don't present yourself as a neutral observor, at least temporarily. I know it's a difficult concept, a gray moral area. But that gray is the definition of guerilla war, and it's not something black and white right-wingers do well.
And Soviet-style is the right word here, since Russian war journalists kept separate journals for what was actually going on in the war, while they stuff they printed was full or patriotic glory. You can still have that option in America: just watch Fox News if you want to see the sugar-coated war. But the rest of us, including our soldiers, would prefer to have as much information on the enemy as possible.
Posted by: Nate at July 17, 2006 12:06 PM (UlkGh)
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OK maybe this is going over your head: The point is while this guy can no doubt kill a coalition soldier with this or any other rifle this appears to me to be solely a posed shot - that is my point. If he was pointing down field at soldiers he would already be dead - do you think our soldiers would not notice a freaking sniper rifle sticking out of a window in broad day light??
F'ing A.
Posted by: h at July 17, 2006 12:46 PM (Gz3Hv)
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First, it is not merely s matter of semantics. The word sniper (often used mistakenly in place of sharpshooter) has specific meaning. I can cut your chest open, split your ribs and work on your heart - does that make me a cardiac surgeon? And just for the education of those who are unlearned in the art of accurate marksmenship - no way in hell can anyone accurately shoot a rifle while the BARRELL is resting upon a hard surface. He is a poseur. The Mahdi wackos get a good photo without risking a real fighter.
Posted by: Jim at July 17, 2006 02:03 PM (YwdKL)
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Jim, I hate to pick on you, but there are stances specifically that call for the barrel being rested against a hard surface, be it using a barrel-mounted bipod (not uncommon), monopods or shooting sticks (the former on certain WWII-era Japanese combat rifles, the later common today in western and mountian regions by big game hunters) or pistoleers and classical long-range rifle shooters using the Creedmoore position, where the berrel is braced against the leg.
The position and cover used by this Madhi insurgent is not of a top-flight, classically trained sniper, but then, these aren't real soldiers. These are street thugs from a Baghdad slum. If you saw a picture of a L.A. gangbanger about to fire a sniper rifle from this position, who you question the authenticity of the shooter?
Stupid and ineffective doesn't mean inauthentic, and it might just explain why our recent raids against them have been so one-sided.
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I'd also like to point out the irony here: you guys wouldn't be able analyze and assess the potency of an insurgency figher, like you are doing at present, were it not for the courage of a NY Times reporter to embed with them. Where else are you going to get a photo like this in the middle of a battle?
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I'd also like to point out the irony here: you guys wouldn't be able analyze and assess the potency of an insurgency figher, like you are doing at present, were it not for the courage of a NY Times reporter to embed with them. Where else are you going to get a photo like this in the middle of a battle?
The same place I've picked up a substantial portion of what I've seen: in insurgent video that they took, and that our troops subsequently recovered from their bodies.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 17, 2006 03:50 PM (g5Nba)
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Fair enough, but that doesn't dent my overall point. For instance, would you rather Michael Ware of Time magazine not have spent time with insurgents, getting them on video (in masks, of course) discussing their views and motivations for why they do what they do? How does this increased knowledge of the enemy hurt us?
Posted by: Nate at July 17, 2006 04:04 PM (UlkGh)
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I hope this *gentleman* keep doing this: sticking the barrel out the window, exposed in broad daylight, unsteady firing stance. Makes a poster child at having a short carrer as a sniper.
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Frisch Fries
The nutty professor just won't stop... but if I don't miss my guess,
she's about to:
Guess Deb isn't quite done milking her 15 minutes.
This time, however, I've contacted the authorities.
Presumably, the responsible authorities here happen to reside at 1961 Stout Street, Suite 1823 in Denver.
The Left has a long and storied history in America of creating homicidally-minded psychopaths.
As I noted on another (now defunct) blog over a year ago and chronicled for posterity here:
As a matter of fact, the majority of political assassinations in America have come from the left or other variations of the mentally ill (as you will see below, many are both, liberalism and mental illness apparently run hand-in-hand), with the exception of RFK, who was killed by a long-standing lefty friend, the Jew-hating Muslim, in this instance Sirhan Sirhan.
The list goes on: John Wilkes Booth was a cross between Robert Byrd and Alec Baldwin, Charles J. Guiteau was a John Edwards-type lawyer who was told by the great beyond (perhaps channelling?) to murder President Garfield, Leon F. Czolgosz, who shot William McKinley was a lefty anarchist. Guiseppe Zangara who tried to kill FDR was a whacked-out anti-capitalist, and we all know Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist sympathizer.
Wannabe white Black Panther Sam Byck got himself killed trying to take out Nixon, and a year later, loonie lefty cultist Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme tried to take out President Ford, who was the target of lefty counterculture loser Sarah Jane Moore just 17 days later.
The evidence is pretty convincing Sara, that if there is a political assassination attempt in America, that either the left or the mentally ill are behind it (I'm not sure I see the distinction between the two, but some do).
One of those discussed in that post was Andrew Mickel, another liberal assassin who was an Indymedia contributor and an Evergreen State College student, who murdered a cop. Why?
"Hello Everyone, my name's Andy. I killed a Police Officer in Red Bluff, California in a motion to bring attention to, and halt, the police-state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country. Now I'm coming forward, to explain that this killing was also an action against corporate irresponsibility."
"...the police-state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country."
"Â…an action against corporate irresponsibility."
Sounds like it was cut out of Michael Moore.com, doesn't it? Or maybe Talk Left, or a Daily Kos diary, or Firedog Lake or many other mainstream liberal sites, with the not-as-mainstream sites such as IndyMedia or the Democratic Underground providing far worse fodder to feed the crazed masses.
Mickel was a Leftist. His parents say he was mentally ill. Again, I question the difference, and wonder why it took Jeff Goldstein so long to turn someone as potentially dangerous as Debbie Frisch over to the responsible authorities.
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I am going to kill all Republicans after I get back from Starbucks, drinking my Grande Latte!
Watch out, for I am another liberal killer!
Ahhhhhaaaahahahaaaaaah!
Please. With all the news happening in the world. You must have something better? How 'bout our deficit at nightmare proportions? How 'bout Bush making a fish of himself in Germany this week? How 'bout our failed foreign policy, leaving the Middle East in a complete mess, and the world at the brink of war? Or Bush's Healthcare plan (oops, nothing to mention there). Jeeeezloweeeeeezzzzz....Something?
Posted by: Johnny at July 14, 2006 07:32 PM (Vtwo9)
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What part of our foreign policy FORCED Hamas and Hezbullah to illegally cross national borders, kill troops of a sovereign nation, kidnap others and then lob missles and mortars at civilian population centers?
The blame rests with Hezbullah and Hamas. Period.
In a way though, you may have a point about some healthcare. Since Bush was elected, there are quite a few more deranged people in this country and it really doesn't look like they're getting the help they really need (Dr. Debbie is one of them).
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
John Wayne - "The Shootist"
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I agree with SouthernRoots - what part of our foreign policy, if any, caused Hamas and Hezbollah to derail this week?
I support Israel whole-heartedly - if someone killed and captured _my_ personnel, and then start throwing missiles at me because I wouldn't kowtow to their demands, I would summon all of my available forces and KICK THEIR ASS.
"Heeeehhh - Give peace a chance. You need to negotiate with them"
Meanwhile - you have a .38 hole in your forehead, they are raping your wife, and your kids will grow up without their mother and father (if they live at all).
GRRRRRRR - grow a pair
Posted by: tim at July 15, 2006 12:10 AM (TfTAE)
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I am going to kill all Republicans after I get back from Starbucks, drinking my Grande Latte!
Someone was shooting into republican campaign offices last election. The unhinged left is pretty unhinged these days.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 15, 2006 06:26 AM (Eecsz)
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Hamas was elected into power democratically, a system we fostered on them, thinking every country should be like us. It is the Arab people's will to to strike down Israel. Arabs and Jews have been fighting since the beginning of time, how arrogant of us to think we will be able to stop it. That desire is only heightened with a U.S. occupation, an occupation for which at least half of our country sees as unjustified. If over half of our country views it unjustified, how many Arabs in the middle east view it as unjustified? You only see A+B. Hammas fired rockets(which was indeed wrong), but it is much more complex than that....Why I even bother to respond to someone how bases their political views on a Hollywood "cowboy" actor is beyond me. Come to think of it..I think the right wingnuts are the ones who go Hollywood...Arnold....Ronald....need I say more?
Posted by: Johnny at July 15, 2006 10:40 AM (Vtwo9)
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Umm, Johnny, they're a fair number of Mexicans that want Texas and Southern California back under the Mexican flag. Following your logic I assume we should hand it over with the keys to all the businesses and home we built there illegally.
Not to mention there's a Hawaiian separatist movement.
Maybe if they'd kidnap a couple of pale faces they'd further their cause too.
At some point in time you have to realize that negotiating with terrorist isn't in
anyone's best interest or sadly maybe you and other hard core liberals won't.
Posted by: phin at July 15, 2006 11:29 AM (9Vcb6)
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ummm Phin...
Those are "Mexicans", and I am speaking for Americans. Your lack of knowledge to make comparisons to foreign policy and end results is no different than the lack of ability to make argumentative comparisons. That was the whole point of my first post (people labeling democrats as killers simply because a wingnut labels a murderer or what have you as a liberal, therefore all liberal thinking people are evil or bad, a common conservative mediaplay. Stupid, but the stupid follow.)
The "American" people will speak in November when they kick you idiots out of office after making everything a train wreck. Your days are numbered, so enjoy it while it lasts.
Posted by: Johnny at July 15, 2006 12:23 PM (Vtwo9)
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Johnny, of course, isn't speaking for any "Americans" save the Leftists he thinks should be running the World. He's a fool and he's obviously oblivious to fact.
You fellows are right on. Nice points made.
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Sounds like Johnny's preference is for Israel to cease to exist. If you are so eager to see them destroyed, at least allow them to defend themselves while being attacked.
The Palestinians wanted their own country and their own government. They got it, albeit based on a democratic format of which you seem to be very disdainful. Israel pulled out of Gaza, including uprooting people that had lived there for 20-30 years. Hamas got themselves voted into power. Hamas (Official Palestinian government) continues bombing Israel. They then do a cross border raid, kill soldiers and kidnap others. An 18 year old civilian captive is murdered. The latest outrage in the failed Helsinki accords.
Hamas sneaks across the Lebanese border, kills 8 soldiers and kidnaps 2 others. During their withdrawl back to Lebanon, they send missles over the border into towns and cities.
Both of these attacks by Islanic terrorist groups was what is termed in international law as an Act of War.
Islamic terrorists hijacked four airliners and used them as bombs to attack our financial, military, and civilian government centers. This was an Act of War - not a criminal offence.
Nations that organize, train, fund, shelter, or in any other way support these terrorists are a clear and present danger to all civilized countries.
If Islamic terrorist organizations want to goad Israel into finally responding to their outrages, heaven help them. I support Israels right to use extreme prejudice in responding to these attacks, just as I fully support our right to do the same.
You belittle words spoken by a Hollywood actor, so here are words from a different actor:
"America and Israel share a special bond. Our relationship is unique among all nations. Like America, Israel is a strong democracy, a symbol of freedom, and an oasis of liberty, a home to the oppressed and persecuted. - William J. Clinton"
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. - William J. Clinton"
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. - William J. Clinton"
Posted by: SouthernRoots at July 15, 2006 02:28 PM (jHBWL)
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Having read all the comments here, so far. I come to realize trolls like Johnny (a nickname for a toilet) need to be flushed. It is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Describe in words, what a potential leftwing nut is, and one appears. It is pointless to respond to cretins like ole Johnny because he thinks it is cleavor to turn your words against you. Mr. J. B. Books would have dealt with the likes of Johnny poste haste.
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at July 15, 2006 02:48 PM (8q6hU)
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Quite the contrary, I'd kick ole J.B. Book's ass. In a movie he was a steady handed gun, cool under fire, but that was in a movie you dimwhit. In reality, He was a fat SOB, so out of shape he couldn't even jog a mile or bench more than 100 pounds. Ok. I can't waste anymore time here. Keep living in dreamland, while I go make some things happen in the "real" world. Buhbye.
Posted by: Johnny at July 15, 2006 03:24 PM (Vtwo9)
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So you figured out that that was a movie, didja? Did you also figure out that the actor in question was minus one lung, already was suffering(unbeknownst to him) from the cancer that would kill him, and was 69 years old? Aside from Jack LaLanne, I don't know too many 70-year-olds who can do what you think they should be able to.
The real dimwit would seem to be you, Johnny. I loathed Tip O'Neal's politics, but it never occured to me to denigrate the old man because he couldn't run up the stairs like I could. Wait 'til you reach 69, Johnny. Let's see how well you move.
Posted by: benning at July 15, 2006 03:57 PM (5tqjb)
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Johnny,
Get help fast. Someone might take you seriously.
As to frisch - she should be put under close psychiatric observation for 24-business-hours. You know - forever.
Posted by: Specter at July 15, 2006 04:45 PM (ybfXM)
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CY, a response to your linked bog post: Hitler, though considered a Rightie by the Libs, Dems, and Lefties, was a National
Socialist, therefore a Leftist. Just not a Leftist of the Pan-Communism stripe. Fascism correctly belongs on the left side of the political spectrum.
Hiya, Specter!
Posted by: benning at July 15, 2006 04:53 PM (5tqjb)
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Hammas fired rockets(which was indeed wrong), but it is much more complex than that...
Now that Hamas is a "state", reasonable people would consider those rocket attacks an act of war.
Even several normally supportive arab states aren't behind them on this one whining only about Israel's proportonality of response -- NOT the validity of said response.
Hamas has jumped the shark - it only goes downhill for them at this point.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 15, 2006 07:04 PM (Eecsz)
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CY, your point that some assasins happen to be liberals means that
all liberals are unbalanced is an over generalization, so much so as to be laughable.
By your logic:
John Wayne Gacy - Conservative, active GOP and NRA. Murdered 33 young boys.
Ted Bundy - Young Republican, employed by the Washington State GOP. Murdered 40 women.
Timothy McVeigh - Right wing conservative involved with numerous hate groups. Murdered 168 people including 19 children.
So, your point was??????
Posted by: David (SNAFU Principle) at July 16, 2006 10:09 AM (PiZgy)
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Benning wrote:
Hitler, though considered a Rightie by the Libs, Dems, and Lefties, was a National Socialist, therefore a Leftist. Just not a Leftist of the Pan-Communism stripe. Fascism correctly belongs on the left side of the political spectrum.
Your ignorance is rather astounding Benning. And, this meme is historical revisionism by right wing crackpots.
"This reveals a painful ignorance of history because the 'socialism' of the Nazis was of a very particular sort: Nazi socialism was, in their minds, a Christian socialism which opposed communism, liberalism, and atheistic Jewish socialism, all of which they considered to be part of the Jewish conspiracy."
"In the Nazis’ conceptual universe, the struggle against Marxism and liberalism was similarly bound up with antisemitism. Those who revered Jesus as the first antisemite often cast him as the first socialist as well. Joseph Goebbels, for whom the “socialism” in National Socialism was of particular importance, was a notable example in this regard. "
“The idea of sacrifice first gained visible shape in Christ. Sacrifice is intrinsic to socialism. ... The Jew, however, does not understand this at all. His socialism consists of sacrificing others for himself. This is what Marxism is like in practice.... The struggle we are now waging today until victory or the bitter end is, in its deepest sense, a struggle between Christ and Marx. Christ: the principle of love. Marx: the principle of hate.”
Haven't you read Mein Kompf?
You go on believing the crap you believe. Ignorance is bliss, right?
Posted by: David (SNAFU Principle) at July 16, 2006 10:28 AM (PiZgy)
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uhhh...that would be "Kampf". Did you read it?
Posted by: Specter at July 16, 2006 10:14 PM (ybfXM)
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David - I think you miss CY's point, in that he is trying to claim that all political assasins are leftists or mentally ill. Right wingers or Serial/mass murderers are not political assasins so they don't apply.
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...into blogging isn't necessarily a
habit, but
Old Soldier is the second
CY regular in olive drab to hang out his own blogging shingle in the past few months (
Ray Robinson was the first).
Please stop over and welcome Old Soldier to his new blogosphere home, now officially open for business.
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At least one strategic operations think tank that reports to the Pentagon thinks that our near-term future may be found
in the Bible:
For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Ezekiel 38:19-23
From Israel to India, nations with the power of the sun teeter on the brink of full engagement in the Fourth World War.
VII Inc. is a strategic planning company that in a January report, "Iranian President Ahmadinejad, Islamic Eschatology, and Near Term Implications," imagined an "Ezekiel 38" scenario in a where Syrian/Iranian missile attacks supported by Russia would rain "great hailstones, fire, and brimstone," upon Israel with such ferocity that Israel was forced into the nuclear response wanted by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Ahmadinejad, VII contends, is attempting to create a war that would be perceived as a major sign of the Mahdaviat, the Second Coming of the 12th Iman. He is, quite literally in a eschatological sense, attempting to bring about Armegeddon, and an Islamic version of the Rapture. Ahmadinejad wants to bring about the end of the world.
As Ahmadinejad said Sept 17, 2005 in front of the United Nations:
Dear Friends and Colleagues, from the beginning of time, humanity has longed for the day when justice, peace, equality and compassion envelop the world. All of us can contribute to the establishment of such a world. When that day comes, the ultimate promise of all Divine religions will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being who is heir to all prophets and pious men. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace.
O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace.
As Iranian forces fire long-range rockets on Israel it seems quite apparent Ahmadinejad is willing to do all he can to hasten that emergence, and begin the end of man.
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We didn't respond when N.Korea launched its missiles - regardless of how lousy they were - and we should have. If Iran makes a single move into this conflict we ought to flatten Tehran. And we should tell them that publicly, now!
We need to warn off Russia, also. It's past time to declare to the world that we stand with Liberty, Freedom, and Civilization. Any that oppose that must be treated as the scum, and Evil enablers, that they are. No more weasel words for the World Press to lap up. Let's tell them Truth for once!
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Culture of Corruption
In November of 2005, I became aware of a non-profit called
Beauchamp Tower Corporation. BTC was focused on a project they called
Operation Enduring Service.
The premise for the program was really quite simple and broken down into several easily understood parts.
Start with mothballed ships that were no longer of use to the Navy.
Convert those of historical significance to floating museums.
Take others in good shape, and turn them into disaster response ships.
The rest—those that had no historical significance or were too worn or obsolete and destined for a scrapyard—would be salvaged to help pay to restore the museum ships worth restoring. Like most truly good ideas, it was simple and direct.
On many occasions on this blog I wrote of the proposed "Salvation Navy," an idea so good it simply had to occur.
How many lives could we have saved in Hurricane Katrina with these ships bringing in food, water, and emergency workers just hours after the storm's landfall? How many lives would be saved in future hurricanes?
In the event of another 9/11-type terrorist attack, how much support could a ship such as this provide to aid in recovery?
This is what Ward Brewer, CEO of Beauchamp Tower envisioned.
But that was before Enduring Service and the "Salvation Navy" it would create ran into the buzzsaw of incompetence, corruption, and criminality that may eventually implicate officials within the U.S Maritime Administration, the Department of Transportation, and other members of the Executive and Legislative branches.
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The Tip of the Iceberg
Let's start with illegal access of Beauchamp's servers by the U.S. Maritime Administration. Most would simply call it hacking, but password theft and false identity use will do as well.
According to documents obtained from Ward Brewer, CEO of Beauchamp Tower Corporation. BTC has a strict User Agreement for their server and web site. The server was used as a medium to provide partners and vendors of the project with internal corporate information—which was and is copyright protected
Item 5 C-F of the User Agreement explicitly states:
c) User agrees that he or she is not an employee of or contracted by the United States Department of Transportation and or the United States department of justice, or any agency within the structure of these departments, such as, but not limited to, the Maritime Administration. user agrees to, acknowledges, and hereby testifies that he or she is not an employee of the afore mentioned agencies.
(d) User agrees to and permits BTIS access to ISP identities, other internet information, and data deemed necessary by BTIS to confirm user identity and verify user is not an employee of the afore mention federal agencies. User also grants the user's internet service provider permission to identify the user's identity to btis for verification that user is not an employee of the afore mentioned federal agencies. BTIS agrees to maintain the privacy of such information, provided user is not an employee of the afore mentioned federal agencies. BTIS reserves the right to deny or terminate, at BTIS's sole discretion, access to this site by any user that BTIS cannot verify user's identity or where user's identity is not known to BTIS.
(e) Any person employed by or contracted by the United States Department of Transportation and or the United States Department of Justice, or any agency within the structure of these departments, is hereby denied any and all access to this website without the expressed written permission of BTIS. Any person employed by or contracted by the afore mentioned agencies that attempts to enter this site will be in violation of state and federal laws, which may include, but not be limited to, laws pertaining to false identity, internet website use, and software user agreements. BTIS reserves the right, at BTIS's sole discretion, to prosecute any violation of this agreement. written agreements may be obtain, at BTIS's sole discretion, by contacting info@btcorp.us and requesting written permission. Written permission to enter this site must be dated after January 30, 2004. Written permission dated prior to this date is not valid.
(f) User understands that he or she may not, and agrees that he or she will not knowingly communicate to any employee of the Department of Justice or Department of Transportation the passcodes to enter this site or disclose the contents of this website with out the express written permission of BTIS.
Brewer states that Maritime Administration officials actively sought the password to access the protected portion of the BT Corp site, and were eventually successful, obtaining it from an accidental posting to a veteran's group web site. Brewer states further:
MARAD officials were told a number of times that they were not allowed on the website, yet they continued to search the Internet to try and find the password every time we changed it. Once they obtained the password (which we were forced to continually change, agency officials electronically signed in under false identities—violating the our End License User Agreement.
And there is indeed proof that Maritime did indeed successfully "hack" into Beauchamp's site no less than 15 times.
What evidence is there? There are server logs, as shown in this screen capture (click to enlarge):
There are the logs of the Maritime Administration's illegal access time and IP addresses, including:
And there is much, much more, which has been turned over to the FBI for investigation, evidence of such obvious weight that agents declared felony charges were “quite possible” when discussing it with Brewer. Of course, once the case went to the US Attorney General's office in Washington for permission to investigate, it has since stalled...
While we've been debating and defending legitimate programs by the NSA and CIA, other elements of the government haven't even attempted to find a legal excuse for their accessing of private information. They've simply broken in.
Of course, the million dollar question is: "Why?"
Why would a federal agency illegally hack into the web server of a not-for-profit organization working in emergency response?? What were they hoping to find, and why were they willing to risk it?
The answer appears to be a simple combination of political corruption and revenge, but that is a story for another post...
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Have you ever been aboard the ships in the NDRF? I have. They were all built before intermodal. The idea of converting them into "disaster response ships" is ludicrous. More likely, the real plan was to sell off the NDRF for scrap, spend a little on a museum for the Glomar Explorer and a little more on a fat shipyard contract to keep some old bulk carriers afloat and available to the MSC, and POCKET THE REST AS PURE PORK FAT.
I have no idea why MARAD might be attacking the information systems of a "non-profit" trying to do that.
Don't get me wrong. Selling off the NDRF for scrap would probably be a good idea. It'd be nice, though, if that dough went back into the Federal treasury, rather than into some boondoggle.
Posted by: s9 at July 13, 2006 10:29 PM (EGxpT)
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Could be that someone in the 'non-profit' agencies made a few million in 'profit'. The red cross did it or tried it after 9-11, so why wouldn't someone else.
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I have no idea why MARAD might be attacking the information systems of a "non-profit" trying to do that.
Q: What is the
primary (though unstated) mission of any bureaucracy (public or private)?
A: To maintain its existence and expand its budget.
BTC threatens their existence and budget. Therefore, BTC is "the enemy".
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 14, 2006 04:37 AM (Uwm0w)
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s9, you'd be real dangerous... if you knew what you were talking about.
The ships to be saved would be for WWII era museums, such as the DD-574 John Rogers that BTC is picking up from Mexico.
Most of the ships would be scrapped, no doubt, but the ships wanted for hurricane duty such as the MARS-class USNS San Diego (T-AFS 6), is in possession of NAVSEA Inactive, and was commissioned in 1969. It only was decommissioned in 1997. Not exactly ancient.
Every dime of the scrapping program would go into maintaining and upgrading ships. There would be no pork, and this would save taxpayers approximately $100 million. The bulk of the hurricane response program would actually be sponsored by corporate donations from the largest of the Fortune 500 companies. This is a largely volunteer effort; BTC si just trying to get the government to donate ships they were overpaying others to take.
The ships would be manned by the U.S. Goast Guard Auxilliary and the Salvation Army, who have committed to the program, and neither organization considers preventing another Katrina-like response nightmare a "boondoggle."
They call it saving lives.
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Purple Avenger, BTW, nails it.
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s9,
You're an idiot and you're comments only show just how ignorant you are on this subject. And as for making money on selling those ships for scrap--the HAZMAT onboard prevents the scrap from being profitable on most of the ships remaining. That's why the government has to PAY scrapyards to take most of the older ships. Things like PCB's and asbestos are very expensive to remove and dispose of.
So, before you open your mouth again and show everyone once more just how uninformed you really are on this subject...take the time to learn the facts and then try to formulate something that could resemble an intelligent statement. You don't know the first thing about what you're talking about.
Geez, CY, where do these fools come from?
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As you've likely heard by now Israel has destroyed the runways at Beirut International Airport as part of a
rapidly-evolving campaign against various Palestinian terrorist organizations. Some reports cited bombs, some rockets, some naval gunfire for the destruction of the runways, but nobody bothered to do a simple Google search to turn up this interesting purpose-built munition, the
BLU-107 Durandal.
According to Wikipedia, it works like this:
Durandal is designed to be dropped from low altitudes. The fall of the bomb is retarded by a parachute. When, due to the parachute action, the bomb is vertical, it fires a rocket booster that accelerates it into the runway surface. The bomb explodes after it has penetrated below the surface. This results in a large and difficult to repair crater in the runway.
Israel has used it to great effect before.
A predecessor to Durandal was developed jointly by France and Israel during the 1960s to destroy air base runways. The weapon was used to devastating effect by the Israelis during the Six Day War.
One of these days, the Arab nations surrounding Israel are going to realize that they are still militarily no match for the IDF. As the situation in Lebanon continues to escalate and Syria becomes a more likely target, they might find out sooner rather than later.
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I'm disappointed to see that Iran did not wake up yet to find it's Navy sunk, it's Jet Fighters rendered junk, It's Missile Batteries replaced by craters, it's Military Bases flattened, and a Fleet of foreign Naval Vessels waiting to greet its Oil Tankers at the strait of Hormuz.
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Yeah, we do have very covert
options we seem oddly reluctant to take! Why the wait? When the bad guys come at you or your friends, you take them out!
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July 12, 2006
Lord of the Dunce
Poor Glenn Greenwald.
He tries hard. He really, really does. But no matter how he tries to rationalize it, hyperbole against public figures does not come close to equating to terroristic threats uttered against children.
Nevertheless, Greenwald, tries to make that exact case in this post, attempting to equivilate comments made by Misha of the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler with those made in the past week by Counterpunch-published liberal academic Deborah Frisch.
Gleenwald offers up this quote from Misha as evidence of equivalence as Misha talks about the Hamdan decision granting Geneva Convention rights to terrorists after the release of an al Qaeda video showing the bodies of two American soldiers captured, tortured, and murdered by terrorists:
Of course, this is the same Supreme Court that earlier decided in Kelo that private property rights only matter as long as a private company doesn't offer a better deal, above or below the table, to local authorities, so one shouldn't really be surprised. The unelected, black-robed tyrants have a long history of not giving a fig about the Constitution if they don't like what it says, not to mention a long tradition of usurping the powers of the legislative and executive branch by ruling by judicial fiat. . . .
Try doing anything to those mutilating darlings of the Supremes in order to extract life-saving intel from them, and then wait for the Supreme Whores to decide that you were "humiliating" them in doing so.
Five ropes, five robes, five trees.
Some assembly required.
Greenwald misrepresents the quoted section, as Greenwald bolded this text, not Misha, adding emphasis that was not there in the original. In his commentary immediately following, Greenwald goes on to state:
He's advocating that the five Supreme Court Justices in the Hamdan majority be hanged from the neck until they're dead. His homicidal formulation is a play on the more standard call of the Right for American journalists to be hanged -- "Journalists. Rope. Tree. Some assembly required" -- another death call which, it just so happens, Misha also issued just a few days ago.
Now, does Greenwald, in his wildest delusion, seriously think that Misha is advocating for the lynching of Supreme Court justices and journalists? What would a reasonable person determine? A reasonable person—which I've given up on Greenwald attempting to be—would realize that Misha has a long-running infatuation with the rhetorical device known as hyperbole.
Most adults understand that hyperbole is the deliberate overstatement or exaggeration, and yet, Greenwald exposes himself as the Amelia Bedelia of the American Left, unable to understand that Misha's use of language is anything but literal.
That is the only rational explanation for this graph:
What happened? They all seemed to find such disturbing rhetoric so upsetting, such cause for great alarm this weekend, when it came from an obscure person in some comment section, but they have not said a word of condemnation about these death calls from a prominent blogger on the Right. Nor have any of them condemned the calls by Misha's readers for Islamic countries to be turned into radioactive parking lots or for the death of the towel heads by other means. Why not?
Greenwald cannot differentiate between Misha's hyperbole, and Deb Frisch's physical and sexual threats made against a minor. How sad.
I'd tell him to take a long walk off a short pier, but I don't know that the poor man would survive the rhetorical drop.
Note:via Instapundit, Dan Riehl wasn't quite as pleasant in his criticism.
Update: It becomes even harder to take Greenwald seriously. He's written a follow-up post to the one discussed above where he flatly lies about things written by conservative bloggers. Patrick Frey demands a retraction, but I don't think he's going to get one. Greenwald doesn't seem to have that much integrity. I flatly called Greenwald a liar in his comments, and when I checked hours later, he had no response. I'll let that stand on its own. Notice I didn't link to Greenwald again. I got the memo from Rove, and I concur. He really isn't worth it anymore, even if he is a willing patsy.
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Let me go on record and say that Greenwald did NOT threaten to molest or kill any small children. Give him that much credit.
Though doing so is a "mainstream" opinion and a valid way to "discuss" or "debate" an issue.
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Translation: when a conservative does it, it's totally hyperbole and not even worth condemning.
Thanks, guys; I think I understand this morality thing now.
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"My friends, each of you is a single cell in the great body of the State. And today, that great body has purged itself of parasites. We have triumphed over the unprincipled dissemination of facts. The thugs and wreckers have been cast out. And the poisonous weeds of disinformation have been consigned to the dustbin of history. Let each and every cell rejoice! For
oday, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directive! We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thought is a more powerful weapon than any fleet or army on Earth. We are one people. With one will. One resolve. One cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death. And we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!""
Posted by: Mantra of Moderate Leftists at July 12, 2006 12:22 PM (Gi7oA)
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I'm still waiting for CY to describe what's the difference between "terrorist threats" and the plain, old "generic threats".
Now someone is misrepresenting a quote if they "bold" a portion of the quote? Look no bold --> Five ropes, five robes, five trees. Yep, that is interpretted entirely differently now...Can't wait claims of misrepresentation because someone used the wrong font or point size in a quote reprint...
Anyone who advocates violence against others who don't share their POV whether its SCJs or children is the real threat as it doesn't contribute to the solution but rather just becomes another problem...
Posted by: matt a at July 12, 2006 12:40 PM (E+3yy)
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FWIW...
I can sorta see what Greenwald is getting at, but it boils down to sophistry; when you talk about hanging/shooting/beheading judges/presidents/etc i.e. adult authority figures, it's generally received as overheated venting.
I mean, when a Leftist is marching around with a "behead Bush" sign, there isn't much more reaction than a snort and maybe inclusion in a "deranged lefties" album.
So why the reaction to Frisch? Because it's a threat - a very detailed and sexual one - against a
child. That gets people at a much more personal and visceral level.
Even saying it wouldn't bother you if someone's kid was harmed is going to provoke some deep anger, but then going on to actually make lewd sexual remarks about a little boy is inviting hostility of the most furious and personal sort.
So yeah, people on both sides of the aisle do and have been spouting fanatasies of harming prominent public ~adult~ figures, but this is about someone's kid, and the fact that Frisch's supporters skip this as irrelevant is very telling.
Posted by: Scott at July 12, 2006 01:10 PM (f8958)
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What about the radio host - I believe her name is Randi Roads or somthing like that - basically saying she wanted to shoot the President? I don't remember a lot of outrage on the left over that. Of course, since Air America gets almost no ratings, it could be that no one heard it.
Leftists, go ahead and write about how terrible the "Five ropes, five robes, five trees." I agree that it is a stupid statement. But, it's not quite as bad or outrageos to write a inflamatory stuff about a public figure as writing on someone's blog that you want to sexually assault the person's 2 year old and would basically like to see the 2 year old dead, but moral equivalence is what the left is all about. And, the left rose up in support of Frisch, rather than any of them decrying her. And, she refuses to even acknowledge that she wrote the stuff or that writing the stuff was bad.
So, I'm happy we have the left starting to believe that some forms of arguing are bad. Maybe this is the path toward their rejoining civilization and rational debate. It starts with them trying to prove hypocrasy of the right, but maybe they will internalize it and say - yeah, you know what, rather than becoming unhinged, I'll try to actually make logical arguments using the facts.
Naaaa. never happen
Posted by: Great Banana at July 12, 2006 02:01 PM (JFj6P)
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The sad thing about Greenwald is that he thinks he's clever with his B.S. Is he oblivious to the fact that everyone can see through him and just rolls their eyes laughing at him? Does he think he draws any blood with these asinine, tediously longwinded, and hysterical posts? He does succeed in being annoying, that's about all I'd grant him. He's a crashing bore and a liar, and he's done so much damage to his credibility in recent weeks that he'll never be taken seriously again.
Posted by: LoafingOaf at July 12, 2006 03:02 PM (y6n8O)
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Jeff Fecke said it all!!
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Posted by: me at July 12, 2006 06:01 PM (7FMem)
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Why do I find it no surprise that conservatives go into a feeding frenzy over Deb Frisch, then attack me when I call them and some of their moronic ramblings what they are, and then find out that people like you are using the Ad hominem about Greenwald? The study that showed those who were whiners as children grew up to be conservatives was absolutely correct and people like you are proving it. FYI, I did not then, and do not now support anyone threatening anyone in person, on a blog, in a movie theater, etc. For all you thick skulled individuals, that means I did not and do not support any of Frisch's comments, though, unlike any of you, she acknowledged her mistake and apologized. Let's see how many Ad hominems I get.
Posted by: A. Patriot at July 12, 2006 08:45 PM (f75Uq)
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Hey, "A. Patriot," how many blogs are you going to publish that exact same comment on? I just got done responding to you over at Sister Toldjah's post on the Misha/Greenwald kerfluffle, and here you are...
"A. Patriot?" Bullpuckey. More like "A. Spammer."
Posted by: Wes S. at July 12, 2006 09:58 PM (4vGtY)
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Oooh Timmmm. He talked about your sister. You gonna get him after school?
Posted by: Barney15e at July 13, 2006 12:33 AM (j5/5S)
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what a great site! you get to make up words, like "equivilate"! You get to talk drivel and hurl insults around and pretend it all constitutes thoughtful analysis! You get to dress yourself up in the garb of half-formed ideas and pose handsomely as an expert! I'll be back for more. not.
Posted by: george 3rd at July 13, 2006 03:28 AM (OaaSJ)
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even better: CY himself, on his "about" page, identifies a class of people " who cannot compete with me in intellectual arguments". Quite apart from the breathtaking egotism of this analysis, he accuses these poor inferiors of resorting to ad hominem attacks. And yet, this blog seems to be all about ad hominem attacks, baseless insults, geeneral slurs. Look at the sub-head of the blog, for heaven's sake. Snarky, insulting, superficial. The attitude that pervades the whole shebang.
Posted by: george 3rd at July 13, 2006 03:40 AM (OaaSJ)
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george 3rd,
People make up or redefine new words all the time (blog, email, troll, etc), but "eqivilate" is
hardly new, if still uncommon. Perhaps you should expand your vocabulary.
And yes, I find it quite amusing that the troll who said "I'll be back. Not." came back not once, but twice to leave further comments.
Not exactly a man of his word...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 13, 2006 07:47 AM (g5Nba)
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Just keep lining 'em up and smackin' 'em down huh CY?
george 3rd - would you mind answering a question next time you don't come back? Just what the heck is a:
geeneral slurs
And as long as I'm following your lead and being picky (which is normally not done in the blogosphere), the following is not grammatically correct. It is not a sentence and therefore should either be set of from the previous sentence with a semicolon, or created as a sentence with a proper subject/verb arrangement. But to just leave it sitting there with a capital at the beginning and a period on the end is very insulting:
Snarky, insulting, superficial.
Not ad hominem - just the plain truth.
/sarcasticmodeoff
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Forgot to add:
/teachnetiquettemodeoff
Posted by: Specter at July 13, 2006 09:40 AM (ybfXM)
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The bottom line is that Greewald just doesn't get it. He is getting slammed from all over the place for supporting "frisching" and saying that it is the same thing as some rather dumb comments about the justices and journalists.
The reason that the Frisch incident is different is wholly obvious - justices and journalists are adults and can take care of themselves. A 2 year old cannot. With all of the nut cases on the web, who was to know whether Deb was serious or just over-the-top drunk? Personally, if someone threatened my kids I would get a subpoena for an IP trace back to the ISP (even if they used masking) and then get them arrested. I think Jeff G. showed admirable restraint.
Posted by: Specter at July 13, 2006 10:03 AM (ybfXM)
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Patterico, (AKA) Patrick Frey, as I KNOW, is one of the ALL TIME Cowards of this Millenium. He says I'm "STALKING " him on this website:
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The �yes, I have no bananas post� post (from the protein wisdom conceptual series).
Sorry. But feel free to help yourself to a slice of leftover Little ...
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on this thread:
Monday, July 10, 2006
So long, and thanks for all the Frisch
Nothing to see here. Just felt like using that title, is all. And you gotta admit, it was almost worth it.
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Joe Wilson Outed Plame's Name
When all is said and done, all the hyperbole has been set aside, and all the conspiracy theories debunked, it comes down to this little tidbit written by
Bob Novak:
I learned Valerie Plame's name from Joe Wilson's entry in Who's Who in America
Joe Wilson's Who's Who bio outed his wife's name after an unnamed primary source accidentally revealed information about her role. Karl Rove and the CIA's own Public Information Officer Bill Harlow merely confirmed what Novak already knew.
I don't care too much about the whole Plamegate/Fitzmas bit, though I have read along with it, and this anti-climax is simply hilarious in its non-scandal.
No laws were broken in Plame's name going to press. Not even a tiny one. An inadvertent slip of a position was cross-referenced with publicly available information that Wilson and Plame were stupid and vain enough to volunteer.
This wasn't a grand conspiracy. This was Spies Like Us.
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So where is the rush from the left to apologize for all of the vitriol aimed at us? Cyrus? matt a? Anybody?
What is even scarier in all of this is that Fitz showed up with waivers in hand from all three of Novak's sources - the primary (UGO), Harlow, and Rove. IOW - Fitz knew a month or so into the investigation who the leaker was, and knew that he wasn't going to be charging anybody with the leak as there was no illegal "outing". So what the heck has he been investigating since then? He's spent a lot of our money and I think he should be held accountable. And since he knew the names before Libby even went in front of the GJ (Libby had been interviewed by the FBI twice at that point in time), it looks more and more like Fitz structured Libby's GJ appearances as PERJURY TRAPS. Some ethics there.
Posted by: Specter at July 12, 2006 09:50 AM (ybfXM)
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Yes, Fitzgerald had to have known very early on that there was no violation of the Agent Identities Protections Act or any other national security law, and what is more, once Fitzgerald educated himself about the legal requirements of the Agent Identities Protection Act, would know that Plume was not covered -- she was not "covert" under the statute as she did not have a foreign posting within the required statutory period, agency efforts were not made to conceal a non-existent "covert" status and the there was no knowlege of a non-existent "covert" status by the alleged leaker.
I have been writing for sometime that what Fitzgerald did with the investigation was wrong, that he should have closed up shop 60 days into it. But he didn't. He spent millions of dollars on something that legally was much to do about nothing.
At this point, justice would be well served for Libby to win his perjury trial. Differing recollections among Libby and media individuals such as Russert are not prime stuff for a perjury case, and Fitzgerald acknowledged as much when announcing the Libby indictment when Fitzgerald said the case was drawing "fine distinctions." Fitzgerald still justified such a case, he said then, because of the context of the national security interests involved. But ever since, Fitzgerald has been fighting to keep out of the trial the contextual facts of the case, saying that they are irrelevant. Baloney. Libby has the lawyer in Ted Welles who can win the case, and I for one hope he does. Fitzgerald is a smooth talking prosecutor, but if you focus on what he does, then you can understand my view that Fitzgerald has not acted ethically and has not acted responsibly.
Posted by: Phil Byler at July 12, 2006 11:10 AM (5rVtL)
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Spectre - Sorry to keep you waiting. I sometimes wonder why CY even bothers to link to actual stories that undercut him. From Novak's article,
"In my sworn testimony, I said what I have contended in my columns and on television: Joe Wilson's wife's role in instituting her husband's mission was revealed to me in the middle of a long interview with an official who I have previously said was not a political gunslinger. After the federal investigation was announced, he told me through a third party that the disclosure was inadvertent on his part."
Novak didn't learn of Plume's CIA connection or role in the trip thru who's who but from the primary leak. Of course Joe Wilson is in Who's Who, he was a US ambassador and it wasn't a secret that Plume was his wife, her role in the CIA was.
So why doesn't the primary source come forward?
The only reason I can think of why nobody was prosecuted for this is because a) no evidence exists that would convict someone ie the perfect crime (lack of evidence does not mean that no laws were broken, only that it can't be proven they were) or b)the primary source is either Bush or Chenney who by executive order (or someone else who has been given this power by executive order) can disclose classified info when ever they like (in essence declassifying it on the spot) and it isn't illegal.
If her CIA role wasn't considered classified, then there would have never been an investigation about a leak as Ashcraft I'm sure would have been told this before assigning it to Fitz.
As far as holding Fitz accountable for the waste, I'm all for it when we do the same to Ken Starr.
Posted by: matt a at July 12, 2006 11:48 AM (E+3yy)
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matt a, you were the know-it-all in school that failed tests because you couldn't read the instructions,aren't you?
What part of this didn't you understand?
Joe WilsonÂ’s
Who's Who bio outed his wife's name after an unnamed primary source accidentally revealed information about her role. Karl Rove and the CIA's own Public Information Officer Bill Harlow merely confirmed what Novak already knew.
RIF, junior.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at July 12, 2006 12:22 PM (g5Nba)
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1. Joe Wilson
secretly goes to Niger and
investigates.
2. Joe Wilson comes back and writes a scathing, anti-Bush editorial in the NYT about his
secret trip, basically calling Bush a liar.
3. Bush administration says, “Who sent that guy?”
4. Novak asks the same question and investigates.
5. According to Novak, his unidentified source
inadvertently mentioned that Wilson's wife was involved in the selection process to send him to Niger and that WilsonÂ’s wife worked at the CIA.
6. Novak confirms that WilsonÂ’s wife worked at the CIA.
7. Novak looked up Joe Wilson in "Who's Who" and learned that his wifeÂ’s name was Valerie Plame.
8. Novak publishes his column.
9. Wilson goes nuts.
10. NYT goes nuts.
11. Dems go nuts.
12. Nuts go nuts.
13. 2 ½ year investigation into “illegally leaking” Plame name.
14. One (1) indictment. Not even about the leak.
15. Novak “released” by prosecutor, free to talk.
16. Prosecutor had name of original source from the beginning – didn’t indict.
17. Prosecutor never has specifically said that the “leak” actually broke the law.
18. During Libby indictment, only crime was perjury to a grand jury and lying to the FBI – nothing about the actual leak.
Was exposure of Plame a crime or not? Why does the public not have an absolute definitive answer yet? (Sorry Joe, your opinion doesnÂ’t count)
If it was a crime, where are the charges? ItÂ’s been almost three (3) years now.
If it wasnÂ’t a crime, why isnÂ’t the investigation closed yet?
Why indeed.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at July 12, 2006 12:26 PM (jHBWL)
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CY,
Nope never failed a test. Sorry, I can't relate. I was the guy who corrected the teachers in high school because they were too lazy to get their facts right and just decided to make stuff up. Quoting yourself doesn't make it true. I understand EXACTLY what you said in your blog. However, Joe Wilson never kept his marriage a secret or who he was married to. You can't "out" the fact you are married. Its public knowledge documented at some court house obtainable by any Freedom of Information request. But its truly amazing somehow that its Wilson's fault because someone "inadvertently" let it slip out during a interview that it was Wilson's wife working in the CIA that had a hand in sending him to Niger.
SouthernRoot - Don't forget about Wilson writing a report that basically stated the Niger/Uranium thing was completely bogus which was promptly ignored by the administration in their rush to get the "facts" out.
If you want to blame anyone for this whole mess, blame the administration. If they had been straight forward in the beginning and explained themselves, this ordeal would have been over a long time ago. How many months ago was it that Karl Rove, Libby, VP, etc all categorically denied having ANY involvement with the Novak column or the outing of Plame? And now we know of at least 3 sources (really only 2). This, of course, ignores Bob Woodruff who claims as many as 20 sources for how he knows.
If you act like you have something to hide, people tend to think you have something to hide...as they say, trying to hide the crime is worse than the crime itself...
Posted by: matt a at July 12, 2006 01:10 PM (E+3yy)
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The difference between Ken Starr's investigaiton and Patrick Fitzgerald's is that there was quite a bit of illegality uncovered by Ken Starr's investigation, whereas Patrick Fitzgerlad's was legally much to do about nothing.
Posted by: Phil Byler at July 12, 2006 03:38 PM (5rVtL)
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matt a,
Don't forget about Wilson writing a report that basically stated the Niger/Uranium thing was completely bogus which was promptly ignored by the administration in their rush to get the "facts" out.
Test failed. Wilson never wrote a report. In fact he was debriefed at home after the trip by CIA agents with his wife present at the time. They took what he said and wrote up a report. In his debrief:
Wilson reported that he had met with Niger's former Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki, who said that in
June 1999 he was asked to meet with a delegation from Iraq to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries.
Based on what Wilson told them, CIA analysts wrote an intelligence report saying former Prime Minister Mayki
"interpreted 'expanding commercial relations' to mean that the (Iraqi) delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales." In fact, the Intelligence Committee report said that "for most analysts" Wilson's trip to Niger "lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal."
This is well known information. I guess you did not study.
From the SSSC:
He (the intelligence officer) said he judged that the most important fact in the report was that the
Nigerian officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerian Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting.
In fact - the delegation from Iraq was headed by a former weapons guy from Iraq. Add to that the only real export from Niger is uranium. Hmmmm?
Well...I will agree with Joe that no sale was made, but that is not what Bush claimed is it? Would you like me to quote the 16 words to you? There were other sources of information besides Wilson, but being the BMOC he is he decided that he was the one and only.
matt a - have you even read SSSC and Butler reports? Joe Wilson claimed in the press to have debunked the forged Nigerian documents before our government had even see them. How did he do that?
Watch Novak tonight. You missed what he said - he claimed that Plame's role was discussed by UGO. After that he looked up Joey boy in Who's who and found her name. He called CIA and asked the press rep Harlow if she worked there. Harlow said yes. Now - if she was covert, or being actively protected by CIA, Harlow would not have even known who she was. Yet he seemed to be able to look her up in the directory and give Novak an answer. Sorry - all your dreams of Fitzmas just turned into a lump of coal....
Posted by: Specter at July 12, 2006 04:32 PM (ybfXM)
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To add on to what Phil Byler said, from
this website:
Number of charges brought by Ken Starr in the Whitewater probe -- 19
Number of convictions resulting from Ken Starr's probe -- 14
Number of imprisonments resulting from Ken Starr's probe -- 8
Number of confidential FBI files procured by the Clinton White House -- 900 - 1500
Number of confidential FBI files Nixon aide Charles Colson went to prison for having in his possession -- 1
Matt A - I didn't forget about what Joe "reported", a bi-partisan Senate committee report debunked his statements
here :
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
YouÂ’re stuck on the premise that Joe Wilson was totally truthful. I believe that he was an extremely partisan hack who has been much less than truthful in his accusations against the administration.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at July 12, 2006 04:51 PM (jHBWL)
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Novak was great on Special Report. Time for the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy Mongers to go home. Done deal.
Posted by: Specter at July 12, 2006 05:59 PM (ybfXM)
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Does it not bother anyone that Bush said he would punish, roll heads, and piss down the necks of any leakers in the White House, only to learn it was his closests colleagues and the investigation suggests he was the source himself? What does it take to disturb the sexless wonders?
Posted by: Johnny at July 12, 2006 06:16 PM (Vtwo9)
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What are you talking about Johnny-boy? Are you delusional? What part of the investigation points to Bush? Seriously - you are grasping at straws.
Posted by: Specter at July 12, 2006 11:35 PM (ybfXM)
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How then, to explain a previous comment by Novack, in Newsday: ""I didn't dig it out, it was given to me. They thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it."
so Novack is telling two opposing tales. One, clearly, must be a lie.
Posted by: george 3rd at July 13, 2006 03:52 AM (OaaSJ)
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If her CIA role wasn't considered classified, then there would have never been an investigation about a leak as Ashcraft I'm sure would have been told this before assigning it to Fitz.
This is irrelevant.
Vast sums of money have to be wasted to prove to morons that there is not a coverup going on. Even then the most crazed of the moonbats won't believe the results anyway.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 13, 2006 04:32 AM (Uwm0w)
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Sorry, for some reason my home ISP won't pull up CY's website so let me respond:
Spectre - I apologize for being too literal in my words, how about "Wilson reported back"? I'm sorry for trying to interject reality into your conspiracy-riddled timeline...
I know about Bush's 16 words. I know about the reports. The Senate basically cleared the analysts from being responsible for jumping to conclusions on what "expanding commercial relations" meant in context to other intelligence.
So call Wilson a partisian hack, ohhh. Imagine a political appointee (that's what ambassadors are) being partisian. Republican SOP 101 is attack the messenger.
The fact is that Wilson caught the administration in a big fat "oops". It was embarassing and so the administration did what it always does, attack the individual representing a threat (see McCain in '00 campaign in SC). #3 in your timeline says it all - Bush says "who sent this guy?" not, "Is this right?" "Did we come to the wrong conclusion?" Nope, first thing was to figure out who had the tenacity to investigate the white house's conclusions...So yes, lets go after all the inconsistencies because he must be a liar and a hack and have an agenda and a wife in the CIA...
bottom line - 1 day after his NYT editorial went out, the white house retracted the 16 word statement. 1 day. From http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html.
On July 7, the day after Wilson's original Times article, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer took back the 16 words, calling them "incorrect:"
4 days later:
[On July 11]...CIA Director George Tenet took personal responsibility for the appearance of the 16 words in Bush's speech:
Tenet: These 16 words should never have been included in the text written
for the President.
Tenet said the CIA had viewed the original British intelligence reports as "inconclusive," and had "expressed reservations" to the British.
So Tenet admitted that the CIA thought the uranium deal was inconclusive and the words should NEVER have been in the speech.
When do you think the White House would have admitted to this "gaff" if Wilson's NYT article hadn't run?
Posted by: matt a at July 13, 2006 08:33 AM (E+3yy)
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You see matt a,
You just aren't up to snuff. Test failed again. Joe Lied. Explain to me how he "debunked" the Niger Forgeries before anybody in our government had seen them. Just how did he do that - unless of course he wrote them - but I don't think he is stupid enough to do that.
The 16 words were there in SOTU. So what? There were other countries and intelligence agencies that reported the same thing. That is all Bush said. Italy, Britain, France among others. There was reason to believe that "Hussein was seeking quantities of uranium from Africa." So where is the lie? Just because Joe was upset that nobody paid attention to his little itty-bitty piece of the pie? And the left - you included - jumped all over that. Must be nice to be led around by the nose by such a great man.
As to Novak - they gave it to me statement. Well...they did! UGO told him that Joe Wilson's wife who worked at CIA suggested Joey boy for the trip. That happened. She did. Fact. It was given to him. Did he really have to "dig" to pick up who's who and look up her name? You guys are really reaching here.
matt a - gotta laugh when you accuse me of conspiracy mongering. WTF - what is it that you have been doing for the last 3 years by saying there was this huge conspirace to get "Joe". You just sound foolish.
Face it. Investigation is over. Fitz knew in early January who the leaker was and did not choose to pursue any charges. Why? No law was broken. Get over it. Done deal. Only thing left to clear up now is how Fitz is gonna pay us back for all the money he spent when he already knew no law had been broken.
Posted by: Specter at July 13, 2006 09:03 AM (ybfXM)
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BTW matt a - The 16 words were not based on the forgeries. That is in SSSC which you have assured us you read (yea right). Some day you may figure this out, but I am not very hopeful.
Gotta love it though - the guy who broke the story says he saw NO ATTEMPT TO OUT PLAME. NO CONSPIRACY. LOL. Time to get your knickers untwisted leftists.
Posted by: Specter at July 13, 2006 09:05 AM (ybfXM)
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Spectre - we agree, there is no hope for you.
I would respond indepth but its obvious you are either skipping over all the big words or just reading what you want to see.
Long live the kool-aid...
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Dollard on Mancow
For those of you in the midwest who've liked what you've seen of the
Young Americans trailers I've linked to over the past weeks, you can now get a chance to listen to the man himself.
Pat Dollard will be on Mancow's morning radio show this Friday, July 14, at 7:10 AM (CST).
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Brain Freeze
After her third Wendy's Frosty of the day, Cindy Sheehan wondered why some people thought hunger strikes were so hard.
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Like her poor, starving fellow travelers in isolation at Guantanamo Bay, Sheehan is expected to gain 13 pounds on her ice cream-laced "fast."
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I can put Steak and Potato's in a blender and call it a squishy, put me on a whole new diet.
Posted by: Retired Navy at July 11, 2006 02:05 PM (lNB+R)
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If the troops don't leave Iraq soon, fasting Cindy will look like Gwyneth Paltrow in the fat suit in the Shallow Hal movie.
Posted by: zhombre at July 11, 2006 02:14 PM (Xm4xl)
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Pretty soon she'll be giving Jiminy Glick-style interviews about her "fast" where she is constantly on the verge of choking to death on handfuls of Jujubes in between each of her moonbat talking points.
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The trackback isn't working, so I thought I'd tell you this way that you inspired me to create the Cindy Sheehan "Troops Home Fast" Liquid Fast Pyramid --
here.
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Echoes of London
CNN reports at least six blasts during the evening rush hour on commuter trains in India's financial capital of Mumbai:
At least six blasts have rocked commuter trains at rush hour in and around India's financial capital of Mumbai, with at least 15 deaths reported.
Dozens of people were injured in the blasts, which took place around 6:30 p.m. (1300 GMT) on Tuesday when the trains were packed with commuters making their way home.
A correspondent for CNN's sister network, CNN-IBN, reported seeing 15 bodies at the Matunga train station.
Video from one station showed people with blood on them being treated, other commuters carrying victims and some people lying motionless near train tracks.
At least one train was split in half by the explosion.
A major terrorist attack on a democracy's financial hub... must be those damn Methodists again.
Fox News is reporting seven bomb blasts.
The Bangkok Post is reporting that all the explosions took place in the first-class compartments of the trains.
Forbes, citing Indian television reports, states that dozens have been killed.
Based upon these breaking preliminary reports, I suspect the Mumbai bombers may have used similar explosives to the ten-pound TATP backpack bombs that hit London just over a year ago.
Pajamas Media is providing information as it comes in from Indian blogs and news reports, and seems to be ahead of the wire services. An Indian blogger, Deep Ganatra, is reporting at least 63 dead and 400 injured according to local television media reports.
As of 11:00 AM, CAIR remains focused on a Koran that someone shot up in Tennessee and then threw at a mosque.
Glad to see they have their priorities straight.
Update: A fleeting moment of honesty at the Democratic Underground:
Silence on this board stems from difficulty blaming this on George W. Bush.
That's the fact.
I'll pass on that $20 bet BTW, but I still think we should invade Canada.
Have faith, little liberal.
Your fellow DUers were able to blame Bush for the terror attacks in London, so I'm sure you'll be able to get your thought together long enough find an excuse to blame him for these attacks as well.
Update: Deaths now reported as 130+, and is likely to climb with more than 300 injured. Indian Islamists have been arrested.
CNN-IBN reports another bomb has been found and defused.
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Still, you have to take your honesty where you can get it in this world. Don't squash it, it's a fragile flower.
Posted by: Mr. Snitch! at July 11, 2006 11:03 AM (2CNDQ)
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Bush isn't to blame for this. Mush might be.
Kashmiri separatists are likely behind it.
Posted by: Lint at July 11, 2006 11:05 AM (N1OwQ)
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Drink enough of the kool-aid ("Tastes like Cindy Sheehan!") and you'll find that everything is about Bush.
Everything.
Posted by: Scott Kirwin at July 11, 2006 11:11 AM (wjyxM)
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Rumsfeld was/is in Afghanistan. I'm sure that is close enough for the DU'ers to get a thread started.
Posted by: Dusty at July 11, 2006 11:20 AM (GJLeQ)
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This is precisely the moment to take one of those CNN feel-good-about-Islam polls and ask the 64K question:
The train attacks in India were most likely the work
of:
1- Christian fundamentalists
2- Orthodox Jews
3- Radical atheists
4- The Secret Dick Cheney Brigades
4- Muslims
Posted by: Frank at July 11, 2006 11:27 AM (vxDHi)
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Don't forget those failed missle launches by India. They just appeared more vulnerable. If Bush had given them better parts for those rockets then the terrorists would have seen that India mean't business and would have held back. So, see, it is Bushs' fault. Nah, nah, danahnah!
Posted by: Jack Lillywhite at July 11, 2006 11:29 AM (QWJUy)
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I question the timing.
I can imagine KKKarl Rove arranged this to distract from the recent news that tax receipts have ballooned by a quarter trillion dollars this year because of Bush's tax cuts for the rich.
Um, I think I need to work on this theory a little more.
Posted by: equitus at July 11, 2006 12:09 PM (HizfW)
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Well, that didn't take long. According to the latest (1:55 pm EST) DU postings, it was Bush and Rumsfeld who "fostered the climate" that permitted this latest atrocity. It'll only get better from here.
Posted by: chrisf at July 11, 2006 12:55 PM (dojdQ)
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The US has been forging closer ties with India for the duration of this administration. Of course it's Bush's fault (or more accurately, Karl Rove's, Dick Cheney's and Halliburton's).
India is a natural ally against Islamofascism. The country has suffered the ravages of Mohammedan imperialism for centuries. The barbarians didn't just invade Austria, you know. India is now a vital bulwark against the expansionism of the Religion of Peace™.
Posted by: David Gillies at July 11, 2006 01:32 PM (RC1AQ)
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France2 reports 147 dead and almost 500 injured.
Posted by: Fausta at July 11, 2006 01:58 PM (hBpZn)
Posted by: Toog at July 11, 2006 02:20 PM (IJedl)
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You spoke to soon, they are already blamming Bush:
Excerpt:
"THERE WAR MAKING MACHINE IS MAKING OUR WORLD A MORE VIOLENT PLACE."
Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2381900&mesg_id=2382604
Posted by: Jay Thomas at July 11, 2006 02:58 PM (yU57S)
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How do I join the "The Secret Dick Cheney Brigades"?
Posted by: Dan Roll at July 11, 2006 04:27 PM (jiktV)
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If you're reading this blog, you're already a member.
Posted by: James M at July 11, 2006 10:20 PM (znH8f)
Posted by: KM at July 11, 2006 11:32 PM (YhKI9)
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"France2 reports 147 dead and almost 500 injured."
Trampled to death in the rush to surrender? Tragic - that's almost as many as were lost in India.
Posted by: Scott Free at July 12, 2006 01:00 AM (7S2Zg)
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Alas, I am too old to enlist in the Secret Dick Cheney Brigades. I bet they have some really cool uniforms, though.
Posted by: Barry at July 12, 2006 05:34 PM (QrzWy)
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I left a trackback to your post from
It's not Cashmere it's Muslin - Bombs over Bombay, Excerpt: "It's quite simple. It's not border disputes; it's not sectarian violence; it's nothing to do with Kashmir.
Before I tell you, here's the background: The blogosphere is engorged again ..."
But there seems to be some "fruitcake" error with your trackback software.
Posted by: bernie at July 13, 2006 11:33 AM (f+OGU)
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