Confederate Yankee: Because liberalism is a persistent vegetative state.

September 20, 2008

Huff-Po Writer Declares Imminent Coup; Openly Suggests Revolution

The imminent coup is coming from the Bush Crime Family, of course, and the revolution must come from left wing "patriots" if the Democratic Congress doesn't immediately begin impeachment proceedings.

No, I'm not kidding. She's serious as a heart attack:

As I see it now, we have but two options and I have long alluded to hoping against hope that one of these options would not be the only one left to a peaceful people. The first and frankly most preferable option is for Congress to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against the members of this latest Business Plot.
No time needs to be wasted on hearings as we already now have in writing, formally as presented to Congress, the intentions of this administration to nullify Congressional powers permanently, to alter Judicial powers permanently, and to openly steal public funds using as blackmail the total collapse of the US economy if these powers are not handed over. You do see how this is blackmail, do you not? You do see how this is a manufactured crisis precisely designed to be used as blackmail, do you not?
The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution. But, If Congress won't act in its own self-defense, in the defense of democracy, in defense of us - the people who have elected them to protect us from this very danger - then what is left for us to do? I don't want to see it come down to this, but I fear that it will.

It doesn't appear that the most extreme elements of the far left are willing to risk the possibility of losing another election.

I can only hope the lawful authorities are monitoring such enticements towards insurrection with all due seriousness, and find a nice, well-lit and cheery cell for those who require one.

Update: In an update, Alexandrovna is furiously trying to claim that what she wrote didn't mean what she so clearly did, and claims I must be " near ready to call 911 and report me to the secret police," before snorting that I must be "taking heroine with his [my] coffee."

Now not to brag, but yes, I've taken a heroine or two in my day.

What I haven't done is get tanked on Smirnoff (or perhaps heroin) and angrily belched out that there should be an immediate impeachment, or else:

The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution.

Words mean things, even if the writer later claims that they don't, and the thought of taking responsibility for those words becomes too much to bear.

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1 funniest stuff I have ever read. Imagine Code Pink rising in violent revolution! Zeee rabblelution!!! wtf, these ninnies can't pull 500 people at the conventions and burn a trash can without whining about the cops spraying them with tear gas.

Posted by: DaMav at September 21, 2008 12:25 AM (X2qWM)

2 When I go down the long list of Draft dodgers and Chicken Hawks who belong to the Republican party (starting with old Mr Trickle Down Reagan himself), come a revolution, my moneys on the left.

Posted by: Mutanan at September 21, 2008 01:45 AM (EdT3c)

3 I'm actually being referred by that hare-brained Alexandrovna. These folks keep getting more whacked by the hour, but you're right, she needs a cell, and a padded one at that.

Posted by: Americanecon at September 21, 2008 02:01 AM (7iSwk)

4 Aren't they revolting enough?

Posted by: bwbandy at September 21, 2008 02:30 AM (gOGoA)

5 Heh, just smiling, thinking about Huffington trying to sneak a weapon of some sort into smelling distance of George Bush. She really does live in a dream world.

Posted by: Carolynp at September 21, 2008 02:31 AM (vTwLU)

6 Even us liberals don't pay attention to anything at Zsa Zsa's place anymore.

Posted by: myiq2xu at September 21, 2008 04:49 AM (RaKtF)

7 So they metrosexuals are going to - what? Loot Abercrombie & Fitch, burn down Restoration Hardware, trash a Starbucks? Yeah, that'll bring down the Chimperor.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at September 21, 2008 06:17 AM (Vcyz0)

8 You, sir, are an idiot.

Posted by: buffy at September 21, 2008 06:19 AM (OLKrw)

9 Classic agitprop, and revolution. Allege intolerable conditions, and then claim that you are "forced" to take up arms. Yawn.....

Posted by: Bill Smith at September 21, 2008 07:34 AM (ITo1P)

10 It is time we did something about this administration. Those of you dissing the dissidents would have been strong supporters of King George in 1776, just like you are now. We are the dissidents and we see an out of control central government which has strayed from the Republic designed by our founders. We have the obligation and the right to attempt to help correct the ship of state as it falls into corruption and dictatorship. This massive bailout of financial institutions was totally preventable and was caused by the most fiscally irresponsible president in history(I won't capitalize the p for him).

Posted by: OctaviaA at September 21, 2008 07:56 AM (lgwyZ)

11 Perhaps what they are worked up about is this little line from the draft of the bailout proposal: Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency. Got it? The people who already flushed a couple trillion down the toilet, those same folks would now like another $700T, with no strings attached whatsoever. And of course, the draft says "$700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time", so it's open-ended. So yeah....... some of us are quite pissed off. Aren't you? If not, why? I'm genuinely curious.

Posted by: montysano at September 21, 2008 07:57 AM (sTPjZ)

12 Even us liberals are paying attention to this article!!!

Posted by: Big Dan at September 21, 2008 08:13 AM (7i8Df)

13 First they have to get up, avoid all the pizza boxes, get through mom yelling at them to clean up the basement, and then finally hitting the streets. Not gonna happen.

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 21, 2008 08:23 AM (kNqJV)

14 And for the intellectual midgets here the fannie mae and freddie mac problems are almost entirely democrat induced. McCain and Bush have tried to get some regulations on them for years (and they're anti regulation so you know how bad it must have been) but far left wing fanatical nutjobs like Charlie Rangel and upChuck Shumer have been blocking any regulations at all. Too much easy money going to democrats like Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, and name any democrat congressman.

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 21, 2008 08:28 AM (kNqJV)

15 My standard response to idiots, like Alexandrovna, who assert that we're already living under a Fourth Reich is: "Well, if that's the case, why aren't you already behind barbed wire...and why am I not guarding you?"

Posted by: MarkJ at September 21, 2008 08:40 AM (IKzfP)

16 "and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." Yep. Article 3 of the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the right to preclude SCOTUS from having any judicial review in certain cases. But the folks at HuffPo have actually read the Constitution they would so readily take to the streets to defend, haven't they? I'd expect much shouting and stomping of feet when the revolution comes. And maybe a drum circle, then we'd know they were serious.

Posted by: SamHall at September 21, 2008 09:59 AM (c14cm)

17 It's the last flail at their persecution complex. they can only screech "BUUUUUSHHHHH is coming to get MEEEEEEEE!!!!1111!!" for 4 more months before they become total loons.

Posted by: Techie at September 21, 2008 10:03 AM (vcDkn)

18 It is time we did something about this administration. Those of you dissing the dissidents would have been strong supporters of King George in 1776, just like you are now. We are the dissidents and we see an out of control central government which has strayed from the Republic designed by our founders. We have the obligation and the right to attempt to help correct the ship of state as it falls into corruption and dictatorship. This massive bailout of financial institutions was totally preventable and was caused by the most fiscally irresponsible president in history(I won't capitalize the p for him). Posted by: OctaviaA at September 21, 2008 07:56 AM You misunderstand. I think we were all laughing at the thought of you actually doing anything other than screeching and whining about anything. If you want someone to talk to about your paranoid delusions, get a psychiatrist.

Posted by: Carolynp at September 21, 2008 10:12 AM (vTwLU)

19 Octavia, Your own words condemn you. "Preventable?" Yes. There has, indeed, been corruption, but you are so uneducated, so agendized by the Left, and so DUMB that you cannot see what is right in front of your screeching face: it is your heroes who've been looting Fannie, and Freddie, and many other corrupt acts. Now, go paint your signs, your revolution awaits!! HeeHee

Posted by: Bill Smith at September 21, 2008 10:37 AM (ITo1P)

20 HuffPo comments aside ... It's funny how right-wing simpletons don't even have the basic intelligence required to understand what is happening. Let me explain it for you, since you are not well-equipped intellectually. The American taxpayer is now assuming responsibility for the for the liabilities column on Wall Street's balance sheet. Private profit. Public cost. I'll leave it to you NASCAR fans to look up the definition of "balance sheet". No, you probably won't. Better to get drunk, watch NASCAR, and blindly wave the flag. Morons.

Posted by: Bill Hicks at September 21, 2008 10:46 AM (f5ENX)

21 I think a leftist revolution would be great. They would strap on their Ipod's, queue up their favorite RATM song, and we will check arms, load magazines, power up the laser sights, and reduce the nations Leftist population by millions while suffering only those casualties that can be inflicted by an acoustic guitar and a large expressicino. Sorry, Commies. We got the guns, AND the numbers. We sit around and TALK about ammunition. Your gangster friends may have a Glock 9 mm, we can field strip our AR-15's and Ruger Minis with our eyes closed. You'd lose if you tried to take over Minnesota. The population of Pilot Point, Texas is better armed and has more military veterans than the entire Huffington Post/Dkos, Msnbc, readership-viewership. My point is; Try it, please please please!!!

Posted by: the elector of saxony at September 21, 2008 10:52 AM (5SkDk)

22 "Classic agitprop, and revolution. Allege intolerable conditions, and then claim that you are "forced" to take up arms. Yawn....." Hey, isn't that what community organizers do?

Posted by: Stoutcat at September 21, 2008 10:58 AM (MpuZY)

23 The current Wall Street crisis demonstrates that capitalism is a failed ideology. Only a rigidly enforced command-and-control economy can truly provide the proles with the meager goods and services they deserve. The People's Republic of China only does what's best for its people, unlike America's desperate clinging to trickle down economic theory. Just look at the baby food mishap in PRC - the official responsible will be given a show trial and shot. Compare that to the "punishment" doled out to Franklin Raines, James Johnson, and Jamie Gorelick. You tell me which system works.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 21, 2008 11:03 AM (4ZOxD)

24 I don't like the bailout. I also wouldn't like the depression that would occur if there were no bailout, so I'm willing to see what happens. Speaking of education (?), has anyone claiming this is grounds for a revolution ever studied history? Or been alive for more than a decade or two? This is a big bailout, but there have been taxpayer-funded bailouts before. So, what's REALLY bothering you guys?

Posted by: DoorHold at September 21, 2008 11:11 AM (mlM1l)

25 while i'm fiercely pro-conservative, it really saddens me that so many of my brethren are so bloody ignorant as to not see what's going on. you f-ing ignorant MORONS will fight to the death to protect your SLAVEMASTERS because you're too blinded by your flag-waving bullshit rhetoric to pull your head out of your ignorant asses for 2 minutes to see what's going on in this country.

Posted by: bob at September 21, 2008 11:15 AM (d60h+)

26 "Sire, The Leftists are Revolting!!!" "You bet... they stink on ice!" (with apologies to Mel Brooks)

Posted by: Big Country at September 21, 2008 11:20 AM (niydV)

27 OctaviaA: I won't capitalize the p [in President] for him. Wow... such resolve, such defiance. A leader for the revolution has been found! Bill H: HuffPo comments aside ... But that is what Bob is commenting on. It's funny how right-wing simpletons don't even have the basic intelligence required to understand what is happening. Simpletons? If you cared to peruse the site, and perhaps most of the other "right-wing" sites you'd see a great deal of concern regarding just how disfunctional our federal government is. In fact, what is simplictic is a criticism of an invented subject based upon a post that doesn't even address that subject.

Posted by: bains at September 21, 2008 11:27 AM (AgNu2)

28 The interesting thing is that the Founding Fathers, especially Thomas Jefferson would actually agree with her. But then, they were a bunch of liberals.

Posted by: Yikes McGee at September 21, 2008 11:33 AM (W+KJk)

29 I'll leave it to you NASCAR fans to look up the definition of "balance sheet". No, you probably won't. Better to get drunk, watch NASCAR, and blindly wave the flag. Morons. Plus, we get to vote and our votes count just as much as your do. Doesn't that chap your ass? See you at the barricades, Comrade!

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at September 21, 2008 11:40 AM (Vcyz0)

30 You guys are fucking idiots, what is the point of a gun if you have no rights? You should have met my grandpa, he lived through the depression and would laugh at you faggots.

Posted by: jones at September 21, 2008 11:43 AM (HHgaE)

31 No civil war is coming, just the usual riots by "disenfrachised" yootes in their exuberance of an Obama win (not likely) or in their rage over an Obama loss (likely). Locked and loaded here.

Posted by: twolaneflash at September 21, 2008 11:54 AM (05dZx)

32 Private profit. Public cost. Bill, this is hardly new. In fact, that's what got us into this mess. Fannie and Freddie had the implicit (and later explicit) backing of the federal government for their debts. I didn't see you bitching about it then. That backing fundamentally changed the market, forcing banks to seek business that they otherwise would have foregone. Business that results in loans made with a virtually certainty of default. How much money did Goerlick make? $26million? Where did Fannie and Freddie make their political contributions to? You think we don't understand or care about this? We do. Some of us support the bailout plan and some don't. But just because we disagree, doesn't mean we are hayseeds that can't count past ten without taking off our shoes. I suspect there are quite a few small business owners here that know a balance sheet better than you do.

Posted by: XBradTC at September 21, 2008 12:03 PM (soV1p)

33 I find it deeply distressing that apparently the public in general is economically illiterate as reflected in this column and its comment section. I have told people for more then three years the U.S. economy and dollar were on a straight trajectory for collapse. By mid 2007 we had passed the point of no return and what was left of the American economy and currency would fall because nothing would now be able to stop it. How did I know this? How is it thousands of us knew it and wrote about it? We have 4000 years of monetary history that teaches us basic fundamentals; the laws of money. A dollar bill is not "money". It is not payment for anything; it is a promise to pay. Before Nixon took us off the gold standard our dollars had some real value but Nixon recreated them as a "fiat" currency; fiat currency is worthless and all fiat currency eventually returns to its original value which is zero; it's just a piece of paper. I doubt anyone here has the patience for a complete history lesson so I will come to the point. I knew what would happen because I understand monetary history. If I know it then Greenspan, Bernanke and Paulson know it. Do understand? Nothing like this EVER happens by accident because the alternatives to fiscal safety are known. When those options are available and ignored it tells you this result is desired; this is being done quite deliberately. Again, without an understanding of economics (particularly on a global scale), the People do not understand how the current finacial banking behavior (credit derivatives et. al.) enriches the few; the few who might be described as Big Money. Big Money would be the same people who own all the politicians and therefore control laws, regulations, banks, 98% of the mainstream media and money creation. What we are actually observing is the greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class into the pockets of Big Money in the history of the world. This is the biggest heist ever and this robbery is being conducted in broad daylight right under the noses of the public; people just like you, because you are ignorant of the facts and apparently too ideological or intellectually limited to research the reality we face. This economic collapse is still in its early stages. The criminal government (well documented in the book "Constitution in Crisis)and criminal financial industry is issuing propaganda and desperately acting to prevent the public and investors from understanding the gravity of our situation at least until after the election farce has played itself out. Judging by the level of comment on this page they will probably succeed. For those who are interested in reality you might study the information available from the Ludwig von Mises Institute homepage. Von Mises predicted all that is happening quite accurately and demonstrated, through the Austrian Business Cycle, the only way in which economies and currencies can remain stable. I hope at least some of the people here come to their senses and stop taking potshots at the messengers attempting to communicate actual facts to the deeply propagandized and misguided majority of the public....good luck to us all

Posted by: bluenote at September 21, 2008 12:19 PM (BSw7E)

34 This is the funniest thing I've read all day! The "Left" wants a revolution? How are they going to revolt when they don't have any guns? LOL. By the way, bluenote, I have read von Mises, and I agree that the Austrian theory is the best economic theory. That's why I'm voting for McCain, because he is for less government interference and more free-market. Where as Obama-Biden have openly admitted that they want to "take" money from the rich and give it to the poor. Who do they think they are, Robin Hood?

Posted by: Joe at September 21, 2008 12:28 PM (Pvmb9)

35 Just an addition to my last post, bluenote. The reason that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac failed was because they were set up as partial government entities (stupid mistake) from the beginning and the Clinton administration and Democractic Congress passed law that made it ILLEGAL for these companies to deny subprime mortgages and loans to people who they knew would not be able to pay them back. Bush and McCain have repeatedly called for more appropriate oversight of these to GSEs, but were repeatedly blocked by the Democrats and some Republicans. Why don't you look that up?

Posted by: Joe at September 21, 2008 12:36 PM (Pvmb9)

36 I suspect that bluenote isn't really on the McCain bandwagon. Maybe R0n Paul?

Posted by: XBradTC at September 21, 2008 12:38 PM (soV1p)

37 Joe, You know as well as I do that the "take from the rich and give to the poor" mantra that Barry O and Joe preach is really "bend the middle class over and dork them, then put their money in another government program"...The rich Donks are too tight assed with their money to help anyone out but themselves (look at how much they give to charity, compared to conservatives). We, the middle class are the "well" that they will "tap" to fund the new plethora of programs that they feel we "need". I'm convinced that voting for Barry and Joe is the equivalent of financial and foreign policy suicide for the country...I remember Carter, and we came close back them...

Posted by: fmfnavydoc at September 21, 2008 01:11 PM (VYEVW)

38 "Heroine" vs. "heroin." HA! CY, I know you hate newspapers, but you're a copy editor through and through. I'm a liberal. And I'm pissed as hell about what's been going on lately. But I've also lived in Nicaragua and El Salvador Â— two countries that are still recovering from their revolutions. Talk to demobilized soldiers that fought on either side and you'll realize that even harmless mentions of a revolution are offensive. It's dumbasses like this that make us on the left look bad, which is especially stupid considering that we're holding a pretty strong political hand right now.

Posted by: Juan Manuel de Rosas at September 21, 2008 01:12 PM (IVQmE)

39 "Now not to brag, but yes, I've taken a heroine or two in my day." CY - Remind me of a line from an old British comedy series "Once a knight , always a knight. Twice a night - you're doing all right!" CY is the MAN!

Posted by: fmfnavydoc at September 21, 2008 01:14 PM (VYEVW)

40 The Lefties aren't really all that upset about the current situation. They're really angry that they may not get their hands on the controls, again!! They only object to government power when it's wielded by others than themselves.

Posted by: JorgXMcKie at September 21, 2008 01:34 PM (1Sf5X)

41 Man the HuffPo weed smokers are fired up at Confederate Yankee! LOL! Nice job getting them all stirred up! Insert smiley face here! "Government... should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members; and every government which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind." So saith James Wilson in Lectures on Law, 1791. For all his insanity, Ron Paul was correct about the errors in our straying for the Constitution. To me, that fact alone is what has landed us in this mess that we are in today both with the financial bailout, and in our legal system, i.e. our Courts, which have wrought serious damage on our country. People are fed up on both sides of the aisles with the absolute corruption of Congress, and the twisting of our laws and Constitution by Leftist Courts. Including the Supremes ruling ISLAMIC TERRORISTS have American citizen rights, and child molesters cannot be put to death. But these moonbats do not seem to be exercised over those issues! Nope, they are all in a wad over issues that have not completely been fleshed out yet, and it has not occurred to them that if we drilled here and drilled now our financial situation might improve drastically. Government not looking out for our rights is certainly not legitimate. I do not agree with Alexandrovna, but after the amnesty debacle, I can certainly sympathize with the Left in wanting a Revolution. I can also see why some are ticked at the bailout as well, but not with Bush necessarily, or even Clinton. Congress is suppose to be the check and the balance, and like it or not the GOP was in control of Congress during the Clinton era. The irritation of the Alexndrovna crowd seems to totally dismiss the Democrats like Franks and Dodd while foaming at the mouth over Bush. The difference between the two camps is that most Republicans are equal Revolutionary targeteers. We want EVERYONE involved in this fiasco to pay, and not just Democrats. We are willing to hear out what the plan is, and remember the S&L crisis history. If that was solved, then perhaps something good will come out of this mess, but we want both sides held accountable. Yet, we are the so called rich blood suckers that are so biased according to the Left; we are the ones that need to be exterminated in their Revolution. I have been to Europe twice in my lifetime. I have seen Germany before the wall fell, and I have seen Italy desperately trying to emerge from serious socialistic insanity. We have been a host family to children from Belarus suffering from exposure to Chernobyl radiation. Their parents make $40 per month, and for every 2 weeks the children are in the U.S. their lives are extended by one year. These people on the Left for the most part have no idea how OUR country despite all the flaws is still the best on the planet. What is so inconceivable are the screaming memes from the Left at one time lived under such harsh regimes, and they are the very ones wanting US to become carbon copies of what THEY LEFT! What is up with that? Smoking wacky weed! It makes common sense to put McCain into place to renovate Washington. IF he can cut government wasteful spending, bring oil money spent overseas home, build nuclear plants, and reduce spending then this financial insanity will not cost us as much in tax dollars. However, if Obama goes in with his $150 billion dollar wacked out, "Go Green, but I DO NOT Know With What, I'll Get Back To You Plan", and his National Health Care Plan, and "Lord Help US Capital Gains Tax Hike", then we really will see a Revolution. FYI, if you keep trashing NASCAR you are only going to find yourselves loosing PA, OH, FL, and other states where people love NASCAR. Last time I checked there is some serious money in NASCAR. LOL! And to place the cherry on the top, we cannot help it that you Lefty hating the American flag folks left 12,000 American flags in the trash, and in turn so disrespected those that have died for THAT FLAG both Democrats and Republicans. Every time you trash our flag, you trash our military! I guess that is why you are working so hard to have their votes NOT COUNTED! Revolution indeed! To quote a famous redneck, "That dawg don't hunt!"

Posted by: freeus at September 21, 2008 01:35 PM (zxRJP)

42 Thomas Jefferson said it first. He said that it may be necessary for free men to overthrow the government when it begins to obstruct freedom. It is not a new idea in American politics. Has the Bush regime obstructed freedom? Do I really have to ask?

Posted by: Robert Desmarais at September 21, 2008 01:39 PM (6LZ//)

43 Has the Bush regime obstructed freedom? Do I really have to ask? Obviously you do, as the left screams out Fascism on every newspaper, every television, every blog... ...without repercussion.

Posted by: bains at September 21, 2008 01:50 PM (AgNu2)

44 This so called financial crisis can be handled by Congress without giving up any powers to the Executive Branch. Last time I checked the Constitution, it is unconstitutional for Congress to abdicate their powers to the Executive Branch or abridge the Constitution by legislative fiat without out first passing a Constitutional Amendment. Why do the Republicans want Congress to commit treason, again?

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 02:09 PM (GrWej)

45 "In an update, Alexandrovna is furiously trying to claim that what she wrote didn't mean what she so clearly did, and claims I must be 'near ready to call 911 and report me to the secret police,' before snorting that I must be 'taking heroine with his [my] coffee.'" Hmmm, looks like the Right has mocked the Left into utterly abandoning their "irony" defense.

Posted by: Dusty at September 21, 2008 02:09 PM (Mlw0p)

46 well, if it comes it will be a short revolution. the people on the right are the ones with the guns. I'm just saying...

Posted by: oriana at September 21, 2008 02:10 PM (uJ8Jj)

47 I, for one, would welcome an attempted revolution by this scum on the Left. Please..please, try it. Pretty please!

Posted by: templar knight at September 21, 2008 02:20 PM (6fvyi)

48 Why do the Republicans want Congress to commit treason, again? [Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 02:09 PM] It has nothing to do with treason. The Legislative branch gives up detailed governance all the time by investing executive departments with the authority to make specific regulations and take specific actions. The Legislative Branch takes up proposed legislation by the Executive Branch, in whole or in part all the time. Laws are often passed that is subsequently deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS and it's never considered a treasonous act. Show where the proposals currently on the table are treasonous or admit you have no clue what you are talking about.

Posted by: Dusty at September 21, 2008 02:20 PM (Mlw0p)

49 My son is in the Army, and after informing him of this birdbrain Huffington's remarks, he laughed and said, "The Armed Forces will not be on the side of any Leftist who tries to overthrow the government of the United States, and will forcefully put down any attempt to violently overthrown the duly elected government." As for a coup, George Bush will walk out of government just like he came in, with class. There will be no theft at the WH like Bill Clinton, and he will ride off into the sunset.

Posted by: templar knight at September 21, 2008 02:26 PM (6fvyi)

50 Are any posters here actual taxpayers? If "the taxpayers" knew the numbers, they'd be rioting in the streets. Every $1 trillion "our" government "spends" to "save" their friends translates to $8000 per taxpayer (rounded up, based on 130 million taxpayers. Ignore the 'per citizen" numbers - non-taxpayers are not relevant.) So far, just this year, "our" government has promised their friends over $3 trillion of taxpayer money (that we actually know of) in return for, what everyone from the NYT to the WSJ refers to as "toxic assets." That's $24,000 per taxpayer, whose average income is $32,000/year - leaving the average taxpayer with a net-of-gross of $8000K for 08. Minus taxes at, say, a medium 25% (of $32K=$7000,) and, this year, the average taxpayer will take home an astounding $1000, or about 80 bucks a month. (And a handful of toxic assets!) How many taxpayers voted to give AIG, Fannie, Fredie, and the rest basically their entire year's earnings as a thank you for robbing us blind? Of course, add in another $8K for the Pentagon ($1 trillion budget,) another $8K for Iraq/Afghanistan ($1 trillion spent so far,) and another $24K to cover the $3 trillion 08 Fed budget... And every taxpayer is on the hook - this year only, remember - for at least $64,000 apiece, or twice the average income. Toss in each taxpayer's share of the National Debt, now approaching $10 trillion, or another $80,000 per tp... for a total of $144,000, or nearly 5 years worth of the average taxpayer's income. These are the real, raw painful numbers that need to be shouted to every sucker - er, I mean taxpayer - in America RIGHT NOW. Guess all the "patriots" posting here have no problem handing over their annual income to the Wall Streets criminals who have proven their love for America so strongly...

Posted by: frank1569 at September 21, 2008 02:29 PM (age/f)

51 The latest economic prediction is for over one million foreclosures in 2008 and another million foreclosures in 2009, with a possible total of five million foreclosures before this Republican inspired Great Depression II is all over. It would make better sense to bail out WE THE PEOPLE first. After all, that is how the banks got into trouble in the first place. Bailing out the banks and Wall Street with tax dollars is corporate socialism, and is indeed fascism when big business is protected from bankruptcy while WE THE PEOPLE are not. I thought the Republicans were against socialism and big government? Apparently not! Don't look now but here come the rich Chinese ready to take advantage of our real estate fire sale. If you don't want the WalMart rich Chinese and oil rich Arabs taking over our country in a giant half-off sale, then the correct course of action is to stop the foreclosures.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 02:32 PM (GrWej)

52 Dude, this is the same three people all commenting over and over.

Posted by: nr at September 21, 2008 02:33 PM (Ne/3L)

53 "(rounded up, based on 130 million taxpayers. Ignore the 'per citizen" numbers - non-taxpayers are not relevant.)" Really, then you won't mind if Barry doesn't give 'em tax cuts paid for by my business then? As for you liberals openly fomenting revolution or anarchy or wtf ever else it is your crack induced hysteria is telling you to do, don't. Seriously. We have the military you so love to impugn on this side. Along with all the guns you haven't been able to confiscate yet, and lots of ammo to go with them.

Posted by: Conservative CBU at September 21, 2008 02:41 PM (M+Vfm)

54 From someone who is neither on the right nor the left, and is watching the country gallop its way ass backwards into an economic collapse , let me just say: we as Americans seem to have reduced ourselves into a group of ignorant, nasty, petty, dishonest jackasses who are only able to bray and screech at each other while the country is going up in flames. When it all comes down, and it WILL, we will have to re-establish a nation based on ethics and self control, as opposed to the corrupt, vicious self serving pigsty we have now. And I am glad that I have moved deep into the countryside and created a sustainable way of life far from the cities, where all hell is going to break loose as food becomes more and more expensive and scarce, people can't heat their homes and homelessness confronts more citizens. All of you who can't come up with anything better than finger pointing and juvenile insults, good luck to ya. You're going to need it.

Posted by: Pumatracker at September 21, 2008 02:51 PM (ygSR5)

55 I, for one, would welcome an attempted revolution by this scum on the Left. Please..please, try it. Pretty please! Posted by: templar knight at September 21, 2008 02:20 PM Yes, I'm sure you just can't wait to blow away some of your friends, relatives and neighbors. Show me where in her article she proposes a violent and bloody overthrow of the government? What she is actually proposing is guaranteed under the Constitution. We have the right to peaceably assembly and we have a right to have our grievances addressed. In other words, WE THE PEOPLE can march on Washington and stay there until we decide to leave. Plus we have a right to impeach and remove anyone in the government that we want to. WE THE PEOPLE are the boss of them, they are not the boss of us. Collectively, WE THE PEOPLE don't need their permission to do anything. They need our permission to do everything.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 02:51 PM (GrWej)

56 Maybe she plans to bring Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dorn out of retirement?

Posted by: jr at September 21, 2008 02:59 PM (fc0j2)

57 Hahahahahaha! You commenters here are the stupidest people I've ever heard. Do any of you dolts even have a high schooleducation?

Posted by: BushisaLoser at September 21, 2008 03:03 PM (Pzb2z)

58 Why do the Republicans want Congress to commit treason, again? [Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 02:09 PM] Laws are often passed that is subsequently deemed unconstitutional by the SCOTUS and it's never considered a treasonous act. Posted by: Dusty at September 21, 2008 02:20 PM The reason why the SCOTUS never considers it a treasonous act when they overturn an unconstitutional law is because in these court cases no one is being prosecuted for treason. The SCOTUS decisions are limited to the the laws in question, not the treasonous politicians who voted for them. That would take separate criminal prosecutions.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 03:09 PM (GrWej)

59 "...can't wait to blow away some of your friends, relatives, and neighbors." I don't have any friends, relatives or neighbors who are Leftist scum, you ape. And again, if a violent overthrown was attempted by Leftists, I would do everything in my power to stop it. As a citizen of these United States, that is my duty.

Posted by: templar knight at September 21, 2008 03:35 PM (6fvyi)

60 Revolutions don't have to be armed rebellions, numbnuts. They can take the form of boycotts, strikes, sit-ins, and other passive resistance.

Posted by: Kevin at September 21, 2008 03:44 PM (PIcx3)

61 I agree with her, this is a power grab, of the sort a "rugged individiualist" such as yourself (one who is so fond of the rights of states and individuals that he claims pride in a treasonous revolt against the fear of such a grab) would be opposed to it. With 16 years in the army I (an OIF vet) am what you think of as, "a leftist". Push come to shove, and a revolt become needful (as the Founding Fathers pointed out might happen, and for them, and later for those traitors who fought to defend slavery) I will be with her, and against you. There are things which are not acceptable to free men. Allowing for tribunes and consuls is not among them. Feel free to cower in your little corner of the internet; casting barbs and jeers at those with whom you disagree. But don't mistake your myth of "the Left" for the way of the world. We have hope in the system, but there are an awful lot of us who know our away aroud the rifle and the foxhole. And push come to shove, I, at least, know I; in fact, I can kill people. Most of the jackasses who bray about how "the Liberals" won't be able to stand can't say that.

Posted by: Publius at September 21, 2008 03:49 PM (aSEAH)

62 Boy, do they have me scared! They do come well armed with posters and they do know how to shout! How long can they last when they have no real weapons for a revolution/civil war when they don't believe in the 2nd Amendment?

Posted by: Joe E. at September 21, 2008 03:49 PM (xOrB4)

63 The sheer mind numbing economic, political and historic ignorance spewed by the Huffington Post refugees in these comments defies belief. "It's a huge conspiracy to transfer wealth from the poor to the rich" Well if that's the case, then I guess all of the left wing Democrat morons who used the CRA to force lenders to lower their underwriting standards so that low income families could have access to the loans that led to the meltdown, I guess they were in on the conspiracy too. MORONS. The fact is that socialistic state meddling in the economy is what got us into this mess in the first place. Those loans would have NEVER been given if the state hadn't intervened, and those loans are what set up this whole collapse. Sew a button on THAT, you left wing clowns. The left has for decades been doing everything it can to sabotage the capitalist system. And whenever it gets results, it blames capitalism for the mess. A fantastic case of "chutzpah", akin to a murderer blaming his crime on the existence of his victim. ACORN, the group that was largely behind the abuse of the CRA in blackmailing lenders to give loans to low income minorities, was founded by one Mr. George Wiley, who in the late 60's made a serious attempt to "bankrupt capitalism". He organized hundreds of thousands of blacks to storm welfare offices and stage sit ins and demand every single last shred of welfare entitlement that it was possible for them to have. In doing so, he didn't manage to bankrupt capitalism but he did manage to almost triple the numbers of blacks on welfare in just a few years. How ironic that it was Wiley's organization, ACORN, which years later would try the same crap by forcing banks to give bad loans to the poor. Whenever you interfere with the intricate workings of the free market, which are the net sum of millions of individuals trading with each other for their own self interest on their own mutually beneficial terms, you screw things up to the point where more interference is needed to put things right, and so on - until the whole thing comes crashing down. The only reason why Bush has to now play at being a "socialist" is to fix the mess that this interference wrought in the first place. A student of the Austrian school of economics would favor no bail outs and would prefer to let whatever was "bad" come crashing down as they should, but unfortunately that would be political suicide. You moron leftists would damn Bush if he didn't bail them out, and are damning him because he is. He can't win. And you stupid motherf*ckers started this whole thing in the first place. Damn you all.

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 03:53 PM (d7L3n)

64 America is not being taken over by Liberals and Leftists, it is being taken over by Neocon-Fascists. "The country's conservative moralists shake their finger at low-income home buyers who dared to make a grab for a humble piece of the American dream. When the dream turns nightmarish, the foreclosed-upon are held personally accountable for their bad debt. But there's no personal accountability for those who actually understood the fine print behind those shaky loans, because they wrote it. No one tells them to hand back their bonuses. If they are eventually forced out, they walk out with huge paychecks. WHEN YOU are too big to fail, you are bailed out. When you are too small to save, you are down and out on the street. Some aspects of the Wall Street crisis are tough to understand. But one economic principle is pretty clear. When a really big company goes bust, the little guy pays with his home or job. But those CEOs and money managers who boldly march their corporate empires into bankruptcy just get paid millions and millions of dollars more." Welcome to Fascist America, former home of the former middle class. Your nest egg and Constitution have been foreclosed upon by the corporatocracy. And you thought a revolution had to be bloody. Well in the recent revolution, the only thing that is red is the red ink of a bankrupted United States, now a fully owned subsidiary of rich oil Arabs and WalMart Chinese.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 03:58 PM (GrWej)

65 America is not being taken over by Liberals and Leftists, it is being taken over by Neocon-Fascists. "The country's conservative moralists shake their finger at low-income home buyers who dared to make a grab for a humble piece of the American dream. When the dream turns nightmarish, the foreclosed-upon are held personally accountable for their bad debt. But there's no personal accountability for those who actually understood the fine print behind those shaky loans, because they wrote it. No one tells them to hand back their bonuses. If they are eventually forced out, they walk out with huge paychecks. WHEN YOU are too big to fail, you are bailed out. When you are too small to save, you are down and out on the street. Some aspects of the Wall Street crisis are tough to understand. But one economic principle is pretty clear. When a really big company goes bust, the little guy pays with his home or job. But those CEOs and money managers who boldly march their corporate empires into bankruptcy just get paid millions and millions of dollars more." http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/21/hanging_the_little_guy_out_to_dry/?s_campaign=8315 Welcome to Fascist America, former home of the former middle class. Your nest egg and Constitution have been foreclosed upon by the corporatocracy. And you thought a revolution had to be bloody. Well in the recent revolution, the only thing that is red is the red ink of a bankrupted United States, now a fully owned subsidiary of rich oil Arabs and WalMart Chinese.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 04:00 PM (GrWej)

66 Acording to Phil Gramm, James is a whiner. It was a Republican Congress that took away the safeguards that allowed the subprime fiasco to occur in the first place. It was a Republican Congress that looked the other way when the subprime fiasco actually took place. How very telling that the only people I see threatening to use guns and commit violence are a few mentally unstable, radical right posters in this ridiculous forum down the Republican rabbit hole. Click on my name.

Posted by: KEVIN SCHMIDT at September 21, 2008 04:12 PM (GrWej)

67 This "proposal" from Bush stinks. The problem we are in is because of allowing banks knowingly gamble on bad loans. Its called capitalism gone bad from deregulation and greed. Blaming the average working person for this problem is turning your back on America. Laundering the money thru the US government is called "fascism" ... look up the definition of a fascist state. There is nothing "wing nutty" about this article. The only wingnut is yourself who can't see where having the US government turn into a large financial institution run by a private sector with NO OVERSIGHT ... what part of "bad" do you not see in this? You right wing people strongly cite free markets as your economic religion, yet you support the complete opposite? This is no longer about right or left, this proposal from Bush is wrong. period. We are watching the US melt down fast and your supposed "passionate conservatives" in office want to hand over the entire GDP to a private sector with no regulation? Are you fucking kidding me? Watch as these people blow your money and move to Dubai.

Posted by: Bubba at September 21, 2008 04:16 PM (gVQdi)

68 Revealing on a few different levels, as is the present conversation. Alexandrovna would appear to be a "community organizer" on a scale equal to BHO. No mere coincidence, that.

Posted by: Michael B at September 21, 2008 04:20 PM (XOx/e)

69 KEVIN SCHMIDT: I've yet to encounter one of you left wing morons who actually knows what the word "fascist" means in the first place. Hint: It's a political ideology which is a hairs breadth away from the socialism that leftist "liberals" like Obama have supported their whole lives. The Nazis were the "National Socialist Party" after all. And how typical of the left to absolve homeowners who took on shaky loans of all responsibility for their actions. The left after all sees the "common man" as a baby, incapable of making rational decisions for himself - someone who, naturally, needs to have his life run for him by socialists who know what's best for him. When you have a low income and you sign up for a loan that is worth TEN times your income, you don't have the responsibility to stop and think "now, hang on...is this a good idea"? Of COURSE you do! There is no "fine print" about it. It's a bad idea from the OFF. Answer the question - if lenders had been allowed to go ahead as they were, applying their own strict standards of underwriting in denying loans that they knew were a risk, would the sub-prime crisis have happened? If it were a vast conspiracy by big-money to steal taxpayers money, then surely they would have lowered their own underwriting standards without the state forcing them to do so through the blackmail of the CRA? Schmidt, you sound like you've read one too many Chomsky books. You're a childish mess of theatrical left wing rhetoric and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 04:20 PM (d7L3n)

70 A nice scenario would be riots or other forms of disruptive behavior if Obama loses by a whisker. Congress would probably get a makeover toward the right: independents would most likely shift right too. It could then be Palin vs Hillary in a struggle to the political death. One can always dream. The left doesn't have all the fantasies.

Posted by: mytralman at September 21, 2008 04:22 PM (0mKiN)

71 Why is it when Conservatives or Republicans want to argue with facts and historical evidence, the Left's responses are vile, name calling insults? Just wondering. As a matter of fact I have a college degree and my husband has his Masters. So yes, we do have and education beyond high school. However, it is not my belief that one must have a college education, or a high school diploma to understand corruption or ethics violations via Frank, Dodd, Gorelick, Obama, Biden, etc., etc. It seems you Lefties are really exorcized over this. Perhaps it is the connections of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ACORN? Bad news there! LOL! It appears that local papers and news outlets were on the horn about this prior to the GOP picking up the matter. Perhaps it is because this could impact the Congressional and Presidential elections? The smell of mendacity and fear are quite overwhelming! Anybody noticing those tightening Congressional races and lack of $$$ THE ONE has to give to those Congressional races? LMAO! Told Harry Reid to buzz off! But I would be willing to bet your ire is NOT over this country, (yes, I am questioning your patriotism), because all you want to do is damn Bush, damn our military, damn this country, damn free speech, damn people in small towns, damn Bibles, damn our rights, and turn personally vicious towards anyone that opposes your point of view. Yes indeed, "angrily belched" does aptly describe those who have not even made it to the forrest to see the trees. I guess now that I have questioned your patriotism, I am going to be called a racist too! LOL! You know this schtick is getting old, and people are seeing through it despite the smoke and mirrors and vile name calling. But keep it up and see how far you get with the voters between the parentheses!

Posted by: freeus at September 21, 2008 04:28 PM (zxRJP)

72 From Here's some additional perspective concerning the economic problems we're currently facing. Excerpt: "Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties. "The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."" To fail to take that into account is to be profoundly incurious and blinded to one of the most prominent - even pivotal - factors involved in the debacle.

Posted by: Michael B at September 21, 2008 04:29 PM (XOx/e)

73 This is an outrage! Who is this miscreant and why is she allowed to post such venom on the Internet? What can us right minded people do about this?

Posted by: Harry Nads at September 21, 2008 04:31 PM (2SoDX)

74 KEVIN SCHMIDT: If I remember rightly, the bill co-authored by Gramm gave financial institutions greater freedom to merge with each other - and Democrats like Maxine Waters bitched that the Community Reinvestment Act was being undermined. It was of course, the Community Reinvestment Act which forced lenders to give bad loans in the first place. Republicans are not innocent in this - they never have been. Conservatives have not done nearly enough to defend the free market and capitalism as they should. They looked the other way as the the CRA lowered standards - hell, some even encouraged it as a path to an "ownership society". Well, you don't become an ownership society by forcing lenders to give loans to people they had previously, and rightly, declared to be too much of a risk. You say that it was a Republican Congress that "took away the safeguards" which led to the crisis? Bullsh*t! The "safeguards" were already in place before Carters CRA - they were the rational, objective standards that free acting lenders had in deciding who was a bad risk or not. The CRA took those safeguards away in the name of "political correctness" and the idea that giving low income families loans to buy houses they couldn't afford was more important than worrying about whether or not they could seriously afford to pay back those loans further down the line. Which "Republicans" do you see threatening to use guns? The ones who want to protect their right to own a gun to protect their family from the sub-human scum who might invade their home with weapons? What would a left wing liberal choose to do in such a case? Offer his family up for slaughter? Let's not forget that throughout history it has been the LEFT that has been the most inhuman, the most violent, the most oppressive, the most controlling. Over 100 million people murdered by their own Marxist governments in the 20th Century. Stalin killed many times more people than did Hitler, yet I STILL see liberals walking around with red t-shirts bearing a yellow hammer and sickle. I STILL see them walking around with Che Guevara t-shirts on, advocating the kind of left wing socialist revolutionary hell which imprisoned millions on an island from which thousands attempt to escape in shark infested waters every year. It's about time the infantile left grew up. It's getting embarrassing.

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 04:33 PM (d7L3n)

75 BUBBA: Capitalism went bad BECAUSE of regulation and state intervention. In this respect moreover, what we had wasn't even capitalism to begin with. We have always had a mixed economy, a mixture of capitalism and statism. Nobody is blaming "the average working person" for this mess; the "average working person" did not take out stupid loans they could obviously not pay back. Nor is anyone exclusively blaming the people who DID take out the loans. They were stupid, but so were the people who forced lenders to lower their underwriting standards to give them the loans in the first place. I know what the definition of "fascist" is thank you very much - and it barely resembles anything which is happening now. This is a word that childish, infantile leftists have thrown around like confetti at a wedding for the last 8 years. It's a word you use for theatrical effect in the absence of any real intellect, any real objective sense of value. I will ask the question again. Given that Bush was not to blame for the sub-prime crisis, and given that the tired politics of the left largely WERE to blame, what would you prefer Bush do about it? If he didn't bail them out, you'd be screaming that he "didn't care about the consequences". He is bailing them out, and he's a "fascist". It's getting to the point with you morons that rational people are just going to have to start ignoring you in the same way they politely ignore the mentally ill ravings of a demented lunatic on a street corner.

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 04:43 PM (d7L3n)

76 A part of me wishes they would try.

Posted by: George Bruce at September 21, 2008 04:49 PM (RNKWq)

77 If I had one wish it would be to explain to every leftist what "fascism" is so I'd never have to hear or read the proud ignorance that streams from their keyboards/spittle flaked lips. Oh well. We can all dream.

Posted by: Mark at September 21, 2008 04:50 PM (UyAkl)

78 What happened to the free market you guys used to love so much? All the lectures about welfare queens and not sucking the govt teat? This bailout is nothing except a chance for the corporate welfare queens from both wings of the one national corporate party to steal from us all and more importantly to steal from our kids. This is the time for everyone to forget your party and remember your country. The free market dictates these companies should fail if they've screwed up. No welfare for them. Right now, Pelosi(worth 500 mill) and Paulson(worth 350mill)and the whole gang of filthy rich crooks who run this country are in a back room selling you out. Wake up!

Posted by: Yuugal at September 21, 2008 04:53 PM (OX19E)

79 Good thing I'm well stocked with .22LR ammunition. With the legendary weapons skills of liberals opposing me, it'll be a short and hilariously slapstick revolution indeed. Of course, the libs might invite their natural allies, such as the Russians, Cubans, and fellow Marxists of all stripes, which would prolong things a bit, but goodness gracious, think of the opportunity to do away with them all at once!

Posted by: Mike at September 21, 2008 04:56 PM (3oJIo)

80 Leftard Revolutionary Checklist: Weapon: AR-15 - Check Ammunition: 500 rounds minimum - Check Training: Military Expert Marksman - Check Opposition: Whining Leftards - Check Probable Result: Lots of Dead Whining Leftards Excellent!

Posted by: SShiell at September 21, 2008 05:20 PM (WNPzv)

81 I am absolutely not a left winger and I agree with the HuffPost article. Simply put, the left/right, democratic/republican debate is a farce. You have all been duped into wasting your time fighting each other. As a matter-of-fact, this idea of revolution over this very event has been proffered already by the extreme right. So if a revolution happens, you can expect that it won't be liberals taking to the streets as they are too fragmented and marginalized. The revolution will come from the militias. I consider myself a rugged individualist and believer in Austrian economic theory. I cannot watch the major network or cable news because it is absolute garbage/opinion making. I read the Huffington Post article just like I read articles from Drudge, McClatchey, globalresearch, and others. We have so much information available to us and yet we are starved for honest news. So don't assume that just because some of us found this article on the Huffington Post, we are soft lefties. Unfortunately, these days you have to read between the lies just to get the real news. That being said, stop believing the left/right lie. We are Americans. Period. The criminals in government represent both parties. I hate Bush and Clinton equally. One set the stage for the next. Simple as that. BTW, 9/11 Was An Inside Job!

Posted by: sinsycophant at September 21, 2008 05:20 PM (IydAR)

82 If anyone here actually knew anything about the Preamble to the declaration of independence it states that " That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." that means when the government takes away our rights it is our duty to stand up and revolt, this is called the right of revolution.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 05:22 PM (12d5g)

83 This is the coolest thread I've read in a while. Not even a little surprise to me. This isn't the first time I've heard Liberals argue for a violent overthrow of the entire country. I try to calmly explain why that would be counterproductive, yet they're pretty dead set in their ways. With plenty of screeching about their heroes Che, Osama, and sometimes a nod to Fred Phelps. The Liberals are really going bananas about this topic. They must feel pretty strongly about their revolution. And heroin apparently.

Posted by: brando at September 21, 2008 05:23 PM (UB1+D)

84 Yes. Do not notice the transfer of powers. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Vandermeer at September 21, 2008 05:34 PM (R/vsI)

85 YUUGAL: For the last time - the free market was never allowed to exist. Conservatives have done more than so-called "liberals" to champion its cause but they have done not nearly enough to defend it. The reason generally being, widespread economic ignorance. It would do the whole country some good to read for instance Henry Hazlitt's "economics in one lesson", a timeless classic which explains the problem perfectly - most people cannot think "long term" or "wider picture" in economics and can only think of what's best for this group or that group in the short term. The problem is politics. Since the superiority of economic freedom is generally not explainable in simple soundbites which sound good on the news, and since the average Joe would prefer that the state protected their narrow little area of life through economic intervention without thought for the wider picture, it is generally impossible for a politician to propose more economic freedom without being accused of being mean, heartless and uncaring. Yet economic growth can only occur with economic freedom. Man must be allowed to trade with his fellow man and act of his own volition, so long as he doesn't interfere with the rights of his fellow man to do the same. The thing that makes capitalism superior to all other systems is in the freedom of its price mechanisms and the fact that it's merely the sum total of millions of individuals pursuing their own wishes, trading with each other for their mutual benefit (whether they're trading their skills, their labor or their products). As soon as the state interferes with this mechanism, it starts a cluster of errors which encourages the state to interfere more, and so on. The current bailout would not have been politically necessary if it had not been for this economic interference. Of course, it is not necessary at all - the best thing in the long run would be to let all of the rotted wood come crashing down, to release their capital back into the system to flow into better structures, but of course this is politically impossible since it would mean having to go through a spectacular crash in which many more lost their jobs and their homes. If Bush had allowed this to happen, he would be accused of "exposing Americans to the horrors of the free market" and not doing enough to help them. So, he bails the economy out. This may not end in catastrophe, but it will prolong the problem far longer than it would have if he'd allowed it all to fall. Take the Depression as a lesson. The crash which led to it was caused by government interference in the economy, and FDR's misguided attempts to help the poor in his New Deal resulted in the Depression lasting for years longer than it should have, causing unspeakably more pain and suffering than was necessary. I know it's exciting for college age kids to think in terms of grand conspiracies to turn us into a fascist state and steal all of our money, but that just isn't the case at all. It turns out that we're being subject to yet another lesson about the idiocy of economic statism, a lesson which in all likelihood we're not likely to learn (again)

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 05:36 PM (d7L3n)

86 So just because you conservatives think you so clever switching one letter in Obama's name making it Osama does not mean that he has anything to do with the terrorist leader. and since when had any liberal been in favor of Fred Phelps. If you did any research into why Ernesto "Che" Guevara is so well liked you would see that he did excatly what we want now, he overthrew a tyrannical government he had no idea what Castro would eventually turn into.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 05:44 PM (12d5g)

87 JAYKOB: Which rights have the government taken away from you? Furthermore, given that most of the country disagrees with your left wing fantasies of revolution, and given that a socialist revolution (I know y'all want a socialist revolution - I've seen the Che t-shirts) would be a direct abrogation of the rights of he majority of Americans who do not want such a revolution (i.e. all those who do not wish to be enslaved by a socialist state), I am led to wonder - would YOUR revolution justify COUNTER revolution by the rest of us?

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 05:44 PM (d7L3n)

88 *EDIT* So just because you conservatives think you are so clever switching one letter in Obama's name making it Osama does not mean that he has anything to do with the terrorist leader, and since when has any liberal been in favor of Fred Phelps. If you did any research into why Ernesto "Che" Guevara is so well liked you would see that he did excatly what we want now, he overthrew a tyrannical government he had no idea what Castro would eventually turn into.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 05:45 PM (12d5g)

89 JAYKOB: Che did no such thing. If the revolution he and Castro created in Cuba was what people wanted, then how come Cubans are prepared, in their millions since the revolution, to take to flimsy rafts across shark infested waters to escape to a superior country (America)? Che was a nasty, cowardly son of a bitch - he had thousands executed for the crime of disagreeing with him and wanting to own property, and he had thousands more sent to hard labor camps for such crimes as political disobedience and having long hair. If Bush tried ONE TENTH of what Che Guevara inflicted on Cubans, you left wing morons would be SCREAMING BLUE THUNDER. The son of a bitch even shot a pregnant woman in the stomach at close range. I know fine well why Che is so well liked - because you lefties LOVE the idea of oppressive socialist regimes that kill and imprison their own citizens, just so long as they're happening to people thousands of miles away and not to YOU. Oh yes, and you're also sexually attracted to him. Am I being blunt enough?

Posted by: James at September 21, 2008 05:50 PM (d7L3n)

90 How can you truthfully ask me what rights we've had taken away from us, how about one of the most important ones of all, THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, the seperation of church and state, equal rights to all Americans not just straight white men, but i will give you this, that last one i guess hasn't been taken away from us but actually we've never had it. And for the socialism, what the hell are you talking about, we don't idolize Che's political views just his ability to mobilize the people and overthrow an oppressive governement.

Posted by: Jaykob at September 21, 2008 05:51 PM (12d5g)

91 "If you did any research into why Ernesto "Che" Guevara....." OK, I've done a little research into Che. I know that he murdered hundreds of innocent people with his own hands. Is that why you like him, jay?

Posted by: George Bruce at September 21, 2008 05:53 PM (RNKWq)

92 For one this Che had nothing to do with the current cuban government, and if no one wanted the revolution a group of 6 revolutionaries could not take down Fulgencio Batista's regime all on their own. And Bush has actually done more then one tenth, have you not heard of GITMO, and The Iraqi war of terror. But i do love how you don't have enough reasons to justify your claim you have to resort to saying how we are all in love with che.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 05:57 PM (12d5g)

93 No if i liked someone who killed innocent people i would have voted for bush.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:01 PM (12d5g)

94 Uh, jaykob, if you had your freedom of speech taken away, how can you be speaking freely? And you are still free to worship or not, so how is there no separation of church and state? And you have equal rights and more, just not the only rights, which is what you scum really want.

Posted by: templar knight at September 21, 2008 06:10 PM (6fvyi)

95 You people are a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 21, 2008 06:12 PM (zwPul)

96 If you did any research what so ever you should see that in 1954 when he helped overthrow the Guatemalan president Jacobo Arbenz GuzmÃ¡n he AMERICAN CIA actually assisted him.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:14 PM (12d5g)

97 you guys are fucking morons, both sides.

Posted by: chrisjudah at September 21, 2008 06:16 PM (9tkXc)

98 If you are so far gone that you believe on freedom of speech still i have no idea how to convince you. for the seperation of church and state, just look at most court houses, the ten commandments are normally posted somewhere, you have to swear on the bible, the reason gays can't marry is because bush says it is unchristian. how does anyone that is not a stright white male have equal rights, gays can't marry, women have less pay and in some states can't even have an abortion, and countless number of african americans can't vote.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:19 PM (12d5g)

99 The thing I find most ironic about the HuffPo commenters here is that they are here at all. Ever try to make a dissenting post at any lefty site? Poof, you post is deleted and bang, you're banned. Such hypocrites.

Posted by: John at September 21, 2008 06:37 PM (Xiyxt)

100 So i can actually assume that no one has done any research on the subject since one of my comments was completly false, che assisted Jacobo Arbenz GuzmÃ¡n and The CIA had tried to overthrow them.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:38 PM (12d5g)

101 It's funny and sad how our "liberal" socialists are all worked up about the nationalization of big American companies - after all, isn't that what you guys have been preaching all along? Come on, komrades, Fannie and Freddie and AIG now belong to THE PEOPLE! Why aren't you celebrating?

Posted by: Ivan lenin at September 21, 2008 06:39 PM (Bkh/d)

102 The People, HA, more like the privileged.

Posted by: Jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:43 PM (12d5g)

103 KornKob, in what states would it be illegal to have an abortion? And PLEASE tell me in which state it is illegal for blacks to vote. I'm sure Jesse and Al would be quite intersted to know.

Posted by: John at September 21, 2008 06:45 PM (Xiyxt)

104 It is not illegal in any state for blacks to vote but that doesn't stop the polling places to not allow them to vote for any number of reasons, perfect example the 2000 election. and for the abortion thing, im sorry i regretfully misspoke. but bush and the conservative right have been trying to outlaw it, stating its murder.

Posted by: jaykob at September 21, 2008 06:53 PM (12d5g)

105 "So i can actually assume that no one has done any research on the subject since one of my comments was completly false" One?

Posted by: brando at September 21, 2008 07:10 PM (UB1+D)

106 Uncle Sam - Dude I get it. You are a terrorist in your own mind, not the government's mind. I thought I was missing something. Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: daleyrocks at September 22, 2008 12:19 AM (i/fLn)

107 James - Enjoyed the rants. I didn't have time to spend educating the morons today. Thanks!

Posted by: daleyrocks at September 22, 2008 12:23 AM (i/fLn)

108 James: "Get real kid..." "Don't be silly, son. You're just daydreaming." Did you not read the following in my initial response? I am a retired U.S. Army Helicopter Pilot who served three years in Vietnam, was awarded The Distinguished Flying Cross, two Bronze Stars ( with "V"), 32 Combat Air Medals and the Army Commendation Medal. For Fifty, years of my life I WAS a Right-Wing, God Bless MY GOVERNMENT, Kick Ass AMERICAN!! And you call me "kid" and "son"? James - when, and if, you put your life on the line for your country for more than 3 years; received more awards for combat heroism and bravery in full support of the US government's policies at the time. And when you've served your Government for over 20 years in active military service, THEN you can call me "kid" or even "son". But until that time, the only name you have the right to call me is "Sir"! I don't have time to walk you through the internet. Everything I have stated is on the internet. Start with reading The Patriot Act and The Protect America Act. ..."Almost 3,000 people had their Constitutional rights taken away from them in New York City on 9/11, for instance. Terrorists take away your right to go about your life in peace without the threat of being blown up on a bus or a subway, etc.".. James, as far as 911....I'll save that for another post at another time. Too lengthy to get into now. "Forced to delete what? Spare me your theatrics. What can't you post here? Be specific! Don't lie." Was I censored by CF? Yes indeed. I did a copy and paste of it on a word.doc! Obviously, I can not discuss it here as it was censored the first time around so don't see if making it the second time around. This is no theatrics - surprised me when the censor showed up - still don't know exactly why (no cussing, name calling, etc. was in it). If you would like to see it, I'll send you the worddoc. to your email.

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2008 01:00 AM (3usbu)

109 James: "By the way, those who are claiming that they can't post certain content - of course you can. Do you really think the government is monitoring this site and censoring it in real time?" James, if you are insinuating that I think the Government is monitoring - and censoring - me in real time....well, that ludicrous. I not only don't believe that - I made no such claim. I said that CY censored me. I had no person's personal information; foul language, etc. I do not know WHY it was censored but the subject matter was HL TW List. Computers new to me...I am not savvy enough to know how to cloak. I tried putting XXXX in various parts of the censored paragraph but still got censored. I had to 'delete' a large portion of the paragraph for it to Post. I did save a copy of what I wrote - and the response...the censor message.

Posted by: Uncle Sam at September 22, 2008 01:15 AM (3usbu)

110 Liberals really believe that Conservatives are bloodthirsty maniacs. After all, they tell themselves, look at the support among conservatives for the Iraq War, look at the number of conservatives that have served in the Armed Forces. Obvious Neanderthals. So, if the Bush's steal another election, even though no Bush is running, it is time to revolt and take the country where it needs to go. But they overlook some facts. Any revolt would be very short. Because Conservatives are bloodthirsty maniacs.

Posted by: John D at September 22, 2008 01:23 AM (kyma3)

111 Gun control advocates threatening armed revolution and PRAYING?? Are you sure this didn't come from the Onion instead of Huffpo?

Posted by: Dan Kauffman at September 22, 2008 02:46 AM (BNCg2)

112 I would like to see some opinions, from those opposed to Larisa Alexandrovna's essay, on the desirability of the trillion-dollar bailout; something beyond 'liberals created the problem to begin with'.

Posted by: mitchell porter at September 22, 2008 03:57 AM (6rRs/)

113 Your own words condemn you. "Preventable?" Yes. There has, indeed, been corruption, but you are so uneducated, so agendized by the Left, and so DUMB that you cannot see what is right in front of your screeching face: it is your heroes who've been looting Fannie, and Freddie, and many other corrupt acts. Now, go paint your signs, your revolution awaits!! HeeHee People in opposition of Bush uneducated? Thats ludicrous it's the small minded conservatives that are so easily scared by 3rd world rag heads and any American citizens that looks forward instead of clinging to the past.Bush's gutting of any oversight of wall street resulted in this mess.Just look at his 2004 SEC rule change where the five large wall street banks thats are failing now were allowed to borrow 40 times their operating capital. But that wouldn't have anything to do with their current problems would it.

Posted by: jim morgan at September 22, 2008 04:28 AM (WYmrV)

114 Just curious about republican views here... What do you guys think about Woodrow Wilson? He ended up squashing free speech and starting modern propaganda. p.s. I must say I've had a good laugh at the bluff calling for armed revolution. I think both parties at this point are complete BS. Both have essentially the exact same corporate backers. I hate Clinton for NAFTA. I'm not saying I have solutions but I'm looking for them. p.p.s. I'll be voting for Obama. Best reason: McCain's choice of Palin disqualified him.

Posted by: matthew at September 22, 2008 05:48 AM (4YPUq)

115 I read some of the posts here, and the main message I seem to hear is "Getting raped and loving it! What's wrong with all the wingnuts who don't enjoy getting screwed up the --- like we do?" Unfortunately this moronic consent to the criminals in charge that means everyone in the US gets screwed. I became an expatriate years ago, but I always thought I would want to return when I had a family. But now that I have two lovely three-year olds, I would never dream of bringing them back there. Thanks to many posters on this list for your contribution toward making the country I once loved shameful and unlivable. my children will get raped to--if I ever make the mistake of bringing them back to the US, that is.

Posted by: mike at September 22, 2008 07:26 AM (QR/Fj)

116 Please, please - I pray - let the lefty bedwetters take up arms!! Just for the comedy!

Posted by: Bandit at September 22, 2008 07:37 AM (/R+6i)

117 Excuse me but the people these leftists elected are going right along with this socialistic bailout. Imagine a socialist, totalitarian, objecting to economic socialism!? LOL These freaks have very big mouths. They are even willing to resort to violence as long as there is a massive police force around them, protecting them from being lynched on the spot by decent Americans. Bring that revolution on....Puullleeeese! What an opportunity to rid ourselves of several thousand American hating leftists.

Posted by: RA at September 22, 2008 07:59 AM (poJU6)

118 Yep, this bullshit government needs to be brought to it's knees before the people of this nation. I don't give a fuck what morons calling themselves "Confederate Yankees"(--WTF??),think. No matter what the idiots who agree with Confederate Yankee think. You are all a bunch of fucking Nazi's anyway. OOOOOOOOHH let's report her to the secret police. Fuck freedom of speech, huh? Well fuck you too, assholes. Larisa wasn't even born here and she knows more what it is to be an American than you fucking douchebags. I hope we meet on the field of battle in a new revolution against ignorance and willfull stupidity. To the death mother-fuckers.

Posted by: clan1465 at September 22, 2008 09:14 AM (Q/QLG)

119 Your first commenter had the right idea. Please, leftist dorkwads ... commit treason, come out against America physically as you have done in words for decades, and attack the government openly. Give my AR-15 a chance to speak up on behalf of the this great nation! This would last, what ... an hour and a half?

Posted by: Fred Pennsylvania at September 22, 2008 09:26 AM (FZwqN)

120 Gandhi. You nitwits can only thinks of guns and war. Gandhi. That's how a revolution works. The end of the Soviet Union. They didn't come out there with guns, they just came out there and said no. Can't you see we are getting screwed by our own rulers. 700 billion for the banks. Where's my million? You guys are blinded by the right, Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night. Good luck with it.

Posted by: Matt at September 22, 2008 09:57 AM (vQz/w)

121 Dang, James. That was some Epic Pwnage.

Posted by: HKpistole at September 22, 2008 09:58 AM (/j9KS)

122 mitchell: "I would like to see some opinions, from those opposed to Larisa Alexandrovna's essay, on the desirability of the trillion-dollar bailout" WHY I WANT A TRILLION DOLLAR BAILOUT (Yes, Even if it requires the Treasury Secretary be given blanket authority): (from least to most) 5. I can't get worked up about a Trillion dollars when I know that there is a 50Trillion dollar tsunami in the form of a socialist ponzi scheme that will swamp us in 10-30 years. 4. A "free market" solution is not appropriate. This is not a failure of the freemarket. This is a catastrophic failure which sprung from a *perversion* of the free market (A state owned entity acting as a private sector participant albeit with an infinite budget to negate any mistake, regardless of scale.) If it was just another market player then I'd say who cares. But these guys own half of the mortgages in the country. Their portfolio is valued at 5 Trillion dollars. 3. Because most American households, including myself, have the majority of their life savings tied up in retirement plans and in their house. i. You can't liquidate your house, and it will be really hard to find anyone willing to pay August 2008 prices for your house if everyone's financial resources are reduced to zero. ii. Toilet paper would be more expensive than the studiously diversified securities in my 401k if we had a real financial meltdown. I'm genX, I worked hard and played by the rules, and pushing 40. I don't want to start at zero again because of a chain of events kicked off by government bureaucrats who decided they were worth annual bonuses of $18-25M for playing Enron games with taxpayer backed money. (It's the sort of thing that might drive a less balanced person to start looking for a torch & pitchfork) Worse still, I've just started a business after being laid off, so my 401k is my last line of defense. If I lose that than it really is do or die for me and my family. 2. Because the source of this goes back to a collapse in the housing industry, which in turn has contaminated the entire credit industry due to some highly irresponsible behaviour on the part of ass-hat borrowers AND bigger ass-hat ivy league scum & Fannie/Freddie cronies, so if backstopping housing frees up the credit and we avoid a chain reaction collapse that will make the Great Depression look mild than so be it. There are a couple of ways the taxpayers would even get it back: These houses *have* value. Somebody can live in them (and maintain their value over time), -maybe even the family who previously "owned" them if the government simply takes the deed (and whatever equity they had) and starts charging them rent it determines they can afford, (I'd say at least 50% of the current market value + they do maintenance or out they go) If the plan works than the the housing market will find it's bottom, stabilize and even start to rebound, and the government (as the deedholder) will see huge returns having bought near the bottom if they simply hold on to the deeds and gradually beging to sell the more lucrative ones as the market rises. 1. Because I have a three year old and haven't stocked up on ammo, or converted my generator to run on fermented grass clippings, or done the Mormon thing and stock up on a year's worth of food and heating oil. I've got a picket fence to paint come next spring. The total financial collapse which would follow a cascading failure of finance and banking institutions and 86 any possibility of finding a job or growing a business is NOT a teaching moment. It is a disaster of global scale whose misery would condemn 100's of millions to starvation, maybe even here. No thanks. That said, this shouldn't be forgiven: We should demand that a lot of these people do the perp walk in orange jumpsuits, --and yes Cox should resign, not because he's a bad guy, but because regulating forward looking statements and statements of risk are the SEC's responsibility and it happened on his watch. McCain's right: If it's good enough for Eisenhower it's good enough for the guy who helped put us in this situation. I think there are several others who should also fall on their swords. Bernanke? I don't know how culpable he is yet. Greenspan? Grrrrr. If we can't perp walk Barney Frank than at least we should demand he resign, along with the other politicians (who ARE mostly democrats) that consistently blocked the same set of reforms proposed in 2003, 2005, and 2007. (That would be Dodd, Shumer, Clinton, maybe even Obama, (he did steer a lot of pork their way), but I'm certainly willing to ask the same of Ted Stevens, Bohner, and any other pork meisters in the spirit of bipartisanship.) Certainly anyone whose was a C level officer at Fanny/Freddy in last 10 years, including Raines, Johnson, and the Mistress of Disaster, Jamie Gorelick, should be thrown into prison for the rest of their $18-25M/yr lives. These three should consider themselves lucky that we don't apply the PRofC solution to such corporate malfeasance. But what about this non-review thing? I trust Secretary Paulson will ask himself how history would remember him if he didn't exercise this unbridled power of the purse on the basis of what is best for the country. Can you imagine if someone could stop this decision or that by suing and/or appealing the Treasury Secretary's decisions? Would foreign held corporations refrain from suing if their competitors were being bailed out? Foreign powers? Radicals within this country that see progress as bad? (How many shares would the ELF have to buy to have standing?) How about some asshat pol who wants to see his constituent's employer gets bailed out first. No, there cannot be oversight or it will never work.

Posted by: Mark M. at September 22, 2008 10:32 AM (UyAkl)

123 The extremists who are commenting need to exchange e-mails with each other and find a place in the desert to get it on. The 90% of us who wonder what this all means for our families need to think about what actions we should take to protect ourselves. I am usually a lurker here, but I mostly agree with CY and his posts. I believe he was pointing out the silliness of a poster on the Huffington Blog calling for a revolution. In my opinion, if the Left could have had a revolution, we would have already seen it. Empty threats from Leftists are just that...empty. And for right-leaning people to be suckered into silly arguments with them does not reflect well on us either. The only revolution we would be likely to see would be the one that would happen if welfare checks were eliminated, which would be the result of an attempted revolution. The beat-down of these Leftists by welfare recipients might be worth seeing the attempt. LOL. J/K here, folks. As for the bailout, I doubt whether many regulars of this site would approve of it. I certainly don't, and I have contacted my Congressman this morning and voiced my opposition. That is what we all should do, regardless of whether we oppose or support it. I realize we faced a financial crisis last week, but this can't possibly be the best solution. Giving carte blanche to bankers with sums of taxpayer's monies in the hundreds of billions is insane, and it should be recinded. What can sensibly be put in its place I don't know, but what has been done needs to be undone. Work within the system to change the system. That has worked for America since 1776, with only one exception, and that one(CW) caust millions of lives. I don't think we need another one of those.

Posted by: common sense at September 22, 2008 10:52 AM (6fvyi)

124 My only request: Hope all the revolutionary types carry ALL their cash, and wear ALL their bling when they assault the bitter gun-clingers. Don't waste your money on Tattoos, kids. Get more gold teeth and big diamond ear rings instead.

Posted by: Maud'Dib at September 22, 2008 11:03 AM (fCrnD)

125 "The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution." It is incredibly ironic for Larisa to suggest such a thing. Considering that her folks come from Soviet Ukraine, she offers a solution the consequences of which her parents (along with thousands, if not millions, of other russians and ukranians) fled by moving to this great country. Might I say her parents failed her in helping her understand the causes of the mess the whole ex Soviet empire is still boggled down in. Larisa in case you read this post, may I suggest some reading for you? A People's Tragedy: The Russian Revolution: 1891-1924 Orlando Figes

Posted by: Mongol at September 22, 2008 11:08 AM (gtZwa)

126 Did you know that most leftist crazies believe that the contrails we see following planes are conservative/republican conspiracies. What the exhausts are supposed to be doing they wont/can't say but thats what the idiots believe. And we allow such people to vote...

Posted by: studakota at September 22, 2008 11:16 AM (9kq5c)

127 templar knight references the Bush administration's allegations, upon occupying the White House, that the outgoing Clinton administration trashed and robbed the place. Anybody remember that? Bush white house repeated the story for days. The Governmental Accountability Office investigated - concluded it was all false. But of course by the time that report was issued the damage had been done and this kind of lie persists among those who prefer propaganda over facts. That wasn't the first lie the Bushies told (remember their smearing McCain in SC?), but it foreshadowed their governing style based on deception - which has been their greatest betrayal of conservative values.

Posted by: Patriot Man at September 22, 2008 11:25 AM (nyOoi)

128 Unpatriotic man You are flat out lying! It is undeniable that the Clintons trashed and stole many things from the White House. I noticed you didn't reference any links to your lie. Here is the truth. Why do far left wing fanatical nutjobs like Unpatriotic man have to lie? Don't they think they can win in the arena of ideas? Is lying the only way they can win? Does anyone think that Unpatriotic man will apologize for lying?

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 22, 2008 12:22 PM (kNqJV)

129 CY, I know it's against your swearing policy, but please leave up Clan1465's comment. Just this once. Pretty please. It is so perfectly emblematic of the Left. He spells out their intent with such clarity. This thread rules!

Posted by: brando at September 22, 2008 12:41 PM (qzOby)

130 brando You think clan1465 would be able to navigate all the pizza boxes in his Mama's basement to make it to the streets for a revolution?

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 22, 2008 12:43 PM (kNqJV)

131 We aren't even near any kind of revolution. We still have it so good here the Old USA. Who wants to mess everything up? I'm a liberal but I don't want a revolution. To What? I just want a level playing field for a free market economy with liberty and justice for all. This bailout smells, it's a dog with fleas. Why don't they refinance individual loans to something fair and the penalty is starting over? Nothing to the banks except a fair monthly payment. I am sure even something as simple as that would be corrupted beyond belief. I am losing faith in the whole thing. Revolutions happen when people have no food, rights, health care, money, cars, gas, houses etc. Hey we keep getting closer. I guess they better reward the banks for there ill acts with a big pay out so they don't close up and actually sow the seeds for a revolt. revolting!!! I'm gonna puke.

Posted by: Matt at September 22, 2008 01:06 PM (vQz/w)

132 Larisa Alexandrova did not call for a coup d 'etat.

Posted by: Dan at September 22, 2008 02:07 PM (f8B2A)

133 Don't you remember, IT can mean whatever IT wants IT to mean. So said the great leader!

Posted by: Big Al at September 22, 2008 02:13 PM (Unrk8)

134 My standard response to idiots, like Alexandrovna, who assert that we're already living under a Fourth Reich is: "Well, if that's the case, why aren't you already behind barbed wire...and why am I not guarding you?" Posted by: MarkJ at September 21, 2008 08:40 AM Mark, so you're saying that you want to be a Nazi concentration camp guard?

Posted by: Chris at September 22, 2008 03:34 PM (FY9tC)

135 ARE U SERIOUS, YOUR A MORON TRY READING THE ARTICLE OR DID YOU NOT PASS COMPREHENSION WHEN IN SCHOOL? ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD ....would even attempt to take from that article what you suggest here.

Posted by: fu at September 22, 2008 03:58 PM (yEpuG)

136 If I told you the sky was plaid, would you even bother to look up to question me?

Posted by: Bill Barker at September 22, 2008 04:34 PM (RsTKb)

137 At the risk of being a xenophobe, what's up with these "recent transplants" like Ariana (Greek) Huffington, Larisa (Russian) Alexandrovna, and George (Hungary) Soros lecturing the rest of us on what's good for America? Can't they take a cue from Governator Arnold and embrace the American Way of Doing Things?

Posted by: Roderick Reilly at September 22, 2008 05:49 PM (n27hc)

138 Sorry, but i won't give absolute power to anybody. isn't that what this is about? How can anybody give total power to anybody in Washington?

Posted by: cs at September 22, 2008 07:03 PM (5QG+g)

139 Interesting that this "confederate yankee" is more concerned with taking personal swipes at the author than addressing the facts referred to in the article. Are you taking lessons from McCain? It's a pretty common tactic. When someone points out the glaring mistakes (or purposeful treacheries) that have occured on Bush's watch, and with republican approval... well, you simply attack them *personally*, but for god's sake, don't address the issues they raise! That would be a slippery slope indeed. You should know that she is far from alone in fearing that Americans will reach the collective end of their rope...Ask yourself, all this chipping away at our constitutional rights that Bush & co. has done, and now wanting to remove the power from our elected representatives...all quite methodical...you don't think they did all this for nothing, do you? The author is quite simply saying "Open your eyes. Something very bad is on the way." Oh, and lastly, I find it ridiculous that "liberal" has become the new republican catch-all phrase for anyone that doesn't think exactly like "you". Not all Democrats are liberals, not all liberals are democrats, etc, etc, but you should KNOW this already.

Posted by: KJ at September 22, 2008 07:05 PM (+Dl1R)

140 KJ, the problem with far left wing nutcases like yourself is you don't give any specifics. You just lie. What constitutional rights have been taken away from you? From everything I've seen it is you and the left that advocates fascism.

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel at September 22, 2008 07:14 PM (kNqJV)

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