November 09, 2006
Iraqi Health Minister Claims Insurgents Have Killed 150,000
Interesting.
Iraq's Health Minister Ali al-Shemari said about 150,000 Iraqis have been killed by insurgents since the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
For every person killed about three have been wounded in violence since the war started in March 2003, al-Shemari told reporters during a visit to Vienna. He did not explain how he arrived at the figure, which is three times most other estimates.
The health minister, a senior Shiite official linked to radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, also said the United States should hand Iraqis full control of its army and police force. Doing so, he said, would allow the Iraqi government to bring the violence under control within six months.
The "most other estimates" comment likely refers to estimates compiled by iraqbodycount.org, the Los Angeles Times, and the Brookings Institute, which give figures between 48,000-62,000.
You know what this means, don't you?
Obviously, this means the evil neocon war machine must have slaughtered the other half million people reported killed since the 2003 election... probably by strangulation.
Hell of a job, Rummy.
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CY -- I'm genuinely curious about this post: do you, like Limbaugh, feel relieved that you don't have to carry water for incompetents like Rummy anymore? Or do you support Rumsfeld, and thus in this post you're mocking liberals who deride him?
Thanks,
Earl
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And CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer in the Atlanta airport last night presented his comments as 150,000 killed "by the US invasion." Truth-tellers always!?!
Posted by: SDN at November 10, 2006 08:48 AM (ozDzM)
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who do you believe blitzer or the iraqi health minister?
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The Dominos Fall
Via
Fox News:
Among those expected to hand in resignation letters is the Pentagon's top intelligence official, Under Secretary of Defense Steve Cambone, a close Rumsfeld associate and a key architect in planning for the Iraq war and the War on Terror.
Cambone is the first person to hold the post, and in doing so helped the Pentagon step up its own intelligence gathering assets, a role traditionally overseen by the CIA. The new system led to turf battles between the two agencies in recent years.
This resignation is hardly unexpected, and as the article mentions, more are certainly on the way.
The article also mentions this, which makes me uneasy:
In announcing the secretary's resignation, President Bush said he was nominating Robert Gates, a veteran of the CIA under President George H.W. Bush, to lead the Pentagon. Though closely tied to the Bush family, Gates is considered by many to be an agent of change.
Rep. Jane Harman, the expected next chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Gates would be a good fit to run the Department of Defense because of his intelligence background.
"He will respect the role of civilian intelligence agencies, including the CIA," Harman, D-Calif., said.
Harmon is one of many Democrats that backs John Murtha's "over the horizon" movement of soldiers out of Iraq.
The more I hear about Bob Gates and who is supporting him, the more I come to think he's the "Harriet Miers" nominee for Secretary of Defense.
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Sins of the Father
Robert Gates, the nominee to replace Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of State was the
Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser during the failed 1991 uprising against Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf War that may have led to the mass murder of
100,000 Shiite Iraqis:
On Feb. 15, 1991, President George H.W. Bush called on the Iraqi military and people to overthrow Saddam Hussein. On March 3, an Iraqi tank commander returning from Kuwait fired a shell through one of the portraits of Hussein in Basra's main square, igniting the southern uprising. A week later, Kurdish rebels ended Hussein's control over much of the north.
But although Bush had called for the rebellion, his administration was caught unprepared when it happened. The administration knew little about those in the Iraqi opposition because, as a matter of policy, it refused to talk to them. Policymakers tended to see Iraq's main ethnic groups in caricature: The Shiites were feared as pro-Iranian and the Kurds as anti-Turkish. Indeed, the U.S. administration seemed to prefer the continuation of the Baath regime (albeit without Hussein) to the success of the rebellion. As one National Security Council official told me at the time: "Our policy is to get rid of Saddam, not his regime."
The practical expression of this policy came in the decisions made by the military on the ground. U.S. commanders spurned the rebels' plea for help. The United States allowed Iraq to send Republican Guard units into southern cities and to fly helicopter gunships. (This in spite of a ban on flights, articulated by Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf with considerable swagger: "You fly, you die.") The consequences were devastating. Hussein's forces leveled the historical centers of the Shiite towns, bombarded sacred Shiite shrines and executed thousands on the spot. By some estimates, 100,000 people died in reprisal killings between March and September. Many of these atrocities were committed in proximity to American troops, who were under orders not to intervene.
In recent years Baghdad has shortchanged the south in the distribution of food and medicine, contributing to severe malnutrition among vulnerable populations. Some 100 Shiite clerics have been murdered, including four senior ayatollahs. Draining the marshes displaced 400,000 Marsh Arabs, destroying a culture that is one of the world's oldest, as well as causing immeasurable ecological damage.
The first Bush administration's decision to abandon the March uprising was a mistake of historic proportions. With U.S. help, or even neutrality, the March uprising could have succeeded, thus avoiding the need for a second costly war.
The obvious question is, "Did Bob Gates have a hand in shaping Bush's call for rebellion?"
If so, would he also partially responsible for failing to support the rebellion, leading to one of Saddam's greatest genocides? I do not know the answers to these questions, but they must be asked before he is confirmed as the next U.S. Secretary of Defense.
While I sincerely hope that the sentiment expressed on Austin Bay's blog that the Gates nomination may political prep for "prosecuting the war even more vociferously," I think that Mr. Gates and the present Bush Administration owe to it to us and the Iraqi people to explain in detail what role, if any, he played in an Administration that instigated, and then failed to support, the 1991 uprisings.
The administration of Bush '41 failed Iraq once when we cried for them to stand up for their freedom. The same personnel who failed Iraqis in 1991 should not be given the opportunity to do so again.
Update: It's up behind an annoying subscriber wall, But Allah says that the Wall Street Journal is on the same page.
One reason the Iraqi government of Nouri al-Maliki has had such a hard time dismantling Shiite militias is because Shiites fear that itÂ’s only a matter of time before the U.S. abandons them again and they will have to confront the Sunni Baathist insurgency on their own. If President Bush wants to reassure Shiites on this score and about Mr. Gates, he should announce that the recent efforts to appease the Sunni terrorist political fronts in Iraq have failed.
We presume Mr. Gates will be grilled about these and other issues during his confirmation hearings. He should be.
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It's important to realize that Bush(41) DID want to keep going until they reached Baghdad, but the U.N. changed the rules along the way.
Hanging it on Bush and Gates without reason and without giving reference to the relevant facts is not really fair. We were in a period of time when it really looked like the U.N. could be a force for good, until they (the U.N.) realized that Saddam could be toppled and then they (the U.N.) caved and the coalition began to crumble.
It's my sincere opinion that Bush(41) believed that if the Iraqis began to rise up, that the U.N. would get back on board, but of course they didn't.
It's easy to hang the woes of the world (past and present) on the U.S., but to do so isn't necessarily intellectually honest nor historically accurate.
While I agree that Gates should answer questions about Gulf 1, I don't think it's fair to give a pet albatross to him unfairly and without considering the entirety of convergent and divergent factors.
--Jason
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Official Enough: Democrats Take Senate
Stick a fork in George Allen.
He's done, are are the GOP's slim hopes of holding on to the Senate:
A Democratic takeover of the Senate is appearing likely after an ongoing canvass of votes in Virginia produced no significant changes in the outcome of the hard-fought race led by Democratic challenger Jim Webb, sources told CNN Wednesday.
Wednesday night, with Webb leading Republican Sen. George Allen by about 7,200 votes and the canvass about half complete, The Associated Press declared Webb the winner.
CNN does not declare a winner when race results are less than 1 percent and the potential loser may request a recount vote.
A source close to Allen also told CNN that the senator "has no intention of dragging this out."
Meanwhile, a Webb aide told CNN that he plans a formal news conference Thursday morning to declare victory.
A victory by Webb would put the new Senate lineup at 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans and two independents -- Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut -- who have said they would caucus with the Democrats.
This outcome in Virginia is hardly unexpected at this point, but perhaps the most interesting aspect of this is that Joe Lieberman, the Senator that the liberal netroots derided as "Rape Gurney Joe", has potentially become a powerful swing vote in the Senate should he decide to act as such. All the bile and hatred directed at him may not easily be forgotten.
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Joe noted in his press conference yesterday that although he would "organize" with the democrats (so he keeps seniority), he will be "beholden" to no party and will vote on what is best for Connecticut and his own conscience. Nice job nutroots. Throw your own people under the bus and then expect them to vote lockstep. LOL
Posted by: Specter at November 09, 2006 07:14 AM (ybfXM)
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The trouble with Joe is tyhat his conscience is so liberal Diane Feinstein is to his right. So is Hillary Clinton. Joe's a liberal Democrat and he's not likely to change a voting pattern that goes back 18 years int he Senate, just because he got thrown under the bus. It does mean though that as long as the Republicans can keep the Senators voting for the war, then Lieberman will make it 50 most of the time.
Posted by: Joe at November 09, 2006 09:28 AM (etxGA)
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Senator Joe said before the election "I can forgive, but I can't forget". It's hard to see how a three-term senator could not look at most of his fellow Dems who dumped him in a less than favorable light.
Posted by: Tom TB at November 09, 2006 10:33 AM (0Co69)
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ON the other hand, I hope Joe doesnt forget who put him in office.
Moderate Republicans.
Too bad that pussyass loser Chaffee (who apparently wont roll over and be dead) will kill the Bolton nomination.
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November 08, 2006
Rumsfeld Resigns
Catching it on Drudge and Rush, and will expect to hear confirmation in Bush's press conference momentarily.
Will update...
Confirmed. Rumfeld was on his way out prior to the election, and our new nominee for Secretary of Defense is Bob Gates, currenty the President of Texas A&M. Bush said that Gates had met with him in Crawford this past Sunday, where I understand he was offered the position. He is the only career officer in the CIA's history to rise from an entry-level employee to the directorship. Gates had previously declined the Director of National Intelligence position now filled by John Negroponte. I'm sure we'll hear more about him in the days ahead, but I simply don't know enoughabout him to know what kind of Secretary he may be at this point.
Mary Katharine has more.
Update: Austin Bay reports that an officer he knows thinks that Rumsfeld's resignation sets the stage for more aggressive action against the terrorists.
That is an interesting hypothesis. If the key issue of the mid-terms for voters was dissatisfaction with the prosecution of the war in Iraq, then a "new direction" could well come in the form of more aggressive, targeted, and tangible offensive operations.
It will be interesting to see if this is indeed the path taken.
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I understand the President has also just announced that he's renaming the Department of Defense, which will heretofore be known as the Department of Appeasement, and is replacing the Joint Chiefs with borrowed French officers.
I've disagreed with some of Rumsfelds policies but the way this went down sucks big time.
Posted by: Bill Faith at November 08, 2006 02:11 PM (n7SaI)
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Gates is already being targeted by the far left for a supposed role in Iran-Contra.
Posted by: Ken at November 08, 2006 02:52 PM (pJHhK)
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Bill:
That is not fair. From what I understand Gates has a very distinguished history and has worked with four different presidents, he is not a lightweight and there is no reason to believe he will appease anything. Rumsfeld is an old man, maybe he is tired and he wanted out.
Perhaps Bush is trying to restore confidence, whatever you can count on the fact that Gates will take a load of crap during confirmation.
Posted by: Terrye at November 08, 2006 03:29 PM (qGwDe)
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Gates brings three things to the job:
He is an excellent administrator.
He is an expert on Iran.
He is an expert on nuclear weapons.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Max at November 08, 2006 07:47 PM (zN/fx)
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"Update: Austin Bay reports that an officer he knows thinks that Rumsfeld's resignation sets the stage for more aggressive action against the terrorists."
I agree. Though far removed from the halls of power, I've suspected that it was Rumsfeld who was pushing the "Iraqi-ization" policy towards the Shi'i militias and forbidding Americans from dealing with them themselves. There was an article in last week's Army Times in which senior officers were hinting at their irritation at not being allowed to smash Sadr and his ilk.
Posted by: Dawnfire82 at November 08, 2006 09:00 PM (RvTAf)
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GATES SHOULD REMINDS LEFTIES THAT REAGAN AIDED IRAN - AND NOT IRAQ DURING THE IRAN-IRAQ WAR.
But that's the only good thing he brings beside extrem knowledge of the clandestine aspects of warfare. and we are also fighting a cladestine wa against neojihadism - all over the world.
but i am disheatened by the fact that he is a james Baker kinda guy.
we don;t need to accommodate the enemy - as he did china after tiannamen. and elsewhee.
if bush had let israel destroy hizballah then the GOP would have won.
but bush has ceded to the rice/baker. and now gates accomodationists. i fear.
this does not bode well for our impending crises in Korea and Iran.
it means we will not pressure them, and syria more, but less.
it means more pressure on israel, too.
more chamberlianesque policies.
which always fail.
if we survive that failure, then perhaps the m,sm and the left will join our side.
but i doub t it.
they are 9/10 people in a 9/12 world.
Posted by: reliapundit at November 08, 2006 09:39 PM (UTJFB)
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I don't think the approach to the war will change. It has now taken on all the ear marks of Vietnam with the limits placed on targets and allowing the enemy to use our soldiers as predictable targets. In short, we need to begin hurting alot more people.
But this chage in leadership might be more of a political move. I don't know much about Gates but be will now have to be approved by a Democratic congress. Thus they are giving approval to the ultimate administrator of the war. As such they take the responsibility for any difficulty. Seems like more of a chess move than a real change.
Posted by: David Caskey at November 09, 2006 09:46 AM (xxoPt)
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What I will Not Be Doing Today
The following is a short list of things I will
not be doing in the wake of the 2006 mid-terms:
- Blaming Diebold.
- Staying in bed with massive depression.
- Creating a new election-based psychological malady.
- Lamenting that America has down descended into a (fill in the blank) state.
- Checking out immigration laws to other countries.
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Good ones. Here are some from my list:
- "Take to the Streets"
- Call for revolution
- Consider secession
- Travel to the 9/11 memorial in Arizona and kill myself (what too soon?)
- Blame it on a Carville-ian conspiracy
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at November 08, 2006 12:59 PM (oC8nQ)
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I decided to go into mourning for one minute, but I only lasted 20 seconds. It's a beautiful sunny morning in the greatest nation of all, and it's time to start reminding Republicans of why they wanted political power in the first place. It wasn't to act like the Democrats, it was to fight for ideals of freedom and justice.
Republicans lost the election, and the Democrats won only because they were the only other game in town.
Posted by: Major Mike at November 08, 2006 01:55 PM (bc5O8)
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I'm just windering if the Dems will continue and finish their investigations into all the charges of voter suppression and election fraud that they were yelling about for the last couple of days. I'd really like to get to the bottom of it this time, but I have a bad feeling that they'll give up and we won't hear about it any more (for a while).
The good news is that the Dems (in the House so far) don't have much to hide behind anymore. The only real thing they will be able to blame on anyone else now is if Bush vetoes some legislation.
I do hope that Bush will not get all mushy with them just to prove he is a "nice guy".
Only time will tell and my time has other things to do....
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 08, 2006 03:32 PM (jHBWL)
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Once I heard the news I thought that maybe the Democrats will finally end the War on Poverty declared by LBJ 40+ years ago. Talk about a quagmire.
Posted by: bws53 at November 08, 2006 09:12 PM (u6hOc)
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The Morning After
Well I just
suck at election prognosticating, don't I?
In a national mid-term election billed as a battle against the way the War in Iraq is being waged and against Republican scandals, Democrats waltzed to an easy reversal of power in the House of Representatives and what many expect to be a slim majority in the Senate.
The Democratic Party is to be commended for their victories, and their candidates are to be congratulated.
What remains to be seen, however, is what Democratic electoral success will mean to our domestic and foreign policy.
Domestically, the farthest reaching effect may be upon those that are not elected to office but appointed, as the Democratic majority will be able to shape who is appointed to federal judgeships, including any Supreme Court vacancies that may occur at least until the 2008 election cycle. There are of course some responsible moderate judges to choose from, but I feel that a strict, historically-grounded interpretation of the Constitution is needed on the federal level, and that is most often found in the kind of judges that Democrats are likely to filibuster.
Free trade is also going to be dead, and we can expect taxes to go up through a combination of new taxes and a refusal to renew the tax cuts made by the previous Congress.
We can also expect a "quagmire" as Democrats follow through on their promised "investigations" of the Bush Administration. Some of these are indeed warranted--I know for a concrete fact that the U.S. Maritime Administration (MARAD) is as corrupt as it can be and engaged in illegal activity, as I have personally seen the evidence--and I feel that if the Administration did indeed break any laws they should of course be held accountable.
I fear, however, that honest investigations of deep-seated agency-level bureaucratic corruption I suspect exists will be ignored in favor of investigations of "brand name" targets. I fully expect Democrats to follow through on multiple investigations targeting the President and Vice President based not upon any actual criminality, but on the appearance of impropriety, with the goal of further weakening the Executive Branch and laying the groundwork for the 2008 campaigns.
But what concerns me far more than these domestic issues (at least for now) is what the election means internationally, specifically in the War on Terror.
I can respect the fact that a majority of American voters do not like the way the War on Terror is being conducted. I don't particularly like the way the War on Terror is being fought, particularly in the battleground of Iraq where al Qaeda and allied terrorist groups have joined with state sponsors of terrorism Syria and Iran in an effort to not only destroy any hopes of democracy taking root in the Arab world, but to rally the support of Islamists worldwide.
Fair or not, terrorist leaders around the world openly cheerleaded for Democratic victory. Leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Islamic Jihad and Hamas were among those that publicly stated that they thought much talked about Democratic plans for withdrawal from Iraq would embolden and spread fundamentalist resistance against the United States. al Qaeda's curiously silent Osama bin Laden had pulled for a Democratic victory for the same reasons in the 2004 elections.
Will the new Democratic leadership take stock of these comments and attempt to understand why the terrorists cheered them on to victory? Recent history and breaking news alike suggests that they will not. Nancy Pelosi has already this to say about the War on Terror in Iraq:
"Nowhere did Americans make it more clear that a change is needed in Iraq ... we can't continue down that catastrophic path," she said. "Mr President, we need a new direction in Iraq."
Pelosi and other Democratic leaders such as Charles Rangel and John Murtha have made clear that their "new direction" is a vision of withdrawal, without apparently registering that such a plan would embolden and spread terrorism, as the terrorists themselves have clearly stated:
Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there.
In a recent interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, "The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn't mean we stay there. They'll stay there as long as we're there."
Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week's elections.
WND read Pelosi's remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency.
Islamic Jihad's Saadi, laughing, stated, "There is no chance that the resistance will stop."
He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would "prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States."
Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would "mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America)."
My greatest fear in Iraq is not for the American military, which overwhelmingly wants to stay engaged and finish the mission, but for the 26 million people of Iraq who face a dire future in the hands of a "cut and run" Congress.
If Democrats are able to force a retreat from Iraq, the existing sectarian violence will likely devolve into a full-fledged civil war that the still-weak Iraqi security forces will be unable to stop or perhaps even slow. The possibility exists for Iraq to fall into full-fledged tribalism, with widespread genocide a distinct possibility. If this comes to pass, the United States will have abandoned the Iraqi people twice in two wars after asking for their support, at the cost of tens of thousands of their lives. Neither they, nor any other nation on earth, will have any reason to trust commitments America for a long time to come.
Terrorism, instead of being defeated, will have proven to be an effective tactic.
That may be the ultimate legacy of Nancy Pelosi and Democratic control of the House of Representatives if the liberal leadership has its way. We can only hope that the Democratic moderates who won most of last night elections can steer their leaders from the rear.
If they cannot, our foreign policy will, quite simply, encourage further acts of terrorism, as the terrorists themselves have made abundantly clear.
Update: Well, that didn't take long.
Update: And it gets worse, quickly:
"America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons," Hamas' military wing said in a statement faxed to news organizations in Gaza.
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Well Confederate Yankee props to you for at least giving me the conservatives point of view for the past long while.
Posted by: Jswanny at November 08, 2006 11:27 AM (+Q7GB)
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The more I think about this election, the more I am changing my view on it. At first I was upset, but now I am thinking that now that the Democrats have control of the house and maybe the senate, lets see these plans they have screamed about during the election.
I am no prognosticator, but if the Democrats cant pull off all these amazing things they are claiming they will be able to do. How do you think they will fare in the 08 Presidential Election?
I mean n ow it is put up or shut up time! So as they say the proof will be in the pudding.
Posted by: 81 at November 08, 2006 11:46 AM (y67bA)
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Everyone is mashing the teeth today and anticipating the most horrible of things. But stop and think. The Democrats can not pass any new tax legislation unless Bush signs it. Now he is a liberal and likely would. In fact, I wonder if the previous conservative congress was keeping a check on this idiot. As to not renewing existing tax cut, the Republicans should have taken care of that when they had the power. Instead, they simply spent like there was no tomorrow. That is what I feel the real issue was and not the Iraq war. I am sick to death of the job the Republican party has done on those of us that supported it.
We may now have the best of all governments, one that can do nothing.
Posted by: David Caskey at November 08, 2006 11:46 AM (xxoPt)
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Free trade is also going to be dead, and we can expect taxes to go up through a combination of new taxes and a refusal to renew the tax cuts made by the previous Congress.
Oh, get real. Did you think our massive deficit would magically vanish if the Dems had lost big? Whether you feel the spending was justified/reasonable or not, taxes going up is a given. Even many Repubs in Congress were iffy on continuing Bush's tax cuts. The only thing Dem losses last night might have done is allowed Bush to juggle the books until the end of his term. Now he's gotta face his own music.
We can also expect a "quagmire" as Democrats follow through on their promised "investigations" of the Bush Administration. Some of these are indeed warranted--I know for a concrete fact that the U.S. Maritime Administration (MARAD) is as corrupt as it can be and engaged in illegal activity, as I have personally seen the evidence--and I feel that if the Administration did indeed break any laws they should of course be held accountable.
Then why condemn it as a 'quagmire' before it even starts up? We all know a) there's massive corruption in this administration and b) a GOP-run Congress will never, ever, ever exercise oversight. How dare those Democrats make Congress do its job!
I fear, however, that honest investigations of deep-seated agency-level bureaucratic corruption I suspect exists will be ignored in favor of investigations of "brand name" targets.
Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire...
I fully expect Democrats to follow through on multiple investigations targeting the President and Vice President based not upon any actual criminality, but on the appearance of impropriety, with the goal of further weakening the Executive Branch and laying the groundwork for the 2008 campaigns.
Well, in every gov't ethics course I've ever seen (and my job requires a number of them, regularly), the appearance of impropriety is usually an _explicit_ reason for an investigation. Maybe if they weren't such unrepentant screwups, they could get the benefit of the doubt. But not Bush.
Posted by: legion at November 08, 2006 03:03 PM (3eWKF)
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Well, in every gov't ethics course I've ever seen (and my job requires a number of them, regularly), the appearance of impropriety is usually an _explicit_ reason for an investigation. Maybe if they weren't such unrepentant screwups, they could get the benefit of the doubt. But not Bush.
I'm sure you would be all for investigations into Reid then? I'm sure that you will call for the immediate resignation of Jefferson as well? Were you as interested in why all those FBI files were found in the White House?
Oops, my bad. They're not Republicans, and so the perception of impropriety has different rules. Sort of like listening to liberal bloggers talk. If you heard the exact same language from your Minister, you would be shocked and disappointed, perhaps even mad because you had high expectations. With the liberal blogger, you also had expectations and his language didn't surprise or anger you because they didn't do anything out of character, so they get a pass.
If there are "real" issues, investigate them - regardless of party affiliation. Punish the wrong doers - regardless of party affiliation.
Just run investigations the same - regardless of party affiliation. Clean out ALL corrupt politicians and bureaucrats - regardless of party affiliation.
Too bad "tolerant, non-judgemental" Democrats choose to run legal investigations based on political profiling rather than based on the actual wrong doing.
PA - I've thought the same myself. 100% inspection would tie up ports and put a huge economic strain on the shipping industry.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 08, 2006 04:03 PM (jHBWL)
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Roots,
Guess again. If there's reason enough to warrant an investigation, then by all means Reid should have the same scrutiny as Frist, DeLay, etc. Considering that those investigations are being carried out by the (still-GOP-run) Justice dept, I fail to see how the election results come into play at all. And Jefferson, as every single lefty I know or have spoken to via the 'net agrees, is a slimebag who should be in jail rather than DC.
Too bad "tolerant, non-judgemental" Democrats choose to run legal investigations based on political profiling rather than based on the actual wrong doing.
Really? Name one current investigation the Dems are running. Now guess the number of ethics complaints the Congress has looked into under GOP rule...
Posted by: legion at November 08, 2006 05:03 PM (3eWKF)
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You might want to take a look at actual voting records before deciding us Ds are all bunch of antiwar wimps.
Same thing with trade. Considering that Bush' actions have been much more anti-free-trade (raised tarifs twice) than Clinton (NAFTA), shouldn't you be wailing at Bush for being anti-free-trade?
Oh, yes, I know Bush lowered the tariffs again, after WTO action, but at the very least, he deserves scorn for politicizing the issue, riling our allies, and paying time for the govt to handle the WTO case.
Posted by: Jon Kay at November 08, 2006 08:50 PM (nlbbN)
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Let me get this straight. The overwhelming majority of troops want to stay in Iraq because "dozens" of them were interviewed by a WP reporter? Talk about silly extrapolations.
I think you'd find that our soldiers' feelings about the war, if you polled every single one of them, would resemble the feelings of the population at large, which seems to be that 33% are against the war, 33% support it, and 33% are immersed in their own cozy ambivalence.
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November 07, 2006
Follow the Bouncing Ballot
I'll be unavailable for several hours this evening as I'll be out suppressing the Democratic vote, but wanted to leave you with some good sites to follow the electoral action till I get home after the polls close.
My stablemates over at Pajamas Media are putting out a ton of good information, including early exit polling from Jeff Goldstein's breakfast table, as will the good folks at Powerline and Powerline News.
The Malkin Media Network will be firing on all cylinders at both Michelle's personal site and at Hot Air.
The Blogfather and Memeorandum.com should round all your needs as a political junkie until we have, you know, something actual to talk about.
You know, like the procession of torches and pitchforks to the Heinz-Kerry mansion if Waffles manages to torpedo this election for liberals like he did the last one...
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Waffles; that's a good one. Who was it Garry Trudeau portrayed as a floating waffle...can't remember.
Posted by: Cindi at November 07, 2006 04:01 PM (asVsU)
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Suppressing the Democratic vote! That's a good one! Who needs democracy when you've got GOP, right?
It's pretty cool how you villify a decorated veteran, Kerry, and the mother of a slain soldier. Your chickenhawk brigade meanwhile is stalwart and true.
Now that most of the country has woken up to what a bunch of hacks you and your kind are, I enjoy your little jokes. You're a small, racist, paranoid man. Keep it coming CY.
The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 06:56 PM (1vDHD)
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Earl can't even understand humor. I guess it's because the lefties don't have a sense of humor.
Or is it the common
sense that is the missing element?
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 07, 2006 07:26 PM (Xw2ki)
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Cindi Sheehan is a fraud and a sham, she is also pitiful and sorry individual.
In the Vietnamese Communist War Remnants Museum (formerly known as the "War Crimes Museum") in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), a photograph of John Kerry hangs in a room dedicated to the anti-war activists who helped the Vietnamese Communists win the Vietnam War. The photograph shows Senator Kerry being greeted by the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam, Comrade Do Muoi.
Also while still in the Navy Hanoi John went to Paris to meet with the enemy not once but twice.
A decorated War hero ?... he signd his own ticket, he spent zero days in the hospital, exactly 15 minutes in sick bay while a corpsman pulled a small piece of metal from a scratch on his arm, and covered it with a band-ade, yet Your hero Hanoi john managed to get 3 purple hearts in about 4 months.
It was Kerry and Fonda and their fellow protestors who were directly responsible for creating the false image of Vietnam veterans as a "barbarian horde" which raped and murdered innocent civilians daily as a matter of policy.
Now today, he is trying to do the same thing to our troops serving in Iraq. His statements were typical Hanoi John, he was wrong in 1971 and he is wrong today he was a traitor in 1972 and he is still a traitor.
Posted by: MarkT at November 07, 2006 07:30 PM (0Co69)
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Retired Spy: I know it was supposed to be funny, but it's not. Repubs really are trying to suppress the vote. A new stringent law in Arizona requires photo with proof of residency, so college students are pretty much disenfranchised. The repubs have robo-calling going on in several states purporting to be from Democrats, and calling at odd hours and repeatedly to annoy the subject. Low lives. I like the sense of humor/common sense play on words. Your red state humor soars like an eagle.
MikeT: Kerry volunteered to drive around in a PT boat and get shot at, while all your boys weasled out of the draft in one way or another. Kerry spoke his mind about Vietnam, and history has proven him right. Vietnam isn't a communist threat, there was no reason to invade. You're just being dense to say that he hates America and hates the troops. You too are a small, mean, paranoid man.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:53 PM (1vDHD)
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Say hello to Speaker of the House Pelosi. W's going to be held accountable for something for the first time in his life.
Tradesports has control of the senate even money.
The jig's up boys.
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 12:14 AM (1vDHD)
Posted by: Jswanny at November 08, 2006 04:13 AM (+Q7GB)
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You lost. Everywhere.
Now you can be just as partisan, self-centered, close-minded, inflexible, mean-spirited, childish, humorless, dyspeptic, self-righteous, overly judgmental, intolerant and sanctimonious as you ever were... except now it's from a MINORITY position.
Posted by: Smiling Liberal Dem at November 08, 2006 04:14 AM (YadGF)
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Dear Rightwing nuts:
You lose. Hahahahahahahha!
Yours,
The American People
Posted by: USandA at November 08, 2006 09:14 AM (Jf02O)
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Smiling Liberal Dem:
And you and your kind can continue to be as partisan, self-centered, close-minded, inflexible, mean-spirited, childish, humorless, dyspeptic, self-righteous, overly judgmental, intolerant and sanctimonious as you ever were. Now you have a majority in the House and possibly a very slim majority in the Senate.
What, specifically, are you going to do with that new power? How, specifically, are you going to legislate for the betterment of this country and this country's security and triumph in the war on terrorism?
If your people drop the ball again you can bend over and kiss your butts good bye in 2008 and beyond, and you know it.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 08, 2006 09:16 AM (Xw2ki)
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Greetings from Finland. Watching the elections from here, I'm appaled that so many have lost their marbles and voted for Democrats. Keep the borders open for anyone! Let Iraq fall! Fail to see the threat of Islam!
While I'm not in love with everything the GOP stands for, it's obvious who the more intellectually honest people are.
Posted by: Anonymous for now at November 08, 2006 09:58 AM (kRkl8)
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"Yankee... You LOSE!!!"
Did I lose too? Did America lose?
"You're a small, racist, paranoid man."
Jeez Earl, take it easy. That's not a good way to have an open discussion.
Posted by: brando at November 08, 2006 10:45 AM (K+VjK)
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brando: "Jeez Earl, take it easy. That's not a good way to have an open discussion."
Your idea of an "open discussion" is, just how much of a communist traitor is John Kerry?, and your website bears this out. Kerry risked his life for his country and you people twist that so that he is guilty for it somehow. What's double cool is that your leaders almost to a man shirked 'Nam, yet in clown world are brave and true. So it's also cool that your pleading for an "open discussion" now. You don't have a pot to piss in.
The jig's up, brando. Get ready to pay the piper.
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 12:09 PM (1vDHD)
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Why don't you just crawl back under the rock and join the garden slogs from whom you were spawned?
We all know that the Republicans lost more than the Democrats won anything. There were no new and improved ideas offered, nor are there apt to be any in the near future.
Maybe we should all try to conduct ourselves as Americans for a change, using teamwork instead of name-calling and partisan bickering and sniping.
Maybe people like you should just grow up.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 08, 2006 01:34 PM (Xw2ki)
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Earl: Sweet. That was exactly what I was looking for. Libs attacking the military once again.
"you people"?
You're already aware that
my people are US Servicemen. I love that you said all that garbage to me, because it just gives me something else fun to post about. I hope it felt good to say, because your words represent you.
Liberal anti-military hate straight from the horse's mouth.
If you take it upon yourself to correct then you have to be better. This means that you are stating that your military service was superior to mine?
I think you're being dishonest. I doubt that you've actually ever served.
As for open discussions, I'm usually pretty civil. You were dishonest about that too.
Posted by: brando at November 08, 2006 02:14 PM (RqbPA)
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brando: you take the cake for putting words into my mouth. I said nothing against the military. Your paranoid, one-dimensional view of the world is talking. I am gung ho about Afghanistan, and veteran's benefits.
What my ilk is pissed off about is the quagmire in Iraq, because whereas we wish the people of Iraq well, we don't believe in nation building and we certainly don't view deposing a tin pot dictator as worth 3,000 of our finest and 400 billion dollars. Nation building is the ultimate in liberalism. We'd rather get revenge for 911 and fight terrorism, not create more of it. I have no doubt that your feverish imagination connects 911 and Iraq, but Bin Laden was responsible, along with 11 of the 19 Saudi hijackers. Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time. You're disgusting for calling a decorated serviceman a traitor because you disagree with his politics.
Oh, and don't bother pimping the blog any more. It sucks rocks and will go nowhere for a few more months before you give up.
I didn't say you aren't civil, I said it's ridiculous to lecture about open discussion when your idea of a starting point is, "Is Kerry a traitor, or just a communist?"
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 03:45 PM (1vDHD)
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Im not a conservative. I'm a Marine. I didn't put words in your mouth. You said "you people", to me. You meant it. Live with your words.
Posted by: brando at November 08, 2006 04:22 PM (K+VjK)
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Give it up, Earl. You're still trying to relive Tora Bora, and the only reason is to discredit others. It's a form of psychological projection for those Monday Morning Quarterbacks who have never had an original though of their own in their lives.
Kerry was and remains a traitor to the uniform he wore, like it or not.
Are you so dense to believe that getting Osama Bin Laden at the expense of all the other terrorists and their supporters in some 75 countries around the world would have ended it all?
Are you so dense as to believe that getting out of Iraq right now will make everything OK in the world?
Dream on, son. Dream on.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 08, 2006 04:49 PM (Xw2ki)
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brando: by 'you people' I meant denizens of the Confederate Yankee blog. How was I to know that you are a Marine? I haven't anything against the Marines, the opposite is true.
I apologize for insulting you and your blog. I shouldn't have done that. I was angry and lashed out. I hope we can disagree amicably.
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 06:50 PM (1vDHD)
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How can you say Kerry is a traitor? He was born wealty yet worked for years as a prosecutor, not a glamorous job. Why did he risk his life in 'Nam? He's distinguished himself in a number of ways. You paranoid delusionals twist everything he says. During the last presidential election he mention that Cheney's daughter is a lesbian and you all had a field day. He's an urbane man, he doesn't care that she's a lesbian. He talked about Nam being a mistake because he wanted his fellow soldiers to quit risking their lives for nothing -- and history has proven him right! Nam is not communist threat. He did the right thing for his country. The recent gaffe about ending up in Iraq was a knock on Bush, not soldiers, and you are being dishonest with yourself if you don't believe that. Why on earth would he go out of his way to insult the military? It's an absurd charge. I don't think he would have made great president, but he's a good man and it makes me sick to see the chickenhawk brigade malign him.
OF COURSE I want to get Bin Laden! He's responsbile for 911, remember? Yet you somehow think building a democracry at gunpoint in Iraq is a good idea instead. Iraq was a secular nation until we invaded. The terrorists are Islamic fanatics, remember? Bin Laden is an Islamic fanatic. Saddam was a garden variety tyrant who distrusted Islam fanaticists as a rival.
I didn't say getting out of Iraq would make everything OK. I don't have a clue what 'finishing the job' means either, though, so I can't bear the idea of more soldiers coming home maimed or in boxes. I don't see how they can win. You all talk about 'stay the course', but what is the plan exactly? Iraq is disintegrating. The factions there loathe eachoter and aren't interested in getting along. I don't see how democracy is possible at the barrel of a gun. I think we'll be lucky at this point if the Shiite majority doesn't get in bed with Iran.
Your the one dreaming, you get your ideas from Fox and that drug addict Limbaugh. Your party stinks of corruption and hypocrisy and self-righteousness and incompetence.
You GOP'ers are supposed to be the party of personal initiative and personal responsibility, yet you promoted a man who's never accomplished anything and never taken responsibility for anything, and now you act all surprised and pretend like it's a big mystery why he's so incompetent.
The jig's up, Retired Spy. Time to pay the piper. W's going to take responsibility now, and I'm going to laugh at the blind rage of jackasses like you while he does.
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 07:11 PM (1vDHD)
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Keep dreamin', Earl....But I will refrain from dropping to your level of gutter talk and accusations and the like.
We leave all that to the trolls ....
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 08, 2006 08:25 PM (Xw2ki)
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Gosh darn it, Earl. Why'd you have to fly off the handle and be resonable? I had a little article all made up about your comments, which I can no longer post. It has pictures and everything, and I do my best to stand back and be shocked at the injustice. I just got done writing it, and checked back to this site for updates.
I think I did a good job writing it, and I have snarky and self rightious factor pretty high. If I put a disclaimer at the end that it was resolved before I even posted, would it be allright if I put it up?
Posted by: brando at November 08, 2006 08:34 PM (K+VjK)
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brando:
I don't mind a bit if you quote any of my comments here.
Thanks for the discourse and most of all for your service.
Semper fi,
Earl
Posted by: Earl at November 08, 2006 11:32 PM (1vDHD)
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A Belated Pre-Election Message From Osama bin Laden
Dammit.
Pardon my Farsi.
I tried to deliver my traditional pre-election fatwa message weeks ago, but Predators keep blasting missiles into every video-laden donkey that leaves the cave, and the jackass meat covering the mountainside is starting to smell like an ACORN voter drive. Or Michael Moore.
I'm even reduced to wearing last election's campaign buttons.
Nevertheless, as Allah (PBUH) wills it, I have been able to highjack an evil Jew-lover's neo-con blog (at least until the generator runs out of gas again) and I will use it to pronounce the glorious message of al Qaeda:
VOTE DEMOCRAT.
I and my fellow freedom fighters demand this of you, and you will comply.
The American people should bow to fate and accept the glorious defeat that Allah (PBUH) and the Democratic Party have planned for you.
If you do this thing, we shall promise to kill you last, after the Jews, the homosexuals, the uncovered women, the idiot america soldiers, the Christians, atheists, the cast of The View, and the French.
It is only after you do this thing that you will be at peace with al Qaeda... for now.
Well, that, and you must avoid tall buildings, crowded public areas like stories and malls and the stadiums where men in helmets slap each other's fannies after tackling one another (disgusting), the walmart, excetera.
Stay in your home or mosque, and all will be forgiven until the end.
Also, Thank you Senator Kennedy for the talking points.
We will behead you last of all of the infidels.
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Posted by: Bill Faith at November 07, 2006 02:05 PM (n7SaI)
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Outstanding, thanks for the laugh!
Posted by: Rich Edwards at November 07, 2006 03:28 PM (M7BmY)
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Did Kerry sign the warrant himself, again...Now that he has four can we send him back to Vietnam ?So he can be where he belongs, and while we are at it, he can pick up Jane and Motha sheehan and take them with him.
Posted by: MarkT at November 07, 2006 03:39 PM (0Co69)
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We send him back to 'Nam only if Murtha drives the convertible that they travel in.
Posted by: Mike H. at November 08, 2006 02:28 AM (rjroG)
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"Absolutely True:" Rather Continues to Defend 60 Minutes TANG Story
Just moments ago on
North Carolina's Morning News with Jack Boston on Raleigh-based
News-Talk 680 WPTF, former CBS anchor Dan Rather defended the infamous
60 Minutes story using forged documents to attack President Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard as being, "absolutely true," a charge a testy Rather reiterated at least four or five times.
Rather not only defended the report, but the validity of the forged documentation that the report relied on, saying it had never been proven false (despite copious evidence to the contrary).
I've contacted the station, and hope to get audio of that portion of the interview posted later in the morning.
Note: While the show is North Carolina's Morning News with Jack Boston, Rick and Donna Martinez conducted the interview with Rather while Jack Boston is out fighting leukemia. Our prayers and best wishes go out to Jack and his family.
Update: The Raleigh News and Observer reports on the story.
Update: A reader taped an MP3 (3:34) during a re-airing of the Rather-Martinez interview this afternoon during WPTF's The Bill Lumaye Show. Enjoy!
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I invented the Texas Air National Guard so I know what Rather says is absolutely true.
Posted by: iinventedtheinternet at November 07, 2006 09:05 AM (Eodj2)
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Dan Rather - what a dope! I'd call the man stupid, but that would be a grave insult to idiots everywhere.
Posted by: dbehsman at November 07, 2006 09:32 AM (a7CL5)
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Hope you get that audio posted. We'll try to do the same thing on one of the John Locke Foundation sites.
While it was Jack Boston's show on WPTF, we should clarify for readers that the hosts this morning were actually Rick and Donna Martinez (she works at JLF, too).
Posted by: John Hood at November 07, 2006 09:33 AM (Op3RY)
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I look forward to the audio; I'm hoping it's as Mad-Lib-able as Rather's last statement of absolute belief in his little bedtime story.
Q.v., my
Dan Rather Mad Lib over at the Locker Room.
Posted by: Jon Sanders at November 07, 2006 09:35 AM (Op3RY)
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I remember when I lost faith in Dan Rather. He was mugged by aliens in the 1990s when I was living in NYC. I was devastated. He swore it was true. Yeah, he smelled of alcohol and it was 2 am, but wouldn't a smart alien do their mugging at that time? I suspect that chip they implanted in his neck has something to do with imaginary documents and derangement syndrome. He tends to side with those like him: alien abductees (liberals). If the alien took your brain, there is only one place to turn: the democratic party. Beam him up, Dan Rather is a victim of the republicans inability to keep Americans safe from alien abductions.
Posted by: Karen at November 07, 2006 09:47 AM (YkCwy)
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I'm sorry, but Dan who? Really, who effing cares what that pitiful old man says. Besides, I question the timing.
Posted by: Daveg at November 07, 2006 09:52 AM (F1thZ)
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WPTF. Does that stand for "Will Publicize This Falsehood"?
Posted by: Jack Olson at November 07, 2006 09:59 AM (1hwMq)
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I've hated Dan Rather since I was a wee slip of a weasel, and he used to do that 60 Minutes thing where he'd jog up to a CEO and shove a microphone in the man's face. Yeah, you're pretty much going to look evasive and shifty when that happens to you first thing in the morning in the parking lot of your own business.
Hey, I guess that means Dan Rather made me a conservative.
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 07, 2006 10:03 AM (rasT+)
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What is Rather taking PR advice from John Kerry these days?
Some people just don't get it, and they never will.
Posted by: jblog at November 07, 2006 10:08 AM (g7mo7)
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Doesn't he have to prove their authenticity first?
Posted by: CUS at November 07, 2006 10:15 AM (bbXZq)
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One thing this story does is confirm that Dan Rather needed to be removed from his job. He no longer possesses (if he once did) the critical thinking skills needed to be a competent reporter.
Also, isn't it interesting, the morning of a critical national election Dan Rather is spending his time being interviewed by an AM radio station in North Carolina. Oh how the mighty have fallen. Come to think of it, this is the first peep I've heard from Dan Rather this whole election season. He really is in exile, huh - and deservedly so.
Posted by: kcom at November 07, 2006 10:19 AM (5f6lb)
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Rather's always been a stranger to the truth, for years he lied about his Military service, oh he went to boot camp alright but was kicked out, after a few weeks because of being unfit for Military service but he continued the charade for decades.
So his story about the 'Forged Documents' about the President is of no surprise, the man wouldn't recognise the truth if it came right out and bit him.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 10:19 AM (Eodj2)
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Dan's new motto since he is without gainful employment
"Will lie for food"
Posted by: Vero at November 07, 2006 10:30 AM (1xNvF)
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So has Rather ever explained the contradictions about the TANG memos? I mean, does he honestly suggest that real people used that proportional font with kerning on their typewriters? It is preposterous, but I'd love to see him try. Rather has just got to do more than deny, deny, deny.
Besides. Learn about flying an F-102 -- a dangerous aircraft that takes a lot of skill.
Rather needs to geet a life. Oh. He already had one and blew it.
Posted by: sbw at November 07, 2006 10:31 AM (dJ1+y)
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An underreported piece of evidence from the TANG story:
Rather supporters claimed various typewriters capable of making the suspect typsets, superscripts, etc. (Less than convincingly, but that's irrelevant). If so, where are the documents created by them? Are we to believe this extrememly high-tech equipment (for the times) was used to create this damning memo, and never used to create a single official document? Ever??? If this equipment existed Mapes and Rather would have FOIA'd every document ever filed by that TANG unit.
All they would have to do is find one single official document and their story is worth millions. And in two years they've produced nothing? And here they are claiming they're right, still?
Please.
Posted by: mj at November 07, 2006 10:42 AM (mEfRA)
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Never mind all the technical problems with the documents. Rather made a very simple, straightforward, easily-detectable deception when he "responded" to the claims of forgery.
He showed a shot of the incriminating documents and a shot of verified 1972 documents using "the same superscript" (his words), but they very clearly were not the same.
It doesn't take a document expert or a typewriter historian or an Air Force secretary to see the difference. He just plain flat-out said they were the same when they just plain flat-out were not.
So either he's so ignorant that he cannot tell they're different or he lied.
Screenshots from that news report here:
http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/001564.html
The fact that he's still harping on about this (on election day, no less) demonstrates that he's STILL either an ignoramus or a liar.
Truly amazing. And Rather sad...
Posted by: Murdoc at November 07, 2006 10:46 AM (Naf9R)
Posted by: Murdoc at November 07, 2006 10:47 AM (Naf9R)
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I like how a secretary's statement that lots of priveleged kid went into the guard to avoid being drafted makes Bush a coked-out drunk (something that might be true) who didn't fulfill his obligiation because he didn't take a physical he didn't really need (there's no real evidence, unless you consider a secretary saying that people did stuff like that back then evidence).
Posted by: aaron at November 07, 2006 10:49 AM (IhMLI)
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When Father Rather speaks, it's the very definition of Absolut words. Anyway, people were out to get him, like his fellow dhimmi, Mike Wallace.
Seriously, was the Viet Nam era Bush Air National Guard story a big deal even if true, especially compared to Kerry's lying about the troops [which I fell for at the time!]?
Posted by: J.Peden at November 07, 2006 11:13 AM (NkjFO)
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Stick a fork in Dan, I believe that he is done now... if not a bit overdone.
Posted by: ajacksonian at November 07, 2006 11:26 AM (VLjJI)
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Remember, Dan was stuck in Vietnam for a time...
Posted by: John Kerry at November 07, 2006 11:37 AM (GRgjE)
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It's a shame he had to end his career with a mule kick to the backside like this. He wasn't a hack, honestly; but somewhere along the line, towards the end, he just popped a rivet.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at November 07, 2006 11:38 AM (uw+0A)
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One thing this story does is confirm that Dan Rather needed to be removed from his job. He no longer possesses (if he once did) the critical thinking skills needed to be a competent reporter.
And to think that the networks responded to this by putting someone reknowned for their ctitical thinking skills - Katie Couric! LOL.
Posted by: Specter at November 07, 2006 11:41 AM (ybfXM)
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It was totally, absolutely true. Unfortunately, he used
one of these to create the memo:
Posted by: Korla Pundit at November 07, 2006 11:50 AM (FHlAi)
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I might point out that Dan Rather had a birthday last week. He turned 75 on Halloween. The instance of an elderly man, irrationally insisting on his own set of facts about a controversy that put him out to pasture shouldn't raise any eyebrows, or exite any attention. Dan Rather may not have the sense to just fade away, and let his TANG disgrace fade into a footnote of a long and biased career, but perhaps dissecting every interview he gives with every podunk reporter in a bid for continued attention is a little much too.
Posted by: Kazinski at November 07, 2006 12:16 PM (HPhbp)
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First, Rather is (was) one of the worst of the worst journalist (talking heads).
Second, the story is true. Not the bull that Rather and group invented, but the fact that little Bush got priveldged status and was not attentive to his duty. Why is it true? Because that is the way the system worked then. If you did not want to go to Nam (like 99.9% of those drafted) and wanted to stay alive, then you did whatever it took. I admire Bush and his family for what they did and only wish my family had that kind of pull. Thus, even though this looks bad 40 years later, it was the right thing to do. After all, our government was trying its best to kill us (they still are).
Posted by: David Caskey at November 07, 2006 12:25 PM (xxoPt)
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"
One thing this story does is confirm that Dan Rather needed to be removed from his job."
Shoot, the one thing this story confirmed for me is that Dan Rather is still alive. Hell, I thought he
died several years ago.
Posted by: TexasRainmaker at November 07, 2006 12:32 PM (B0VZe)
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I listened to this segment while taking my parents to the airport. (They were in town to meet their newest grandson and future Republican voter). What a sad, sad little man. And don't get the idea that WPTF was simply giving him a platform - Rick hit him pretty hard about it. I believe the comment from the next interviewee was that they would not be invited to Thanksgiving dinner at the Rather household this year. Either way, it provided a moment of levity to start out voting day because you simply HAD to laugh at the pathetic defense Dan offered up.
Posted by: Jeff C at November 07, 2006 12:34 PM (pnLPw)
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Excerpted and linked.
Why thank you, Danny Boy! How many votes did the backlash against that
story cost the dhimmis two years ago? How many Rs went out and voted who
might have stayed home otherwise? And you just couldn't resist reminding
everyone, could you? John Kerry and Dan Rather; the gifts that just keep
on giving.
Posted by: Bill Faith at November 07, 2006 12:35 PM (n7SaI)
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Time for Dan to retire to his 'Mohair' ranch. Remember that story?
Posted by: Thomas Hazlewood at November 07, 2006 12:38 PM (NzR0P)
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Delusional Dan...he never ceases to amaze. Nice work.
Posted by: Cassandra at November 07, 2006 12:41 PM (eKdAq)
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Of course the point of his story, that Bush was a lying draft dodging fortunate-son idiot, is completely true and all important details outside of the supposedly forged documents were true.
Dan may be delusional only if he thinks the Neocons didn't have something to do with his demise.
Put that in your tobacco smoking cancer causer and smoke it!
Posted by: Geoffrey Knobl at November 07, 2006 01:16 PM (T2E4o)
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Those who persist in calling GWB a draft doger need to look up his draft number. There was no way on earth he would have felt any pressure to do anything to avoid being drafted with the number he drew.
Posted by: Dan Roll at November 07, 2006 01:27 PM (jiktV)
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Fake but accurate Geoff? The memos sought to make those objective fact rather than subjective opinion. Since the memos were fake, your opinion remains subjective. I agree to disagree.
Posted by: Immolate at November 07, 2006 01:36 PM (qHyi8)
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Actually Geoffrey, your delusions don't quite square with a little thing we like to call facts.
Bush did not "dodge" the draft, and his decision to become as a F-102 pilot gave him a far more dangerous assignment. As Bill Whittle
noted yesterday (which also addresses the "idiot" charge quite well), 30% of the 875 F-102s were either lost the in accidents or enemy action. Draftees during the Vietnam-era has a far greater likehood of escaping injury or death as infantrymen than did Bush as a fighter pilot.
As for the "fortunate son" comment, Bush did not pull any strings to get into his dangerous pilot's slot, the TANG was actively recruiting for
5-6 pilots. Bush took slot number three. It's also worth mentioning that he volunteered to go to Vietnam as a fighter pilot under the Palace Alert program. Not that it matters to
you, Geoffrey.
Facts being inconvenient to your narrative, and all...
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 07, 2006 01:36 PM (g5Nba)
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Does it matter if is true or not?
THe sheep have read the new message posted and have continued the chant to force the other animals into silence.
"Kyoto Protocol Good, George Bush bad!"
Posted by: GW Crawford at November 07, 2006 01:51 PM (Ya9S+)
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How's the career going, Dan?
Posted by: What's the frequency, byatch. at November 07, 2006 01:56 PM (G/ufG)
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So, to improve their broadcasts, CBS replaces this clown with Katey Couric. I guess Rosie O'Donnell was already busy.
Posted by: What's The Frequency at November 07, 2006 01:59 PM (z62e3)
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The forgeries themselves were obvious to anyone willing to look at them, except for people who were deliberately blind like Dan Rather and the rest of the Bush-hating media.
But the media gave very little attention to the history of the "documents" that we do know. The stories of Bill Burkett, who provided them to CBS, were unbelievable. For example, why couldn't he produce the originals which he got from the mysterious Lucy Ramirez? Well, he supposedly burned them in the Kinkos parking lot. If a Bush supporter came out with a lunatic excuse like that he would have been ridiculed without end by most of the media.
Bias is one thing, but that kind of behavior is an outrage.
Posted by: Greg W at November 07, 2006 03:06 PM (nXi9q)
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David Caskey:
You really need to conduct a little more research before coming up with that's the way it was done back then.
Posted by: davod at November 07, 2006 03:16 PM (AM62A)
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Geoffrey, we all know it was the neo-cons who orchestrated Rather's "demise". You're not the only one clever enough to figure that out. But I'll bet you didn't also know about the mind rays being beamed at Rather, Kerry et al, by Karl Rove.
"What's the FREQUENCY, Kenneth?" Think about it. It all makes sense now, doesn't it?
And Kerry was doing great until he lost that magic CIA hat (lined with tinfoil, of course.) Neo-cons!
Posted by: Greg W at November 07, 2006 03:29 PM (nXi9q)
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Even if we gave Rather the benefit of the doubt, which he doesn't deserve, on the bogus material in the 60 Minutes program, can we at least question the timing? The man was trying to determine the outcome of the election of the President of the United States. It's no different from the Democrat who released Bush's 30 year old DUI arrest just days befor the 2000 election. And both times it almost worked. Thank God it didn't.
Posted by: Greg W at November 07, 2006 03:41 PM (nXi9q)
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What IS the frequency, Dan?
Posted by: Dave at November 07, 2006 03:54 PM (QK3of)
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George W. Bush's military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor's degree in history from Yale University. The aircraft that he was ultimately trained to fly was the F-102 Delta Dagger. A number of sources have claimed that Bush sought service in the National Guard to avoid being sent to Vietnam, and that the F-102 was a safe choice because it was an obsolete aircraft that would never see any real combat. The Delta Daggar was in service until 1979, single engine, top speed of Mach-1+.
Kerry would have crapped his pants to go that fast.
So much for the lie that the President dodged the draft.
But since someone brought up the President honorable service to his country, when he didn't have to join looks to me like he volunteered.
But unlike Kerry the President earned his medals, The president never threw his medals away or over any fence. And the President still has his medals, where Kerry's had to be RE-ISSUED along with his discharge, in 1979. In order for medals and badges to be re-issued, they first have to be taken away. There are two ways they are taken away, 1. a Dishonorable Discharge or 2. a Bad Conduct Discharge. Kerry's were re-issued after Jimma Carter signed the amnesty for the Vietnam draft dodgers, and Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge was recinded, hence his medals were returned.
If anyone doubts this Kerry, also enlisted in 1964 and got his final discharge in 1979 that is a hell of a long 6 year commitment.
Because of Kerry's anti-American activities the Navy did not let him get away with it but Carter the putz that he is, did.
Posted by: MarkT at November 07, 2006 04:17 PM (0Co69)
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I e-mailed a request to the radio station, via their 'contact us' line at their web site:
-----Original message-----
From: Michael.Sheehan@IEEE.org
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:06:23 -0500
To: pzachary@curtismedia.com
Subject: Feedback
Originated from: http://www.wptf.com/contactus.asp
Name: Michael Sheehan
E-mail Address: Michael.Sheehan@IEEE.org
City: Navarre, Florida
Comments:
Good morning!
I read on the Internet that your Mr. Jack Boston had an interview with Mr. Dan Rather earlier today.
If this is true, would a transcript of the interview be available? .. or possibly an 'e-file' recording?
I have to apologize for this request, in that it can certainly be fairly interpreted as be somewhat rude, and I don't know if I would be all that happy as a station manager having to respond to a lot of e-mail requests from 'out-of-towners'; but I have been following the Dan Rather 'TANG story' for several years now and am extremely interested in any public pronouncement that he makes on this subject.
Kindest regards,
Michael Sheehan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WPTF's quick reply:
Michael:
Thanks for writing, and no apology necessary. However, at the request of Rather's people, we are not making transcripts or tapes available at this time. Sorry about that. Suffice it to say, Rather stood by his reporting on George W. Bush's service in the National Guard.
Phil Zachary
EVP.COO
Curtis Media Group
Posted by: Michael Sheehan at November 07, 2006 04:46 PM (t959N)
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What's ironic about all these posts is that no one is pissed that W. skipped out in serving a war he supported. Makes it easier to send them to Iraq. Rather makes up documents about W. skipping Vietnam: W. skips Vietnam. Which is worse?
Posted by: Jon at November 07, 2006 05:22 PM (GpYJL)
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Here's a quote from the article on Dan linked by TexasRainmaker:
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I think this is one of the most important elections in the history of the country. You may have to go back to the Civil War to find one that would be of greater importance. That's just my personal opinion."
And it's a pretty stupid one (just
my personal opinion). I think all you have to do is go back one election to find an election more important than this one. The presidency was at stake, along with the entire direction of the country's foreign policy. What's at stake now? Perhaps the House, and maaaybe the Senate. But if the night doesn't go the Democrats way, it might be neither. How is that more important than 2004, when the president was re-elected? Is Dan saying putting Kerry in office would have been less consequential than putting Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House?
(Of course, what he really means is that 2004 wasn't important because he didn't get the result he wanted.)
Posted by: kcom at November 07, 2006 05:47 PM (5f6lb)
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I Rather think Dan's losing it. He's defending something that is not merely a forgery, but an utterly incompetent forgery.
-jcr
Posted by: John C. Randolph at November 07, 2006 06:50 PM (wGVnn)
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Just as his critics know that Alberto Gonzales never really meant to call the Geneva Convention as a whole "quaint," so too critics on the other side must know that Rather's central contention about Bush's service may still prove right. They also must know that Kerry, idiot that he surely is, did not mean to assert that US troops are stupid.
It would be NICE if someone told the truth now and then. Silly me.
Posted by: skip at November 07, 2006 06:58 PM (JxU2K)
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Why would the guy who used to sign off with "Courage" want to suppress the audio? Especially if he's standing by what he said?
Nevertheless, I note the update above that
CY now HAS THE AUDIO.
Blogosphere 2, Dan "Fake But Accurate" Rather 0.
Posted by: Jon Sanders at November 07, 2006 07:11 PM (OucII)
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shooting.fish.in.a.barrel.
Posted by: truthtopower at November 07, 2006 08:25 PM (0mrXc)
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Hi,
Jack Olson: WPTF stands for "We Protect The Family" -- It comes from the station's early days 75 years ago when it was founded by a local insurance firm.
Donna and Rick do fine work. I used to read Rick's editorials in the N&O before I gave up my subscription. It was one of the few redeeming features of the paper.
Posted by: victor marks at November 07, 2006 08:29 PM (aJDOy)
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davud:
My draft status was 1A-M. I don't need to do research. Just remember.
Posted by: David Caskey, MD at November 07, 2006 09:03 PM (T9FwV)
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I mean c'mon... it's not like Bush didn't fight in any wars, risking his life for the good of his country... how can you say such things about our virtuous leader?? If you unquestioningly support our Leader, you must hate our troops!
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Election Cut and Run
While some pollsters are still predicting massive Democratic gains in today's voting, Adam Nagourney of the
New York Times is sounding a
pre-emptive retreat:
For a combination of reasons — increasingly bullish prognostications by independent handicappers, galloping optimism by Democratic leaders and bloggers, and polls that promise a Democratic blowout — expectations for the party have soared into the stratosphere. Democrats are widely expected to take the House, and by a significant margin, and perhaps the Senate as well, while capturing a majority of governorships and legislatures.
These expectations may well be overheated. Polls over the weekend suggested that the contest was tightening, and some prognosticators on Monday were scaling back their predictions, if ever so slightly. (Charlie Cook, the analyst who is one of WashingtonÂ’s chief setters of expectations, said in an e-mail message on Monday that he was dropping the words "possibly more" from his House prediction of "20-35, possibly more.")
Some Democrats worry that those forecasts, accurate or not, may be setting the stage for a demoralizing election night, and one with lasting ramifications, sapping the partyÂ’s spirit and energy heading into the 2008 presidential election cycle.
"Two years ago, winning 14 seats in the House would have been a pipe dream," said Matt Bennett, a founder of Third Way, a moderate Democratic organization. Now, Mr. Bennett said, failure to win the House, even by one seat, would send Democrats diving under their beds (not to mention what it might do to all the pundits).
"It would be crushing," he said. "It would be extremely difficult."
Mr. Cook put it more succinctly. "I think you’d see a Jim Jones situation — it would be a mass suicide," he said.
Metaphorically, of course (h/t BCB).
Scott Elliott of Election Projection made an uncharacteristic disclaimer on his deadly accurate election formula that was so accurate in predicting the outcome in 2004:
For any election projection formula to be accurate, one of two conditions must be met. Either the data used in the calculations must be reasonably accurate, or the formula must correctly compensate for inaccurate data.
In Election Projection's case, I firmly believe neither condition was met this year, especially in the House. Polling data was very scarce, and the polls that were available were largely suspect in my view. Moreover, the political pundits on whom I relied heavily in my House projections see a much gloomier outlook than I believe is warranted. Combine those two factors and you have a some heavily skewed projections.
It seems like it's anybody's race to win, folks. Make sure you vote.
If you do, you could be rewarded tomorrow morning with thousands of liberal faces looking just like this one... and wouldn't that be worth it?
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Yes, I see Motha-Sheehan showed up to support Webb, thats sort of like the kiss of death from Algore, or BJ Clinton.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 08:29 AM (Eodj2)
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"would send Democrats diving under their beds (not to mention what it might do to all the pundits)."
That line alone should be enough to get people out to vote.
Posted by: Retired Navy at November 07, 2006 08:51 AM (8kQAc)
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That picture is Cindy Sheehan. That's disgusting that you are gleeful about the grief of a mother who lost a son in combat.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 10:09 AM (7yfgF)
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That's Cindy Sheehan,
really?
This is also the same Cindy Sheehan that embraces dictator Hugo Chavez, that says that we should not have deposed the Taliban and should get out of Afghanistan, that wants Israel destroyed, peddled anti-Jew conspiracy theories, lied and said that machine guns nests were being set up in New Orleans after Katrina, called America a "cancer," stated we have no constitution, hatefully stated George Bush should "send his two little party animals to die in Iraq" while refusing to acknowledge her son volunteered for the Army and his mission, says we are conducting nuclear war in Iraq (no, I'm not making any of this up), supports convicted terrorism support Lynn Stewart, said our very form of government is "morally repugnant," said "This country isn't worth dying for," and said and countless other things that proves she is absolutely, totally and irredeemably anti-American by any measure.
Cindy Sheehan hates,
hates not just George Bush, but America, as she has stated clearly and frequently. She has spit on everything her son fought and died for, dishonoring his memory.
I'm not "gleeful" about her loss, and you're an ass for suggesting that I am.
She is not the only parent to have lost a son or daughter in this war, and the majority of those parents strongly disagree with her.
I stand with them against Momma Moonbat, and everything this bitter, hateful woman now represents.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 07, 2006 10:42 AM (g5Nba)
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The expression on her face is priceless, as if she is asking, why is she so Friggin ugly.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 11:52 AM (0Co69)
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CY, I'm glad you're fit to judge how a grieving mother should feel. What you said about her is a lot of bull. You're a mean, paranoid person. You have no right to say how her son would or would not feel about his mother's actions.
How much did you put on the Repubs holding the house? It's paying more than 5 to 1. Of course, your side deserves to win. The GOP is the party of honesty, balanced budget, eschews nation building, morality.
The jig's up CY.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 12:34 PM (7yfgF)
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I hope you all are enjoying your Jimmy Carter moment. I know I am.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 12:35 PM (7yfgF)
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Earl, I (and everyone else) is fit to judge
anyone who thrusts themselves upon the public stage as has Cindy Sheehan.
What I said about her is 100% factually accurate. I can cite sources for every single word. I'm sorry if you would rather believe in your "truth" rather than the facts about her and the statements she has made in public.
As for how Casey Sheehan felt about his mission, he expressed how he felt quite concretely, first when he reenlisted knowing he had a high likliehood of being sent to Iraq, and later when he volunteered to go out on the rescue mission where he was killed.
I'm sorry if reality is intruding on your fantasy world, but that is they way things are.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at November 07, 2006 12:47 PM (g5Nba)
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Sorry, Earl, Confederate Yankee is 100% correct. Try using Google to verify that Cindy Sheehan did indeed say all of the things cited above.
Posted by: Vrfour at November 07, 2006 04:38 PM (pjusE)
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10704025/
Posted by: Vrfour at November 07, 2006 06:19 PM (pjusE)
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Scott Elliot last night: "Update(11:30pm): The House goes to the Democrats, and the crow goes in the oven. (That darn disclaimer!)"
Scott Elliot today: "I'll be well-fed on crow in the coming days, I'm sure."
Posted by: SBG at November 08, 2006 01:49 PM (UCp7v)
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Vrfour: I read your MSNBC article. Nothing jumped out at me there. Chavez is not a dictator, he was democratically elected. Sheehan being against American *empire* is a lot different from being against America. I don't believe she said the US doesn't have a constitution, that's just weird. I don't know what she thinks about Israel or Jews or those other things. I don't care all that much about what she thinks. Mostly I mourn for her loss, especially as she feels her son died in vain.
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Crazy People: Netroots Plotting Revolution if Dems Lose
Insanity,
right where you would expect it:
If they steal this again, there MUST be a response.
Our country is finished for good if Tuesday results in a Republican Majority or the absolute unthinkable, A Super Majority.
But if this occurs, even if it marks the End Of America, the ONLY response that should happen is the Beginning of the Revolution to take it back.
This MUST NOT STAND.
This CANNOT STAND.
And if we LET IT STAND, like Benjamin Franklin said, we deserve neither Freedom nor Safety.
At some point we must fight these people.
It might as well be now.
Let us hope that Tuesday will not make it necessary for us to take this country back by WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.
I think reasonable people would decode "by WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY" as referring to acts of violence, and in this context, perhaps an armed revolt.
This alone is disturbing, but perhaps not unexpected for an isolated hothead.
But here is the thing.
This post was made more than 24 hours ago, and to date, not one of the 27 responses made since this call for revolt "by any means necessary" have disagreed. One person actually agreed. The moderators of this forum, which you would think would be the people to corral such a comment, deleted another comment made later, but let this stand.
Random accusations of massive voter fraud and calls for violent revoltion if they lose are okay here.
Around the bend? Welcome home.
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Let's hope they aren't actualy willing to practice what they screech.
I think some are. Some were willing to shoot up republican camapign offices in 04'. Add a couple more years of seething to those types and I'd guess they'll do something.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2006 11:44 PM (4yfhf)
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Man, they better not pussy out this time.
I had my M4 mags all loaded and ready to rock last election and none of the whiny bastards revolted. I was all kinds of dissapointed.
Posted by: Spade at November 06, 2006 11:55 PM (pMqZr)
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Interesting that they want an armed revolt when they lose, yet they try to take away our 2nd ammendment rights when they are in control.
Posted by: david at November 07, 2006 12:12 AM (tGHYV)
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Excerpted and linked. Little boy talking tough with no idea how to back it up. When the time comes his buddies will remind him how many of
them have personal weapons and military experience, as opposed to how many of
us do and he'll run home to mama.
Posted by: Bill Faith at November 07, 2006 12:46 AM (n7SaI)
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They do and they'll get a practical demonstration of the proper and traditional meaning of militia.
Posted by: Cindi at November 07, 2006 01:24 AM (asVsU)
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I can't figure this out. What do you all thank about this video?
http://www.brainshrub.com/doctoring-mission-accomplished-video
Bechtel announced that it's pulling out of Iraq because it's too dangerous. Funny, I thought the insurgency was in it's last throes. What do you think fellas? Is the jig up or what?
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 01:27 AM (7yfgF)
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well, we'll soon see ... I checked the DU, and yes that was exactly where I expected to find the post! I did note that now, one new member, 'moderate08', with only ONE post, (likely a vrwc mole) -- did call the 'by whatever means' a bit extreme. Here's his post:
[erg -- if my URL doesn't show up, it's because I am blocked from using it as it is, with vicktory a.com, as one word, as y a . com is 'questionable content'! :-) oh well; point is the post below.
Is it really that hard to believe that the American electorate just might support the Republicans? They just might see the current democrats as far left and elitist? This is not a Democratic Party represented by Bill Clinton, it is represented by Pelosi and Kerry. And despite Kerry's best attempts at defending himself, his comments last week were offense to American troops, and only brought back memories of his Genghis Khan analogies after Vietnam. This is the person the Democrats nominated for president just two years ago! No wonder the American people seem skeptical of this party.
People have had eneough of Republican corruption, and that is a key factor in this election. However, there are serious doubts about what the Democrats will do, and that may be creeping back into the minds of independants, while Kerry's gaffe may have inspired Republicans who werent going to vote to head to the polls.
Any means necessary to take the government? Are you mad? Just because you dont get the big win you had hoped for? This is why people shy away from the Democratic Party!
Our best hope is that someone like Bill Clinton will come around again, otherwise I think this election victory will be short lived.
Posted by: Vicktorya at November 07, 2006 01:27 AM (zrt2J)
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Spade:
Does your mom know you're playing with guns down there in her basement?
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 01:30 AM (7yfgF)
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Very funny, Earl. Hi-lar-ious.
But I'm not the one who threatened to revolt, overthrow the government, break away states, run to Canada, etc. and never followed through.
Come on man! We stole your election, dude. You were supposed to, like, replace the bourgeoisie that stole the votes of the proletariat! Marches in the streets! Take the white house! Gonna hang Republithugs from trees! Blood will flow from the knives carried by giant paper mache puppets of Ghandi! Republicans will be executed or denied the right to vote for years! And so forth.
Really, you guys are all talk. I KNOW I'll never have to point a weapon at a revolting liberal because you people NEVER WILL. You'll bitch and bitch, go have an expensive latte and talk about how a)you're smarter than everybody else and b)how NEXT TIME everybody will see the light, and if they steal THAT election you'll REVOLT! Promise!
It's getting kinda lame at this point. If Lenin was as lame as you asswipes Russia would still have a Czar.
Posted by: Spade at November 07, 2006 01:46 AM (pMqZr)
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I was gonna accuse the Democrats of being childish, but having read the posts by Spade and Bill Faith...
Anyway, the party in question has a misleading name, if this is the way they think.
Posted by: Anonymous for now at November 07, 2006 02:08 AM (kRkl8)
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The sentiments expressed about reactions to "La Revolution" from the right are not hard to figure. Every private pilot daydreams about the stricken airliner and "can anyone here fly a plane?" scenario. I think every right wing nut job(like me for example), considers what they would do if faced with an armed enemy in their streets.
"You don't play D&D for all those years and not learn a thing or two about courage"
Posted by: TBinSTL at November 07, 2006 03:14 AM (MSiPb)
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Bechtel announced that it's pulling out of Iraq because it's too dangerous.
So? What were the contract terms, what were they doing, how many workers were involved?
You've told me nothing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 07, 2006 05:06 AM (4yfhf)
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That will be the day. The American left and uber left are girlie men. They just don't have it in them to actually commit violence with uncertain outcome. They are too risk adverse; unless they believe they can get away with it without punishment, they will be a lot of talk and spittle.
They may try and get some urban minorities to riot, but that does nothing except harm and disempower themselves. It does no damage to the right.
Basically, they are as powerless against the right as they are against Jihad. Just a big joke.
Posted by: horse at November 07, 2006 08:17 AM (RTARI)
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Tsk, tsk, if we get a Super republican majority, they are going to do what...Bwhahahah.. probably have another nervus breakdown, like in 04' Post election traumatic syndrone,,,
the donks will probably have a huge Cool-ade party, all these threats from the party that can't shoot straight. Not to worry though, the donks don't know which end of the gun the bullet comes out.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 08:40 AM (Eodj2)
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Spade:
Of the truly tough men I've known, not a one of them sounds like you, fetishizing your guns, "ready to rock" and so on. If you need to hold a gun to feel like a man, then you ain't.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 10:00 AM (7yfgF)
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Purple Avenger: read about it yourself. You can use "The Google" to find it.
Why did the White House edit that video? Seriously, will you answer that Purple Average? I didn't think so.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 10:04 AM (7yfgF)
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Vicktorya... you got me!
I saw this post and decided someone had to say something. The love fest was kind of sick. I mean, at least here there are some dissenting views!
Posted by: Moderate08 at November 07, 2006 10:33 AM (OqRnD)
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Oh, the whiney bastards will go vandalize some SUVs and maybe burn some public buildings if someone tips ove their collective bong. Even in the 60s and 70s when things were much crazier, "The Revolution" was and is a joke. A civil war would definitely NOT be a laughing matter.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 10:54 AM (isTfo)
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You can use "The Google" to find it.
I'm not the one making any claims.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 07, 2006 12:17 PM (4yfhf)
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If it's all the same to youse, I'll be buying ammo while the Left can buy the hated Big-Oil gasoline for their molotov cocktails.
Posted by: DirtCrashr at November 07, 2006 01:35 PM (VNM5w)
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The donks just don't get it. If they don't win they are going to put up a response. What does that mean, a hissy-fit. They have no ideas, they have no leaders, they have no platform. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they can't win.
They are all about trashing this country, supporting an enemy, in War time, they leak national secrets to the New york times, for print, they have done all they can to help out the enemy, then they have the nerve to even mention Ben Franklin.
The dorks are either too stupid or just too arrogant to see the truth, and the truth is they are traitors. Its that simple, yet they expect the American people to buy into their lies ?
Posted by: MarkT. at November 07, 2006 02:24 PM (0Co69)
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Unfortunately the American people have bought into the lies. Now we begin the Vietnam reprise, right earl? Were you around when the South Vietnamese were sold out?
Posted by: Mike H. at November 08, 2006 02:37 AM (rjroG)
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The Red Hot Chili Peppers are leading the way at this years MTV Europe music awards with four nominations...
Posted by: Deven Perrin at November 12, 2006 06:31 AM (C+z0N)
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The Rolling Stones postpone a show in the US to allow singer Sir Mick Jagger time to rest his voice...
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A Completely Unscientific Election Prediction
All across yonder 'sphere and throughout the mainstream media, pollsters, pundits, and prognosticators as making "informed" predictions of tomorrow's elections back with the best research they can muster.
Bah. Who needs them?
With so many polls seemingly at odds with one another, they seem almost worthless at making predictions. I think it is perhaps better to admit that the polls are only really decent at noting trends, and at this point, all of the major polls and many of the minor ones are trending away from a large number of pickups for Democrats in the House and Senate to a much closer barnburner finish.
Consider the historical fact that such polls tend to oversample Democrats and undersample Republicans, and I think we stand a pretty decent possibility of seeing Republicans being able to declare victory in both the House and Senate, if by narrower margins than what they currently hold.
Why?
You can't beat something with nothing.
While few American's think that the Republican dominated government is doing a great job, tehy are at least doing something. The Democrats have completely failed to come up with anything approaching a cohesive strategy or message.
Americans dislike losing, and hate surrendering.
We are not a nation of quitters. While few people agree with the current direction of the war in Iraq, we do not like to quit, and we do not like to abandon our soldiers nor our allies. Our allies in the Iraqi government don't want us to go until their country is stabilized. The overwhelming response form our soldiers is that they don't want to go until Iraq is stabilized. Leading terrorists are openly rooting for a Democratic victory, and the Democrats have built an unsteady "cut and run" coalition that their leadership has unwisely decided to run on. As Americans, we hate losing and hate quitting even more. The liberal Democratic views of Iraq are simply unpalatable to many who consider them defeatists.
Tax and Spend fears.
Democrats, this time led by Charles Rangel, have scared the American people with their promise to not extend the current Bush tax cuts and the probability that they will try to raise taxes. I don't personally know anyone who wants to pay more taxes. Do you?
Impeachment Screeching.
The can say otherwise all they want, but Thomas already has them on the record, damned with their own words. If Democrats take control of the House, we'll get two years of investigations targeting the President and Vice President for censure and impeachment. If, like Nixon or Clinton, a President clearly did something wrong in office, the American people can tolerate the mess of an impeachment, even if they don't actually like it. The Democrats, have ever, have done just enough prior to the elections so that many voters know it is on their mind, even as Democrats have failed to make a strong enough case that such investigations are anything other than sewer-level political maneuvers.
Turnover ratio.
Just like in sports, politicians can look at near-term gaffes to influence the final outcome, and most of the mistakes of the past few weeks have undoubtedly come from Democrats, from Rangel calling Vice President Cheney a "son of a bitch," to John Kerry's continuing swipe at the intelligence of the troops that never seems to end. These mistakes have overshadowed any Republican mistakes, and have stifled the Democratic momentum they seemed to have in past weeks, and may have even reversed it.
Weather Woes.
It seems that nobody ever talks about this variable (and so perhaps I'm off base), but weather would seem to have at least some effect on voter turnout, and with many races being very close, weather-suppressed turnouts could hurt some candidates and help others. According to weather.com, the Pacific Northwest is going to be wet and windy, while the South will be rained on all day, with rain hitting the Great Lakes states and parts of the Northeast in the afternoon. The west and Great Plains states appear dry and sunny all day long. My guess is that voters reliant on public transportation may stay home in foul weather, and it seems most of those public transportation voters are likely Democrats. If weather effects are enough to determine outcomes is anyone's guess, but it could be a factor.
Final Prediction.
I'll go out on a limb and predict that the Republicans hold the House by six seats and the Senate by three.
Update: Scott Elliott's much more scientific and time-tested Election Projection will be updating his final projections during the course of the evening.
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You've done a fabulous job outlining why things will be the way they'll be. I totally agree with your predictions. In fact, I've been predicting the same outcomes for quite some time on my blog, and for much the same reasons, If not so eloquently expressed.
Skoal.
Posted by: askmom at November 06, 2006 06:00 PM (tQ24e)
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Weather... that's brilliant! In fact, I think I'll enjoy a guiness in honor of your brilliance.
Posted by: david at November 06, 2006 06:32 PM (tGHYV)
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"You can't beat something with nothing."
A classic: 'How come you Dems don't have any good ideas or Iraq, huh? Huh?' You guys make a mess then crow that we don't know how to clean it up. Lovely. Meanwhile W's plan is, don't admit a mistake, let my successor sort it out.
"Tax and Spend fears."
Because spend on credit is so much sweeter. Bush has racked up as much debt as all preceding presidents. It looks like I'm the conservative now.
"Impeachment Screeching."
Clinton perjured himself about his sex life. Bush lied us into war based on WMD, and now he and you lie and pretend it was an excersize in nation building all along, even though nation building is liberal baloney. Nice twist, that.
"Weather Woes"
That's pitiful.
"Final Prediction"
Please put your money where your mouth is, tradesports.com. You stand to win big.
Posted by: Earl at November 06, 2006 07:36 PM (7yfgF)
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I'd just love to see your predictions come to fruition tomorrow. I will be doing my part here in Minnesota.
I would really just like to rub Earl's face in it. He is as obnoxious as some of those other loons and KOS Kiddie trolls who used to stop bye - before they were beaten into submission with the purity of logic and reasoned debate.
Are you familiar with the club known as Liberals Against Reasoned Debate And Sensible Solutions? It's also known as L.A.R.D.A.S.S. Have not come up with a definition for F.A.T.H.E.A.D. yet .....
Have a wonderful election day tomorrow, CY.
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 06, 2006 08:34 PM (Xw2ki)
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Well golly gee, Earl, tradesports will take your money, too.
Got Money? (TM)
Posted by: Lee at November 06, 2006 08:37 PM (zN/fx)
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Posted by: patty at November 06, 2006 08:52 PM (EJVBR)
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Earl,
I call BS. Prove what you said about more debt than all preceeding presidents. Let's have some facts. Show us. Ya can't just come in and spout BS anymore. It's too easy to back up your position if it has merit. So let's see it.
Posted by: Specter at November 06, 2006 08:56 PM (ybfXM)
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Bush has racked up more debt even accounting for inflation, than any president, ever!, we are so much worse off than we were 6 years ago.
Posted by: Jswan at November 06, 2006 11:40 PM (+Q7GB)
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Specter: see "3. The National Debt (Nominal Dollars)" here http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html. Start suckin' friend, and take it slow and enjoy yourself.
Lee: I guess you're right, tradesports will probably take my money too. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Retired Spy: "purity of logic and reasoned debate" What's cool you is that as you puff your chest out and say something you think is smart but really you sound like a moron. Just sayin.
The jig's up boys, time to pay the piper.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 12:50 AM (7yfgF)
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My guess is that voters reliant on public transportation may stay home in foul weather, and it seems most of those public transportation voters are likely Democrats.
That's because Mother Nature is racist. RACIST I SAY. I can practically hear the tribal drums resonating in the background.
Earl have you forgotten that President Clinton's main method of debt reduction was to cut military spending. That the Clinton Administration cut spending to the lowest level since the Korean War, while prices for everything increased? I guess if we follow the Dem's suggestion and abandon the Middle East we could cut the deficit even more, you know by more than the 1/2 President Bush and Co. cut it by this year, while at war.
One question though. If we cut and run in the Middle East and cut the military spending aren't the troops, should they be called into action when another warmongering Rethuglican is elected in say another 100 years, going to be scrambling for sufficient body armor and protection like they were during the first stages of the war? You know, after Clinton had raped the military budget.
But I guess this isn't a concern since most liberals feel we can gather those who would do us harm and sing campfires songs to resolve our differences. Or maybe you'd prefer to take President Clinton's approach and bury your head under a pillow and hope our enemies don't throw too much sand in the Vaseline when they stick it to us next time.
Posted by: phin at November 07, 2006 08:27 AM (H6sDR)
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I don't personally know anyone who wants to pay more taxes.
That's not the question, though. The people that don't pay any taxes but receive gov't largesse on the backs of those that do also have a vote, and they are getting closer and closer to being a majority. And those folks know exactly where the butter on their bread (and more than likely, the bread itself) comes from: higher taxes on the lazy, evil rich.
Posted by: Daveg at November 07, 2006 10:06 AM (F1thZ)
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Bush lied us into war based on WMD...
I'm no proctologist, but I'm wondering just how far you have to bury your head up your rear to still believe that. The NYTimes doesn't even agree with that anymore, or at least so they intimated last week.
Posted by: Daveg at November 07, 2006 10:08 AM (F1thZ)
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Daveg:
"Bush lied us into war based on WMD...
I'm no proctologist, but I'm wondering just how far you have to bury your head up your rear to still believe that. The NYTimes doesn't even agree with that anymore, or at least so they intimated last week."
I guess your memory isn't real good. Rumsfeld said flat out they are near Tikrit, Bush said that Iraq pursued uranium from Niger, Condi warned about the mushroom cloud. They blamed this on George Tenet, but then they gave him the Presidenatial Medal of Freedom, which is kind of odd for a huge screw up. Now they pretend that it was an excersize in nation building all along. You might be going on the fact that they found 500 old nerve gas shells, but David Kay said these are so old they are less dangerous than items under a kitchen sink.
I guess you were on a different planet than the rest of us during 2002-2003.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:46 PM (1vDHD)
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Earl,
"... Bush has racked up as much debt as all preceding presidents."
"...see "3. The National Debt (Nominal Dollars)here http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and _media/TheNationalDebt.html."
While I agree that the national debt is a serious problem, I believe that your interpretation of data and attribution of responsibility to Bush is flawed.
First, I believe it is more meaningful to use real dollars (adjusted for inflation) that is available in section 4 of your reference. Second, your reference data should be updated to current figures, noting the recent decrease in deficit as the economy has grown stronger (arguably due to the effects of administration policies and tax cuts).
Bush inherited a national debt of nearly 7 trillion dollars; since it is now at approximately 8.5 trillion dollars, it has clearly gone up significantly, but not more than accumulated during all previous administrations.
Also, 9/11 and its consequences cannot be ignored. War has virtually always driven the national debt up, quickly and significantly. Essentially, there are two combat theaters that have been opened up (Afghanistan & Iraq), both with overwhelming support from Congress (whether you agree with it or not). Congress ultimately controls the purse-strings on spending.
If you truly still believe that Bush lied in reference to WMD in Iraq, you may have highly selective memory and a closed mind on the subject, unable to objectively process all the contrary evidence available, much less appreciate the lack of logic in your belief. Do you also believe Democratic party leadership, nearly all world leaders, and an overwhelming majority of others in both public and private positions having access to the best information available at the time deliberately lied in expressing the belief that WMDs did exist and/or were a serious problem? Although our government may have been wrong, it does not necessarily follow that they lied.
Posted by: Boblt at November 07, 2006 09:40 PM (tfxBo)
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Soldiers Say Democrat War Plans "An Extreme Betrayal"
In an article published in today's
Washington Post, dozens of soldiers interviewed by
Post reporter Josh White revealed that the precipitous withdrawal favored by many top Democratic leaders would have "disastrous consequences" for the nation of Iraq, potentially plunging the nation into a
widespread civil war:
For the U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the war is alternately violent and hopeful, sometimes very hot and sometimes very cold. It is dusty and muddy, calm and chaotic, deafeningly loud and eerily quiet.
The one thing the war is not, however, is finished, dozens of soldiers across the country said in interviews. And leaving Iraq now would have devastating consequences, they said.
With a potentially historic U.S. midterm election on Tuesday and the war in Iraq a major issue at the polls, many soldiers said the United States should not abandon its effort here. Such a move, enlisted soldiers and officers said, would set Iraq on a path to civil war, give new life to the insurgency and create the possibility of a failed state after nearly four years of fighting to implant democracy.
"Take us out of that vacuum -- and it's on the edge now -- and boom, it would become a free-for-all," said Lt. Col. Mark Suich, who commands the 1st Squadron, 89th Cavalry Regiment just south of Baghdad. "It would be a raw contention for power. That would be the bloodiest piece of this war."
The soldiers declined to discuss the political jousting back home, but they expressed support for the Bush administration's approach to the war, which they described as sticking with a tumultuous situation to give Iraq a chance to stand on its own.
As I stated previously, a civil war is one possible outcome of the calamitous withdrawal apparently favored by Charles Rangel, Lynn Woolsey and other Democrats that favor forcing the military to retreat by de-funding the war, while other approaches favor by Democrats such as John Murtha's plan to "redeploy" the soldiers to Pacific island bases thousands of miles away would lead to the same bloody disaster, and possible genocide.
Blackfive has been collecting from soldiers stationed in Iraq--the ones that John Kerry still thinks aren't intelligent according to his own web site--and their opinions, while varied, support the war effort even though it is their lives on the line.
A sample from a Marine Sergeant on his second tour in Iraq:
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Whereas if we 'stay the course' -- or has it never been about stay the course? -- everything will be peaches and cream. What do you see as victory exactly? The Shiite majority wants a theocratic state. That would be cool if they snuggle up to Iran. Either way we're screwed, may as well stop watching our youth come home dead and maimed. My favorite is when you all say that we'll have victory when the Iraqis stand up and set up a stable government. What you are missing is that the three factions hate eachother more than they love the nation of Iraq. They're torturing eachother with power drills and you all wait patiently until they decide to trust eachother in a democracy.
Pat Tillman read Noam Chomsky and thought the Iraq invasion was unlawful.
The CIA just reported that Afghanistan, where we should be right now, is on the point of collapse.
Iraq had nothing to do with 911, it was Bin Laden with money from the Saudis. 11 hijackers were Saudis, remember? We needed revenge for 911, Iraq is a useless sideline.
The millitary mags all condemned Rumsfeld and our execution of the war in tandem. You can say it's because Gannet is a bunch of communists, but in your hearts you know this is bull, those magazines are the mouthpieces of the military. Everybody except you all knows that Rumsfeld is incompetent. Schwarzkopf commended Joe Galloway recently as the best military reporter, and Galloway rips the Iraq war savagely. You guys have nothing left but your stubborn pride. W thought he was done in 2003, how much more incomptent can you get? Yet you think sacrificing 3,000 lives, countless disfigurements, and 400 billion dollars is a worthwhile excersize in liberal craptrap nation building. There never was and never will be a democracy at the barrel of a gun.
Set aside the bong, fellas. The dream's over.
Posted by: Earl at November 06, 2006 01:43 PM (4BzYv)
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WASHINGTON – It makes for powerful imagery – an editorial appearing in the Army Times, the Navy Times, the Marine Times and the Air Force Times calling for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Many assume these publications are official or semi-official periodicals of the military branches, while they are actually under the same ownership as USA Today and under the management of an editor who has had his share of run-ins with the U.S. military in the past.
White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president has shrugged off an editorial by the Military Times Media Group to fire Rumsfeld. Bush feels it is merely "grandstanding," he added. The editorial says Rumsfeld has "lost credibility" with top officers.
Snow called the editorial "a caricature" and a "shabby piece of work" filled with inaccuracies. He said it implied the administration's made nothing but "rosy" predictions about Iraq. Snow said that isn't true, leading the president to "shrug it off."
Shortly after Gannett bought the papers in 1997, the media giant installed as editor Robert Hodierne. He is best known for teaming up in 1969 with then-Associated Press reporter Peter Arnett in Vietnam to bring attention to a small group of American soldiers who refused to fight.
As he tells the story himself: "During that late August battle, A.P. reporter Peter Arnett and photographer Horst Faas filed a story about five G.I.s who, for a brief time, refused to fight. A few days later I arrived at the battle to write stories and shoot photos for Pacific Stars & Stripes.
"The story and photos that follow enraged the top brass in the Army. Its chief spokesman, Col. James Campbell, calling Stripes 'the Hanoi Herald,' said my writing gave aid and comfort to the enemy, adding, 'such stories do not border on treason, they are treason.'"
The editorials were timed to come out in all four publications simultaneously today – the final Sunday before the midterm congressional elections.
Posted by: Mark at November 06, 2006 04:41 PM (Eodj2)
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That's a powerful rebuttal, Mark. Those communists at Gannet with their renegade military journals just can't stand it that we are surgin to victory in Iraq under the deft leadership of Donald Rumsfeld.
A new day is dawning Mark.
Posted by: Earl at November 06, 2006 06:58 PM (7yfgF)
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Color me confused.
How did nostalgia for the greatest act of mass treason in American history transmogrify itself into apologies for the Shi'ite fundamentalists of Iran?
We have a great deal of searching to accomplish.
Posted by: Robert L. Bell at November 06, 2006 08:46 PM (c9G43)
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The military mags??? Are you kidding me? Which ones are you talking about, Army Times, Air Force Times and so on? Please tell me you aren't talking about them! They are as blatantly biased as the MSM! It's a huge joke among military folks (of which I am one) how biased for the left they are! We get hand-me-down issues and pass them around to make fun of them...
It is grandstanding. Those mags have severe BDS issues...pun intended!
Posted by: Stephanie at November 06, 2006 10:13 PM (AdVJ/)
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Stephanie
If you notice Earls comments are always backed up by the MSM,,,That's why he never has a clue to whats really going on.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 08:56 AM (Eodj2)
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The MSM is a cabal of some of the largest coroporations in the world who want to throw of the yoke of capitalism. They are riddled with communists, socialists, Trotskyists and other vile pigstickers.
Jig's up, fellas.
Posted by: Earl at November 07, 2006 07:04 PM (1vDHD)
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Talking with the BloodHounds
Along with a handful of other bloggers, I was given a chance by U.S. Central Command to interview U.S. soldiers currently serving in Baghdad, Iraq, specifically, MPs (military police) from the 615th Military Police Company MSC: 89th MP Bde, also known as the "Bloodhounds."
I was able to interview SSG Jason Oliver and SPC Kimberly McGuiness.
Josh Manchester also interviewed SSG Oliver and SPC McGuiness in a podcast at The Adventures of Chester.
SSG Jason Oliver from Cypress, Illinois, has been in the Army 7 years, and is currently the Team Chief for a Police Transition Team in Baghdad.
Q: A recent cluster study by Johns Hopkins University researchers published in the British medical journal The Lancet states that more than 600,000 Iraqis have died since the 2003 invasion by violent means. While you cannot expect to answer for the rest of the country, does this seem to be a reasonable figure based upon your experience in Baghdad?
SSG Oliver: ItÂ’s a tough question to answer. I only see a small portion of the big picture. As a Team Chief for the Police Transition Team it is something that I see and that I report, but I donÂ’t keep count on everything, just report what I see. I do find it is hard to fathom that there have been that many Iraqis killed since 2003.
Q: Most media reports coming out of Baghdad paint a picture of a city under siege, with roving Shiite and Sunni death squads operating virtually at will, kidnapping people of the street, summarily executing them, and dumping their bodies in the street. Is this an accurate presentation of life in Baghdad?
SSG Oliver: First off, I think that siege is not the appropriate word to use. Yes it has a duel meaning, but when I think of a siege, I think back to Medieval Europe with royal courts placing rival castles under siege and cutting off all outside support, lasting from months to years. So is the city under siege, I don’t think it is. Beyond what the media portrays, there is more to this city that the so called “death squads”. You still see a continuous flow of commerce in and out of the city. I know that the locals live in fear and that many have duel identities, but this to the Iraqi people has become a sign of the times. They have learned to adapt to the ever changing political climate and try to live as normal a life as they can. I cannot count the times when my patrol has traveled through the city with the streets full of life, little street side venders selling the newest gadget in the area, bistros busy with hungry locals standing in line to grab the fresh “Falafel or Kebab” and the females musing about in search of the best cut of meat and freshest fruits and vegetables to serve the family. I read an article the other day about an increasing number of tattoo shops in the Baghdad area. In the article it stated that tattoos are forbidden in the Islamic culture, but some people feel that it is one way that, if they should be killed, they will be identified so the proper notification can be made and the family does not have to grieve more that they have to. The people adapt, they know when most bad things are going to happen, and they take precautionary steps to prevent them from being caught up in whatever may happen. As strange as it may sound, I have a lot of respect for a majority of the Iraqi people. While we are here to help control the chaos, they live in it.
Q: As a follow-up to that question, do you see any signs that the sectarian violence in Iraq may abate any time soon?
SSG Oliver: I would love to say yes, but it is up to the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people to come together and end the bloodshed.
Q: What has been your experience working with the Iraq police units you have been training? Do you find them to be reliable, motivated and properly equipped for their roles?
SSG Oliver: Good and Bad. All in all, the Iraqi Police try to perform their duties daily, but they do lack things that would make them more effective. Most of the police have minimal training and that is where our job comes into play. The Police Transition Team helps fill the gap by providing training and mentorship to the IPÂ’s to better educate them on the basic police fundamentals. They do, however, need new and better equipment. They use unarmored vehicles to conduct their patrol which puts them at an even higher risk of injury and death. The now this and can sometimes use it to their advantage, but this is not always the case. Overall, the IPÂ’s are as effective as their equipment allows them to be and if they should get the needed equipment, then the IPÂ’s could assume a better role in their respective communities and perform in a more efficient manner.
Q: Are there any anti-Iraqi forces that seem to be behind the bulk of the attacks that are occurring in your area of operations, and are U.S. and Iraqi forces "on the same page" when it comes to going after those carrying out these attacks?
SSG Oliver: It has been my experience operating in the city that allows me to say that for the most part, both U.S and Iraqi forces are on the same sheet of music. They do work together well, but the Iraqi Security Forces do have advantages that Coalition Forces do not have. We are bound by our rules and regulations were as the Iraqis have more lenient laws which allow them some better opportunities.
Q: We have a national election coming up in one week, where it seems that the Democratic Party has a very good chance of capturing the House of Representatives from Republican control. I wrote a post a week ago explaining that if Democrats win control of the House, they might cut off funding for the war. Based upon your own experience in Baghdad, what effect do you think it would have if you and other U.S. forces were summarily pulled out of Iraq?
SSG Oliver: If your child takes their first steps while holding on to your hands are you just going to let go and hope they continue on their own? No. Most people would continue to support and encourage them until they can continue on their own without support. I feel the same applies here. The Iraqi government is very young and still needs assistance from outside sources so they can develop and grow. The US government has pledged to help build Iraq into a model for the region, and if we were to pull out to early, the Iraqi Government will stumble from its already young state and possibly fall, which would put US forces back into a situation that could possible be worse. We need to stay, maintain and support the Iraqi Government until it can handle all aspects without US assistance.
Q: This is completely up to you. Please use this opportunity to tell us anything and everything you would like readers to know about your experiences in Iraq. Unlike newspaper journalists, I have virtually unlimited space, so please take as much time to tell us what you think the American people should know.
SSG Oliver: First, I want to thank everyone that supports our troops. This is by far the most important thing. Second, I wish that people back home could see everything that happens here, not just the gruesome stories of a war torn country. There is so much more to everything that the Coalition is doing in this country that goes unnoticed. Things such as seeing Soldiers interacting with the local children, giving them school supplies, toys and even sharing their candy and whatever other things the Soldiers have. I cannot remember when the press ran a story about U.S Soldiers establishing an aid station out in a community that allowed many Iraqis to receive medical attention that they would have otherwise not received. The media needs to rethink the coverage and produce a balance of both the good and bad, and maybe then the world will not think that this is a completely war ravaged country.
SPC Kimberly MCGuiness from Fletcher, North Carolina, is a .50-caliber turrent gunner on a Humvee conducting Police Transition Team duties in Baghdad.
Q: A recent cluster study by Johns Hopkins University researchers published in the British medical journal The Lancet states that more than 600,000 Iraqis have died since the 2003 invasion by violent means. While you cannot expect to answer for the rest of the country, does this seem to be a reasonable figure based upon your experience in Baghdad?
SPC McGuiness: I don't know the answer to that question due to the fact that it is outside of my job to keep track of how many violent deaths there have been. I would say that their have been many but I don't know the exact number.
Q: Most media reports coming out of Baghdad paint a picture of a city under siege, with roving Shiite and Sunni death squads operating virtually at will, kidnapping people of the street, summarily executing them, and dumping their bodies in the street. Is this an accurate presentation of life in Baghdad?
SPC McGuiness: There are always two sides to every media report. People hear about the bad things because its news worthy. In my experience, it is true that locals are fearful of being kidnapped and executed but I can't tell you for a fact that it is Shiite vs Sunni. There are violent things that happen but you can't really pin point the source of the problem.
Q: As a follow-up to that question, do you see any signs that the sectarian violence in Iraq may abate any time soon?
SPC McGuiness: I can't tell you for sure if it will let up. You have people in this country that want all Shiite governments and those that want the Sunni's in power and you have that divide between the two. If an understanding can be reached then yes but until that divide closes, it could be sometime before the healing and rebuilding can happen.
Q: What has been your experience working with the Iraq police units you have been training? Do you find them to be reliable, motivated and properly equipped for their roles?
SPC McGuiness: I feel as if they had better vehicles, better equipment and more armor on their vehicles that they could perform more efficiently. Also they don't get paid that much and for the amount of danger there is out in Baghdad, the pay doesn't seem to quite add up. They are afraid to die just like everyone else and if they were better equipped it might make them more comfortable in their job.
Q: Are there any anti-Iraqi forces that seem to be behind the bulk of the attacks that are occurring in your area of operations, and are U.S. and Iraqi forces "on the same page" when it comes to going after those carrying out these attacks?
SPC McGuiness: In my experience, the Iraqi forces and the US forces quite often are on the same page but other times there are things that hinder movement. There are things that the Iraqi forces can do that US forces cannot do and we have to handle situations differently. With the Iraqi forces, Iraq is "their turf" whereas with the U.S we still have soon guidelines and rules that must be followed. There are always going to be some anti-Iraqi forces that think what we are trying to establish is wrong and that take matters into their own hands.
Q: We have a national election coming up in one week, where it seems that the Democratic Party has a very good chance of capturing the House of Representatives from Republican control. I wrote a post a week ago explaining that if Democrats win control of the House, they might cut off funding for the war. Based upon your own experience in Baghdad, what effect do you think it would have if you and other U.S. forces were summarily pulled out of Iraq?
SPC McGuiness: In my experience, what we are doing here is working. Rome wasn't built in a day and it is going to take time. If we were to be pulled out of Iraq too soon, we will find ourselves back here down the road trying to undo what we could have fixed if we would have stayed. We are working on training the IP's how to perform their job's better and better ways to do things so they can support themselves and not be afraid to police one another.
Q: This is completely up to you. Please use this opportunity to tell us anything and everything you would like readers to know about your experiences in Iraq. Unlike newspaper journalists, I have virtually unlimited space, so please take as much time to tell us what you think the American people should know.
SPC McGuiness: People only see the bad things that happen here. You hardly ever hear about soldiers interacting with the locals and building relationships with the children. Soldiers handing out book bags and school supplies or just a small gesture of giving them candy to show them that we do care and humanize ourselves to them. The future of Iraq is in the people. Yes there are some people that resent the US being here and that will not stop until we leave but there are those that thank us for being here and that they feel safer because we patrol their streets and the crime has been lessened do to our patrols. We are making a difference.
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This is worth 50 New York Times lefty, back in New York, "I'm 60 and I remember Vietnam" stories. This is a report. The MSM gives us stories 100percent political correct. And don't say they're not pure saints or else U R jes Sum Trailer trash suk en Irqk.
Good work, and thanks to the soldiers and service men and women, their families and friends.
Paul from Florida.
Posted by: Paul from Florida at November 06, 2006 11:26 AM (g3r7a)
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Isn't it strange that the answers provided by both these soldiers are almost identical for each question, right down to using the same phraseology? Almost as if they were singing from the same hymn sheet? The one provided by their superiors so that they are "on message" at this vital time when public support for the war is draining away... and a day before the elections.
Posted by: Dan the Man at November 06, 2006 11:39 AM (VRb5p)
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Dan the Man, I don't think it's that unusual. These two work together day in and day out. They see a lot of the same stuff. It is not hard to see that they would have similar opinions on many things.
Also, the answers to the last question may seem scripted -- kind of general blanket statements that things aren't all bad and are going alright, considering. That might also seem strange, but I don't think so. In my experience, enlisted military personnel have an aversion to getting into a lot of detail about their personal circumstances with the press, be it blogger or journalist. Nobody serving wants the reputation of being a media whore. In my own interview, I tried at the end, like Bob did here, to get them to tell some stories of their own personal experiences. I think many troops are reluctant to do so for a variety of reasons.
My. $.02
Posted by: Chester at November 06, 2006 12:21 PM (EV5Kv)
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I'll be damned if I can get trackback to work to this post ... so "TRACKBACK" via this comment.
Posted by: NOTR at November 06, 2006 01:21 PM (izx0t)
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Gee imagine that they all used the same terminology. Duh could it also be known as Military Jargon,,, Naw Thats too easy eh dan.
The "D" really does mean dumbass.
Posted by: Mark at November 07, 2006 09:03 AM (Eodj2)
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Cheney Hunting For Office.
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Fox News:
U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney will spend Election Day Tuesday on his first hunting trip since he accidentally shot a companion last February while aiming at a covey of quail on a private Texas ranch.
The vice president, after working at the White House on Monday morning, will head to South Dakota to spend several days at a private hunting lodge near Pierre. Lea Anne McBride, his press secretary, said it was an annual hunting outing and said Cheney spent Election Day in 2002 at the same lodge.
You might think Cheney is attempting to get out of the limelight until the '06 election cycle is over by heading afield with his custom 28-gauge Perazzi shotgun, but it could be that he is instead laying the groundwork for his '08 Presidential campaign.
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For some reason, Reid, Dean, and Pelosi declined the invitation to join Cheney on this trip.
Posted by: SouthernRoots at November 06, 2006 01:33 PM (jHBWL)
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I think Cheney is probably hunting (with) the board of directors of Diebold.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 06, 2006 06:37 PM (UquFN)
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Cheney going off hunting is like a 100-year-old senile woman getting behind the wheel of a Cadillac. Anyone who gets in the way is probably going to end up in the hospital, or worse.
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November 05, 2006
On Day of Saddam's Sentencing, Liberals Attack Republicans
You would think that on the day a brutal murderous dictator like Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death for crimes against humanity, that everyone but Baathist dead-enders would draw at least
some satisfaction from the fact that at long last, the Butcher of Baghdad would pay for his decades of brutality, depravity, and bloodlust.
You don't know liberals very well, do you?
Blondesense's reaction was "ho-hum," after which she went on a multi-paragraph tirade blaming the United States in general and Republicans in specific. As always, we are responsible for Saddam's crimes.
Steve Clemon's at the Washington Note takes the same tack:
The Bush administration gets credit for taking down Hussein, real and in statue, but they too deserve every bit of the credit for unleashing the virulent currents of sectarian killing and convulsion in Iraq, all of the responsibility for removing the chief constraint on Iran's actions in the region, and all of the kudos for giving radical Islamism reward after reward in the region.
Saddam Hussein's head will be a prize that Shia extremists thank America for while they continue to do their best to eradicate Sunnis from Iraq.
Bush deserves all of the credit for the Hussein trial and conviction -- and all of the horrors unleashed around it.
Nice. Apparently they'd rather have Saddam still in power, because they've convinced themselves that would have saved Iraqi lives.
Uh, no (via Gateway Pundit).
Mahablog questions the timing and blames Karl Rove. It's knee-jerk, but instinctive for them at this point.
Georgia10 at Daily Kos asks, "Do the ends justify the means?" seems quite concerned that Saddam may not have gotten a fair trial, and cries yet again for us to abandon the people of Iraq, which she apparently considers a "blood-soaked path to nowhere."
It's never to late to blame America. It's never to late too run.
A "good morning to you" from the American liberal left.
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"What has happened is positively un-American."
Uh yeah.
It was, however, positively Iraqi. And isn't that the point.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 05, 2006 11:21 AM (DdRjH)
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The only sad thing about this decision is that death sentences in Irag are automatically appealed before a nine-judge panel. This means another months iof waiting at least. I wish they'd get this over with in a very public forum.
Posted by: david at November 05, 2006 11:37 AM (u952i)
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I don't know who fred is but he is a confused soul. Saddam is in Iraq and the only Americian citizen there, at his trial, was defending him.
However a sorry hack his defense attorney from the U.S. is.
The left can ho-hum all they wish. Its a great day for the victims os Saddam.
Posted by: patty at November 05, 2006 12:53 PM (EJVBR)
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Cheney thought Iraq invasion would be "classic quagmire" '91:
What do you think boys? Is it great that he can sleep at night or what?
I'd rather get OBL myself, as he was, you know, behind 9/11. Go ahead and tell me how it doesn't matter that we missed him, I love that. Saddam was a bastard, but he wasn't killing Americans.
Time to wake up from the dream, boys. The jig's up.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:53 PM (CtTiq)
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Lost my Cheney url:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-_oHxbZl9E&NR
Enjoy, fellas. I'll be looking forward to your convincing explanations about how that mattered in '91 but not 2003.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 01:54 PM (CtTiq)
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Earl:
The Democrats had years to get Osama and to deal with Saddam and they did not do either one so how about bitching at them for awhile.
Posted by: Terrye at November 05, 2006 02:17 PM (Bus0s)
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Maybe they'll hang him in front of one of those freshly painted schools!
Posted by: blogenfreude at November 05, 2006 02:30 PM (KpHF6)
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I think it's great. A leader responsible for war crimes and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, arrested by Americans, turned over to teh Iraqi authorities and condemned to death. Brilliant.
Such a useful precedent...
Posted by: Phlebas at November 05, 2006 04:14 PM (prpI0)
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What has happened is positively undemocratic and spits in the face of the rule of law.
What precisely is this notion of "the rule of law"?
I've been told, perhaps erroneously, it has nothing to do with American law.
Q: Is France under "the rule of law"? Yes or no.
Think very carefully before answering. I'll warn you upfront this is a loaded question with a subsequent trap built in should you say France is.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2006 04:35 PM (AuPsg)
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Earl, I believe the NYT's just verified a lot of information that the 'conservatives' already knew because we aren't all listening to idiots like Hanoi John Kerry. One of the fact verified by your loving paper of record was the cozy relationship between Saddam and Usama. One of the captured documents that the NYT avoided is an order from 'Saddam' in 2001 to attack American interest everywhere. Do you think it's possible he just ordered the 9-11 attacks? Usama had some money but not enough for the years of training and travel for the terrorists, that money was provided, well actually by you, through the U.N. and sucked off by Saddam in the oil for food swindle. Get you some real information through contact with an American Soldier in Iraq. Oh, that's right the democrats don't even know what an American Soldier looks like (they think a canadian uniformed soldier is an American) so there's no way you could know a real soldier. Maybe you can round up one of the phonies that have suckered the dim's again and again, they will tell you what you want to hear, and like the dim congressional candidiates you'll suck it up to.
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 05, 2006 04:54 PM (Eodj2)
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Saddam is lucky he wasn't summarily shot like many SS guards were when the extermination camps were liberated in WWII. Cries about fair trial are absurd here, he got the best one humanly possible. Now hang him.
As for Osama, soon...
Posted by: John at November 05, 2006 08:31 PM (tROri)
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Come on Fed, what's wrong?
*chirp*
*chirp* *chirp*
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 05, 2006 08:55 PM (Zih4f)
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I applaud the Iraqis for staying on the ball and keeping this trial as concise as possible. I had feared from the beginning that this would turn into a farce of a trial similar to the circus that went on for Slobodan Milošević. They even managed to overcome the constant specter of assassination and violence surround all those involved.
Posted by: Josh Reiter at November 06, 2006 12:35 AM (ckQml)
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So, back to the Kerry "joke" for the big finish?
Posted by: monkyboy at November 06, 2006 12:38 AM (unUeA)
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Fred says he knows "Saddam is guilty," ...still Fred huffs with righteous indignation. Why? Because the Iraqi court reached the same conclusion and sentenced the mass murdering butcher to death by hanging. Fred has a narcist notion that the trial won't be "fair" until Fred says it is.
I'll bet that Fred's concern for "fairness" is strictly reserved for malignant narcissistic dictators. I'll lay odds that Fred couldn't care less about false accusations & slanderous lies spewed incessantly about President Bush, his administration and our brave troops in time of war, whether by Islamic fanatics or liberal Democrats and their partners in the press.
I'm sure that Fred is fine with anything that undermines our troops and their mission in Iraq, and encourages the terrorists to hang in there and bide their time, while the American Left colludes with them against the USA and her allies. You see Fred is a liberal loonie-tune, poor soul.
Fred, I am offering to buy you a one-way ticket to Iraq. I strongly feel that you and the Baathists have a destiny to fulfill. You'll get to expound on the evils of The Patriot Act, and our NSA Wiretap program, and tell them how immoral we are to keep prisoners at GITMO. You can explain how sincerely you believe in their rights. You can even join them in their chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA," right up until the moment they saw off your silly head.
What part of "DEATH TO AMERICA" don't Democrats understand?
Posted by: Capers at November 06, 2006 01:37 AM (0Co69)
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*chirp* *chirp*
*chirp*
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2006 01:54 AM (4yfhf)
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The part that is understood, Capers, is ability, not intent. Yes, Jihadi's may shout "death to America", they may do it till they are blue in the face, but that will not make it true. The callous part of me wants to tell you that one hundredth of one percent of Americans were killed on 9/11. Not popular to look at the nuber proportionatly, but there it is.
This does not mean that we should abandon all efforts to defeat the terrorists, only the ones that fundimentally undercut the traditional American notions of libery. I'm sure the Franklin quote about the trade between liberty and security is one you've heard before'; pause to think on it now.
The suspension of habius corpus under the MCA, the supression of free speech and travel, the abuse of the notion of law - to the point that the law may as well not exist - all lose the war much more effectively than countless IED's in Iraq would be able to...
They cannot win. But we sure as hell can lose. All we have to do is cede more liberty in the name of security.
Posted by: Cato at November 06, 2006 02:31 AM (pSSJl)
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It's never to late to blame America. It's never to late too run.
It's never too late "too" mis-spell.
But more seriously, I'd like someone to explain why the conviction and sentencing of Saddam Hussein is supposed to tell us much of anything about the "rule of law" in Iraq; or the "accomplishments" of the Bush administration in this grotesquely conceived cluster-fungle of a war; or much of anything, really.
I'd also invite the host of this blog to explain the complex statistical methodology behind the "Body Count" graph he links to in this post. I'm keen to hear his explanation as to how the war has so dramatically reduced the death rates in Baghdad, for example.
Posted by: bumbles at November 06, 2006 02:34 AM (n6n5z)
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Americans don't know much about the rest of the world, ESPECIALLY 'progressive' Americans.
Fred and co - what a laugh! Next he'll say Saddam should demand his First Amendment rights (or something, sorry I don't know much about the US either).
As for American 'Conservatives', they are better informed and more modest, and God bless them for that. Go GOP!
Posted by: Aussie at November 06, 2006 05:57 AM (Gt7ap)
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Saddam was guilty, a trial in his country of his countrymen found him guilty. And he certainly had more of a "rule of law" tribunal and chance to confront his victims testimony...than he gave...
But leftists and subversives have to find the "blame America" spin wherever they can...("yeah, but the sale of wood chippers is way down")
Saddam was a black-hearted bastard, his sons were perverted, sadistic morons...and they held not A SINGLE, SOLITARY, POPULIST NOTION...so, the crowd that stands FOR nothing...has only the ability to be AGAINST their own country, their own government, their own troops and their own countrymen...finds yet another excuse to puke up their bile on the US...because...don'tcha know...it's oh, so chic...to be an 'anti'.
Arrogance without principle, hypocrisy without shame, positions without facts, criticism without reason. What fun it must be to live the life of a subversive leftist.
Posted by: cf bleachers at November 06, 2006 02:53 PM (V56h2)
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Fred? Fred? Earth to Fred...
*chirp*
*chirp* *chirp*
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Mission Accomplished: Saddam Sentenced to Death by Hanging
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Fox News:
Saddam Hussein, the iron-fisted dictator who ruled Iraq for nearly a quarter of a century, was found guilty of crimes against humanity Sunday and sentenced to death by hanging.
The so-called Butcher of Baghdad, who was president of Iraq from 1979 until he was deposed by Coalition forces in April 2003, was convicted of the 1982 killings of 148 Shiites in the city of Dujail.
The visibly shaken former leader shouted "God is great!" as Iraq's High Tribunal announced his sentence.
Saddam's half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Ibrahim, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of the former Revolutionary Court, were sentenced to join Saddam on the gallows for the Dujail killings after an unsuccessful assassination attempt during a Saddam visit to the city 35 miles north of Baghdad.
It seems fitting that an Iraqi gallows and not an American bullet will put an end to the reign of Saddam Hussein. The allied elite forces of Task Force 20 eliminated his sadistic sons, but I think that Iraqis will attain more closure by executing the Butcher of Baghdad themselves.
Fellow Pajamas Media bloggers Omar and Mohammed Fadhil report from Baghdad:
I was overwhelmed with joy and relief as I watched the criminals being read their verdicts. For the first time in our region tyrants are being punished for their crimes through a court of law.
Until this moment and while IÂ’m typing these words IÂ’m still receiving words of congratulations in emails, phone calls and text messages from friends inside and outside the country. These were our only means to share our happiness because of the curfew that limits our movement.
This is the day for SaddamÂ’s lovers to weep and I expect their shock and grieve to be huge. They had always thought their master was immortal so let them live in their disappointment while we live for our future.
This is a day not only for Iraqis but a historic day for the whole region; today new basis for dealing between rulers and peoples are found.
No one is above the law anymore.
I was particularly pleased by the way Judge Raouf Rasheed handled the session; he was reading the courtÂ’s decision and at the same time chastising members of the current government for their misbehavior and threatened to throw them in custody regardless of their ranks!
We are living a new era where thereÂ’s much hope despite the difficultiesÂ…our sacrifices have a noble cause, that is to build a new model that obviously terrifies other tyrants.
AllahPundit notes a post written by Omar Fadhil in 2003 when he spoke with a young doctor who grew up in the town where the crimes took place. I'll suggest you read it, and agree with Allah's conclusion:
Sic semper tyrannis
Thus always to tyrants.
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What's makes me angry about this story is Ramsey Clark' behavior as well. I'm glad to have read the judge spoke in english and told Clark to "Get out!" of the courtroom. If Clark had been AG under Nixon the press would have been all over it.
Posted by: David at November 05, 2006 11:30 AM (u952i)
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Mission Accomplished! I like the bravado CY! You're all like, "See? The mission IS accomplished! I'm not afraid to say it!" It's so cool because the rest of us saw Cmdr Codpiece strut around on an aircraft carrier telling everybody that he'd WON THE WAR, when actually it had just barely started. But you won't accept that. You pretend like the mission was to put Saddam on trial, as if you give a half a crap about the people of Iraq. Like I said, like the bravado!
The jig's up, CY.
Posted by: Earl at November 05, 2006 02:13 PM (CtTiq)
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This is an important step, and highly needed, for Iraq and the region. Psychologically, culturally, the Iraqis will feed a sense of accomplishment and achievement. Here at home, I can't help but to wonder whether this sentence of Hussein will impact our own elections.
It is good to see the evil pay a price on earth. I surely know no virgins await Saddam, and I hope he now is pondering his eternal fate.
Posted by: Ellen at November 05, 2006 02:50 PM (Rr901)
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Clearly, a corner has been turned.
Posted by: jpe at November 05, 2006 05:39 PM (JEnK+)
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Earl ....
Have you always been this dumb - or did you have to study to be such a flake?
Posted by: Retired Spy at November 05, 2006 07:40 PM (Xw2ki)
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Earl the perl- President Bush has said ALL along that the ongoing efforts in Iraq were going to be long and drawn out and he REPEATEDLY has stated that we should be prepared for that and to expect casualties- but nice try Cpt. CodHaddock
Christian news and commentary at: sacredscoop.com ...
Posted by: Nazareth at November 05, 2006 09:28 PM (f8md8)
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It is remarkable that Saddam has been sentenced for a crime he committed in 1982, at a time when the USA was more than eager to provide support to Saddam Hussein's regime and was complicit in some of his crimes. As usual, this fact has not even been mentioned by our amnesiac media. Donald Rumsfeld, the incarnation of this administration's moral bankruptcy, went to Baghdad shaking hands with Saddam, on December 20, 1983 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/).
At that time, Rumsfeld knew that Saddam was a dangerous dictator (contrary to 2003, when he wasn't dangerous any more). He knew about the 1982 massacre that has now been recognized as a "crime against humanity". Donald Rumsfeld knew that Saddam had ordered the use of chemical weapons against Iran in breach of the Geneva conventions (contrary to 2003, when Rumsfeld knew exactly that there were no chemical weapons). And he went to Baghdad in 1983, shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, offering him the support of the United States. That's the story that will be told in the history book.
Posted by: piglet at November 07, 2006 11:39 AM (iHabR)
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Retired Spy:
"Have you always been this dumb - or did you have to study to be such a flake?"
That may be the least original putdown in the history of mankind. You are a lightweight, and you know it. You didn't do well in school, marginal success in your career, in short a nebbish. It's written all over what you pass off as intellect. No wonder you hate the blue staters so much.
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