August 17, 2006
Accuracy Strikes Middle East Reporting
From the front page of today's
JPost:
Take note of the headline and contrast it against the caption: "Hizbullah fighter watches IDF Wednesday."
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They just forgot to add "and takes a picture of him".
Posted by: Tim at August 17, 2006 05:37 AM (xqtXG)
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according to Roget, they are one and the same
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Quick Hits
Pat Dollard, the former agent who traded in the glitz of Hollywood for the grit of the Iraqi desert, is nearing completion of the feature film and follow-up cable series for Young Americans, which chronicles the lifes of Marines fighting in Al Anbar Province. He also has a "combat journal" that will be featured in
Maxim magazine in November.
Maxim Editor-in-Chief, Jimmy Jellinek, said the journal was, "the best thing written about the Marine Corps at war since the book 'Full Metal Jacket' was based on." That book, in case you were wondering, was Gustav Hadford's "
The Short Timers."
For folks new to Confederate Yankee in the past weeks, I invite you to take a look at Ward Brewer's Beauchamp Tower Corp's "Operation Enduring Service" blog. BTC is a not-for-profit corporation focused on two awesome goals. Part of their effort is to acquire World War II-era warships and turn them into museums.
BTC recently went to Mexico to acquire the former DD-574 John Rogers, the longest-serving Fletcher-class destroyer in the world, from the Mexican Navy, where combat veteran of Iwo Jima, Guandalcanal, and raids on Japan was on active duty until 2002. Ward has some cool pictures of the aging veteran from this recent foray, and milblogger John Donovan of Argghhh! chronicled the trip as well Start here and go. John Rogers will make its way to Mobile, Alabama where it will be turned into a Maritime Museum, and will be rededicated in November.
Brewer's Operation Enduring Service also has a major humainitarian goal as well, of converting retired naval transport vessels into state-of-the-art hurricane response ships to operate throughout the Gulf states and eastern seaboard. surprisingly enough, the federal government, particularly the U.S. Maritime Adminstration, is fighting this effort tooth and nail. Why they are against donating ships (that they intent to scrap anyway) to a life-saving effort is nothing less than insane.
Speaking of insane, Patterico demolishes sockpuppet master Glenn Greenwald (again) and his inane defense of the proven and admitted photo-staging that occurred in Lebanon. Ace piles on as well, as only Ace can do.
Oh, and torture? It works. Dolts can say otherwise, but it has been around for thousands of years becuase of it's effectiveness. I can sleep at night if pulling out a few fingernails (or worse) kept several thousand airline passengers from plunging into the Atlantic from 30,000 feet. As Al Davis says, "Just win, baby."
Ideals are nice, but don't do you much good as a corpse.
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Maybe one reason torture has been around for centuries is that human nature, unfortunately, has always included cruelty. I still don't believe torture is successful in extracting information, and am saddened that our country seems to be sanctioning this. WWII was a bigger threat, due to the modern militaries we were up against, and I don't recall any justification of torture during that heroic era.
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August 16, 2006
A Caption Too Small
Yes, I'm getting just as tired of
this kind of stuff as you are (my bold):
Lebanese civil defense volunteers unload a coffin from a refrigerator outside the Hakoomy hospital in port city of Tyre, southern Lebanon, Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006. At least 842 people were killed in Lebanon during the 34-day campaign, most of them civilians. Israel suffered 157 dead _ including 118 soldiers.(AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)
According to the Associated Press "most" (by definition more than half; at least 421) of those who died were civilians. Considering AP's recent track record in Lebanon, I'm disinclined to believe their claim. Their vague figures run in opposition to what we see here from Strategy Page:
On the ground, Hizbollah lost nearly 600 of its own personnel, and billions of dollars worth of assets and weapons.
Ynet News, citing the IDF as a source three days ago, states that 530 Hezbollah members have been killed.
If the Hezbollah deaths cited by StrategyPage and Ynet are correct and the AP's overall casualty count is close to accurate, then more than 60% of those killed were Hezbollah fighters, even as Hezbollah attempted to hide behind old women and children.
However, when looking at the figures provided by the Associated Press, one would be tempted to infer that Hezbollah's attacks were more precisely targeted at Israeli military forces, as the AP points out that the majority of the Israelis killed by Hezbollah--118 of 157--were soldiers, while "most" of those killed by Israel were civilians.
But the AP conveniently leaves out the fact that half of the Israeli civilians killed were the result of 4,000 indiscriminately targeted Hezbollah rockets purposefully aimed at civilian areas. It also leaves out the glaring fact that Lebanese civilian casualties were so high precisely because Hezbollah chose to fight a war using Lebanese civilians as shields.
Israel specifically targeted precision weapons and artillery fire on infrastructure and Hezbollah targets, while Hezbollah aimed their rockets almost exclusively at Israeli population centers.
In the media war against Israel, somehow the captions are never quite big enough to fit that most basic truth.
Update: An IDF First Sergeant clarifies the situation with first-hand knowledge in the comments:
CY, this is a great post you have written here, though I feel I have to eluminate a few things.
I'm an IDF first sergeant and recently returned from Lebanon. And the way things are develping I might return there sooner then I've hoped.
Hizb'Allah casualties. The numbers you have presented are quite close to accurate, but they don't show the whole picture. It's not classified, but I dought you'll ever see these figures in the MSM. According to our statistics we (the IDF) have scored OVER 600 CONFIRMED enemy kills (photgrphed, documented, claimed and added to the killboard, I personally scored 2 kills to add to my record) and another 800-1200 unconfirmed/unclaimed kills (this estimation includes kills form airstrikes/artillary shelling). The Hizb'Allah losses aren't counted, on the most part, against the official number of Lebanease casualties. Hizb'Allah admits to loosing only 58 of it's own men and 21 more from their ally - the Amal terrorist organisation.
How much troops Hizb'Allah has really lost we'll probably never know since they're quite unlickly to release this information.
Hizb'Allah also lost a lot of weapons and equipment, and quite large amounts of equipment were captured by us.
But the operation wasn't deemed as successful since we didn't get our boys back. Also we (the soldiers) feel that some high ranking officers in the Northern Command had little idea what they where doing. Our political leadership could've should've done more - like sending us in early on/buying us more time to finish the job.
At any rate, Olmert chose to succumb to the will of Kofi Anan and his Useless Nations with their Hizb'Allah backed Associated Propaganda and al-Reuters spitting lies all over the world about disproportionate response and us indiscriminately
killing civilians.
But this isn't over by any means, this "cease fire" is just a temporary respite before all hell will break loose once again. And then we'll finish what we've started.
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I agree, but one samll corection:
not HALF but ALL of the Israeli civilians killed were the result of 4,000 indiscriminately targeted Hezbollah rockets purposefully aimed at civilian areas.
Posted by: hezy amiel at August 16, 2006 03:45 PM (nmxAF)
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Yes, the civilian deaths are bad.
Perspective: in the Normandy Campaign in 1944, more French civilians died than Allied and Nazi soldiers COMBINED.
If the Lebanese government was really horrified by the number of civilian deaths, they would have immediately agreed to Israel's terms for peace. These were not onerous- disband Hezbollah, return two captured soldiers, no big deal.
Conclusion: The deaths of civilians were painful for the Lebanon government, but the thought of disbanding Hezbollah is even MORE painful. They will gladly sacrifice any number of Lebanese to protect this terrorist group.
Ben
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Given that a "Confederate Yankee" back in the day was known as a "Copperhead" and considered a traitor, it's entirely appropriate that a halfwitted moron like you, out apologizing for today's Party of Southern Treason, would choose it.
Republican: a synonym for traitor, war criminal, thief, con artist, liar, and moron.
Posted by: TCinLA at August 16, 2006 06:09 PM (0BwPH)
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Note also that some recent Hezbollah missiles fell in Lebanese civilian areas. Which, with Iranian money, they are promising to rebuild (presumably with really deep cellars).
And Kofi is upset that Israel does not want to pull out before a peace-keeping force with teeth (permission to fire) is in place, since Kofi has promised that it shouldn't take much more than a year - assuming anyone signs up to be part of it - and why should it matter that Kofi's UN will not be tasked with disarming anyone?
Posted by: teqjack at August 16, 2006 07:38 PM (oHkbn)
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TCinLA, you really need to stop using... it's effecting your ability to be coherent. You might to have the BDS seen about, too.
Posted by: Old Soldier at August 16, 2006 07:53 PM (owAN1)
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Do you know what I find curious? The fact that they are using photo descriptions to convey propaganda.
Aren't these labels supposed to be short, and to describe only what's happening in the picture? Some context is fine, but making an assertion in a photo's label seems out of place.
Good thing he didn't deniend the Holocaust while he was at it.
Posted by: dna at August 16, 2006 08:20 PM (xjpGM)
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TCinLA,
LOL. You just proved where CA got the title the "left coast". LOL. We are laughing at your obvious prejudiced behavior. You are obviously a racist. Too bad. You are probably one of the "elite" that want to run the country. LOL. Stick with the LATimes.
BTW - What do you think of the full page ad in the LAT today with 84 Hollywood Heavyweights condeming - would you believe it - not Israel, but Hezbollah and Hamas for the unrest in that part of the ME. Wow.
But for you - you may as well have quoted the braintrust of the DemoNcratic Party - none other than Howlin' Howie Dean. You know what he says:
AAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Posted by: Specter at August 16, 2006 09:26 PM (ybfXM)
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Given that a "Confederate Yankee" back in the day was known as a "Copperhead" and considered a traitor...
Actually, "
copperheads" were cowardly northern Democratic appeasers during the Civil War which constantly called the Republican president a "tyrant" and claimed that he was destroying America and American values. They tried to convince American troops to desert, were generally treasonous, and we're largely viewed as useful idiots by their enemies.
Does that sound familar? It should. Then, as now, the synonym for a copperhead is a "Peace Democrat."
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 17, 2006 12:17 AM (BTdrY)
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CY, this is a great post you have written here, though I feel I have to eluminate a few things.
I'm an IDF first sergeant and recently returned from Lebanon. And the way things are develping I might return there sooner then I've hoped.
Hizb'Allah casualties. The numbers you have presented are quite close to accurate, but they don't show the whole picture. It's not classified, but I dought you'll ever see these figures in the MSM. According to our statistics we (the IDF) have scored OVER 600 CONFIRMED enemy kills (photgrphed, documented, claimed and added to the killboard, I personally scored 2 kills to add to my record) and another 800-1200 unconfirmed/unclaimed kills (this estimation includes kills form airstrikes/artillary shelling). The Hizb'Allah losses aren't counted, on the most part, against the official number of Lebanease casualties. Hizb'Allah admits to loosing only 58 of it's own men and 21 more from their ally - the Amal terrorist organisation.
How much troops Hizb'Allah has really lost we'll probably never know since they're quite unlickly to release this information.
Hizb'Allah also lost a lot of weapons and equipment, and quite large amounts of equipment were captured by us.
But the operation wasn't deemed as successful since we didn't get our boys back. Also we (the soldiers) feel that some high ranking officers in the Northern Command had little idea what they where doing. Our political leadership could've should've done more - like sending us in early on/buying us more time to finish the job.
At any rate, Olmert chose to succumb to the will of Kofi Anan and his Useless Nations with their Hizb'Allah backed Associated Propaganda and al-Reuters spitting lies all over the world about disproportionate response and us indiscriminately
killing civilians.
But this isn't over by any means, this "cease fire" is just a temporary respite before all hell will break loose once again. And then we'll finish what we've started.
Regards, F. Sgt. Alex
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"I'm Going to Die, Aren't I?"
Almost five years after the collapse of the World Trade Center towers in lower Manhattan,
the release of 1,613 emergency calls made under that bright blue September sky are like ripping scars:
"Listen to me, ma'am," that operator told a panicky Melissa Doi during a 20-minute phone call. "You're not dying. You're in a bad situation, ma'am."
A portion of Doi's end of the conversation was played for jurors in April at the trial of Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.
"I'm going to die, aren't I?" Doi asked the dispatcher.
"Ma'am, just stay calm for me, OK?" the dispatcher said. The conversation ended with the operator trying vainly to speak with Doi, a financial manager for IQ Financial Systems: "Not dead, not dead," the operator said to no response. "They sound like deep sleep."
The phone line cut out. Doi never made it out of the World Trade Center.
"Oh, my lord," said the operator, whose words to Doi were previously not made public.
At Hot Air, AllahPundit managed to listen to about 90 seconds of Doi's 24-minute call before he had enough.
I admire him for getting as far as he did.
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5 years and STILL no capture of OSAMA BIN LADEN. How will these families EVER have closure if he is never brought back to New York for trial and execution?
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 16, 2006 06:25 PM (ZJubN)
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How long did it take to find Eric Rudolph? How long did it take to find the Unabomber? They were in the US... Finding Osama is a bit more difficult. Back to the topic - I don't know how anyone could listen to more than a few seconds of those tapes. I heard bits on the news, and that was enough.
Posted by: Baldy at August 16, 2006 07:40 PM (vFS/o)
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Those 911 operators are some of the true unsung heroes of that day... talking with those people through the last moments of their lives... God bless them. I'm sure many of them needed counseling afterward. I know I would have.
Listening to even the briefest of tidbits of these 911 calls has served to rekindle some of the hotness of my anger and resolve against the Islamofascists who did this to us.
Posted by: GradualDazzle at August 16, 2006 08:51 PM (yIU8a)
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Yeah, I guess you're right, we'll just have to wait until he sends his manifesto to the Washington Post, or we catch him dumpster diving.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 16, 2006 10:35 PM (aQWns)
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My God, what kind of subhuman would see the comments on THIS post as nothing more than an opportunity to spew puerile anti-Bush talking points?
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Reality Check
While the war between Hezbollah and Israel seems to be on an
increasingly temporary hiatus, the public relations battle over who actually came out ahead in this latest Arab-Israeli conflict seems to depends on whether or not you give military successes or temporary political successes more weight.
Leftist poster boy in favor of Islamic oppression, Robert Fisk:
The truth is Israel opened its attack on Lebanon by claiming the Lebanese government was responsible for Hizbollah's attack - which it clearly was not - and that its military actions would achieve the liberation of the captured soldiers.
This, the Israelis have signally failed to do. The loss of 40 soldiers in just 36 hours and the successful Hizbollah attacks against Israeli armour in Lebanon were a disaster for the Israeli army.
The fact that Syria could bellow about the "achievements" of Hizbollah while avoiding the destruction of a blade of grass inside Syria suggests a cynicism that has yet to be grasped inside the Arab world. But for now, Syria has won.
Was Lebanon's government—the same government which refuses to disarm Hezbollah—aware of Hezbollah's plan to kidnap Israeli soldiers?
Fisk says they weren't complicit.
Hasan Narallah, leader of Hezbollah, indicates otherwise (my bold):
I told them on more than one occasion that we are serious about the prisoners issue and that this can only solved through the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. Of course, I used to make hints in that respect. Of course I would not be expected to tell them on the table I was going to kidnap Israeli soldiers in July. That could not be.
[Bin-Jiddu (Al-Jazeera)] You told them that you would kidnap Israeli soldiers?
[Nasrallah] I used to tell them that the prisoners' issue, which we must solve, can only be solved through the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.
[Bin-Jiddu (Al-Jazeera)] Clearly?
[Nasrallah] Clearly. Nobody told me: no, you are not allowed to kidnap Israeli soldiers. I was not waiting for such a thing. Even if they told me no you are not allowed [nothing would change]. I am not being defensive. I said that we would kidnap Israeli soldiers in meetings with some of the key political leaders in the country.
To call Robert Fisk a liar would be redundant.
Is the loss of 40 soldiers in 1 1/2 days a "disaster" as Fisk states? To the family members of the soldiers it undoubtedly is, but otherwise, the lost of 40 men in a close quarters ground assault against the entrenched positions is hardly a disaster, even if the overall outcome of the battle was not the total destruction of Hezbollah in South Lebanon. "We won because we didn't all die" is hardly the most convincing victory speech for Hezbollah and their Syrian and Iranian patrons, not matter how the politics of the situation are spun.
Of course, that is just the political angle played up by Hezbollah's supporters.
Let's look at another view, based on the facts:
Hizbollah suffered a defeat. Their rocket attacks on Israel, while appearing spectacular (nearly 4,000 rockets launched), were unimpressive (39 Israelis killed, half of them Arabs). On the ground, Hizbollah lost nearly 600 of its own personnel, and billions of dollars worth of assets and weapons. Israeli losses were far less.
While Hizbollah can declare this a victory, because it fought Israel without being destroyed, this is no more a victory than that of any other Arab force that has faced Israeli troops and failed. Arabs have been trying to destroy Israel for over half a century, and Hizbollah is the latest to fail. But Hizbollah did more than fail, it scared most Moslems in the Middle East, because it demonstrated the power and violence of the Shia Arab minority. Sunni Arabs, and most Arabs are Sunnis, are very much afraid of Shia Moslems, mainly because most Iranians are Shia, not Arab, and intent on dominating the region, like Iran has done so many times in the past. Hizbollah's recent outburst made it clear that Iran, which subsidizes and arms Hizbollah, has armed power that reaches the Mediterranean. This scares Sunni Arabs because a Shia minority also continues to rule Syria (where most of the people are Sunni). The Shia majority in Iraq, which have not dominated Iraq for over three centuries, is now back in control.
Hizbollah did enjoy a victory in its recent war, but it was over Sunni Arabs, not Israel.
Two different reactions, one based in leftist cant sympathetic to terrorists, and another based on the actual physical damage and the political resonance felt throughout the region. At the end of the day, I think the Israelis came out far better in their "defeat" than did Hezbollah's military wing in their corpse-riddled "victory."
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Islam's Eternal War Against Israel and the Jews
Recent events in the Middle East have caused old questions to resurface. Why the Arab obsession with Israel and the Jews? Why the blinding hatred and calls for genocide and slaughter? Even "moderate" Islamic states have become much more hostile in the past week. Turkey, a nation which has enjoyed a close relationship with Israel over the years has turned violently anti- Jewish. The Turkish army has paid Israeli military contractors tens of millions of dollars to refurbish their tank corps. The Turkish Coast is a popular vacation spot for Israelis. But still, cries for Jihad resound.
To believe the answer is about land or occupation is to be simplistic. Recent events prove land has nothing to do with it (see Gaza and Lebanon withdrawals). The answer begins with a historical event that took place approximately 3,700 years ago, the birth of Abraham's two sons Isaac and Ishmael. God promised Abraham that amongst other things he would be the father of great nations. However there was one blessing that was to be passed on to one son only; the blessing of being the chosen people who would receive the land of Israel. The Judeo-Christian belief is that Isaac, one of the Jewish Patriarchs, was the chosen one. Ishmael was banished to the desert. Islam has distorted this through centuries of propaganda. Until Mohammad crawled out from under a rock in the desert about 2,500 years later, the Arabs were nothing more than nomadic pagans (exactly the opposite of Abraham's greatest legacy, monotheism). The Jews went on to settle in Israel for the next 1,600 years.
The Islamic conquest of the Middle East, North Africa and Spain raised the spirits of the desert killers. The Jews, like the Christians were treated better than the pagans, but were still discriminated against. The Jews were to be kept in check. No need to kill them. As long as Israel as a state did not exist, there was no proof that God's promise to Abraham was to be realized through Isaac.
In 1948, the modern State of Israel was born. Arab armies came from as far as Yemen and Iraq to destroy the Jewish State. The Jews who has lived in Arab countries for centuries no longer felt safe and fled for the lives. (Ironic we only hear about Palestinian refugees.) Why the sudden changes from mild tolerance to a blood thirsty cry of "slaughter the Jews"? Simple, the Jews were back in Israel. Isaac was the chosen one, and Ishmael's descendents are banished to the desert. Israel's being destroys the false Arab dreams of being the "chosen one". Why the Arab infatuation with Jerusalem when it is not even mentioned once in the Koran? Why are the mosques in Jerusalem built specifically on the Temple Mount? Because everything that is Jewish that is connected to the land must be "Islamisized".
Now that the Jews have returned, keeping them "in check" like in the middle ages is not enough. They must be destroyed, because the fact that they are alive and well in Israel is living proof that the Arab nation is not the chosen one. DonÂ’t believe anyone who tries to sell you a story about occupation.
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Israel's supporters will [mostly] say Israel won, its acknowledged enemies will say Hezbollah won, and from all sides - including the US - come the words "disproportionate response" as if the whole thing was only about the two kidnapped soldiers.
It is too early to tell. Unfortunately, Israeli governments have a terrible record of PR - they should hire a big firm to help. And it is PR that keeps the money flowing to Hamas and Hezbollah and all their ilk.
And the compromise/UNresolution is already dead. The Lebanese government has said it will not seek to disarm Hezbollah, UN resolutions or no UN: Kofi has said Israel must pull out now, even though he also says the proposed UN force will not be deployed for about a year (if at all) and will not seek to disarm Hezbollah anyway, and will probably be under the usual "fire only if fired upon" orders that allow non-UN-staff people to be shot down yards away: Secretary Rice seems to be saying the same as Kofi: Syria is rattling its tiny sword about the Golan Heights again.
Meanwhile, we almost daily have interviews with Muslim "victims" and none with Israeli ones (discounting politicians and published authors).
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Democratic Ad Equates Illegals with Terrorists
Nuance:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Democratic political ad is under fire from Hispanics who say it unfairly compares Latino immigrants to terrorists.
The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sponsored a 35-second ad on its Web site that shows footage of two people scaling a border fence mixed with images of Osama Bin Laden and North Korea President Kim Jong Il.
Pedro Celis, chairman of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, said in a statement Tuesday that the DSCC should remove the ad because it vilifies illegal Hispanic immigrants and is "appalling."
Houston City Councilwoman Carol Alvarado, a Democrat, sent a letter to DSCC Chairman Sen. Charles Schumer of New York asking that the ad be pulled. She said it could alienate Latino voters.
"To liken Latino immigrants to bazooka-toting terrorists not only undermines the positive relationship our party has with this community, but also lowers us to a despicable level as breeders of unfounded fear and hatred," Alvarado wrote.
The ad opens with the words "Security Under Bush and GOP?" It features scenes of a masked man with a bazooka, scenes from terrorist attacks and police inspecting a subway train. It also shows Osama bin Laden, Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and a docked ship as it claims "4 times as many terrorist attacks in 2005."
Then comes footage of a person climbing over a corrugated metal border fence and another preparing to climb it as the words "millions more illegal immigrants" form on-screen. In the following scene, viewers see the words "North Korea has quadrupled its nuclear arsenal" with footage of a tank and North Korea President Kim Jong Il.
The ad ends with the words, "Feel safer? Vote for change."
Terrorism and illegal immigration are two hot-button issues facing America right now, but the Democrats seem unwilling or unable to realize that while there is some concern that our lackadaisical border security may enable terrorists to cross the border, illegal aliens are not terrorists. While they are an economic and social concern, illegal aliens are not actively engaged in trying to destroy America and take America lives.
That Democrats seem to view these two issues on an equal plane betrays the fact that the reality-challenged Party doesn't hold Islamic terrorists as any more of a threat to American lives than does an illegal alien's attempt to find a better life by the wrong means. With increasingly rare exceptions, Democrats are still a party incapable of admitting and coping with the very real threats of Islamic terrorism facing the Western world.
Does an entire political party unable and unwilling to address your safety with a single concrete plan to address terrorism in the five years since September 11 make you feel safer?
Me neither.
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Great post CY.
It seems pretty dumb of the DemoNcrats to try to play an ad like this. For so long they have pretended to be the "party" of the minorities, but they always choose the race-baiting way of politics. You know - Repubs vs. minorities, Repubs vs. low income. They claim to be the party that will unify the country, but their platforms cause divisiveness.
To claim - or even insinuate - that illegal aliens are terrorists is ludicrous. The legal and illegal aliens come here for a purpose - not to destroy America, but to take advantage of the opportunities offered. Like it or not, they are now bound up in our econonomic system. Some think that is bad, others good. We need better border control to make sure that we can handle the influx of opportunity seekers and to keep terrorists out. We do not need isolationism, race-baiting, and the prejudicial rantings supported by DemoNcrats.
Posted by: Specter at August 16, 2006 02:35 PM (ybfXM)
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CY,
I'm a regular reader of this blog and generally agree with you on most/all issues. But i disagree with arguments blasting the Dems for this ad. Granted I haven't seen it so I don't have a lot to back me up, but it seems to me that the ad was SIMPLY making the point that our poor security on the border, made apparent by the numbe of illegal immigrants, is a pressing issue of national security (which is a very good point, and one that conservatives including yourself have made often). If I were the dems, I would have tried to make the same argument.
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August 15, 2006
Watching Zohra
Yesterday I quipped that I found Gatorade's new energy Drink "self-Propel," after discovering a series of three pictures by Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra. In those photos, a
mysteriously mobile bottle of water appears and disappears beside an elderly injured woman that Bensemra said was waiting to be rescued, and was made to appear utterly alone.
The moving bottle and other suspicious elements in the photos lead me to believe that this series of photos, like so many already discovered coming from Arab Muslim stringers in Lebanon, were quite likely staged.
The curious composition of Bensemra's photos continued today, as this one was, err, unearthed in Yahoo's Photostream:
I have no doubt at all that Lebanese Red Cross members are unearthing bodies from the rubble of Israeli air strikes, and will continue to do so for days weeks, and even months to come. But the damaged structure in question would seems to offer a very narrow opening, and with two rescuers already inside the cramped space (you can see the reflective stripes on the sleeve of another rescuer further in), it would seem strange to bag a body in the narrow confines of unstable rubble, when it would be both safer and easier for the rescuers to do so in the open.
Of course that is making the assumption that this is indeed a cramped space.
Another photo, which I have enlarged and then cropped to show the relevant area, indicates that the external area of the structure in question is only several yards wide, and no more than a couple of yards high. Note the expansive open area in the left side of the frame, and edge of the structure over the shoulder of the second man from the right. This structure these men were emerging from is far too narrow to be a residential building. It seems doubtful that a normal residential dwelling would have such a narrow profile, a concrete roof, walls a foot or more thick, or space for two or more live adults to body bag the undefined deceased inside, before bringing him out.
Victim, or target? House, or bunker? Perhaps the Israelis were able to kill someone other than old women and children after all.
I cannot prove that Zohra Bensemra is complicit in staging photos in Lebanon, but at the very least I can feel comfortable of accusing Bensemra of writing misleading captions that alter the context of how the picture is viewed. A caption reading "Lebanese Red Cross personnel remove the body of a person who died during an Israeli air raid during the conflict between Israel and Lebanon's Hizbollah, at Tayba in south Lebanon August 15, 2006" may be entirely accurate, but a caption reading "The body of a Hezbollah fighter is removed from a bunker near Tayba" would tell quite a different story, if that is indeed what happened.
Is Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra a journalist, or propagandist? I'll leave that for you to decide, Myself, I tend to judge people by the company they choose to keep.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at August 15, 2006 03:52 PM (n7SaI)
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It seems like they are using the tarps to pull the bodies out of a small passageway.
What is the conspiracy here? That on the other side of the hole is a ballroom and underground waterpark, where the rescue workers have ample room to wrap the bodies before sliding them out of the hole, but not before they enjoy a 12 course meal?
I mean, get a life. These men, for whatever reason, are hauling bodies out of rubble. I'm certain that there are plenty of bombed out places filled with corpses in Lebanon. You should be happy that they aren't showing pictures of burned, mutilated children without faces or flies feeding on dead senior citizens.
At least these photos are reasonably mild. I'm sure if there was a vast-left-wing conspiracy to produce doctored photos, there would be pictures of a burning doll or a child with a missing foot or something at least half as moving as a "feed the orphans" advertisement.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:23 PM (DwFzZ)
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"It seems doubtful that a normal residential dwelling would have such a narrow profile, a concrete roof, walls a foot or more thick, or space for two or more live adults to body bag the undefined deceased inside, before bringing him out."
Narrow house, concrete roof! Icky! They deserve to be crushed under the rubble. Poor people are so tacky! Barf!
Now if it were one of those maaaarvelous little bungalows that they have in the Hollywood Hills, with a Mini Cooper in the driveway, that would be another story. (Especially if he had nice abs! Meow!)
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:32 PM (DwFzZ)
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Looks like a mast and an antenna on the left of the picture stretching toward the right. There's a wire dangling from the antenna. Is this for TV or is this some sort of shortwave rig?
Posted by: Jim at August 15, 2006 07:04 PM (kbeKY)
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Good thing nobody gets killed in wars. These are all photo ops done on a sound stsge in Burbank. Camera tricks. Maybe all you pro war activists will enlist, now that we all know nobody gets hurt in war. Neat uniforms, real laser tag guns that shoot real lasers that ring a bell when you hit your TARGET. Full coverage with dental and they even pay you. No real dead bodies to stink up the neighborhood, just camera tricks.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 15, 2006 08:02 PM (L4LKA)
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In the top photo, the man is pointing. If you draw a straight line to the spot where he is pointing, you are directed to the vertex of a right angle. The slightly wavy wire forms the hypoteneuse of a right triangle. The message here is clear. While most look at the cave and the body coming out of it, the photographer says that we should be looking at the right triangle, a symbol of the gnostic cult of Pythagoras. In this context, then the image of the dead body being removed from the tomb by men wearing crosses, the photographer seems to be suggesting that the Resurrection was a hoax.
As an added affront to Christians, the men with crosses are wearing orange life jackets. Orange is widely known to be the color of the "Hermes" corporation of France, which takes its name from the pagan god who is most closely associated with the hermetic (pagan/gnostic) tradition. The lifevests themeselves are a reference to the Bible story in which Jesus walks on water. Notice the men who bear crosses do not leave their fate up to Christ, rather, they wear life vests.
Zohra obviously has an axe to grind with these photos. Clearly these photos are encoded with gnostic imagery. If you read the larger picture, my guess is that Zohra would scoff at the idea that this war is part of a larger plan and that he is subconsciously trying to program children to believe in his gnostic wordlview.
I suppose we'll see who gets Left Behind. When he's out there fiddling with dead terrorists to make his little point, we'll be up in heaven hawkin' burning angel loogies on his heathen ass.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 08:48 PM (DwFzZ)
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Grizzly, are you daft? Most likely, you're not, you just don't know stuff about concrete and steel and construction. Fortunately for you I'm not a computer geek, I'm kind of a construction geek. I have a red plaid flannel shirt to prove it, so sit back and Learn.
Low, wide opening, concrete slab roof, BRUSH ON TOP- that's a bunker, not a home! Did it sink home that the concrete roof did not break up even when the walls did? You think a peasant chooses building materials like that?
Poor people do not build homes that are only 8 feet wide, rise 3 feet off the ground, have high strength concrete slab roofs, and camoflauge. They have corrugated metal roofs, or tile roofs, or mud roofs that wouldn't look at all like that.
Check out the wall- see the way the blocks on the right have shifted, but remain in place? See the broken ones? No cavities, right? Those are not the simple hollow concrete masonry units most people would use (yes, even there) nor are they merely grouted solid. Nor are they bricks- any of those are much cheaper options- yes they have bricks in the middle east, they frikkin invented them there. So why these big solid pre-cast concrete? Why would a peasant build with that kind of weight? And time, and money. And it's NOT easy- those puppies weigh in at 145 LB per cubic foot. And they are NOT cast in place, or we wouldn't see blocks, we'd see irregular pieces.
And they are concrete, not stone, because the construction stone in that part of the world is in the tan-gold-beige range. If those are stone, our peasant is using imported limestone!
How do we know it wasn't taller? Because A) the vegetation overgrowing it, unless you think in Lebanon shrubs grow a few feet between a bombing and a casualty removal, B) if it was tall, the slab would have broken in the fall, and C) unless you think Lebanese peasants use cantilevered construction, that heavy roof slab would be wall-supported, and there just isn't enough wall debris to have been a taller stucture. Try to mentally reconstruct it.
And you can clearly see that the rubble does not continue to the right or left of that
You will never find a picture of a home in Lebanon with construction consistent with the rubble you see in that pic. Go try. Knock yourself out.
And just to show that I'm a fair minded guy, the dust free blanket and pillows in the second photo set mean nothing. Who's to say a neighbor didn't bring them over? I can show you pictures from the day after 9-11, with spotless T shirts in sight, and 4 days after, absolutely clean brand new spit and polished Volvo trucks. (Volvo America donated them on Sept 13, pulling 3 right out of the showroom)
Ben
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In the original photo at Yahoo I do believe I see some rebar.
One heck of a peasant dwelling, there.
Ben
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2006 09:30 PM (04cQ2)
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Wow. Since the last time I've read your blog you seem to have accumulated some lefty trolls
Posted by: Chase Bradstreet at August 15, 2006 11:57 PM (yKnNx)
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I thought it looked like a wall that had fallen over sideways, actually. I've been to other third world countries and you see all kinds of garbage arranged in ways that don't make sense. But to be fair, the Yahoo story says nothing about it being a body from a house. It's possible that it was a bunker or bomb shelter or some other structure. I don't see why this should distract us from the gnostic imagery.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 12:05 AM (DwFzZ)
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The bottom photo is totally fake. Look at how big the guy with the green helmet is. Look at how small the bulldozer is. I think the bulldozer is really a Tonka with some G.I. Joes on it.
Plus, he is wearing a Cal Trans vest over his army clothes, which means he probably got a DUI. You can't trust drunk dopehead Vietnam vets who still wear their fatigues around even though they got discharged for going AWOL. Proof of a fake.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 01:16 PM (DwFzZ)
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Plus, all those "arabs" look like illegals, to me. Either they have the same anchor baby infestation we've got here, or this is just a Hurricane Katrina photo. How much more proof do you need! The war in Lebanon is a hoax, but don't expect to hear that in the New York Times.
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I revise my earlier estimate, Grizzley, You are Daft! Much fun to read. Tonka truck. Hee.
BTW, Re: Katrina. Some of those photos got a bit loopy too. Ever ask why we heard over and over again, they were trapped because they were too poor to own cars, and in photo after photo, you see drowned, submerged cars? Why is it no one's willing to admit that in any American city, there will be stubborn people who in the face of any disaster will say "I ain't leavin and you ain't gonna make me."? But hey, that's really off topic, and don't ask these things, they can get you in trouble.
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Complicity and Consequences
I'm currently in a quandary, trying to determine whether the United Nations cease-fire or Lebanon's implementation of it is
more of a joke.
Hizbullah will not hand over its weapons to the Lebanese government but rather refrain from exhibiting them publicly, according to a new compromise that is reportedly brewing between Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Seniora and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah.
The UN cease-fire resolution specifically demands the demilitarization of the area south of the Litani river. The resolution was approved by the Lebanese cabinet.
In a televised address on Monday night, Nasrallah declared that now was not the time to debate the disarmament of his guerrilla fighters, saying the issue should be done in secret sessions of the government to avoid serving Israeli interests.
"This is immoral, incorrect and inappropriate," he said. "It is wrong timing on the psychological and moral level particularly before the cease-fire," he said in reference to calls from critics for the guerrillas to disarm.
According to Lebanon's defense minister, Elias Murr, "There will be no other weapons or military presence other than the army" after Lebanese troops move south of the Litani. However, he then contradicted himself by saying the army would not ask Hizbullah to hand over its weapons.
If these reports are true, and Lebanon allows Hezbollah to retain their weaponry, they are not only in breach of the cease-fire resolution, they are choosing to side with Hezbollah. Israel should now consider Prime Minister Fuad Seniora's government as an enemy regime.
At some point in the future, maybe only hours or perhaps as long as years from now, Hezbollah with take aggressive actions against Israel that will necessitate another Israeli campaign. The next campaign must not be one of a tentative nature, but one of decisiveness.
Israel must break Hezbollah.
As an "pajama general" half a world away, with no military experience, I must turn to the history books for a solution to Israel's "Hezbollah problem," and a decisive battle in the "Forgotten War" of Korea offers a possible winning strategy.
On June 25, 1950, 135,000 North Korean troops swarmed into South Korea. Within three days they had captured South Koreas capital of Seoul. The U.S. Eighth Army came to South Korea's aid, but even then, they were driven into a small pocket called the Pusan Perimeter before the combined forces were able to establish and hold a defensive line. It was a desperate land stand against the North, and the Korean Peninsula seemed that it might fall completely into communist hands.
That changed on September 15, 1950, when General Douglas MacArthur executed a brilliant "left hook," landing 70,000 men at Inchon, well behind the front, cutting North Korean supply lines. Seoul was liberated ten days later. Half of the 70,000 North Korean troops on the Pusan Perimeter were killed or captured, and the remaining 30,000 were forced to retreat out of South Korea.
Israel may have the capability too consider a similar battle plan in a future war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. While Israel lacks the amphibious forces and manpower of MacArthur, it does have enough helicopter transport capability to perform deep insertions of elite infantry and light artillery units well into Lebanon. By airmobile insertion of these forces along transportation routes from Syria to the west and placing a blocking force to the north and west of Beirut, Israel could cut off Hezbollah from it's Syrian and Iranian suppliers far more effectively than air strikes alone did in the last campaign. It would also open up a multi-front war, keeping Hezbollah off-balance and unable to concentrate firepower in any one direction.
While these airmobile forces are inserted, Israeli strike aircraft could take out cell phone towers, central telephone exchanges, and other command-and-control targets, rendering Hezbollah largely blind and isolated except for short-range communications. At the same time, Israeli reservists and heavy armored units would bypass and cut off Hezbollah strongholds in the south, which could then be targeted and destroyed one-by-one.
This is the campaign Israel should have waged, and perhaps one they may yet fight. It is important to recognize that such a campaign might trigger a conflict with not only with Hezbollah, but the Lebanese Army as well. The conflict would not doubt result in hundreds of Lebanese civilian deaths, perhaps as many or more than this last month-long campaign. The responsibility of these deaths will not only belong to Hassan Nasrallah and Hezbollah, but with Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Seniora and the elected Lebanese government as well. A government that sides with terrorists, becomes terrorists, and Israel should now regard Lebanon as a state-sponsor of terrorism.
Fuad Seniora has signed a deal with the devil, and however and whenever the next war between Israel and Hezbollah is waged, he will bear the blame for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of Lebanese, as assuredly as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
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two points
I think israel went into this cease fire knowing it would fail because hizbollah will fire more rockets, give it a week at most. They are buying time.
So why do they need time? Because they are using armor in a tactically idiotic way. Tanks are for smashing, not taking a town brick by brick. I think they are looking for a way to defeat the AT weapons before they go back in (read that as ask the US how to do it) and are designing a blitzkrieg offensive for when the hizbo s start the war again. At least I hope.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at August 15, 2006 07:24 PM (n7SaI)
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It's always a joke when someone STOPS burning down your neighborhood and no longer is killing your family, friends, and neighbors.
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August 14, 2006
The Show Must Go On
According to Reuters photographer Zohra Bensemra, an elderly injured woman lies injured in the ruins of her house, awaiting rescue as Bensemra
snaps these pictures.
Let's for a moment try to look past the staging elements that we've become accustomed to searching for over the past weeks.
Ignore for a moment the fact that a wounded elderly woman in a bombed out building is unlikely to be in the kind of physical condition needed to drag several pristine sofa pillows through the rubble and make a bed out of them. Look past the fact that she, in her weakened condition, has found a nearly spotless black blanket in the fine gray dust of a bombed out building to cover her legs against the 80 degree cold. Ignore the conveniently-placed bottled water she somehow found intact and had for the middle photo only.
Look past all this, and the total absence of any readily identifiable injury, to momentarily take Zohra Bensemra's word at face value that this is an injured, elderly woman lying in the rubble, that he seems to have stumbled across before help has arrived.
Now place yourself in Zohra Bensemra's shoes.
If you came across someone lying injured in the rubble, would you cry for assistance, seek to comfort her, or stop to determine which camera angle best captures this scene?
Would you come forward quickly and see how badly she is injured and try to render assistance, or would you compose an increasingly intimate montage of photos?
Reuters, no doubt, will offer the excuse that the photographer has the duty to capture the story, not to become part of it.
I'd like to ask Reuters when a photo-op becomes more important than basic humanity, but I'm afraid they'd be all too ready and willing with an answer.
Update: After thinking about it for a few minutes, I decided one element of these photos deserves more attention, so I updated the second photo to highlight the interesting detail.
According to the photographer's caption:
An injured Lebanese woman lies in her damaged house as she waits to be rescued during the first day of ceasefire, at Bint Jbail, east of the port city of Tyre (Soure) August 14, 2006. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra (LEBANON)
If she "waits to be rescued" alone, who, then, is moving the bottled water in the second photo out of frame in the first and third pictures? Is it Gatorade's new fitness drink, "self-Propel?"
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Is this person alive? Rigor mortis?
Why do we bother looking?
Posted by: dc at August 14, 2006 02:22 PM (IzUdI)
Posted by: Bill Faith at August 14, 2006 03:17 PM (n7SaI)
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Didn't she know she was being photographed? Couldn't she have fixed up a little and sweep the floor? What a pig.
Posted by: UncleZeb at August 14, 2006 03:47 PM (CUo3X)
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self-propel..... good one.
Posted by: adamboysmom at August 14, 2006 05:14 PM (tJcGx)
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The picture with the water bottle looks very strange. A little enlargement shows the bottle somehow suspended in mid-air with no apparent support from the woman's hand. You can quite clearly see all her fingers through the clear plastic and none are clutching the bottle. I'd say that it's been Photoshopped by the photographer but there's nothing to be gained by doing that. Maybe it's just perspective
Posted by: Wes at August 14, 2006 09:33 PM (IY0vC)
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The picture with the water bottle looks very strange. A little enlargement shows the bottle somehow suspended in mid-air with no apparent support from the woman's hand.
I noticed the same thing. Nothing conclusive, but certainly looks odd.
Now for a photoshop that is really obvious, but needs to get more play, check out this post
http://www.rightwinged.com/2006/08/ny_times_busted_photoshopping.html
I'm obsessed and won't rest until someone at the NY Times is fired.
Posted by: RightWinged at August 14, 2006 10:45 PM (cZfGb)
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It's clear she was gesturing with her arms in an attempt to get the photographer to help her.
As far as we know, he took pictures and left.
(Sure doesn't look like she's faking to me.)
Posted by: Chris at August 15, 2006 12:30 PM (58SoC)
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I dont doubt that this woman may be in need of some assistance but the question I ask is "Is the assistance she needs already there and just waiting for the pictures to be taken?" Since as so many have pointed out the waterbottle mysteriously disappears in the first and third photos.
Posted by: 81 at August 15, 2006 12:53 PM (JSetw)
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I'm glad that there are intelligent people out there that ask questions first before blindly believing a terrorist group. Israel does not target civilians and when was the last time you heard about a an Israeli suicide bomber or I.D.F. hiding in amoungst civilians. People of the world better wise up before more bad things happen because of terror groups deliberately using women children as shields. Does any one wonder why so many civilians die in lebonan.....possibly because the men are out putting off rockets near the building and it is then painted for a target.And don't forget as a result of 2 soldiers being kidnapped the whole north part of our country now lives in bomb shelters. Over 2000 rockets have landed in Israel and i think we have been extremely patient
Posted by: Liz at August 15, 2006 05:20 PM (6uiE9)
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I agree with Wes. The water bottle looks shopped. Very strange.
Posted by: lady redhawk at August 15, 2006 05:25 PM (gZTX3)
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Just like Passion of the Toys, the square throw pillow in the bottom photo is dust free, no mudstains, etc. Strange that it would be lying ever so peacefully like that in a "bombed out" house.
Posted by: TBOB at August 15, 2006 06:19 PM (ukBP3)
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But why would Evian photoshop their product into this picture?
Or did Dasani do it? As if to say, "Evian is the water for dead old ladies."
This could be huge. Did you call the government? But they might be in on it!
Or...someobody picked up the water and drank it. Maybe they were refilling it for her. Or, she knocked it over on accident.
But, whatever the case, I'm with you, I would never, NEVER take the time to put pillows under a dying woman. Or give here a sip of water. That's just providing comfort to the enemy. And, if you look closely, notice that her left hand has moved during the series, at least enough to stick a knife in you.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:41 PM (DwFzZ)
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Do you think she's an actor? Maybe it is Sean Penn in disguise? Or maybe a cockroach person? Whoever she is, she certainly is unworthy of pity, otherwise why would they have taken her out.
Posted by: Grizzly at August 15, 2006 06:43 PM (DwFzZ)
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Perhaps not too surprisingly, Grizzly didn't bother to engage his brain before leaving his comments.
Let's see if we can guide him to the relevant part of the picture caption shall we?
An injured Lebanese woman lies in her damaged house
as she waits to be rescued during the first day of ceasefire, at Bint Jbail, east of the port city of Tyre (Soure) August 14, 2006. REUTERS/Zohra Bensemra (LEBANON)
An injured woman
waits to be rescued, and yet, the too-weak-to-move woman:
she is laying on sofa cushions, from furniture that does not appear to come from that roomis laying on a mattress pad covered by a clean blankethas her lower legs covered by a blanket has a bottle of water that appears and disappears by magic.
The obvious fact illustrated by these photos is that this woman was not waiting to be rescued. She was taken care of if ever injured at all, and thus the story presented in these photos is a lie.
Perhaps that is a concept loss on the simple.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 15, 2006 11:39 PM (BTdrY)
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I was thinking about it. And you are right.
I know that if my grandma's house got blown up, I'd heave her onto some cushions (and not the clean ones!), toss a blanket on her, and then leave her to fend for herself.
One thing I know is that old folks will always take advantage of any kindness you show them. That's why I support ending social security. We should just dump them on an island somewhere with a bunch of guns, let them learn what it means to be free.
Rescued? Lazy ingrate has already been rescued! Can't you see the water that she had? What a fake photo!!!!
Posted by: Grizzly at August 16, 2006 10:27 AM (DwFzZ)
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Thank you, Grizzly, for illustrating the point at hand. You wouldn't treat your grandmother that way? Neither would I.
That's the point. The people we are fighting are not us, and not like us. They don't think like us. Most importantly, they don't value life like us.
Well done.
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Sockpuppet: Voice of FREEDOM!!!
Safely hidden in his hidden Brazillian jungle fortress,
sockpuppet sallies forth to warn us of the evils of the
BushCo Mind Control Agenda:
The Bush administration has adopted an array of tactics to control the news, from threatening journalists with criminal prosecution to paying pundits and manufacturing and distributing propaganda videos disguised as taped news segments. One such tactic, used with increasing frequency and obviousness, is that when Bush officials need to do an interview in order to address some brewing crisis, they will sit with only the most sycophantic and Bush-loving "journalists" who will shower them with praise and adoration in lieu of scrutiny and real questions.
Sockpuppet's biggest gripe seems to be that al-Reuters, al-Jazeera, and al-Franken aren't the primary means of distributing information to the world at large. By his estimation, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume and Pamela of the blog "Atlas Shrugs" are the Administration's primary media outlets to the world.
And you know what? He's right.
Sockpuppet cites ironclad evidence showing that Hume was granted an interview with President Bush in September, 2003 and just three years later an interview with Vice President Cheney in February of 2006. Such single-source media domination should not be stood for in a free society.
The blatant right wing domination of the news reared its head again on August 12 as Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice dared to be interviewed by Sean Hannity, only to be followed by Pamela's hour-long interview of Ambassador John Bolten, when he obviously should have been appearing on The View or Al-Manar instead.
These developments have been a huge point of concern for White House Spokesman Tony Snow, long since cut out of the news distribution loop in favor of a mom from New York, a point he made at his last White House Press conference that a now jobless White House Press could not attend.
It is a sad day indeed when politicians are reduced to associating with extremists, as Sockpuppet notes.
A sad day indeed.
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Methinks Lambchop protests too much.
How many pols have been interviewed by Hamsher, Hardin Smith et al at Firedoglake?
How many lefty pols have been allowed to spew on Huffpo and Kos?
Lambchop needs to eat more Brazil nuts and stop getting so hysterical every time he senses one of his enemies is able to open their mouths without some MSM type asking them how many times they've beaten their wives this week.
Posted by: Rick Moran at August 14, 2006 12:35 PM (y6n8O)
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To old to remember the names now...but remember the stink that Pompadour (D. Gregory) put up when he wasn't the first one called during Quailgate. LOL. It never ends.
Posted by: Specter at August 15, 2006 09:28 AM (ybfXM)
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Seems like this guy is laddling out the Koolaide and the leftwingnuts are lapping it up. Its funny to read the comments and see the old "Its all about the JOOOOOS and No War for Oil" mantras trotted out as if they were new and fresh.
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August 12, 2006
A Ringer in Qana?
Ah, Qana... the staged massacre that won't go away.
Bernice S. Lipkin, editor of Think Israel wrote to let me know that I was one of several bloggers cited in her newest article, The Bloggers Take on The Qana Massacre. It's worth a read if you haven't been following the story, and probably a nice way to tie everything together if you have.
Due in part to this article and Kathy Gannon's shamefully lightweight defense of AP's reporting (thinly veiled as an article about Slam Daher, AKA "Green Helmet"), I decided to revisit the Qana photostream on Yahoo!, when I noticed something that hadn't quite caught my eye before.
This photo got my attention.
A female victim is being carried out of the naturally lit, open-air basement. Her legs are covered with a white sheet and her torso with a black one, but an armed encased in a black-full length sleeve all but points at the cameraman.
And on the third finger of her left hand, what do you see?
A simple band of gold. A wedding ring?
Aren't wedding bands are Christian tradition?
The 28 named dead were all reported to belong to the same Shiite Muslim family.
Update: Could be dead wrong on this; I dont know. I figured it was better to put it out there and let folks debate it.
Update: CY reader Bruce sends me this link, which seems to indicate that the use of wedding rings in Muslim culture is a flagrant violation of their cultural norms:
The following are some of the practices that are meticulously carried out during matrimonial affairs despite the fact that they are either expressly forbidden in Shariah, or have no bases in Islam:
The engaged couple meet at a public gathering where the boy holds the girl's hand and slips a ring onto her finger whilst the two look romantically at each other. This act is void of modesty and completely [sic] foreign to Islamic culture. It is furthermore, a flagrant violation of the Quranic Law of Purdah. It is an evil innovation of the godless west , and those indulging in it should take cognizance of the Prophet's stern warning that "those who imitate others will rise on the Day of Judgement as of them".
If this is correct, then the use of wedding rings in the strictly Shiite Hezbollah-dominated culture of south Lebanon very unlikely, begging the question, "where did this body, with an apparent wedding band, come from?"
Now more than ever, I strongly suspect this body, among others, may have been "planted" at Qana.
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There's Christians in Lebanon. Smart bombs don't know the difference.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 12, 2006 03:15 PM (rUHlk)
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The bombs do not make a difference, but people should. A simple application of however limited brain capacity would help.
According to ALL sources reporting from Qana
the victims were sleeping in one basement and belonged to Shiite. It is also well known that the Shiites are responsible for brutal killings of Christians in Lebanon. How come a christian woman would sleep among members of the Shiit family ? A 'multi-cultural media show ?'
Posted by: Peter at August 12, 2006 03:25 PM (5sCbj)
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I really have no idea. Maybe she was seeking shelter from the bombing. Ever been in a bombing? A person will do anything to have a place to hide and probably won't mind who's company they keep to have it. From the picture, I can't tell if it's a man or a woman. (of course that's not unusual, ever been to Denver?) The ring being only a Christian thing is only the mearest speculation on the part of the poster. Unless you were there, you're ALL just guessing. You don't really have any idea what the truth of the matter is either way.
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Well Mike, it may not be exclusively a christian thing, but the question is --
is it a muslim thing?
The answer apparently is its not prohibited, so it may be "it depending on local custom".
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 12, 2006 06:59 PM (c/xwT)
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Most very devout Muslims reject the wearing of wedding rings as haram, forbidden. Not all Muslims may take this tradition as seriously as others, however. Still, the Shiites in Lebanon tend to be exceptionally religious so it does seem very unusual.
Posted by: mike at August 12, 2006 08:16 PM (CRG6u)
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It's not necessarily a wedding band. It may be just a ring period.
More to the point, I can't see any significance.
Posted by: Dean Esmay at August 12, 2006 10:24 PM (S1ka/)
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Posted by: Fab at August 12, 2006 11:00 PM (qDqDD)
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Your headline should read "Ah, Qana... the massacre that shouldn't go away.
We should find out who was responsible and hold them accountable. Even in war there are codes of conduct.
Posted by: ClearwaterConservative at August 13, 2006 06:29 AM (92quE)
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Hezbollah is digging up corpses to parade them as civilian casualties. This means that they are desecrating graves.
You don't think Islamics warriors in Lebanon would desecrate
Muslim graves for their propaganda, do you?
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at August 13, 2006 09:30 AM (5kFGJ)
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Wedding rings (worn on the third finger) are not a christian monopoly. If you have seen pics of a muslim bride in the arab countries, they are dressed in white wedding gowns like in the west. Most have wedding rings - I know several muslims who wear wedding rings.
Steve, what a sick mind to think that 'Hezbollah is digging up corpses to parade them as civilian casualties' - there have been only a few mass graves in Lebanon in recent times. The incessant bombing of anything that moves prevents the people of Lebanon taking their dead to cemeteries for burial.
The attack on Qana civilians was one of the brutal acts in history. Would you have been equally joyfull if something like this happened in Georgia? in If you don't have the moral fiber to condemn the carnage, at least dont desecrate the sanctity of the dead.
Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2006 11:35 AM (nnEcx)
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The attack on Qana civilians was one of the brutal acts in history.
Oh please, you're making me laugh.
Qana is a pimple on the ass of a gnat compared to most things that go on in the world today. Even worse is the fact that it was half fake.
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According to a photographer who has done work for the NY Times in the past, they are indeed digging up bodies for show and tell:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/192229.php
Posted by: mike at August 13, 2006 02:14 PM (CRG6u)
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Joe, it's time to take your head out of the bag, and face the world.
The pathologies of the region will not abate by denying them, nor blaming them on externalities like 'colonialism' or 'Zionism.'
Arabs and Muslims worldwide need to decide
for themselves if they will accomodate
themselves to the modern, global order. In many ways our task as Americans is simply to avoid as much collateral damage to our own populations as possible, while the Arab societies resolve this nasty internal dispute. In fact, all the violence and "lashing-out" from Islamic radicals appear more and more to resemble a big child's temper tantrum. And we just want to be out of the way of the flailing arms and unaimed stones.
Wild proxy attacks on externalities, like civilians in Tel Aviv, New York and Mumbai only distract the middle eastern populace from the fractous
internal debate that the region so badly needs.
-Steve
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Now if my memory is correct there were christians in southern Lebonon. However, they were often treated poorly and some even were supportive of Hezbollah as well. Still this being said, I would not be surprised to see this as a set up photo as well. Perhaps a willing, live western accomplice is the "victim" on the streacher. Or perhaps they are using a dead christians body to ralley support from "those people". The only thing that is sure is that any picture coming from there is suspect and needs to be more or less disregarded from the ranks of truth.
Posted by: Carnivore at August 14, 2006 08:28 AM (Ht3uJ)
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I'm not sure about this one. Osama bin Laden wears a ring, and we all know he's about as fanatical as they come. The 9/11 deniers try to use pictures of him wearing a ring as proof that he is an American 'psy-ops' creation. I'd hate to think that we're going down a trail that was blazed by that that looney bunch. I'm not saying this isn't a good observation. It's just that we're going to need more proof.
Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at August 14, 2006 12:14 PM (vpndg)
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I don't get the fuss about this?
Why would someone put a ring on a dead body? Do you think they flew the hand in from Europe? Many Muslims wear rings. And there are also lots of Christians who got killed by the airstrikes. I don't understand how this is evidence of fakery.
There are lots of dead people in Lebanon these days and the house looks pretty smashed. And airstikes tend to kill indiscriminately. They were bombed for about a month straight.
Are you trying to say that Israel never went to war and that this is all some kind of liberal media conspiracy? If you supported the war, big deal, you got what you wanted. Here's the proof. Pictures of dead people. It's like renting a porno and being scandalized by nudity.
Or is this like Queer Eye for the War Reporter, where you snark at the fashion blunders and poor housekeeping of the deceased? Seriously, this either really loopy tinfoil hat "we never landed on the moon" conspiracy talk... or just a satanic joke that you are playing on dead people.
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Philadelphia Daily Delusions
If I wrote the hare-brained editorial that appeared in the
Philadelphia Daily News today,
I'd want it left unsigned as well.
A fisking, anyone?
THESE PEOPLE have no shame. Their contempt for democracy is so great they will stop at nothing to undermine it. Their adherence to fundamentalist beliefs that blinds them to reality is frightening. They must be stopped.
And that's just the Republicans.
Nothing like getting your mind-numbed partisanship out front.
Let's start with Vice President Dick Cheney.
Yesterday, Cheney bashed those who voted for Democrat Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Senate primary, claiming that these votes would encourage "al Qaeda types" to think that "they can break the will of the American people."
The idea is that since 18-year incumbent Joe Lieberman lost based on his support for Iraq, Americans opposing the war are waving a white flag of surrender to terrorists.
This is stunningly ignorant logic, as well as annoyingly consistent with the Bush administration's fundamentalist myth that Iraq had ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden - a claim by now well-discounted, most notably by a presidential commission.
Mr. Anonymous Editorialist, are you trying to tell us that Ned Lamont's cries to pull the troops home now—exactly what Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Zawahiri, and the late Abu Musab Zarqawi have called for—is not the exact position of the world's leading terrorists?
The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how you try to shade it, the headlong retreat—or "redeployment" or whatever you want to call it—favored by the radical left is precisely what al Qaeda and similar terrorist groups desire. We know that, because they've said so, repeatedly. The only stunning ignorance displayed here is your own ignorance of the fact that both the terrorists and the Democrats agree that they want the U.S to retreat from the Middle East and stop killing terrorists.
Further, it is precisely the headlong "redeployment" that John Murtha called for from Somalia and heeded by Bill Clinton that resulted in the terror attacks of September 11.
Dead terrorists don't cause problems, and retreating from live terrorists inspires them to attempt greater acts of terror. What part of that logic are you incapable of understanding?
In addition, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist has his fingers crossed and hoped no one would actual check his facts, which would reveal that the 9/11 Commission Report did not say that Saddam's Iraq did not have ties to Osama's al Qaeda. In fact, it said something else entirely.
Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime. Bin Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States. Whether Bin Ladin and his organization had roles in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center and the thwarted Manila plot to blow up a dozen U.S. commercial aircraft in 1995 remains a matter of substantial uncertainty.
Communications between senior officers of organizations are ties, ladies and gentlemen, whether or not they cooperated on attacks against the United States.
Iraq may not have played a role in the terror attack against America on 9/11, but al Qaeda and Saddam's Iraq certainly had ties to one another dating back to 1994, as stated by then CIA Director George Tenet:
- Our understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al-Qa'ida is evolving and is based on sources of varying reliability. Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank.
- We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida going back a decade.
- Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression.
- Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.
- We have credible reporting that al-Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire W.M.D. capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al-Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs.
- Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al-Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent U.S. military action.
Since the 9/11 Commission Report was issued, even more documents have shined a light on the connections between al Qaeda, their Taliban hosts, and Iraq. Mr. Anonymous Editorialist can say Iraq had no ties to al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden if he wants, but rational people looking at the still-accumulating evidence will be hard-pressed to draw that same conclusion.
But back to the editorial:
And yet the presidential fog machine has continued to belch out its Iraq-al Qaeda-link fumes to the extent that a recent poll suggests that 64 percent of Americans still believe that Saddam Hussein had strong links to al Qaeda. More people than ever now believe, according to a new poll, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
No ties in the preceding paragraph has been walked back to "strong links" in this one. I've give this to the writer; when it comes to headlong retreat, he practices what he preaches.
It goes without saying that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction; it is a simple incontrovertible fact. He used thousands of them in his 1980-88 war with Iran, and gassed thousands of Kurds in a single four-day strike on Halabja in 1988. Iraq maintained and declared WMD stockpiles at the end of the 1991 Gulf War, and an Iraqi general says his men moved WMDs out of Iraq into Syria in the weeks before our 2003 invasion. Anonymous may discount it, but as evidence slowly accumulates, even more people will believe in Iraq's WMD capability because it did exist, and it was never fully accounted for.
Ironically, the number who believe in the al Qaeda link is almost precisely the same number of Americans - 62 percent - who believe we are bogged down in Iraq.
For Cheney - and other Republicans like GOP National Chairman Ken Mehlman - to suggest that those Americans are encouraging terrorism is reprehensible.
And yet, we have to go back to the essential fact that John Murtha's 1993 call for retreat from Somalia is directly responsible for Osama Bin Laden's decision to attack America. I certainly know it is not the Democrat's intent to encourage terrorism, but that fact—and it is a fact—remains that that is exactly what their position has done, and will continue to do.
Cheney's comments came out a day before British intelligence officials announced they had thwarted a major terrorist attack. Surely Cheney was aware of the plot and the work to thwart it, and was no doubt aware of the timing of yesterday's announcement.
To exploit a very real terror threat that could have led to major casualties, and to even indirectly implicate Americans who were exercising their democratic right by going to the polls and making a choice borders on the criminal, to say nothing of the insane.
Has Cheney completely lost it?
Mr. Anonymous has no shame. While more than eager to attack Cheney for politicizing events, he studiously avoids his own Party's attempts to politicize things as well. Should we wait until his next editorial comes out calling Teddy Kennedy or Harry Reid insane or asking if they have "completely lost it?" Probably not.
The latest terror scare is upsetting enough: It is bound to lead to havoc and chaos both domestically and internationally. It could damage the economy if fears on flying are sustained. It reopens the profound wounds of 9/11, a scab we should figure by now will never completely heal.
But the real terror is this: While our Vacationer- in-Chief and his vice president shut down dissent, and discourage questions about the way our government has directed our intelligence and military resources toward a single target in Iraq, we are no closer to understanding or dismantling the threat of al Qaeda.
They "shut down dissent," eh? I spent all this effect to fisk an overly-dramatic editorial, and the guy who wrote it will be inside a Halliburton-run concentration camp before he can even read this. Darn.
Interestingly enough, it now seems that how our President has led our intelligence and military resources may have had a direct impact in thwarting this latest attack, as the very intelligence programs that the New York Times is trying to destroy may have provided crucial intelligence. Of course, ensconced in irons in a cell somewhere near Allentown, Mr. Anonymous will never know or admit to that.
Cheney's remarks underscore just how unsophisticated our understanding of terrorism is. We have no more understanding of the global forces at work that lead so many to want to bomb and destroy innocent lives than we did five years ago.
America's latest crisis is not what happened in Connecticut; it's what was going to happen in airplanes over the Atlantic.
The immoral and ridiculous claims coming out of the Bush administration's reign of error could ultimately be responsible for the kind of casualties that al Qaeda can only dream of.
Actually, terrorism is very simple to understand. It isn't a matter of nuance. Islamists want the whole world to subscribe to their way of thinking, and those that don't, they want dead. That is why Islam partitions the world into Dar al Islam, the House of Submission for the true beleivers, and Dar al Harb, the House of War, where infidels must convert, or die. It's actually quite straightforward. Even a Sea Monkey can grasp the basic concept, even if a Philadelphia Daily News editorialist finds it too taxing.
Claims don't kill people, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist.
Terrorists do.
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One of the Dems running for congress here, in an ad, talks about "keeping our promises" to our troops and veterans. How about the promise that, once we put our troops in harm's way, we give them everything and every bit of support they need to succeed in their mission?
Posted by: SouthernRoots at August 11, 2006 02:58 PM (jHBWL)
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Here's another
resource to use when debunking claims that everyone
knew prior to the Iraq invasion that Saddam had no WMDs/al Qadea ties.
Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at August 11, 2006 04:06 PM (alXDI)
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I think this editorial got it just right;Cheney's logic is ignorant. Neither he nor you have any basis,none,to call fellow Americans terrorism enablers. Your attempts to parlay weak evidence as a firm basis for action is at least the same, consistently ignorant logic displayed by the Veep. Small wonder you cheer Bush calling three countries the "axis of evil" and then believe him as he attacked the least dangerous of the three. And now,has limited ability to deal with NoKo and Iran because he's spent our capital so foolishly.
Nice try,but no sale.
Posted by: TJM at August 11, 2006 04:46 PM (F9hZP)
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TJM, you need to take a trip around the left side of the blogosphere before you make such inane statements. Or pick up a copy of the New York Times. The biggest terrorist enabler is Pinch Suhlzberger and his right-hand man, Bill Keller. And when you get done, take a look at what is happening today at the United Nations. I would say that forcing Israel into a cease fire is about as enabling as you can get. Appeasement of terrorists is dhimmitude and dhimmitude is enabling. Then there are John Murtha, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Max Cleland, Dennis Kusinich and their MSM mouthpieces, oh and speaking of mouthpieces, Reuters and the AP lead the list. And you might want to take a look at the translated Saddamm documents and some of the history of Iraq, before you call it the "weakest" of the three.
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler) at August 11, 2006 06:15 PM (FwPlP)
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9/11 was not related to Iraq.
Al Queda was not related to Iraq.
By your logic, WE have "significant ties" to Saddam/Iraq, and Bin Laden/Al Queda. Yer' splittin' hairs.
Our foray into Iraq, no matter what the perceived reason at the time (true conservatisim would have kept us from invading based on the lack of a reasonably substantiated relationship between Iraq and 9/11 and/or Al Queda), has been a failure when judged against any criteria - conservative or liberal.
Why would withdrawal NOT be a viable option at this point?
Exactly what is the mission of our troops? Being policemen in the midst of a Civil War? What is gained or lost by leaving? What is gained or lost by staying? More of the same?
We are fighting the wrong war, and the only patriotic thing to do is to redeploy our assets against out true enemies.
Only a looser who refuses to see the facts for what they are sticks with such a dog of a decision. Your support for continuation of this debacle seems to be based primarily on national pride. Pride shouldn't be the basis for such expensive and self-destructive decisions.
Posted by: smafdy at August 11, 2006 08:09 PM (hsxg7)
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My personal opinion on what may help win the war on terror, since everyone always mentions him when discussions arise on the subject, is to make a concerted and honest effort, on the part of all institutions and organiations concerned, even to include any and all individuals interested, to hunt down OSAMA BIN LADEN. FIND HIM, FIND HIM. BRING HIM TO NEW YORK IN IRONS, GIVE HIM A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL TRIAL, AND THEN HANG THAT BASTARD.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 11, 2006 08:30 PM (VYkB5)
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This whole war on terror is pretty interesting: it's over *when* we catch/kill them all. The question is just: all of whom? What's the definition of a terrorist? Are they all muslims? Do they all live in Iraq/Iran/Saudi-Arabia?
"Claims don't kill people, Mr. Anonymous Editorialist.
Terrorists do."
And, if USA kills people, doesn't that make it a terror state?
Killing solves nothing in the long run, not even killing "those damn terrorists". If nothing else, history has proven that right. Eg the first philosopher (how is his name "questionable content"?) was killed, maybe he was called a terrorist in his time as well, but that didn't stop his ideas from spreading.
No matter how hard to try, the only way to really solve any problem is to look at the root causes and find out what *you* are adding to the problem.
The only person you can really change is yourself. Trying to change others has never worked and never will; maybe you should read some Ralph Waldo Emerson or Stephen R. Covey.
Posted by: Arttu at August 12, 2006 05:41 AM (cZFZe)
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Why would withdrawal NOT be a viable option at this point?
Perfectly viable if the image you want to project to terrorists around the world is weakness and vulnerability.
Terrorists, like the Soviet, view the world through a different lense.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 12, 2006 08:01 AM (c/xwT)
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"The only person you can really change is yourself" Lovely sentiment; how do I change myself when I've been turned to ashes in the basement of the World Trade Center? By the way, there are more registered Independent voters in Connecticut then Dems and Republicans combined; so Lieberman is hardly finished.
Posted by: Tom TB at August 12, 2006 10:30 AM (wZLWV)
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Let's get down to brass tacks. It is unquestionably the Right, including Cofederate Yankee, that hates America and wishes the worst for the troops.
The war in Iraq is not in our national interest. I challenge anyone--ANYONE--to make a reasoned, compelling, fact-based argument that explains how I am safer as an American because of the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan is another story--a righteous bust, and one that is being screwed up. I'm talking about Iraq.
If the war is not in our national interest, the deaths of our soldiers are pointless and entirely avoidable.
When the Right argues for the prolongation of the war, they are directly arguing in favor of the continued death of our patriotic men and women in uniform. If you want the war to continue and there's no viable national interest served by it, then all you want is to see our boys and girls killed.
I'm sick to death of the Right telling me what I think and feel. It's my turn. Confederate Yankee, you hate America and everything we stand for. I can tell because you argue in favor of pointless death for the members of our armed services, and you lobby endlessly for the continued undermining of our country's moral high ground. You like torture because it makes America hated around the world, and you like that. I don't know why; I don't understand at all why the Right is so unpatriotic as to want to destroy our position among the family of nations as a beacon of fairness and democracy around the world, but it's what you want. You revel in it.
Finally, what is this bullshit I keep hearing about how the terrorists actually want us out of Iraq, and, thus, ending the war is playing into their hands? Are you freakin' kidding me? The last thing they want is for us to bring our soldiers home to help protect our borders. If we brought our soldiers home and enlisted them in the task of protecting airports and seaports, we would be impregnable. Not a single terrorist would have a chance at doing anything here. They LOVE it that we're over there; that way, they get to kill our soldiers.
Of course, that's the way you like it. I don't know why you and your ilk hate America so much, Confederate Yankee, but you do. It needs to come to an end.
Posted by: Michael at August 12, 2006 11:22 PM (2Iao5)
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Michael:
Calm down, surely you must realize that these people have never served.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 12, 2006 11:33 PM (/0FMj)
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Mike;
17 years and counting in the US Navy doing intelligence and planning operations....you?
Posted by: monkeyboy at August 14, 2006 06:55 AM (w4rJE)
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So, I worked at Greely Hall, wtf, at least I use my own name. I have a plan, where's yours?
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Precarious Road
Michael Yon issues a
stark warning about the growing civil war in Iraq. His comments are disturbing, to put it mildly, but I trust his analysis. We have soldiers and commanders on the ground that know how to succeed, and it seems they are not being allowed to complete their mission.
I've made it apparent in the past that I've had my disagreements with the present Administration, and while I've been impressed with the efforts of our soldiers on the ground, the leadership—primarily the political leadership—seems to have misjudged how best to conduct this war time and again, and quite frankly, seems on the verge of blowing it if they haven't already.
I think it is time for Donald Rumsfeld to consider retiring. He presided over two very successful and very different military invasions in Afghanistan and Iraq, winning each handily with minimal loses to men and equipment on both sides. I think it highly unlikely two countries the size of Afghanistan and Iraq can easily be dispatched as well by any other nation, and Rumsfeld ran two excellent invasion campaigns. The performance of our individual soldiers and commanders on the ground have also been phenomenal as well, and I cannot say enough about their professionalism or the degree of restraint and respect for civilian life with which they have fought these on-going wars.
But I do doubt how our political leadership have run the occupations and rebuilding of Iraq and Afghanistan after we established a large degree of control over these nations. Too many mistakes have been made.
The Sunni insurgency and their al Qaeda allies have been dealt crippling blows during the rebuilding of Iraq, but no rational person with any knowledge of history expects them to completely go away for years to come. But during this same time, Kurdish forces in the north have been allowed to engage in raids into Turkey with little or no repercussions, setting a stage where Turkey may invade northern Iraq. Shiite militias in Baghdad and southern Iraq have been allowed to exist and strengthen ties with Iran. The country is on the verge of collapsing into sectarian genocide, and our political leadership doesn't seem to have the stomach to crack down on these groups with the force necessary to literally kill the private sectarian armies that are ripping the country apart.
The Administration isn't wholly to blame for the situation in Iraq—it is after all their country and they are the ones killing each other—but it is responsible for Iraq to the point where some people have come to view private armies instead of a national government is in their best interests, as many Iraqis obviously do. The person most directly responsible for these failures in Iraq are not the soldiers on the ground, but their senior leadership in the Pentagon, and the man sitting at the desk of the Secretary of Defense. It is his job to run the military's wars, and he has allowed Iraq to reach its present state.
Perhaps it isn't entirely Rumsfeld's fault—he does take orders from the President, after all—but he is most directly in charge of a situation growing increasingly out of control, and I think it is time to have a fresh set of eyes look at the problem, and seek a better resolution. We must win in Iraq, and by "we", I mean the coalition and the Iraqi people. Their lives matter to me. They deserve a chance to live in a society without fear.
We cannot win this war for the Iraqi people by withdrawing. The "nediots" chanting on a Connecticut stage, and mewling around the anti-victory left, refuse to address the genocide that could certainly occur if we heed their calls for a headlong, cowardly retreat. And yet, we cannot win by slowly reacting or failing to act to changing situations. The 25 million people of Iraq deserve the free nation they braved bombs and bullets to vote for, and we owe it to them as much as to ourselves to make sure they succeed.
Our present top level military leadership is failing at that task, and we need fresh eyes on the ball. I thank Donald Rumsfeld for his many years of hard work and dedication to our great nation, but I think it is time for him to pursue other opportunities.
We owe that to our Iraqi allies.
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I appreciate Micheal Yon's percspective, but I disagree with both his and your analysis of the SecDef's role. I'm finishing my third year in the building and haven't seen a single case of him countering the guys on the ground (he does ask some very tough questions of his commanders). Do you expect him to have townhall meetings with all the guys in the field on a weekly basis? Tactical operations require a tactical perspective and the SecDef shouldn't be in that business (and isn't). If there are problems at the operational level, those operational commanders need to fix them. I understand the adage of "the buck stops at the top"; so why not take your shot at POTUS. It would be as off the mark as this one is against the SecDef.
So what would you have your "replacement SecDef" do?
Posted by: Sluggo_f16 at August 11, 2006 10:54 AM (VE5vJ)
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There was an article I read on an Iraqi General that got support from the locals in his area, I can't remember his name but maybe if he had a larger role or we could find a couple more like him.
Support from the Iraqi people could be a lot higher. That would go a long way in helping.
Posted by: Retired Navy at August 11, 2006 12:52 PM (nFSnk)
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CY - My first thoughts after reading this was, "OMG, those damn Lamontites have hacked CY's website too!"
Responsibility and accountability, are 2 words with no meaning in this administration. POTUS, Rummsfield, Chenney, Rove, etc. no one is responsible for what is going on over there. Just the "terrorists". Unfortunately, the only way you have been able tell when someone in this administration is being held "accountable" for their job is when they are given a medal.
I agree that fresh eyeballs are needed but we also need a well articulated, thought out, financially scoped (how and who will pay for this) plan, not 3 second media clips. We stand down when they stand up is a nursery rhyme not a plan. Stay the course is a bumpersticker slogan, not a plan. we can't cut and run is simply pointing out another non-solution, not offering one.
Posted by: matt a at August 11, 2006 01:32 PM (GvAmg)
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Why all the blame on Rumsfeld? Hasn't State had a role in the post-war period? What about the CIA?
Posted by: Robert Crawford at August 11, 2006 01:57 PM (n5eDP)
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Given Rumsfeld's strength in successful invasions, perhaps we need him for a couple more.
While the Long War erodes our liberties at home (mainly because our Politically Correct elites won't concentrate our domestic countermeasures against our Islamist enemies), terrorists abroad create instabilities that raise the price of oil and thereby increase terrorist funding. What America needs is a Short War. And a quick victory in a Short War is well within our grasp, since winning the war on terror requires controlling a relatively small amount of territory occupied by a relatively friendly population.
We can seize our enemies' center of gravity by liberating the oppressed Shia Arab majorities in Iran's Khuzestan province and Saudi Arabia's Hasa province. These provinces also happen to be the sources of the oil that funds the mullahs and sheiks who run the Islamist terror programs. They are compact, and their populations have no love lost for the imperialists in Teheran and Riyadh who seized these provinces in the early 20th century.
The oil revenues could then fund an infrastructure for peace in the Middle East, with funds going to roads instead of nukes and engineering schools instead of madrassas. A coalition of the willing -- an Anglosphere+ Alliance with the US-UK-Australia-Canada-NZ-India + Japan + Germany -- could administer the funds, paying for schools and hospitals and highways throughout the region.
The Khomeinists and the Wahabbis would have a choice of resisting our liberation of those provinces and suffering the consequences in Teheran and Riyadh -- think shock and awe -- or submitting to our control of those limited territories and living in peace with their palaces and offshore bank accounts intact (or with whatever their citizens will allow them to escape with after leading their nations into a disastrous confrontation with the West). They'll probably submit, but if they don't, the Army and the Marines could sweep their forces aside, and our Iraqi allies could help restore order among their Shiite cousins.
The same coalition of the willing could form the nucleus of a new United Democracies organization, withdrawing from the United Nations and setting high standards for membership in the new global community. With control of Persian Gulf oil revenues, this community could offer real benefits to nations that meet membership standards. The Islamist threat would fade with the end of Islamist funding, which has never had anything to do with earned wealth and productivity.
Would any politician embrace using our overwhelming power to convert this Long War into a Short War? It smacks of Teddy Roosevelt, who liberated Panama when it was a Colombian province and Colombia wouldn't let the USA build a canal. Teddy didn't believe in limits on governmental power, which was not such a good thing domestically but earned the USA tremendous respect internationally. As we face radical Islam again, it's time to for a leader to arise who would fulfill a promise "Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead." Donald Rumsfeld, as you rightly note, seems to be the man. If he's been biding his time waiting for the opportunity, we should see that very soon. Both al-Quaida and Hezbollah have given us plenty of reason to go after Saudi and Iranian oil revenues.
Posted by: Mark White at August 11, 2006 04:05 PM (ELhCH)
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GO her
http://www.mnf-iraq.com/
Go her
http://www.defendamerica.mil/
War world 4 Began on sevtember 11. 2001
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I agree with Sluggo and Old Soldier in a certain light: The most significant problems in Iraq aren't of a military nature nor are amenable to a military solution, so firing Rumsfeld isn't likely to change much. Rumsfeld's errors were in the planning of the war and the management of the initial occupation period were extensive, but his ability to influence events are minor at this point.
As I understand it, the problem is not with Iraqi army but with the disparate Iraqi police units. These Shite units compound the Sunni terrorist problem both by recklessly lashing out at Sunnis and more generally by being in the indirect control of corrupt local chieftains.
Unlike Confederate Yankee, I don't think the question here is whether we (US military) have the stomach to crack down on these renegade police units and de facto militias like Sadr's men. Somehow we have to assist the Iraqi government in co-opting these elements into the political process, to divert their energies into more legitimate channels.
It's not an ideal solution, and will require giving these thugs a dignity they don't otherwise deserve. But in my opinion, if the US army cracks down on the militias it risks being seen by the Shites of Iraq (the majority of Iraqis) as agents of the Sunnis. That is not good.
If we are going to choose sides, we should choose now, and relocate a significant force to Kurdistan while the Sunnis and Shites solve their age-old grievances. This might also solve the question of tension on the Turkish border. It's the best solution I've seen so far.
Posted by: Nate at August 11, 2006 06:06 PM (zoPvQ)
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I must whole heartedly agree with CY. Rummy needs to find a new place to go. He FAILED to capture Osama bin Laden when Bin Laden was most vulnerable while on the run in Afghanistan. He FAILED to maintain control over the populace in Iraq early on in the summer of 2003, before an insurgency could organize. We ARE the world's most powerful nation, the world's ONLY superpower. We HAVE the greatest military in the history of Planet Earth. There IS no room for such FAILURE and incompetence. It's time for Donald to take that fishing trip, and leave the business of war to those better suited.
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Posted by: guinsPen at August 12, 2006 11:35 AM (IqvU+)
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I can not figure out how babysitting the Iraqis while they have a civil war helps us fight the war on terrorism.
Posted by: ClearwaterConservative at August 12, 2006 02:07 PM (92quE)
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There is no civil war, they're just shooting each other.
Posted by: Mike Meyer at August 12, 2006 03:19 PM (rUHlk)
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It is not time for the SOD to resign. It's time to get the politicians out of the war. Let the SOD and the more than capable military get the job done. It's extremely hard on the military when 45% of the members of congress are betraying them on a daily basis. And they are betraying the members of the military and causing 75% of the deaths that occur in Iraq. If the idiots would shut up for 60 days the war would be over and the troops on the way home. With the lefties help, god help us all, it'll take 50 years and we'll still lose. Cut and Run is the option of cowards (democrats) and cowards only.
Posted by: Scrapiron at August 13, 2006 08:34 PM (Ffvoi)
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It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault, isn't it?
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Flipside of the Ghost War
I spoke several days ago about the
Ghosts in the Media Machine, and how media coverage of the war between Hezbollah and Israel in Lebanon is heavily slanted in favor of Hezbollah.
Scan the photos coming out of Hezbollah-controlled Lebanon, and you'll see and unending stream of dramatic photos of dead women and children and anguished rescue workers climbing through the remains of bombed-out residential buildings, and you will see heart-rending photos of toys in the rubble. You will see mourning. You will see pain. You will see a civilian infrastructure in tatters.
What you will not see, except in very rare cases, is Hezbollah.
There is a flipside to that coverage as well, coming from the same photostreams. Photographers chronicling the war from the Israeli side of the conflict also seem to have their own agenda, geared toward the same end.
The photos of Israel's participation in this war are interesting in that they are heavily invested in showing the army component of the Israeli Defense Forces in an odd light.
There is an old maxim that says life in any military is very much a "hurry up and wait" prospect, where soldiers experience an existence that intersperses long periods of boredom with short, intense periods of combat. The photos coming out of Lebanon and northern Israel certainly capture the boredom aspect of military life, to an extent that seems contrived. The same photostream that has provided the scenes of dead and dying Lebanese civilians and bombed out buildings shows a IDF army on the ground that seems to spend a considerable amount of time marching in an out of Lebanon, or sitting around waiting for something to happen. Time and again, the photos show soldiers that seem equally spent and bored... or worse. Certainly, a large part of the IDF soldier's life in this war is sitting around waiting for something to happen, but what this war is not providing scenes of IDF soldiers engaged in the intense, often close-quarters ground combat that has caused most of the IDF's casualties and many more Hezbollah casualties on the ground.
We do not see photographers following the IDF into action; we have not a single photojournalist comparable to a Michael Yon following IDF soldiers into close combat. We have no Kevin Sites embedded with IDF forces as they clear enemy villages (as a side note, while Sites was vilified by many for shooting the footage of a U.S. Marine killing a wounded insurgent in Fallujah, the Marines he was embedded with seem to have no hard feeling, and Sites himself certainly had no animus towards the Marines). There are no stories telling of the bravery or selflessness that so many soldiers display in their character in the heart of war, no stories of individual courage, though almost certainly these events have transpired.
Instead, the media covering Israel's army seems focused on showing the bored, the wounded, and the dead. Proof is simple enough to find. At the time this post was written, the first 15 pages of the Yahoo! News photostream showed 57 photos of Israeli soldiers and their families, some of them duplicates.
Eight photos showed Israeli military vehicles driving, nine showed Israeli soldiers walking. 15 pictures showed Israeli soldiers sitting, or otherwise stationary. Four photos showed wounded IDF soldiers being evacuated. Nineteen photos--the most of any category--were focused on the death of Israeli soldiers and the anguish of their families and friends. One photo showed an IDF artillery round being fired.
Only one photo--a single, solitary photo--showed an IDF soldier in action.
If the IDF itself is not allowing media to accompany soldiers into Lebanon, this perception of a feeble, ineffective army is proof that the IDF itself does not know how to fight a postmodern media war, and the Israelis have only themselves to blame. If, however, the IDF will allow embedded photographers and journalists to accompany their army into Lebanon (and the photo linked above of an IDF soldier advancing in Qlai'a suggests that it does), and the media is refusing to either accompany IDF forces, or else refuses to distribute the stories and images they gather, then we have something else entirely.
An argument can be made that the media photos coming out of Lebanon and Israel of the IDF's ground forces are meant to show an ineffective force that spends most of its time sitting around doing very little when it isn't burying its soldiers. Obviously, "something" is occurring between the sitting and the dying, and the world's media is failing to tell that story.
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Maybe it's hard to get dramatic action shots of an army that does most of its killing with 155mm howitzers miles from the front line, F-16s making high-altitude bombing attacks, and unmanned drones piloted from who knows where (but presumably somewhere safe).
Methinks the IDF has developed an aversion to firefights.
Posted by: Dan at August 11, 2006 10:54 AM (VRb5p)
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Ignorant much, Dan?
Read up a bit on the news. The Israelis have been mounting commando raids and taking Hezbollah strongpoints with ground forces.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at August 11, 2006 01:58 PM (n5eDP)
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Dan,
You're right, those cowards, they are nothing like Hezbollah soldiers who personally carry the bombs into the marketpleces to blow the civilians up. And they take great pains in seeing that the hundreds of missles shot daily, hit only military targets.
Idiot.
Posted by: Pat at August 11, 2006 02:24 PM (6oYv5)
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Your ignorance is grandiose
Try reading some books about IDF instead of groaning stupidities
Yes,,I forgot that lefties hate books...
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Noting really wrong with this photo out of Lebanon, but the caption is, well, slightly misleading:
Palestinians, in the Bedawi refugee camp near the port city of Tripoli in north Lebanon, collect leaflets dropped by Israeli warplanes August 10, 2006. REUTERS/Omar Ibrahim
Just normal, everyday Palestinians. On a stroll with AK-47s assault rifles and military load-bearing equipment (LBE) to carry more rifle magazines and grenades, like they would in say, New York or London.
Reuters: the gift that keeps on giving.
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I find it ironic that lefturds support the right of Paelostinians to bear arms, which they use to kill innocent people, contrary to the law of the land in which they live, but do not support our right to bear arms for self-defense as enumerated in the Second Amendment.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 11, 2006 01:58 PM (v3I+x)
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Put dark sunglasses on the guy in the white hat, and he will look just like AK-47 guy at the burning pile of tires.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 02:15 PM (7teJ9)
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See, those peace-loving Palestinians are simply picking up the litter that the evil Joooooos dropped all over the place. Just one more reason why the left supports them. They care about our planet!
Posted by: wiserbud at August 11, 2006 02:48 PM (AQGeh)
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I'll bet they take those leaflets back to the refugee camp an over in to the town to make sure everybody gets the warning. Huh?
Posted by: B Moe at August 11, 2006 03:27 PM (0tmWI)
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Refugee camp? Wide open field lined with 20-year tree growth and apartment buildings is a refugee camp? Large, wide open field.
AK-47 with stylish top and designer blue jeans, in a 'refugee camp'?
Hair gel, the guy with the AK-47 is using hair gel, styled gel'd curls. In a refugee camp? Styled hair with gel in a refugee camp?
Am I missing something here?
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Stern, But Stupid
German
Confederate Yankee reader Niko translates this response from a letter to the photo editor of
Stern magazine, a major German news magazine. The Editor-in-Chief, Andreas Trampe,
attacks the reader for questioning
Stern about "Green Helmet" (article translation available at
EU Referendum), the designated dead baby carrier for Hezbollah in Lebanon since 1996:
Dear Mr ...,
As Editor-in-Chief of Stern's Picturedesk I write this in response to
your harsh letter dating from August 5th, 2006. So what is it that you
don't like about our reporting? What do you find lurid about that
report [i.e. the initial report depicting Green Helmet as "some rescue
worker"]? In the first two pages we show the carnage and victims in
Qana, the next two depict the carnage and victims in Haifa. The
following picture pages are equally balanced, even more so the text
which, obviously, you didn't bother to read. There's no dispute that
the Israeli air raid on that building in Qana did happen, there's also
no dispute that it caused a lot of civilian victims. So what's wrong
about that? What about it appears to be staged? Did Hezbollah dare the
Israelis to conduct the air raid in your opinion? Did Hezbollah
initiate the bomb raid on their own? Did the Palestinian [sic!]
civilian casualties never happen? Where's the faking? We did not
conduct a story about Green Helmet Ali, even less so a lurid one! That
man is featured in just a single picture and a single caption. Even if
that man were indeed to parade dead children intentionally before the
eyes of the world, those children were dead nonetheless, killed in the
raid. And sadly, they won't rise again even when fervent supporters of
Israel's politics pull out red herrings to distract from actual
events.
Your accusations of anti-Semitism on our part, or that we were hoping
for the destruction of Israel, are the biggest bullshit I've heard in
a long time (leaving aside the fact that it's factually wrong).
Israeli victims are to be bemoaned equally, the death of people in
Haifa and Jerusalem is lamentable in the same way. But crude
conspiracy theories seem to be the latest trend. Thanks to upstanding
internet bloggers. They're sitting in Norway, England or Germany, and,
of course, they're much more intelligent, smart and incredulously
independent. They possess knowledge of remote locations and events,
they're capable of classifying complex matters and doing quick
research. There you go, brave new digital world !!!
We, however, prefer to do it the old way, we send journalists and
photographers around the world for large sums of money so that they
can speak on location and directly to the people. For instance, with
Green Helmet Ali, who will answer those allegations put out, and he'll
tell our readers where he's from, what's his name, and what actually
happened on that day in Qana. That, of course, you won't find
originally reported in internet blogs. What you will find, though, is
some super post from some smartass guy about how Green Helmet Ali once
again fooled the whole world because, in actual fact, he's a secret
agent of Hezbollah. I hope you enjoy the reading.
Andreas Trampe
stern Bildredaktion / stern picturedesk
PS What was it again about intelligence and ideology?
Andreas Trampe
Stern-Picturedesk
Am Baumwall 11
20444 Hamburg
Phone: +49-40-3703-4122
Fax: +49-40-3703-5685
Mail: Trampe.Andreas@stern.de
Editor-in-Chief Trampe tells us that the crude analysis and questions brought about by bloggers about the incident in Qana isn't up to the standards of the highly trained, well-paid media on the front lines of the war in Lebanon.
Perhaps Trampe should save his self-righteous indignation, at least until he can explain this video footage (from German TV, no less) of "Green Helmet" directing the body of a child to be pulled from an ambulance, placed on a stretcher, and then paraded in front of the media.
I have no doubt that the fine media reporters and photographers in Lebanon are paid "large sums of money" as the editor states, but you might think that someone being paid so much might feel the obligation to tell the entire story, at least as long as they are unbiased, as these many Arab Muslim stringers covering a war with Israel certainly are. Of course, I'm just trying to clarify complex matters by doing quick research from another country, so what do I know?
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Meanwhile, in the Psychosphere...
As details emerge on today's foiled mass murder plot from members of the Religion of Peace, most people are thankful that the attacks were thwarted and that many of those involved in the plot have either been arrested or are on the run.
Of course, that would be most normal people.
The Jim Jones wing of the Democratic Party smells a conspiracy.
Although it may not be a "cry wolf" situation, I am skeptical because of the timing.
Granted the timing would have been better for BushCo, Inc. for this to break prior to Holy Joe's spanking in CT, it still fits in the every other year (just before elections) pattern of TERROR!!!! alerts.
Or am too cynical?
Comment by BuzzMon
Yeah, yeah, yeah, even if this is real, the timing is a political event. (9/11 redux.) I'm both skeptical and jaded. Bojinko!
Comment by eCAHNomics
Damn Brits. They weren't supposed to run this op until two weeks before the election!
Comment by Castor Troy
From the latest AP story, he're the key line:
"Officials said the government has been aware of the nature of the threat for several days."
In other words, instead of warning people a few days ago when they would have been out of harm's way, they created maximum inconvenience at a time of maximum danger for maximum effect after setting the whole thing up with tony snow's press conference yesterday.
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I guess the 2006 election season has now officially begun
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These comments are just a few representative excerpts from one popular liberal blog, but they mirror the comments made by many others.
It would seem a sizable portion of the Far Left thinks George Bush and Tony Blair engineered a massive al Qaeda terrorist plot to punish liberals for selecting Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Democratic Primary. What, you haven't heard that one yet? Don't worry.
You will. They did.
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That mindset makes no sense to me.
It's too early to make an impact on the Nov election.
It's too late to take away anything from the CT election.
It happened in England, not here so it doesn't reflect on our DHS but thiers. (Good Job Brits by the way, keep up the good work).
How does this exactly help BushCo? (Other than we caught some more bad guys proving there is terrorists out there that is).
Posted by: Retired Navy at August 10, 2006 10:54 AM (lNB+R)
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This post is in violation of Kevin's Law:
"If you're forced to rely on random blog commenters to make a point about the prevalence of some form or another of disagreeable behavior, you've pretty much made exactly the opposite point."
See this post by Kevin Drum for a fuller explanation:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_08/009318.php
Posted by: Nate at August 10, 2006 02:46 PM (UlkGh)
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"Kevin's Law," huh? Did you actually read it, Nate?
...if the best evidence of wackjobism you can find is
a few anonymous nutballs commenting on a blog, then the particular brand of wackjobism you're complaining about must not be very widespread after all.
This wasn't a "few anonymous nutballs" when I grabbed these quotes from the Carpetbagger report, it was a prevailing theme, even though the blog proprietor said
nothing in his post to prompt them into going this way. They chose to be conspiracy theorists when completely unprompted.
What about John from Americablog? He isn’t an anonymous person in the comments, but a very popular left wing blogger—mainstream for your side.
The corollary to KevinÂ’s Law is BobÂ’s Razor, which is simply this:
When the evidence of “whackjobism” isn’t a few anonymous comments, but is instead a widely held belief that largely goes unchallenged within that community, then the most logical assumption is that that belief is widely held by that community.
The long and the short of it is that "Kevin's Law," by its own definition, doesn't apply.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at August 10, 2006 03:13 PM (g5Nba)
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It would seem a sizable portion of the Far Left thinks George Bush and Tony Blair engineered a massive al Qaeda terrorist plot to punish liberals for selecting Ned Lamont in the Connecticut Democratic Primary.
Sheesh! These people are so self-absorbed, all about them and their issues. I wonder when their leaders will get around to telling them that GWB IS NOT RUNNING again. And I can't wait until they catch up to the press conference from the Brits this morning saying that this terror plot had been under close surveillance for months, including tracking
thru financial records
Posted by: Sara (Squiggler) at August 10, 2006 03:47 PM (FwPlP)
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Whenever something like this happens, the timing is always believed to help Bush. People cast around for some reason why the supposed burst in popularity it gives him came at some critical moment. The critical moment might be something happening legislatively, something happening militarily, something happening electorally, or something that helps our foreign policy PR with a key ally. Whenever the terrorists illustrate their evil, there's always something around that can be waved to show that it benefits Bush.
There is only one conclusion to draw from this. Reality benefits Bush.
Posted by: Assistant Village Idiot at August 10, 2006 07:44 PM (EabgM)
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Bush and everybody aside, we still have Aug 22-27 to be concerned with, Muslims deal in numerology and that's the night Muhammed got on a strange horse and there was a bright light over Jerusalem when he vaulted into the air and up to heaven. (he was really dead in a 9 year olds arms) but so what, if it is a good day to explode a bomb over Israel, so what.
I'm glad Israel is fighting against it (Islam that is). I heard a submarine or two off of the coast of Iran. Get those virgins ready, there might have to be millions of them.. Think of Allah's costs in make-up and Burkas?
Posted by: Lansing at August 10, 2006 10:32 PM (BJYNn)
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I question the timing. Of the Democrats. Fresh off a primary victory in a solidly blue state where there candidate received a whopping 52% of the vote, the loony left immediately drinks deeply from the my-head-is-in-my-ass Kool-Aid, puts on its Helter-Skelter mask and then proceeds to shriek nonsensically like a spider monkey on crystal meth.
And this is how they think to drum up public support just when things
might be breaking their way politically? Apparently Karl Rove's reach is longer than even I had thought.
Posted by: physics geek at August 11, 2006 08:21 AM (KqeHJ)
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Clearly Rove is falling down on the job. If he was on top of things this plot would have been revealed the day before the primary, not the day after. Obviously an error like this is deserving of a frog-march.
Posted by: Jane at August 11, 2006 08:47 AM (uGLhr)
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The navel gazers see only connections having to do with their guilt-ridden, America sucks, and highly narcisistic view of the world. I should know, I used to be a far-lefty, someone who put myself way above main-stream politics.
Posted by: Christie at August 11, 2006 11:05 AM (zho4B)
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Of course the lefties think this was staged to help Bush. Every time Clinton's poll numbers dwindled or Ken Star was preparing news conference, our military would start bombing someone. They don't like it because it is something they think only Democrats should be allowed to do. Like gerrymandering districts.
Posted by: Tom D at August 11, 2006 12:13 PM (lSJnL)
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If the London incident is a real plot to blow up planes then it should be taken very seriously.
However, discovering a plot to blow up 20 airplanes using unspecified "liquid explosives" in an act that is “suggestive of al Qaeda” and happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient.
Posted by: ClearwaterConservative at August 12, 2006 07:50 AM (92quE)
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happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient.
Britain, Italy, and Pakistan are all Republican enablers? They conspired with the Bush administration to punish the Dem party for defeating a pro-war politician?
Ok. Got it.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at August 12, 2006 04:22 PM (jHBWL)
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I don't think anybody claimed that Bush created the plot. The idea was simply that the administration pushed for prematurely revealing the plot for political purposes. Bush has exploited many crises to advance his agenda based on fear and threat.
Posted by: Dale at August 16, 2006 04:08 PM (2aU7t)
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ConYank
I'm flattered that you used my post. And I fail to see how anything my fellow Carpetbaggers I said hasn't proven true. In fact, the White House has been thrown into an increasingly ugly light.
--The White House encouraged the Brits to move even though the supposed terrorists weren't an imminent threat (no plane tix, no passports) and the Brits felt that sustained surveillance would be valuable.
--The night before the roundup, the Bush Administration and its mouthpieces trumpeted the fact that a vote for Lamont was a vote for Osama.
--None of the people arrested has been charged.
--Many of the restrictions on travellers have been lifted.
--This type of attack was predicted years ago, but nothing was done to prevent it. These suspects have been under surveillance for months and no precautions were put in place.
That Olbermann can show a dozen instances when precisely this type of fear marketing was done to promote the War on Terror (TM), only proves that this is a hoary campaign--and one that is proving increasingly ineffective. Bush remains in the mid-30s, which is probably his political specific gravity.
As to those who don't understand our mindset, you also don't seem to understand that you are Barnum's "some of the people all of the time."
Posted by: angry young man at August 16, 2006 05:53 PM (2yIW/)
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Let me add this from one of your own, someone who frustrates with his desperate attempts to believe in Bush despite all evidence to the contrary, Andrew Sullivan. It seems that even he no longer has any love for him:
"The British authorities have produced no evidence so far. If the only evidence they have was from torturing someone in Pakistan, then they have nothing that can stand up in anything like a court. I wonder if this story is going to get more interesting. I wonder if LiebermanÂ’s defeat, the resilience of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the emergence of a Hezbollah-style government in Iraq had any bearing on the decision by Bush and Blair to pre-empt the British police and order this alleged plot disabled. I wish I didnÂ’t find these questions popping into my head. But the alternative is to trust the Bush administration.
"Been there. Done that. Learned my lesson."
Posted by: angry young man at August 16, 2006 07:06 PM (2yIW/)
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"However, discovering a plot to blow up 20 airplanes using unspecified "liquid explosives" in an act that is “suggestive of al Qaeda” and happening a day after the defeat of a pro-war politician is a little too convenient" (from ClearwaterConservative)
Unfortunately, these guys DO NOT keep written records of their deeds or orders for an investigator to search. They DO NOT file their acts and DO NOT act as we are used to by our own hierarchy. In case of street gangs, do you expect the police to come up with written orders of aggression against a rival gang? Or to produce written evidence on the pipe bombs used to blow the head off the rival gang's leader? The guys we're dealing with are in the same biological species - only worse. Thus, relying on "shared info" can - and WILL, sometimes - produce blunders, misconducts or false allegations regarding an individual.
But, since the terrorists seem to know all too well how to use our system (both legal and civil) against us, what solution do YOU propose to counter the plainjacking (or any other "deed" they might plot)? I can't see a better one - not now, anyway.
Posted by: cottonbud at August 17, 2006 03:57 AM (60u/X)
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I'm flattered that you used my post. And I fail to see how anything my fellow Carpetbaggers I said hasn't proven true.
Oh
really?
I guess the fact that MI5 has
this evidence does nothing to quiet the nutroots:
infiltrated the bomb factory itself and found both the liquid explosives and the detonators;had planted bugs in the homes of the terrorists, capturing house of evidence on tapecompiled video, audio, and photo evidence from on-going, 24-hour surrveillance of the suspects
They did everything but get their easily-acquired fake passports and buy tickets, and I think that having explosives and hours of recorded evidence, if true, is quite enough to put them in jail for quite a long time.
And for the record, Andrew Sullivan can claim to be a conservative if he wants (he could
claim to be a an Eskimo Pie, but that doesn't make him dessert, just crazy), but a simple reading of his collected works of say, the last six months, reveals a man who is anything but conservative, and increasingly wandering further out into the uncharted wasteland's of Alex Jones fizzled mind.
Feel free to claim him as your own. Few real conservatives will.
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By now, I'm relatively certain you've heard of a immense terror plot that has been foiled in Great Britain, where between 6-10 international flights (some early reports stated as many as 20) from Great Britain to the United States were targeted for attack. The plotters were apparently intent on using liquid explosives disguised as beverages to detonate the flights in mid-air.
United, American, and Continental flights to New York, Washington DC, and California were specificly mentioned as being targeted. As many as 50 suspected terrorists may have been involved in the plot, and it is not clear if all have been captured. Follow media reports and blog reaction to this story at Pajamas Media and Hot Air. Ace has good round up as well.
So, what do we make of this?
First, we're still short of a lot of details. What we can say with a fair degree of certainty is that a group of Muslim terrorists attempted to carry out the mass murder of western civilians on a scale that, if it had been successfully carried out, could have exceeded the carnage of September 11, 2001. The number of casualties would have been determined not only by the number of people onboard the targeted planes, but also where the terrorists decided to detonate the planes. A bomb detonated on a plane over the Atlantic would most likely kill only those on board; a plane detonated shortly after takeoff or landing on a flight path over populated areas could have the potential to take lives on the ground, as did American Airlines Flight 587 when it crashed into Belle Harbor, Queens, after taking of from JFK International Airport in New York on November 12, 2001.
We also know that this plot is very similar to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's disrupted al Qaeda plot to bomb 11 planes in the mid 1990s.
More as this develops.
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No one should be surprised to learn that the fools at the
Democratic Underground are already referring to this as a phony story to gin up support for Blair and Bush.
What a bunch of left-wing kooks!
Posted by: Retired Spy at August 10, 2006 10:03 AM (Xw2ki)
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Now this means we have one more thing to do in the security line, drink from your water bottle. And you will not be allowed to bring in liquids. So security in ramped up.
Wrong.
Even now with the hysteria that only government can cause, you could bring just about any type of weapon or explosive on a plane. This case is a good example of the fact that you have people trying to find and use all the angles to hurt us. More security will not help, just as it did nothing to stop 9/11. The danger to us is that we a lulled into believing that it is doing something and watching as our rights are systematically stripped away.
The answer. Profiling. That is the number one short term answer to the security issue. The long term solution is to eliminate the ability of the average Muslim to travel, enter the country, or carry on in a normal manner in this or any other country. In short define our war as not against terrorism but against Islam. Our leaders don't seem to get the message. This is racist and hate filled, so maybe I will be offered a seat in the UN.
I can guarantee that if something happens to those I care about, then war will be declared on the Muslim population!!
Posted by: David Caskey at August 10, 2006 11:51 AM (6wTpy)
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Whoa, David. That is really a scary thought. Just condemn and attack ALL Muslims?
I think I will just stay home or drive my car. I may get caught in the cross fire on an airliner, caught between you and a Muslim.
Posted by: Retired Spy at August 10, 2006 12:43 PM (Xw2ki)
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They've already pretty much declared it on us.
To the PC croud, yes there probably are some that mean us no harm, but as far as Profiling goes, I agree with David and my mind won't change until something else comes along to show me different.
That also doesn't mean not to watch out for regular loons either.
Posted by: Retired Navy at August 10, 2006 01:02 PM (elhVA)
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I agree with David and Retired Navy. So when do we invade England and wipe out the largest non-middle eastern population of Muslims? I'm thinking not until after the mid-term elections...
Posted by: matt a at August 11, 2006 08:28 AM (GvAmg)
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In the us , a group of homeless , unemployed , known mentally ill young black men , were infiltrated by a federal agent;
who suggested a the sears tower in chicago be targeted for destruction as sybmolism against america
these men having no education, money , negligble history of violent crimes, ammunitons guns etc
thought this would be a good idea, and were arrested;
in the febrile american mind this registers as " a foiled terroist plot'
i am not a liberal
Posted by: mzzike at August 12, 2006 06:17 PM (y6n8O)
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August 09, 2006
Lamonticide
As I hoped they would, Democratic primary voters in Connecticut unleashed "nedrenaline" on an unsuspecting American public last night, as the single-issue candidate Ned Lamont beat long-time Democratic Senator Joe Liebermann by four percentage points.
Liberals are of course loving this, one even dropping in a taunting comment in my last post on the primary race,"Scared to death, aren't you?"
Err, not quite.
The Lamont victory, which may be known in years to come as the "Lamonticide" of the Democratic Party, is precisely what conservatives would have hope for if we were voting (and judging by the number of new voters and voters who switched parties prior ot the election, we may have) in Connecticut last night. Lamont's vicotry speech chant of "troops out now!" with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton over either shoulder couldn't have been scripted better if it had been written by Ann Coulter and filmed by Rush Limbaugh. It was the perfect re-introduction of a McGovernite Democratic party as it would occur in Karl Rove's dreams.
Shlock waves rippled across the country almost immediately. A giddy Kos immediately said Senator Joe Lieberman is not a real Democrat, and proclaimed he should to be stripped of his committee appointments.
New York Times editorial this morning fatally misunderestimated the average American's intelligence as it tried to label the Daily Kos/Code Pink/Cindy Sheehan fringe "moderates," while fellow "moderate" Michael Moore, in all of his bloated myopia, issued a threat to all Democratic congressmen and senators that they better play by the rules of the radical left, or else.
Ned Lamont's win has galvanized the netroots and encouraged the progressive movement's most partisan fringe to bring forth their most barbaric yawps.
It is, in short, a disaster in the making. Moderate voters to retch as the netroot's most vile proponents are thrust on stage. By the time November rolls around and moderate Democrats and independents flee the now-radicalized left that has run roughshod over the exclusionist Democratic Party, the radicals will too late learn that the active ingredient in "nedrenaline" is syrup of ipecac.
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Speaking of the two stoogies, why were Jesse and Al there in the first place? Neither of them live in Connecticut. I know why - "we help you now, you help u$ later" If elected, Lamont will help fund some of their causes for their support in the primary. Connecticutians will not only see more money disappear before it reaches their wallets but it will be going out of state as well. If this happens, I'll be laughing my *ss off. I hope Neddy gives all the taxpayers' money to Al and Jesse. LOL.
Posted by: bws at August 09, 2006 08:15 PM (i1im8)
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I'm sure you're just about to write the same story about Rep Schwarz who lost a primary to his hard-right opponent, right?
Oh, and I'm sure that since this is such a "disaster" for the Democrats, the Republicans should have no trouble holding on to their majorities in both houses come November.
I mean if they lose seats, how, exactly is this a disaster? I await your (cribbed from some of the more intelligent conservative blogs) answers.
Posted by: beedlebaum at August 10, 2006 04:27 PM (vENsJ)
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